Get Behind Me Satan(Mark 8:31-33)

𝐆𝐞𝐭 𝐁𝐞𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐝 𝐌𝐞 𝐒𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧(𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐤 𝟖:𝟑𝟏-𝟑𝟑)

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello, my name is Connor, and I'm Jason. And you're listening to the Amaze and Perplex Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

We want to welcome you back. I will give Connor a moment to share some news. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Yeah. No, no. I mean, I I assume most people who listened to the last episode would probably pick up that uh my wife did give birth to her son, Amos. Doing doing great. Uh we I kind of hoped and thought that like my capacity for jumping back on and recording uh sooner would uh well that I would have had the capacity to do it, but that has not been the case, and that's okay. And I know, listener, you give me great, great uh grace for that, and I appreciate it in advance. Uh my son was born on Christmas Eve, which for those of you who have deep knowledge of these of my families and our workings, my son's birthday is the 24th, Jesus is the 25th, and then my daughter's is the 26th. And so Christmas. Uh it's a time, it's it's it's already a time for us, and it will be uh it'll be quite quite the time. So if anybody has a birthday around Christmas and has any tips or tricks for not going absolutely insane, we'd appreciate it. But once again, son's doing great. He's born 714, he's uh officially four weeks old now, and he's up above nine pounds, even close, close to ten. Um about the same weight. Yeah, he's packing it on. He's he's he's packing it on um and doing healthy, and so is Hannah. And so very thankful uh for that and excited to be back recording.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Yeah, well, me too. Well, it's always always good to spend time with you, and there's something uniquely interesting about doing it this way. Uh we are going to jump in to the text in Mark chapter 8, and uh man, so much contextualizing since we last met. Um I I think uh most pressing in most contexts, this text is preceded by Peter saying you are the Messiah, which I think is significant and a good good way to contextualize what we're about to read, because what we're about to read is the strongest rebuke. In many people's eyes, this is one of the strongest rebukes that Jesus ever issues to anyone. And so, with that in mind, I I think it is important to recognize that Jesus just said, Man, you know, this was given to you by God. And so um he's about to turn the corner because he's he just said, Hey, do people here's who do people say I am? I'm the Messiah, and then he's about to put it into a context that would not it would not be perceived to be messianic. This should not be the way it goes. And I think Peter has a probably pretty re reasonable response, but what would you say to maybe set this table?

SPEAKER_00 2:52

Yeah, no, I think I think that's I think that covers it pretty well. And that's something we've talked about over and over again. Um, that when Peter says uh you are the Messiah, uh, and Jesus accepts that title um that Peter bestows upon them, uh Peter and Jesus are not speaking necessarily of the exact same things. At least they don't have the same things in mind. Um and so it's one of those important is it's one of those important things that as uh Peter as they go further and as Jesus begins to explain it, you'll begin to realize the distinctions and the differences um between what Jesus means when he says I am the Messiah and what Peter uh thinks it means when he says Jesus is the Messiah. And I think it's just a good reminder for us all um that we like the words that that that Peter says are good and they're beautiful and and right, um, but a lot of times all we want is people to have the exact right words, and Peter in this moment has the exact right words, and as we're gonna see, that doesn't necessarily uh lead um lead us that that alone does not lead us to where we need to be.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

That's really, really good. Okay, so I am going to begin. I'll read beginning in verse 31, Mark chapter eight. He then began to teach them, Jesus then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. Get behind me, Satan, he said, you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns. All right. So, as you consider that, what amazes you about this interaction?

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Have you ever had the experience of listening to someone else give a sermon and they say something that you're like, that's not right. And then you in your mind you start crafting, okay, if I go talk to this person and I like what exactly would I say? How do I did they mean it that way? Let me how do I frame my kind of not re not rebuke of them? Maybe not we don't view it as a rebuke in the way that maybe Peter rebukes, tries to rebuke Jesus here. Um but yeah, like thinking through that, okay, how am I gonna like somebody's somebody's actively preaching and I'm like, oh, I need to say something. Have you ever had that feeling? Absolutely. I'm gonna guess if you're listening to a Jesus podcast right now. At some point you've heard a sermon and you're like, in your mind, you're thinking, I'm gonna send an email, I'm gonna send a text, I'm gonna get with that person. Right. By the grace of God, 99.9% of times I've ever thought that I haven't actually done that after the fact. Yes. Um that's what I was gonna add. Yes, yeah. No, I I think it's it's a good practice. Uh I think it's it's okay, maybe necessarily an occasion to think that in your mind, uh, but to actually carry that out all the time. Uh, don't be that person, that's exhausting. But in my mind, I can't uh help but imagine Jesus is uh is is revealing these new truths about what being the Messiah means. And I just imagine Peter, and again, I I can't know this for sure, but I just imagine Peter as he's saying these things, the contradicting ideas in his head of what a messiah is, or like well, once Jesus finishes, I need to pull him aside. I need to get I need to get coffee with Jesus and really kind of set Jesus straight here. Um and like that feeling is so it it's amazing to me because like man, I had that feeling so often where I'm like somebody something is happening in the world in my walk with other people, and I'm just in my mind, I start to begin to tune them out as I begin to think about how do I correct them, how do I um get them to go along with what I already know to be truth or what I already know to be the path that needs to be walked down. And I think what amazes me about this interaction um is like it is a harsh rebuke. It is there's so many things about this passage that we could draw out. And yet I'm just I'm struck by just how how much I see myself and Peter in this moment. Like Peter is so distracted by his um I I think Peter's distracted by the inner voice in his head um of what his deep desires are and what his belief for what the God of Israel is going to do for him and for his people uh that he truly can't hear Jesus. And it's like man, that's me every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

I yeah. I I think the thing that I think the thing that amazes me uh is the that Peter is stepping up to rescue Jesus based on his perception of who the Messiah should be, or you know, even in the more simple thought of who he thinks his friend is and what he thinks his friend deserves, you know. But the fact it's in the context of of the Messiah, I think I think Peter is thinking, I just said you're important, and now you're saying things about people that happen to bad people and unimportant people. So I need to remind you off here.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

The important people are gonna be the ones doing the bad thing.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

So exactly right. Yeah, it's it's it's all backwards. And I have wondered, you know, in watching The Chosen and in other productions of Life of Jesus, it is a really peculiar relationship. It's a very hard thing to present Jesus' relationship with the apostles and it not look very peculiar because it is. On one hand, he's the authority. Uh they he impresses them so much from the beginning on he knows stuff, he knows all the stuff. And then quickly they're like, and he's got all the power. But bless his heart. He misunderstands so much about living that we will correct him in. And a lot of times when they correct him or when they try to steer him, he doesn't um, yeah, he does, he doesn't, he's not harsh, John and James, like, hey, we want to be in the you know, right, right and left, and he's like, Can you drink the cup? And they're like, Yeah, we can. And I'm like, the correct answer for him to say is you don't even know what I'm talking about. Like, you cannot do it, you have no idea. But instead he goes, Well, you will, but I'm not gonna bother with this conversation. And I'm like, no, establish order, Jesus. You know, say that was wrong. And so here is Peter, I think, really in his heart. I'm gonna rescue him. I even respect the way he did it. He pulled him to the side, you know, and and not all the versions say, not all the gospels say this. I don't know that Matthew and and and Luke doesn't share this, but I don't know if Matthew shares this or not. But it but it is the whole idea of he's trying to be respectful, he's trying to move into a shepherding kind of role, uh, you know, and and this kind of dynamic, and I don't know, that whole part, it's amazing to me. Peter's amazing me. I'm like, hey, he's doing something right. And it's like, he's doing something so wrong. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

So very wrong. We think about like when you have a moment where like God used you or spoke through you, or like there was something like, man, God used you powerfully, and that was great or fantastic. And the feeling for me when that happens is there's so much great temptation afterwards to then be like, oh man, if God used me that way, then I I have X, Y, Z to offer, I've got this or that, and like to really blow up my um my own abilities or my own perception or my own uh theology or way of of viewing the world. And I think it it it is that this is just like this is me to a T. Like we always talk about how we think, like, oh man, if you know, if if we if we were the disciples and we could follow Jesus and hear him, we wouldn't be such a big dummy. We wouldn't get we would hear him when he says these things and then they completely just don't get it. We would actually, we would take it all in, but it's like, man, how often how often like have I like wanted to go to God to hear something from him and been in my mind been like, okay, I'm ready for God to teach me something, I'm ready for God to uh like reveal something to me, and then uh I get distracted by my own uh my my own voice and then suddenly I lost out on hearing from God. And it's like I that that's what seems to happen with the disciples over and over again. There are some times where Jesus says like there they're Jesus is hiding some truths, usually not, usually it's from the crowds, not from the disciples, but there is like a uh some slow, like not a slow revelation from Jesus to the disciples, but there is a gradual um revelation. He doesn't just unload on them immediately all that they need to know. And and yet, um I like this is just for me, it's it's a it's a really hopeful picture of what true discipleship looks like in knowing that walking with Jesus, um walking with Jesus, there are times where he's gonna rebuke me for the fact that like I have got so distracted by what's going on in my own head that I've tuned him out. But then other times he's just gonna he he's gonna give me grace and other times he's gonna be okay with it. And I I I for me that that that is just it's really hopeful because it's like I see myself so often in Peter, especially right now. Um, and to know that like, okay, there are times where God has rebuked me and he's gonna he's gonna tell, say, you know, give me pretty harsh critique here. But then other times he's like, Yeah, you'll you'll drink the cup, Connor. You'll you'll get it. And that that picture is so much more holistic than that like author. Jesus, you need to lay down the law. Like you need to you need to establish patterns and you need well uh oh you need a well-ordered uh org chart to to get all this this uh this stuff, this riffraff figured out before um before the big show happens. Um and for me that's just it it's it's good news for me.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

I yeah, I think it is very good news. You know, we don't have this in Mark, but if you go to Matthew, when Jesus asks the question, who do you think is the Messiah, in the section before what we're focusing on, and Peter, or who do you say I am, and Peter says you're Messiah, that's where Jesus says, uh, on this rock of you're Peter, and uh, you know, I gave you this name, but on the confound of the part of the confession, but he also says, which I think is in it's a fascinating parallel to what he says about Satan, he's like, You didn't get that from man, you got it from God. And now he's saying, You didn't get this from God, you got this from the devil, you know, and and it's like if to your point, if if Jesus himself told me what you just said was so good, it was God. Like you spoke for God there, and how empowered that would make you. I'm I'm not even figuring in sin. I'm just like, it'd make you feel fantastic. Like I I always wanted to speak for God. And then Jesus is like, and here's this ludicrous notion that that the humans are going to kill God, and I'm making it plain to you. And Peter's like, and I don't know what his this will never happen to you, is what it says, Matthew, but it's like, I don't know how his tone of voice was, it was sharp, maybe he's very disrespectful. But the truth is, even if he was super respectful, he was still wrong. Because it's not the tone that Jesus is critiquing. He's saying that message is not of God, it's of the devil. Now, I I do want to say, I don't think he's saying to him, You're the devil. He's certainly not rejecting him because after this, there's lots of life that go on the Mount of Transfiguration. Peter sees things that the other apostles, many of the other apostles do not see. Um, and so he's not mad at Peter here, but he does, he he feels the need to be very clear. So that that just it's all fascinating to me. So what what perplexes you?

SPEAKER_00 13:59

Yeah, no, I I think this is it it's a this is the confounding mystery of being human. He says, Jesus says, you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns. Um the fact that I have both the capacity in me to speak to speak like you said, for God, with the voice of God, like to speak uh the truth given to me by God in one moment, and then to have to have hell come out of my mouth. That I've I've read many, many philosophical treaties, treat I've read many philosophical uh takes and heard many arguments for for the both the duality and the duplicity of man, and yet when can when confronted back to back by it, it's just it's so staggering. And I see it in my own life. Like I I know there are times where like I have done things like that was so of God, and it was so beautiful and so great, and then an hour later I did something that was like wicked. And it's like in my in my mind, like I when I experience it, it feels it feels so discompopulating. It feels um it feels ridiculous. Like the fact that in this in the same day you can do something and be something so godly, um so fully live in to the picture of who Jesus wants me to be, and then and then just a moment later so radically fail um and drag hell back into the picture, i it it'll it'll always be perplexing to me that our capacity for it and the fact that that God is just okay with it sometimes. Um if every good thing I did you received as like a it was good it was good for you, it was good to you, and I feel it, and every bad thing I did was a direct attack and a and and a um engrieved you in the way that it actually should if you understood the full capacity of those actions. Um like I being in a relationship with me, I feel like would just be so so hard. So again, God's capacity for his love for us is is mesmerizing for me, but yet just our capacity for duplicity is is is always astounding to me. Taken any context, it's not hard for me to believe that Peter could be so in tune with God. And it's also not hard for me to believe he could be so in tune with Satan. But like for me in my mind, how I want it to work is I want it to be months after the fact, or I want it to be even a day separated. I want I want some sleep in between it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Um and or or Peter wouldn't watch TV for an hour and came back and said You want it to be like, oh okay, I know why.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

It's because Peter was like, he's playing one of those new video games, he was doing that, you know, he's he was uh doing an ungodly but you know, whatever it is. And so yeah, that's just what's hitting me right now.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

Now, what about you? What processes? Well, I certainly share that, what you just said. I'll I'll just add to it. If you if you clear your mind and you try to go to a place where you know nothing of Jesus, and you're you're you're in town, and he's been teaching some people, and now he's pulled them aside, and for whatever reason, you're you're privy to this conversation. And he starts saying that as not a so what are we gonna do? Guys, this is happening. What are we gonna do? And I remember when they tell Paul in Acts, they tell Paul, hey, uh, you know, he gets his prophecy, bad things gonna happen to you, and they're like, Don't leave, don't go, you know, and they're like and it even says the Holy Spirit has told us to tell you not to go, and he's like, Well, the Holy Spirit's told me to go, so there we go, you know. But it's I I don't want to get to a point ever in my reading of scripture to think, well, that makes sense. Yeah, of course he's gonna get killed, of course he's gonna be abused on the cross, of course the injust society and the mechanisms of that society and how they enforce things in in the legal world, of course it's gonna be just awful. It's it's not, of course. It we, when this happens to us on any level, it drives us insane. When we experience whatever injustice is not all created the same, even if you have the same things happen because of how you relate to it, if you can see yourself, if it reminds you of somebody you know, if if it touches on an issue that's really important. I mean, this is why watching news is troubling, because you're constantly being presented with, and honestly, media in general, and this is not some attack on new social media. I'm talking all media, it's just it's more available now, but it's these are things that you work hard not to see. And you watch the news, and here's like, and here's a hundred of them. You know, you just check the headlines, and here's here's so many that I didn't even think about fearing, but now I do, you know. And so, like, if you didn't have any access other than the life you're living, walking around, if there's no media, no screens, you would still have plenty of injustice, but you would define your life to some degree of how much you avoided it, you know, and how much you saw around the corner and said, Oh, if I'm gonna get hurt, then I'm not gonna do this. And so I I do find it perplexing, even knowing, you know, that Jesus needed to die for me. He and and it planned, been planned since before the foundation of the world, even knowing that, it's still I never want to get to a point where I'm like, Well, of course he's gonna do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Well, you you imagine uh another scenario where Peter pulls Jesus aside and goes, Jesus, how do we how do we help you not be brutalized? How do we not let you be crushed by by the religious leader? How do we allow you to not be trampled by this injust system? How do we avoid this injustice? And you could imagine a scenario where Jesus goes, Oh, okay, you know, my son, here here's Do you not remember me telling you the first shall be last, last shall be first, that you need to take up your cross? And you could imagine a teaching moment there. And I and I think that if Peter had gone to Jesus, and if if Peter's only concern was for his friend, was only for his mentor, was only for his rabbi, and had donned him as Rabbi, how do we how do we stop stop this from happening to you? I love you so much. Where G's response probably in that scenario would not have been, get behind me, Satan. Yeah. Um but there is a sense here in which Jesus to Peter, um, because Peter has made this declaration of Messiah, he's it it it's almost like he's lost sight of his of his friend or lost sight of his of his rabbi as a as a person. Right. And so like this is, you know, we talk about the dynamic all the time of not, you know, who saw Jesus' divinity and and and and humanness or whatever. This is almost one of those scenarios where it's like, I don't know if Peter knows fully what uh that Jesus is saying he is also God when he's saying the mess he's a Messiah at this point. Um, but also Jesus Peter is suddenly so mesmerized by Jesus that he I he also loses the sight of him as a living, breathing person in front of him. Yeah and like this is where I think like with injustice, it's like, yeah, I think I think you could Jesus somebody could hear Jesus say this and be like, that's wrong, Jesus. Like we need to make sure that doesn't happen. And like I don't think Jesus would be have rebuke for them or have um or have anger for them. And that that's where that's where like my mind goes to when we think about injustice is like what what what sparks that? Like what what sparks that feeling and what does it cause us to do, right? Does it cause us um does our injustice uh does our sense of injustice spark in us a deep empathy for the for the trodden upon, or does it primarily inspire uh uh hatred for um the inflictors of that injustice? And so that like again, that doesn't that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this right now, but that's where my own personal line comes from, especially when you talk about like media and stuff like that, where it's like it's so easy to see all the injustice in the world, whether it's um whether it's illness, whether it's political, whether it's whatever, whatever it is. Um and uh to get caught up in the in my own anger as opposed to the brokenhearted for the reality of the people experiencing the injustice.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's funny I've I'm a NFL watcher and uh CJ Stroud, Houston Texans quarterback, you know, he's he's and as a lot of college and football, uh college and professional football players have been much more overt about their faith in God and start off things in a in a in a kind of remarkable way. What was really impressive was CJ Stroud had a terrible game. He I'm not saying he lost it for his team, but but basically through four interceptions is a bad deal. And in the interview that he's required to do, you know, based on his contract, he starts with the same thing. I still praise God, and I still do this, and that's like the thing. And I'm like, that that's a tiny piece of because again, all injustice isn't the same, and he did some of that, you know, he created his own pain to some degree, you know. And I'm not his critic or anything on a football, that's not what it's for. But it's still this is what you didn't want to happen, you know. And his the attitude, I always ask myself this question, well, like marrying Martha, where Jesus is like, hey, Martha, Martha, I don't think she he would have said that to her if she said, Hey, I need some help in the kitchen. But it's that she tries to take control or in the boat where Jesus is sleeping, like, you don't care about us because you're sleeping, instead of saying, Hey, we need some help here. I think by the same token, it's like if Jesus would have said, Hey, or if Peter would have said, Hey, I'm so confused. Like, I've heard of stories of Messiah my whole life. This is not what's supposed to happen. Can you help me understand?

SPEAKER_00 23:42

And and you're my f and and I love you, and I and I and I don't want you to suffer, you know.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Right, exactly right. And and so this is such a weird thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

I'm like, no, no, no, my Messiah, my king of Israel, it that you're mistaken, Jesus. Right.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

And this is what takes this is why he cuts off Malchus's ear and the garden. This is you know, he he's still this is a mindset that I get, and to some degree, I respect when I see somebody step up and say, I will give my life for you, even if I don't think it's a good idea. I'm like, I respect your passion, your courage, your loyalty, your commitment. And I think that's really interesting. I do think it's interesting in Mark's gospel, and it doesn't say this in Matthew's, it says uh in verse 33, so Peter rebukes him, but when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. Now that does not mean he's saying, Hey, disciples, look at me. I just why do they mention this? It's a just this curious phrase that you could have easily just cut that off and just say, and Jesus rebuked Peter. Why they include that he looks at the disciples is is it saying he's projecting his voice so they can hear? And I want you all to get this. Is it that he's like many feels tenderness for all of them, but only because we don't know pull aside, is that a foot aside to the next room? Can they hear? You know, this kind of thing. But it is a curious thing that they throw in there.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yeah, as we wrap up, I also have a perplexion just simply reading it. The fact that he says that he's going to rise again after three days, and that's not like a uh hey, what is like for me, I think if I was hearing things like okay, well, the Pharisees have been kind of antagonistic towards my guy here, so I could see them being not happy. Well, you know, he did say the thing about suffering, so okay, that could happen, and still have ideas about like what uh what I think his new what like still fitting that all into my preconceived notions of what the Messiah would be here, but then suddenly be like, oh, he's gonna be killed and then rise again in three days. And and like you would think that would just stop people in your tracks. Like, if I was listening to a preacher that I wanted to critique after and they made some wild claim like that, I would like that would eventually make me like like that would be such a shock to the system that I would be like, whatever I was really concerned about before, like I've got to dive in deeper to what this is right now.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah, and this doesn't seem to make a dent in Peter's perception of things, you know, because I would think you'd bring that up, which makes me think he just hears, hey, these people that we've already established aren't the good guys, are gonna take all the power and they're gonna kill me, and everything else is white noise. But you're right, too, like to Peter, he's like, No, I just gotta stop that from happening because you would think if it registered in any way that it's like, and I'm gonna be raised. Now they have not experienced Lazarus yet at this point, but I'm like, I would at least been curious.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Yeah, you know, in in a similar vein, I've had the experience of listening to a preacher or a speaker um say something early on that I was like, oof, man, that you know, that feels wrong. And and again, I don't think I've I think I've sent I think I've sent one text message in my life being like, hey, there's this other resource I was reading about this other thing that you a possible other interpretation. Love you, you know, uh love your whole sermon. Just this one part you might consider reading a little bit on. Like I think that's the extent I think I've done that one time in my life. So uh I have a critical spirit and I fight it every single day to every time I listen to somebody to not be overly critical, and yet in my mind I'm always thinking about it. I have had experiences where somebody said something that I thought was like radically wrong, and I've thought about man, somebody needs to say some of that person. Um, and then thinking about and like at the next day, but okay, you know, I'm gonna re-listen to what they said and make sure I heard what I heard, listen to the whole sermon and realize in my uh fear of what they had gotten wrong before, they had come back around towards the end of the sermon and actually clarified or cleaned up or um revealed something about you know what they said that actually what they said was right and what I felt was wrong. Um and so this is one of those things where like it is so easy to get distracted and to get pulled, um, to get pulled aside to think that like Satan might be really happy for me to pay like again, I'm not I'm not raising up the sermon as as as the be-all end-all for how God is gonna teach us, but if you have a great sermon this Sunday, Jason, and I Satan could want me to listen to the first half of it because there's something that like is really gonna pull at me and make me angry or frustrated or have fear. Um, and he might be perfectly okay with that, knowing that you might clean it up, you might make it better at the end, you might provide great hope. But he knows that if I can get him distracted that first time around for that first half, then uh he might not even be open to hearing from God after that.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

I I'll tell you an extreme, in my mind, an extreme version of this or application of this is I started a class and on purpose I said a a statement that I I experienced growing up that they said, This is it. You know what I mean? So I made the statement, I had the statement written on the board, and my next thing was, is that true? Well, we want to look at that, you know? And so go through the class, and my whole class was like, It's not true. It's not true. Like, there's some truth to it. There's a verse that says something similar to this, but that's not in context, that's not what that verse is saying, you know. So I get home, maybe it's later that night, and somebody puts on Facebook, I cannot believe what was said in my church today. I thought I was going to a different church, and that person ended up leaving the church. Now, several people in the Facebook responses were like, I was in that class, that that's not what was said. And the response was, Well, it's what I heard. You know, so then I met with this person before they left the church, and I'm like, hey, I just want to understand this. And the person gave me all the reasons why it bothered them, and I was like, I agree with you. Like, that's not what I said. Well, no, you did say it, and I'm like, okay. I'm like, how do you perceive conversation in general? Like, do you pick out one verse of people or one sentence when anybody talks to you and say that will now define the truth? Or do you take it? Was like this more extreme version, and yeah, it's fine. Like they've they've not come back, and I'm like, okay, you know, but it is it's one of those examples that can you hear? And this is the good news about Peter and about Jesus. Uh now I don't I don't think Jesus overreacted, but I'm grateful for Peter to take the correction so they can experience the transfiguration, so they can experience life in Christ, and you know, all these things. And then I so now I'm asking, what happens when I'm the one that gets rebuked? But my intentions were good.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

And I think I'm doing right, and I want to protect myself for other people, this kind of thing. So so it's nice to get on as many sides of this conversation and see myself in it.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

For sure. And to know in those moments where it's like you feel you feel ambushed, you feel bamboozled, like it's like like yeah, I imagine Jesus probably also felt that a little bit too. Yeah. I think this is one of those scenarios where it one of those things that helps us realize like why is praying without ceasing ceasing so important? Why is meditating on the law day and night so important? It's because like God is not God is not interested in like pithy one-liners to give us, like, he's not wanting to speak to us uh, you know, one ver with one verse. I mean, he I'm sure he does it occasionally, but like God wants to be in continual conversation with us. God doesn't want to just have sound bites for us, he wants to have a conversation with us. Um, and this is one of those important reminders for me that when I encounter things from God that I don't feel like are fair or feel unjust or feel like he should have done things differently, or man, I don't like that truth that I'm seeing in the Bible. Um, that those things are not happening in a vacuum. You know, there's a grand story at play. Um, and just like how when somebody is judging me from a moment, I want them to see the grand story of my life. Um, man, so much more the case for God because ultimately, like I can be blamed for a lot of stuff, um, but I'm not the God of the universe, I'm not omnipresent. Um, and the trust for me comes that um in in the grand scheme of all these things, that that it is it is coming back for good. He is he is gonna work it out for good. Um, and I need to keep listening, and I need to um have ears to hear, not just not just for five minutes, but ears to hear for a lifetime. Grace, peace, and love.