Yeast(Matthew 16:5-12)

𝐘𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐭(𝐌𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐰 𝟏𝟔:𝟓-𝟏𝟐)

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello, my name is Connor, and I'm Jason. And you're listening to the Amaze and Perplex Podcast. Hey, so uh before we get started, I just wanted to say that we are starting to get into the home stretch of my wife's pregnancy. Um, she will be at term um by the time this is released within a few days. Uh and so uh if you're listening to this, there's a good chance that Hannah and I are on some sort of baby watch. Could happen, you know, the day you're listening to it or a month after it's released, who knows? Uh, but if you suddenly do not see a podcast popping up in your feed for a few weeks, that is why. Um and hopefully I'll find a time to give an uh audio update. But while I had the mics out right now, I just wanted to get ahead of that and let you know.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

So uh last episode we talked about the Pharisees' encounter with Jesus, and it followed up Jesus feeding the 4,000. And so this conversation is going to be looking back on both those, and I want to hone in with this thought and ask you, Connor, just to help us kind of again look around the room and see the people. He's with his disciples. And my assumption here, and if you if you don't read the gospels a lot, it sometimes is confusing who's in the room, because sometimes disciples means the 12, uh, and other times disciples means random disciples. Like we don't, we don't know, you know, because we know that he considers at least 70, if not 500 people disciples at any given point in his ministry. So it's one of those things that uh is a little bit unknown. But we assume, since they're in a boat, there's probably 12. So these are the insiders of the insiders. And so as he's talking to them, when you think about the dynamic, and and we've uh talked about the just the whole, like, you know, in his dust kind of thinking about discipleship in that way, and yeah, you you're just you're covered in the dust of your you know, rabbi and this kind of thing. I am curious at this phase of ministry where they've been following him at this point six months, a year, um, any anything that crosses your mind as they're watching all this stuff and then observing this, where what what comes to mind when you think about where their heads at?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

You know what's interesting, my mind, and again, I don't know timeline-wise where this is, but there's a lot of this, like a lot of what Jesus will say, we'll talk about today, reminds me a lot of what we were just covering in John, where he's having these back and forth with people that can almost get there and not get there, not completely get there, um, in terms of who Jesus is and what his identity is. And so it is really interesting to think about you know being a disciple of Jesus here. Um, and you would think here's here's where my mind has is I don't know where I got this picture, this idea, but if I hear you say I'm I am a I'm a I'm a disciple of Jesus, my assumption if I hear you say you're a disciple of Jesus, then I am going to have a list of things that I assume that means that you adhere to, believe, understand, get. And I will believe that thing for a variety of reasons, church history, uh, my own experience, what my, you know, what I mean when I say I'm a follower of Jesus. Um, and so I think it's just really interesting to think about the ongoing process of being a disciple. Um, that's because for them, they are not uh further along in the discipleship process. Like if some of the things that the disciples that Jesus covers with the disciples, his disciples, we would consider to be a fail failure uh if the people we are attempting to disciple don't have that by the time that they are uh committed to trying to follow Jesus. And so I think it's it's it's I think it's really helpful for me to constantly put that in front of myself of reminding um both in terms of gee's relationship to the disciples and God's relationship to us, um, that Jesus didn't come alongside the disciples and expect um expect Peter to suddenly have the faithfulness and the understanding and the depth that he has when he goes on to write his letters, however many years later. Um, and so that's something I think is really helpful. I don't know if that necessarily answers your question, but that's just where my mind went.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Yeah. And I do want to commend you, I thought of that question one second before it came out of my mouth, and we've not talked about that at all, which is pretty typical par for the course. But I just I thought that was a super solid answer. It reminds me, I I worked with the Adventures Admissions program, and we trained students for eight months, and then ideally they're ready to go off and work with missionaries. One of the biggest challenges, I I did that for about six years. Um, one of the biggest challenges is for the new uh assistant, the the staff person that would come on, that would spend tons of time, these guys spend an enormous amount of time with the students. If they were part of the first year, their second year, they almost always struggled with the students. And I started to hear them say, I remember the first time this this happened to me, they were like, man, these guys, man, they're really struggling. And and I was like, wait a minute, what do you think we're doing here? Like it was challenging. And then it hit me, you're comparing these students at the beginning phase with the students you just love so much last year, after eight months of intentional 24-7 attention to growth in Christ, yeah, and that comparison. And then it it occurred to me, I do this to me all the time. Oh, shouldn't I know better? Oh, wait, I should be doing better. And then I do it to other people. And so I think that's a tremendous setup on both angles, and you establish this, but as we're reading through this, I am watching for because it's it's I think a lot of people say, What is Jesus, what does God expect of me in this situation? Well, here's a picture. I think we can do this with most stories, but this one is really on point. Uh it's almost like it's a pop quiz. Where are you at in your growth in Christ? And yet, how does Christ respond? And uh so these questions, but then also as the teacher, because you will find yourself, I'm sure many of our listeners find themselves in that teacher role where they're entrusted and they're like, hey, I want to I want to share this. And we we've man, our first episode, I listened to it recently, you know, whatever, five years ago. And um we were talking about that dynamic. What do you expect as a teacher when you're addressing a group, especially if you repetitively get to teach them? And what's your standard of success for them? Like, how much should they know, and how much should their behavior change, and specifically how quickly? And so those are things on my mind as we read this.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Absolutely. I think I think it's in it's incredibly helpful, and also as we as we read through it, tracking tracking through the reminder that Jesus is not teaching to an amorphous crowd of nameless, shapeless faces that change out every single week. He's talking to people he knows that he is in intimate relationship with, and so there's more challenge here than maybe kind of how I set it up originally. Um, but challenge, I think, oftentimes has to come uh challenge to people who are discipling or people who are walking alongside with us as a followers, challenge best comes from the place of intimacy as opposed to um, you know, lecture.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Right. Uh I love that point. I could give you twenty minutes right now on that point, but I'll read uh for the sake of our listeners. Uh so I'm in Matthew 16, verse five. When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. Be careful, Jesus said to them. Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and the Sadducees. They discussed this among themselves and said, It's because we didn't bring any bread. Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? Do you still not understand? Don't you remember the five loaves for the five thousand and how many basketfuls you gathered? Or the seven loaves for the four thousand and how many basketfuls you gathered? How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread? Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. I just want to own I tried not to laugh out loud when I read verse twelve, and I feel very proud of that I didn't. Uh but for you, uh, as you experience this encounter, what amazes you about this?

SPEAKER_00 8:32

So this is one of those ones where I I'm gonna take a dangerous step uh on a limb, uh, which I can because there's no consequences. We have no rules, no rules, uh, and there's no consequences to me if I'm really wrong here beyond the fact that I have to answer to an almighty and all just God one day. So, you know, besides the norm. Um now I'm bracing myself. My understanding of of what's like a at what what people back then thought of yeast. And obviously, yeast is not the little crystals that we're we are accustomed to where we put it into our bread and we wait a few hours. It's the process of sour, you know, back in the pandemic, you get really into making sourdough, you have to have a starter, um, and you feed that starter, and and this is what you know, this is how they made bread. Um, they let that those natural uh yeast, the ferment, um, be what rip you know caused the bread to rise. And so I'm sure everybody knew that, but just in case you didn't know. No, no, to be clear, you lost me at sourdough. Yeah, there's there's not a little individual packet, little uh packets of aluminum or whatever, whatever they use to make sure that water doesn't get on our modern day yeast. But when I think about so my understanding is that they, you know, obviously didn't know about microorganisms yet. Um, and I don't know if they knew that the the yeast was alive, like they didn't know necessarily the yeast was alive, but I know that yeast is alive. Um, and I know that uh sourdough starter or however it would be, um, that that's alive. Those are microorganisms that that move and and and change things all around them. And so with the benefit of both our modern perspective and our understanding of the microbiology of what's happening in when we make bread with um sourdough starter, I'm just really amazed and compelled by um by the like adding a little bit more to this story of like the yeast of the Pharisees. Like, yeah, it's something you can throw in, but it's actually also like alive. It's a force. Um, it's not just something that is an ingredient, it's actually something alive and moving and shaping and different um depending on uh you know individual circumstances in terms of um, you know, what exact bacteria is getting into the bread, what exact bacteria uh is is forming because of the different climate conditions of where the bread is is fermenting. And so what amazes me is I'm just now thinking about this, um, like it's easy to think of of the the yeast of the Pharisees for me as this um they have completely wrong doctrine and you throw in you throw in their understanding into your makeup it's gonna cause all sorts of problems. Um and I think that's I think that's true, but I I also think there's a sense in which like we don't think of we don't think of the forces arrayed against God, against Jesus, as um as active and alive and as um and as agents, as as um actual things that has impact on uh our world. And so this is for me, it's just a it's a helpful um a clearer picture, I guess, maybe a a refining picture for me, um, in terms of how I should be viewing the yeast of the Pharisees in in my own life, um, and then also how I how I think about yeah, I think it's just it's a really helpful and clarifying image uh for me, a little with a little bit more modern perspective today.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

I I have always appreciated, uh, or for a long time at least appreciated your respect for me and your sense that I have a pretty good knowledge base. Uh that was almost all new information for me. You would be alarmed at how little I know about any of that. So that was really like for me, now I've got like three pathways. One is just the dynamic of, oh wow. So when I believe something false, that's that's not just a fact, you know. Oh, I now possess a f fake fact or a false fact. I now there's something active about that thought. You know what I mean? And I I wouldn't say I didn't know it, but I was raised hearing all the time, for example, on the positive side, the word of God is living and active, but I'm like, but yeah, we've already settled it. Like there was no sense of, okay, Jason is born, and now God's going to provide new thinking through him. The whole emphasis was on we'll teach Jason what our forefathers taught us, and then Jason will do it exactly like we did, like grandpa did, like whoever we respect did, and then it will perpetuate not just the belief in God, but specifically, here's how we interpreted this scripture, which if you're not into the world of interpreting scripture, that's called hermeneutic, but but you just need to know you all you have a hermeneutic. You have a way of interpreting all of life, and you apply that to the Bible minus so your common way of doing life is how you do the Bible, minus specific tools that were given to you, or plus specific tools that were given to you. And that shapes how you think about scripture. Um, and that's why if you have new behavior at your church, hey, we're going to do it differently this time, people often erupt, but if you don't have your own sense of how you interpret the Bible, you're stuck because all you know is here's what I was taught, you know? Well, here Jesus comes along, and I think they probably were more likely to perceive the world. The disciples were much more likely to perceive the world. Well, the Pharisees told us A, and this is B. But he's saying, he again, everybody's playing checkers, he's playing chess. He's like, look, there is some truth in that that false teaching, that fact, can negatively affect you the way you do it. But he's also saying, and I think this is like it, it's the exact opposite of the word of God is living and active. It's also this other stuff is living and active too. You know, and that opens up a whole new door to me, just of that dynamic of him saying, Look, guys, and then and then we think about the qualities of yeast, um, you know, and the growing fact, which only is augmented and amplified by what you're saying. But that idea of saying, be careful about this, and this is a pretty serious warning, not simply by what he said, but these are the guys that were to be trusted. They were taught from their youngest memories, you trust the Pharisees, these are the and the Sadducees, Sadducees and the teachers of the law, these are the guys that carry the truth because most of these guys didn't have access to scrolls and things of this nature. They had to trust these speakers. So this is a serious warning, and I'll just throw that in. That's what amazes me is this is a seismic shift if they can listen. You know, and your point just deepens that dramatically is like, look, this isn't just a neutral fact. You're either rejecting this and you're stopping that growth, or you're casually or at or actively accepting this and it is causing damage, which is just such a it's such a simple concept, but that that whole sourdough, that's a whole new world for me.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

You know, I think we should obviously endeavor to give as much grace as possible in as many circumstances as possible. But I, you know, there's been this uh there there has been a common um there's been this reality that I feel like it's kind of tapered down in the past couple years of of the deconstruction movement. Um that was, you know, I feel like really it is heyday, four or five years, and who knows, maybe we'll zoom out 30 years and be like, no, you were smack dab in the middle of it or whatever. Right. But uh the language seems to kind of have have slowed down. Um and I think this is one of those things where like it for so many people when they think about questioning uh fundamental realities of who God is or what we say he says about himself or what the Bible says, um we should have man just the most care in the world for everybody questioning and wondering through those things. Um because like the disciples here, this is not just like these are not like you said, they're not the bad guys, you know, they're not the foil of the story um that we read them as. You know, they're they were to be trusted. They were to be people that ex- I mean, if I can't trust what the Pharisees have to say about what God is gonna do, then like, you know, obviously, okay, I'm following this cheese guy and he's got a idea, but does he does he have it all? Does he have it all, you know, worked out and figured out? And so, man, for me, I it just makes me want to give as much as much grace as possible to anybody actively asking these questions and and working through them, um, and also just encourage encourage anybody that if you have experience in your life wondering, man, I I my small town, you know, not to besmirch small town preachers, but my small town really conservative preacher, man, I think he added some things to the word of God that I just I don't know are there. And like, how can I, you know, where do I turn to? How do I trust who is ultimate authority here? And you know, where are the guardrails? Um, like these are the questions disciples would have been asking, you know, because like it Jesus is taking off the guardrails in a major way. And now again, he has he's pointing them, you know, towards himself, the ultimate, you know, path, the ultimate, you know, destination and the one who's gonna walk along the path with us. Um, but we are always searching for guardrails, especially when it comes to God. Um, and the idea that, like, oh, okay, my religious betters have set up a path for me, and all I've got to do is just follow that. I've got to plug in my life, plug in my life into the equation that my my religious betters have um formulated for me, and then that will mean that God is happy with me. I will have success, I will have fulfillment, whatever it may be. Um, and I want to honor the fact that the scandalous news that Jesus comes to bring that like this is not, that's not what this is, that it's actually a relationship. It's not an equation. It is a windy path that goes here and there and everywhere. Um, that is a complete unmooring from how the disciples would have perceived what a good religious life would be. And if we're being honest, I think that is if we can really appreciate it and actually live it out, it also is actually an untethering for us too.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

I think I think that is really, really true. I can see myself in both these positions. Uh I I know that even right now, there are parts of my life I'm like, man, I'm I'm the disciple here. I'm like, oh, so we're not supposed to do X. And then, yeah, well, I'll just jump right in this way. This is a perplexing piece to me. And it's like a lot of this uh with with Jesus, it it really speaks to the if I was right next to Jesus, if God were right here, then suddenly my life would be clear. Where are you, God? You know, even us asking that, where are you? There's kind of this backhanded sense that, well, if you were right here, then this would all clear up and it would all be better. And I I continue to make the appeal, uh, because I feel like we haven't talked about this in a bit, that that is a lie. Like having Jesus right next to you, and and I'm like, he's already right next to you. But but having Jesus right next to you, having God right next to you would not clarify things. I I think it would clarify that, oh, he's in control. That's what it clarified. But you can have that clarified right now. Guess what? He's in control. Whatever you're going through, it doesn't feel like he's in control, you would do it differently. I get it, I get it. But he's either has all authority or he doesn't. So I just need you to know, everybody listen to this, no matter what's going on for you, he's in control. And him physically being by you doesn't make you necessarily feel much better. And specifically, and this is the perplexion for me, it doesn't make it much clearer. Because when he says, How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread, there's an expectation there. He expected, when he said, Hey, be on guard against these the Pharisees and the Sadducees, they would get it. So there's an expectation there because often I feel like Jesus must not have had expectations. Because when I have expectations, like if I say, Hey, Jesus loves you, and you're like, if I say, Hey, Jesus loves you and you're like, so Jesus is okay with me, I will not let that stand. I mean, I won't be mean to you, but I'm like, he is okay with you, but even more than that, he loves you. Like, like I would feel negligent if you're like, so Jesus doesn't hate me. And I'm like, that's true, but you gotta understand he loves you. So the irony here is number one, I'm going to the next story, and and it's a travel when Jesus came. So verse when Jesus came to the region, so they're traveling. There's no response out loud. So so the disciples don't say to him, even, oh, we get it now. And maybe their body language said it, but in terms of what's recorded here by Matthew, he doesn't, unless he's reading their minds, he doesn't know. He just knows there was silent. You know what I mean? But even their conclusion is a step in the right direction, and still, what? That's what you got? Oh, he wasn't talking about physical yeast that the Pharisees make in their house, I suppose. I mean, it really, I mean, the fact that this is their big breakthrough is like to me, any Christian that's been at all associated with Christ, much less a person that's walked with him for months, if not year, and he says, Hey, be aware of the yeast. They would not immediately think, man, those guys are making some bad bread. That'll make you sick. But this is their breakthrough thought. They literally, even after this, are like, oh, we shouldn't eat their bread. It's bad for us. They're like, oh, that's not what he meant at all. He was talking about their teaching. And I mean, maybe I've just spent too much time with Jesus versus them. Maybe I wait. And I do. I have more access to Jesus, ironically, than they did in terms of at least receiving all these gospels and the aftermath of it that they didn't know at this point. But it is perplexing. Like I have people come to me and they say, I'm now I'm calculating who might listen to this recording, but I had somebody come to me. I had said something offhand and they came to me. Like I wasn't even doing we have class at the worship. So I'm preaching a sermon. I say something offhand, an illustration of an illustration. I mean, it was just such a throwaway line. And then all of a sudden, this person comes to the class I'm going to be in and says, I just want you to know you said that phrase, and I love that. I can't remember what it was, that band or that cliche or that whatever. And I'm like, nothing to do with what I was talking about. I mean, seriously, it wasn't even a good illustration. It was just a throwaway line. And I'm I'm like, and I mean, they were so happy. And I'm like, oh, okay. And then I'm like, shouldn't I say, like, isn't Christ expecting me to say to them, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, did you get the real point? And and I'm like, oh, in that moment at least, I was a lot like Jesus because he was like, Are you still so dull? I didn't mean physically. And they're like, he didn't mean physically. The end. And I'm like, okay, is that good discipling? I'll go ahead and accept it.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Yeah, no, I that is that is incredibly hard and complex. Because there are other times where Jesus does things in a different way when in a similar sort of situation. And you would want in this scenario more depth from the disciples, right? Like to think to Jesus has this like almost active rebuke. You would want the you'd want the disciples to have you want to hear some reflection and some processing through and you know even diving deeper into what it means. There's a lot of reasons I think this could be the case. One of my favorite pet theories, which I'll I always use my, you know, we'll take an opportunity to use to entertain one of my favorite pet theories is I I think God, and obviously by extension Jesus, I think he's radically committed to growth. And growth in the way that is sustainable, that is good, that is healthy. Um and most growth that is sustainable, that is good and is healthy is slow as crap. Um most good growth that can be sustained over a lifetime, over a generation, over millennia happens incrementally and happens painstakingly slow. I've talked about it before, but the story of Abraham and Isaac. I'm I've always been fascinated by the story of Abraham and Isaac. And so, listener, if you've been listening all along, you've probably heard this, but I know we've picked up some new listeners here and there, so I'll just repeat it. When Abraham goes to sacrifice his son, he doesn't ask God, well, God, how do I sacrifice my son? He he has an idea of what this looks like. He has an idea of what it looks like to perform a ritualistic human sacrifice. Um, he doesn't like if God came to me and was like, Connor sacrificed your child, I'd be like, God, how do I, I don't even what, what? Like, how do I even do that? Like, it doesn't make any sense. Right. Um, and so there's a lot I could say about that story. But one of the things I've become really compelled compelled by is, you know, obviously God stays Abraham's hand and saves his son and says, you know, hey, we're not doing that. And so where did Abraham come from? He came from Ur. He came from uh a Mesopotamian city where we do know historically now we have evidence of human sacrifices back then. And so I think one of the things that's happening in that story is that for all the time the God of Israel is answering the question, yeah, hey, guess what? We don't sacrifice people anymore. I'm not an angry, vengeful God that requires a human sacrifice to um to be appeased for for rain to fall upon you. That's not what this is. And it's like for me, if God is so patient that he's willing to start off with his, you know, with the with Father Abraham and say, hey, listen, no human sacrifice. Like that, that should be an assumption. Like we we assume, like, yeah, nobody, there's not a person in the West right now that has to be like, well, human sacrifice. We we don't have to talk that it talked them in. Yeah, that's not on the table as an option. It's not an option, even for people who don't believe. Um, and yet at one point it was, and by God's grace, it's slowly been taken off the table. And so one of the things I often wonder with these stories, and I have to become okay, like from for you, I'm like, it's great, you know, fantastic. Slow growth is is fantastic. Oh, Jason got a tiny little piece. He he filled in the 10,000 puzzle piece thing and he got the corner right there, and I'm so excited for him. That's so good. But like for me, that sucks, and I hate it because it just takes forever. And yet, God is scandalously okay with the slow formation into who we are as individuals, who as churches, um, who the nation of Israel, like who um what he wants this world to be, he is okay with it taking a lot more time than I would be. Um, and so that's just a reality that I have to grapple with all the time, both in my personal life and when I look out at the church.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yeah, to maintain sanity in ministry, I I've adhered to, and I don't know if I came up with this or somebody else did, but to church culture change, and that includes the church that you are, takes about seven years to arrive at one year of growth, of actual growth. I think it takes seven years to say, man, I've had good growth here. And I call that the reverse doll gears effect. I that it's like I've been at a church for 22 years, and I feel like we've had three years of fundamental culture change, and I love it. I just love it. Uh, and yet there are other things I'd like to change, and I know other people want to change, and I'm like, okay, let's just put it on the time frame. Now, if it happens in two years or five years, that's great. But if you're like, no, it's reverse dog years, I'm gonna start working on this, and in seven years, I will I, or not what I will accomplish, but what will be accomplished is typically what I thought would be accomplished in one year of good growth, you know. And and understand, there's nothing scientific about that or even necessarily biblical about it, but it but my lived experience is like, man, that gives me peace in the waiting, because I have to have something to not drive me crazy, is why is this not changing? Why am I not changing? You know, why is my influence not more helpful or more powerful or whatever? And yet when I look back, I'm like, oh, God did that in his own time, and it just gives me sanity. So I'd encourage all leaders, find your mechanism to protect your sanity of why aren't you growing or why isn't this changing faster?

SPEAKER_00 28:39

We all, most of us, I will say, I I've had the experience, I know Jason has the experience of attempting to lose weight, uh, sometimes successfully, sometimes not. Um I'm crying quietly in the background. And we know how silly it is to eat one salad and then go weigh ourselves right afterwards and look in the mirror and be astounded that six packs have not miraculously formed. And yet that temptation is always there. And I think we are constantly doing that in our spiritual lives, with our church, with people we love. You know, we get we want so much for that positive movement, that growth, that first time we eat a salad and we're in a calorie deficit, and then we immediately go, Well, I don't see the physical, where are the physical results? Like, where's the six-pack? Why can't you run a five-minute mile? What's what's happening here? Um, and like most of us can kind of come to the place with food where it's like, oh, that's ridiculous. Of course, of course, one salad is not going to give you a six-pack abs. Uh, but um, I think I think this is one of those things where uh we it it'll be it'd be helpful for us to remember that, not just with ourselves, um, but especially with the church and with others. Um and also, man, feel the grace of of God looking at us that way. Um, because like as somebody who's now trying to teach his daughter to read, um it can be it can be frustrating sometimes. Uh and yet just the other day my daughter read her first four-letter word, like that wasn't a sight word, and it was, man, it was like so exciting. It felt fantastic and and great. Um, and I was not like, okay, now let's go read Crime and Punishment, or can you, you know, you what do you mean you can't, you know, get through Leviticus? Like, what's going on here? Um, I was completely able to celebrate the the growth that she had, and I think God's the same way. Um and even if at times we need to be chastised a little bit because we get stuck, um, because we are being a little dull. Um, I I still think there, I still think there's a celebration at the end.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

I I totally agree. And and I think a lot of this has to do with perspective. You know, if if you suddenly went to the last day of your life and were observing that and what you'd learn, I'm sure there'll be some disappointment. Oh, I was hoping to X, Y, Z. But I think you'd also be really surprised, again, if you're able to see through God's eyes, oh, look at look at all that God accomplished through me. If you seriously take your disciples, if you take your discipleship seriously and want to be a learner and want to depend on him and trust him for everything, no matter how many times you fall, no matter how many times you lose track of him in the busyness of life, I think you'd be amazed. And and that's the trust and the hope he's calling me to. Um, and the and honestly, it's that funny thing, Jesus still 100% man at this point, uh, as well as his deity. And it's like, how much did Jesus have to pray to God and be like, Are we okay? Like, is this going well? I don't know that. I do know when he had hard questions he asked them. And so I would imagine this is one that he I'm not suggesting he had to bite his tongue, but I think it's a weird way to leave this. Guys, uh do you still understand this? And then it's like complete silence. They get out of the boat, they go to another place, and on to the next adventure. And I'm gonna go ahead and assume that he knew we'll get to what we need to get to, and I'm like, okay, or God will get to what he needs to get to. Then I can trust that too.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Yeah, man, that's good. I will leave we'll leave this with my simple perplexion, and I won't we won't even elaborate on it any further. Um, but it is very much in line with what you were just talking about. I I am I am perplexed um by the language Jesus uses to warn against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Be careful and be on your guard. Um that language is not the language I would expect, um, especially after the interaction that Jesus just had. Um it's not the sort of it Jesus does not communicate this with the fierceness that I would assume. Uh, and so I am just mildly perplexed by that. Jason, do you have anything about that? Or I concur. You concur. Okay, we are perplexed. Uh, grace, peace, and love.