I can't really control what's going to happen in the future what decisions have been made in the past. But I try to look at this moment and just be like, what can I do now? Yeah, I'm glad you said the word control because I think a lot of it is that we're trying to control something that's uncontrollable, but we can control ourselves and what we do, and how we proactively move forward. When's the last time man has beat a volcano or a hurricane? Like,
Jaclyn Steele:right?
Unknown:There's forces in nature's that it's just like, it doesn't matter what man does.
Jaclyn Steele:Hi. I am Jaclyn Steele. And welcome to self discovery. Howard Thurman so beautifully wrote, don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive, coming alive. That, my friends, is what self discovery is all about. You aware that math today on self discovery, I am really, really excited about this episode, because I have two nurses on I have Adrian mahone. And I have Isaac Benjamin, and they have been frontline workers for the last 18 months. I mean, you will you've been nurses a lot longer than that. But before I get going and just take over the show with how excited I am, if you would both introduce yourselves, and then share a little bit about what you've been doing over the last 18 months.
Unknown:Let me go ahead and Adrian ladies first Yes. Thank you. So I'm Adrian and I have been working with COVID patient since March of well really since February of 2020. Um, and that is in a step down setting in critical care setting. And currently travel nursing. And before that, just worked regular ICU and stuff down. And then since then really it's just been COVID COVID galore. You didn't have to you I have been nursing for 13 years. One thing I like about nursing is when I kind of get tired of the department or the people I work with you can just kind of change floors and do a new thing. So recently my hospital opened up a float pool and there for a while I was going to three different hospitals at the beginning of the pandemic. I started in March of 2020 at a little rural hospital down in Greensboro, Georgia and um you know kind of like she said like you know, March was when they started announcement but in January we had this Hispanic guy that was diagnosed with the flu we didn't even have COVID testing yet but it's like he stayed at our hospital for weeks and not to get super sick he just couldn't get off oxygen and just because of his situation he couldn't afford oxygen so we basically had to keep him at the hospital until we got off oxygen and you know even at that time I was joking with the doctor like I think he's got Corona light on me like that but you know it was you know, just trying to make light of it but you know, they're like oh no, no, it's just a bad case of flu and I'm like, I never seen flu do this to a 50 year old man. And you know he didn't get super sick he just couldn't get off oxygen and that was kind of the beginning and then since then I'm kind of like Adrian I've just basically been pooled to wherever the highest COVID numbers were. And I did that for about a year that it was called tier three float pool where I went to all three hospitals but then just had actually had an accident myself hit my head, spin the night in the neurocritical care with a sub duro or subarachnoid hemorrhage so at that point it was like I'm gonna step back and you know just stay in Athens and pretty much been you know hanging out in Athens since so I did find it needs surgery but it's kind of a wake up call like I was gonna run in myself you know burning ragged candle and driving you know an hour to we're working 1213 hours driving home doing it oh my god day. And you know, just dealing with COVID patients was hard so luckily I think everything happens for a reason. So it was able to come back and anesthesiologist other day called me a nurse ninja because you just never know where I'll show up. Like, what are you buying here? So I've kind of just you know, been doing it for a while have experienced all over. I really like the hospital I work at so I've had experience all over and just kind of go wherever they need me.
Jaclyn Steele:Yeah. Are you still working with COVID patients then?
Unknown:Yes, yes. Um, and it kind of comes in waves the last two weeks. I don't know if I don't think I've been losing it at work, but they've been putting me on non COVID you know, and they just kind of rotate the flute pool nurses around at our hospital where it's like okay, let's give him a mental break. Cuz recently I've had some pretty just not bad cases, but emotional cases where I took care of a co worker and things like that. So Oh, wow, doing great, everything's fine. But you know, it just kind of broke my brain for a few weeks after Yeah. Yeah, something like that,
Jaclyn Steele:understandably, understandably. So, if you guys could both just touch on what your experience has been like caring for COVID patients, you know, I'm sure at the beginning of the pandemic, when there were so many unknowns, it was really scary and terrifying. And now 18 months in, you know, what, what is it like?
Unknown:So, um, I had actually the very first COVID positive patient in my hospital,
Jaclyn Steele:I remember that I remember, yeah,
Unknown:you are such a badass. Well, as a time, I just remember putting on like, my astronauts suit getting ready to go into the room. And I mean, I was shaking in my boots, I was mortified. Because I had no idea. all you hear is just things on the news, and like how horribly deadly it is. And I was like, Well, here, I am the sacrificial lamb. You know, because everybody else that was my coworker at the time, he had kids, and they were older. And I just, you know, I felt like I was healthy and good to just kind of start seeing COVID patients, so I was the only nurse on the floor for at least a couple of weeks until it really vamped up. That was seeing the COVID patient, so that was scary at the time. I ended up getting COVID, twice, last summer. And I think since then, I've been pretty resilient to it, I'd like to think but it's it's an it's, and I'm sure Isaac will agree with me, it's a lot of different emotions, it's, you're combating the fear that is in the media, you're combating the fear that is fed to us by these hospital or like the organizations and the, like pharmaceuticals. And there's just so much information all at once from 500 different places, yet, all the same. It's like, you do have those patients that maybe are unhealthy and have made poor lifestyle choices, and then you have the heartbreaking cases. And then you have the people that you know, we've dealt with so much death in the last year and a half. So it's just like, so many mixed emotions, so much unknown, so much information coming from 500 places at once. So it's very exhausting. But you know, it, it's everybody's kind of going through the same thing as far as nurses. Like it's just the professions crazy right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny that you talk about emotions, because when I was taking care of the co worker, you know, I actually had more emotions once she was able to give me a thumbs up still on ventilator. And, you know, I was spending the whole day crying in the unit just couldn't even help myself. And the chaplain came in and checked on me and I don't have much of a filter. So when he asked me how I was doing, I was like, I don't know, I just hadn't experienced this many emotions all at once since I tried LSD in college, like, learn it out, like, but seriously, like, just go through, like ups and downs. And, you know, I feel almost blessed and honored to be where I am because I feel like I'm closer to truth. And you know, so many people like because like she said, I mean, the information changes daily. You know, I read something funny that fast, he actually got uninvited to his board game night, because he keeps changing the rules in the middle of the game, you know, like, I just thought that was a funny little sad thing, but it's just, you know, I actually I try to look at it as like an honor. And I've been doing this a while, and it's kind of renewed my spirit for like, I'm gonna beat beat this shit, I'm gonna help this person get better. I'm all sacrifice myself. You know, so this person has a chance at life. And that's a good thing, too, is the sacrifice. There's so much you're having to sacrifice. Like bodily functions. Like we, we don't go to the bathroom for like, hours at a time just because, in a way, like it's just that leap. And it's, I mean, it's some of it's pretty, it can be traumatic, you know, seeing the things that we've seen and it just, it's a frustrating sort of dynamic. Oh, I
Jaclyn Steele:mean, I can't imagine and I'm so glad that you guys are both speaking on this because this is exactly why I want to The two of you on not only do I know you both personally and feel you're both extremely trustworthy, but you have frontline experience, you are not somebody hypothesizing about this, you're not somebody studying it in a laboratory, you are actively caring for people with this virus, which leads me to my
Unknown:time, you know, with it just being you can manipulate data points, science, you know, all this different stuff. But you can't take away what I've seen. Sorry to interrupt, but no,
Jaclyn Steele:no, I'm so glad that you added that. And, you know, as a side note, in the self discovery podcast, I speak on fear a lot, because I feel like fear has just overcome our country. And it's kind of made us illogical, and our approach to so many things. And so for you guys to be speaking on your direct experience, I appreciate it so much, because I encourage people regularly to go back to the facts like what are you seeing on the ground? What are you experiencing in your everyday life? And does that need to increase your amount of fear or decrease your amount of fear? So I want to talk to you guys about some of the things that you found really effective in preventing, combating and treating COVID you know, their vitamins, activities, what can people be doing to prep themselves for having the best immune system possible? And then where are they to get it? Are there any recommendations that you have to decrease the longevity of the virus? Like what are you seeing that's effective.
Unknown:So in general, just as a whole, I haven't seen much of anything to be effective, especially like current pharmaceuticals. And you know, I'm not going to say I am licensed to give any advice or anything like that this isn't like any sort of, to swing anyone, one way or the other when it comes to medical decisions. The best part is it is your decision. However, I mean, there's been things like remdesivir rocephin, we give, you know, biotic and then an antiviral. But, I mean, as far as seeing like, an abundant difference with what we're treating them with, I can't say I do. The things we do treat, we put them on their stomach to try to break up some of the stuff in the junk in their lungs, we try to prevent the furthering of the pneumonia getting worse. But in general, there is no cure or there is no like treatment. However, I will say most of these patients, diabetic kidney disease, things that can be originally prevented unless you were a very small percentage in which you have some sort of genetic issue, disease, things like that. So ultimately, preventative preventative medicine be healthy. Sleep, get sunlight, drink water, eat healthy you know watch we're exposed to toxins every day. decrease your toxin exposure, vitamin D, zinc, vitamin C you've heard that I'm sure and just being proactive really about your health and in general not even just against the virus but because that's what makes you have a vibrant life. Mm hmm that's really my take on
Jaclyn Steele:strengthening the immune system
Unknown:I agree 100% that I haven't seen a magic bullet you know and I will say that it's hard to call it a vaccine for me because it's not a weakened or dead virus you know, is something totally different I wish they would have a better label than vaccine. But I do see that the vaccine does decrease the symptoms and the people that take it for you know, the most part so you know, I'm not an anti vaxxer or pro Vax or risk versus benefit and you should do when you feel like it's best for yourself. But going off that me myself, you can see my tonic water in the background. I've had a regimen since the beginning of this you know, we didn't have a vaccine as frontline workers for a long time when this was coming around and I just saw a video I've always done zinc, vitamin C, vitamin D kind of regimen. I had Lyme disease years ago and it seemed like anytime I get a little cold virus I had to have like a two or three week spell of just being so sick. Oh my gosh. And as I was getting over Lyme disease I came across Cody's If I can get you know some royalties from them or whatever, like I would seriously I would, I would advertise Cody's because it's just a zinc cough drop it coats the lining of your mouth and all my colds always seem to stay in my head I really don't ever get chest colds so I'm like that Zune cough drop and added the tonic water vitamin C, vitamin D i mean and I've never had COVID as far as I know like they've never you know and for frontline workers is a don't ask don't tell you know if Yeah, if you don't have a fever then at our hospital they usually don't test you like you pretty much have to patch that threshold because they need us to work and I mean for me I get it like I'm fine with that I want to keep working. But yeah, I've made it through this whole pandemic I've hooked people on air vo where they're getting 50 liters of oxygen and shot up their nose and if they need a hug I hug them like yeah, I really and you know going back to fear and I don't know, I might be a little naive but like, I try to breathe bring in a vibrational frequency that so high the COVID don't want to come inside me
Jaclyn Steele:rise up because that's what I've been saying to myself since the beginning of the pandemic I've actively been saying I am not a good host for COVID it is not welcome in my body and I am so grateful I have not had it um and we had a little scare last week and both my husband and I got tested because he was having some like congestion and he was like i think i think i finally got it and we got tested and both of us came back negative he just had an allergic he's having allergies but I'm
Unknown:in the zinc cough drop is I mean this is clinically proven I've been doing this since pre COVID but it's like it decreases like it stops viruses from being able to multiply so it basically kind of cuts it off in the past and allows your body to take over and you know like that's what ultimately wins no medicine ever wins medicines help your body yeah body when like in the Yeah, right. You're like it's your immune system that makes it work so
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Unknown:I think just in general, being very mindful of your gut health period is just a good approach. You know, I mean, there's so many things out there what is good versus bad, and it's different for everybody, but I'm to add to what you said previously. You know, they don't tell us about these foundational aspects of what it what it means to be healthy. And, you know, I like the thing of vibing higher like, yeah, with, like what Isaac said just because, you know, when you're just like clean and pure, that stuff can't really penetrate that sounds crazy. I don't know what I'm talking
Jaclyn Steele:about. I believe it it's just not a good
Unknown:match. Exactly. But all those things that are foundational and root they can't profit on. Yeah, you know, and it is beyond frustrating for sure. Because it's like, can't Why aren't they pushing things like exercise and, you know, teaching us about gut health and teaching us about GMOs and good food and good
Jaclyn Steele:water and micronutrients and how they assimilate in the body so fast.
Unknown:Right But no, it's like antibiotics there's all these things that are money. Yeah. And when you mentioned gut health I mean probiotics have been part of my you know, kind of health regimen since Lyme disease and I mean honestly, it's just so you know, I don't really take them religiously or anything but I feel like probiotics is another part of the aspect that you know, I bring and try to go back to the high vibes before and just kind of go off on a tangent like, I'm a really rational person. I was raised Southern Baptist and I always try to figure out like, no, Jesus is kind of a hot topic but it's like always try to rationalize How did Jesus do the things that they claimed he did? And I've talked to the chaplain before about this like I feel like he kind of just carried around a higher vibrational frequency where like sickness flow, you know, would flee from him like yes, like, you know, part of his healing was just like, these vibes were just so high that it's just like, you know, darkness can exist in the light well,
Jaclyn Steele:and self discovery podcast is cool with Jesus just so you know, so Okay, if it's a hot button topic, let it be a hot button topic.
Unknown:Yeah, I'm just because I was like, so burned by the church. You know, being Southern Baptist is and this another thing that I don't like about the current situation, things that I used to hate about? And where I'm from Southern Baptist, it was like, believe in Jesus or go to hell, you know, yeah, ultimatum? Oh, sure. Most of you like it, get the vaccine or go to hell. Like I kind of got into that kind of mentality. I yeah,
Jaclyn Steele:yeah, I think that's a really interesting correlation. Super quick on vibes, you know, everything in our world is a frequency. If you look at anything under a microscope, it's vibrating at a certain frequency in order to exist. And so one of the things that I've been doing not only with this podcast, but also in other work and healing work with people is understanding that whatever we want to bring into our lives, we have to match that frequency. So if we want to bring higher vibe people, we have to become higher vibe people ourselves. And I think that crosses over into every genre, whether it's money or health, or whatever else, so I'm 1,000,000% down with the woowoo stuff. Yeah, next thing
Unknown:I want to talk about. Alright, one quick just to get on the vibration. So to help defeat Lyme disease, I came across something called a Doug cool, rife machine, which is a frequency generator hooked up to a wire coil, and you would set it up to a certain for 32 was the one I used if it was, you know, the data and the people like and it was like I was just so sick. I was like, I'll try anything. And I truly believe like this vibrating wire coil helped like I got better after I got that and I use antibiotics and other things as well, but I don't think I would have gotten through it. It took me like a year and a half, two years to get through line. Like it was bad.
Jaclyn Steele:I mean it yeah, it can damage your body. That's so I'm so glad that you brought that up because again, like I've been doing deep dives into frequency therapy and frequency healing. And there's a new bed coming out called the Opus bed. That is a frequency therapy bed. It's coming out next February and I I ordered it and I'm in talks with the people who created it, but essentially, it is frequency therapy. You lay on this bed and with sound and with vibration. It they're gearing it toward mental health. Um, but it is a therapy bed, which I think is so freakin cool. And I think this is the future. You know, I think people are so tired. And I know my friends circle in general is so tired of what feels like antiquated approaches to medicine, where it feels like there's only one way it has to be a pill or a drip or a something that comes from a pharmaceutical a pharmaceutical company
Unknown:makes somebody money that makes somebody
Jaclyn Steele:so much money when I'm such a firm believer in how miraculous our bodies are. And again, going back to frequency, there's also talks, I'm having this guy, it's gonna be part two. But I had him on the podcast for part one. And there is a device called natural action, that you run water through it. And it changes the molecular structure of the water to be like what is found in nature, and the water that is found in nature after it's been tumbled over rocks and swirled around. It assimilates into our body faster to hydrate our bodies. More engine. Yeah, yeah. All right, yeah. But also, you can program water with frequency. So whatever it is, that you are suffering from, whether it be an autoimmune disorder, a heart problem, a hip problem, you can impart frequency into water, and then it assimilates in your body faster. And in a more healing way, which I think is so ingenious, and so cool. And going back to Jesus, and God, it's like, we were given every resource we need, we just need to use it responsibly. My,
Unknown:one of my friends actually does it's like kangen water. I think I'm saying that right? Um, she's like a firm believer in it. But yeah, I think just to like, kind of tie the topic up in a bow. It's just like, our bodies are so much more powerful than we give them credit for. And we're being like, there's such a demise about us being autonomous as human beings, to take care of our own selves. It's like, we have to rely on other people and the government and pharmaceutical companies. And it's like, why can't I just be, like, the most powerful being I can possibly be? And like, strip away the rest. But yeah, I mean, I agree. Yeah, you can't exactly.
Jaclyn Steele:So that. That segues perfectly into my next question, which if you guys are comfortable speaking on this, what has been your experience with the COVID-19 vaccine? Because there is so much fear flying around. Now, post Biden mandates, all of these people who didn't want to get it are now being forced to get it or leave their jobs. So what are you guys seeing on the ground? And what are you guys seeing upper level as far as people leaving nursing or leaving the medical profession, or even leaving their government jobs?
Unknown:To be honest, me and Isaac are probably in the minority. A lot of our co workers and people I can't really speak for your experience, Isaac, but mine personally, it's like I am go to work every day. And if people know that I'm not vaccinated, I'm gaslit all day about how like I'm selfish, and then how like, I shouldn't be in health care, because I'm not vaccinated. When all in all, I made the decision solely on the part for medical reasons. And, you know, I used a religious exemption. However, I just I haven't gotten a vaccine of any sort in five years. So I don't be the reason to deviate from that for any reason, just because suddenly, there's a virus out that I must get the vaccine for it to be effective, and for me to not get it. Well, I've had COVID twice though, I have hella antibodies, I think because I haven't gotten sick. Not even a cold, since I've had COVID. But um, yeah, I think just like, it's making healthcare workers in general, just be a role in a play. That's what it feels like, to me personally. It's like people believe in the vaccine, but they don't know why. Hmm. What a lot of them just don't know why that they do. And it's like, Hello, you know, I mean, if you do that's great. You make your own decisions, do your own research. I know plenty of people who have gotten the vaccine and they are affirming their beliefs, and that's great. But a lot of people just don't really know why they're getting it or they've been guilted into getting it. And I'd like to add so I had Lyme disease. They mandated the flu shot after h1 in one And for me personally, like I never took the flu shot but it was just easier for me just to take the shot. And two years in a row had neurological reactions went to my doctor, you know, said I'm allergic I didn't ever have to take it again. And it was weird because back then they already started masks shaming us, because if you didn't it was like they couldn't really label us but they made us wear mask if we didn't have the flu shot. Going back to the flu shot the reason I never really took it before it was mandated is that To me personally being in medicine this long, if it's an annual shot, it's not a vaccine. Yeah, so with the flu shot, they basically have a dartboard. I mean, they say it's educated guesses, but I'm pretty sure there's just a dartboard with all 50 variants of flu, and they just throw some darts and, you know, one out of every 10 years like they get a good flu shot. But other than that, I see more vaccinated co workers with the flu shot out with the fluids than the ones that have medical or religious exemptions. So to me, it's like it's more healthy versus unhealthy. And then coming back to the COVID vaccine, you know, I was able to get a medical exemption. And it was weird to me that before they even said, you were going to need a booster that we were going to have to have annual, like annual exemptions, like before they were talking about this was Oh, right. At the beginning, it was two shots, and you're saving the world. And you're done. Yeah. And now it's turning into even like, more frequently than an annual shot. Yeah, it's, it's just weird. To me. It's like true vaccines usually have at the minimum 10 years like, and I'm not anti like that, like my kids get all their normal vaccines. You know, I never gave them the flu vaccine, though, because it's just they don't need that, like, why do they need a shot every year? They're healthy kids, they're not going to die from the flu. So risk versus benefit?
Jaclyn Steele:Mm hmm. Yeah, I think this is, this is such an interesting subject. And I'm not anti vaccine, either. However, I am pro information. I think a lot of information has been regulated off of the internet, or shamed off of the internet. And I'm also very much for bodily autonomy. I think if you go to the Constitution, and the way that our forefathers, though fallible, set up this country, it was for us to have freedom in every respect. And so it's my personal belief that these mandates are not constitutional. My dad is a lawyer, and I was speaking to him about this last night. And he said, You know, he was like, I'm not a constitutional expert, but I have studied the Constitution in his 30 years of practicing law. And he said, if anything, states can mandate, vaccinations, states appear to have that kind of power, but the federal government does not. And I think, and I want to be careful with what I say here, because I am not in the medical field. And I am not an expert. But what I have seen is that some people who have gotten the vaccine are totally fine, have not gotten COVID. But I also know many people who have gotten both doses of the vaccine and had breakthrough cases. And I spoke with my doctor about this, because I was asking her opinion, you know, what, what are you thinking for this vaccine? And is this something that I need to seriously consider? And she said, You know, when the vaccine first arrived, she said, Everybody in the office who works here has been vaccinated. And we had hope that this was going to prevent COVID-19. But she said, I've seen enough breakthrough cases now that it's very hard for me to advise my patients on getting the vaccine. Yeah, I was so surprised. She was that honest with me. But I appreciated it so deeply, because it made me trust her. And I feel like that is what the government at this point in time, and I'm not trying to be overly critical of the government. I'm not trying to get my podcast taken down. However, I feel like if there was more transparency across the board saying, you know, hey, we did the best we could in the time that we had to create this vaccine. But there are still breakthrough cases, people who are getting the breakthrough cases can still spread COVID-19, which is now been proven. And so the people who choose not to get it for medical reasons for religious reasons for simply questioning the logic behind it, why should I get a vaccine? If I can still get COVID and I'm perfectly healthy. Then. Why are the people who are unvaccinated being made out to be not only unintelligent and uneducated, by mainstream media, but selfish and immoral? I think that's where I take offense to this. Yeah, I that's where I take such offense to say that I'm not educated, because I haven't gotten the vaccine yet. When my question, I believe has been very logical. Well, if the vaccine is so effective, why is it being mandated because Cuz if it was so effective, just like smallpox and meningitis and tuberculosis, we would all be getting the vaccine. I've had all of those vaccines
Unknown:and I would like to kind of go on a side note with this because I've heard a doctor who I'm sure his video has been taken down, but he talks about cold viruses and, you know, before COVID we always have like, why is there not a vaccine for the for the common cold? And it's like, oh, because that would never work was always the response like, oh, colds mutate too much like, you know, the flu. Like I said, I don't even consider the flu shot, really a vaccine. But the fact that colds mutate, and they've never done this before, and why aren't we talking about the fact that this thing was made in one and a half years, the next closest or fastest vaccine was like four years or longer, like the measles, mumps, rubella, like,
Jaclyn Steele:like with long term studies worse, there's
Unknown:going to be slip ups and just sloppy lab work and things like that when you're just going so fast trying to develop something. And like I said, it's just cold viruses have never we've never tried a vaccine for it, because we almost already knew that it wasn't, it wasn't going to be. It wasn't going to be like other vaccines. Yeah, and Coronavirus, has been around for years and years and years. And like, of course it has mutated like viruses mutate very quickly and very often. So it's like, exactly, and I already know people that are getting the booster shot. And I mean, it just came out. I don't know, which more power to you. But
Jaclyn Steele:yeah, again, I don't want to judge people who have decided to go 18, and they don't have their decision. I think everybody should be able to make their own decision. For me personally, and I may take some heat for getting this. But my question has just been what are the long term studies? What are the long term studies? And because there are no long term studies? How do I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is safe? And I'll add, I'm pregnant. And so it makes things more complicated. And when I did my research, I talked to my doctor, I asked the question, what are the long term studies on pregnancy and the CDC is saying it's completely safe for pregnant women. But the CDC is also asking for pregnant volunteers to report on their findings. And
Unknown:then born since the mother had the shot like you, literally they haven't studied, exactly are their three, I don't know how many there's been since somebody said the first COVID shot and had a baby. But like you said, like there is literally no long term data. And I've said this before on my podcasts that science takes time and space to become real science. So right now it's instant gratification. Anything that you hear right now is not real science. It's right.
Jaclyn Steele:I'm so glad that you brought that up, Isaac, because that has been I've tried to come at this from a very logical perspective, not a left wing perspective, not a right wing perspective. But just as somebody who is curious and wants to ask good questions, because I'm a firm believer that good questions lead to really good answers. And for me, because there are no long term studies because I am pregnant. I have decided even though Dr. Fauci is saying every pregnant woman should get the vaccine not to, and I haven't been ridiculed a whole lot. But I also haven't talked about this publicly. But that is my decision. It is simply because there are no long term studies. And we don't know the long term effects on a baby. And the CDC is asking for pregnant women to be reporting those things. And at this point, I'm just not willing to be a part of that. And for the one that's here, right? Yeah. And for the women that are again, I'm not holding a lot of judgment. It's just a very personal decision for me. Have you guys seen any good reactions to the vaccine or bad reactions to the vaccine? Can you speak on that a little bit?
Unknown:Oh, um, I actually have seen a newly diagnosed Multiple Sclerosis class, I can't talk Multiple Sclerosis person who got the booster and she could not walk within two hours. And they actually stated it was because of the vaccine. To my surprise, they did. So Wow. Um, that was probably the most intense thing I have seen. Because, of course, it was mortifying for the person to not be able to walk and say they have multiple sclerosis. Like she's like, they have no history. So anyways, as far as good, I will say a lot of the patients that haven't gotten the vaccine aren't quite as sick when the first Delta wave came, I want to say this was what like, a month and a half ago, I noticed a lot of vaccinate, excuse me, unvaccinated patients were sick. However, a lot of them just needed oxygen for a little bit longer than the people that were vaccinated. So that's not to say that the death rate or anything I've seen, I'm not talking statistics here, I'm just talking about my experience. That's not to say that it was better or worse. But I will say now, later in the Delta strand, or, you know what I mean, I have seen a lot of vaccinated, completed vaccinated patients in the hospital with COVID. Or, I have a lot of patients that have complications that could possibly be related to COVID. Such as, like blood clots in the legs, stroke, things like of that nature. So better or worse, it's really hard to say for me, specifically, because I'm in a really big city right now traveling, and, you know, it's kind of all over the place, however, we just, you know, healthcare kind of throws the blame at the unvaccinated patients for getting themselves in the spot that they got into. Um, but, you know, the deaths have been less for me, in general, I'll say that. Yeah, now I agree with I really do believe this shot decreases the symptoms like, you know, it's unhealthy, people vaccinated or unvaccinated that seems to be getting COVID the worse.
Jaclyn Steele:Yeah, so people with
Unknown:you know, CDC has charts and like BMI on diabetes, to me are the two things I've seen the most. Absolutely.
Jaclyn Steele:But okay, so overweight and diabetic That is, if you, again, we can't give out medical advice here. But for somebody who is diabetic and overweight, the vaccine is probably a really good thing, because the risks of getting COVID outweigh the risks.
Unknown:And I've seen a lot of two year old men that I've done, you know, that didn't make it that, you know, we're anti vaccine, you know, just super strong beliefs and not getting the vaccine. And it's like, there's families without their father now. Ah, it's heartbreaking that, you know, it shouldn't be killing people this age, but it is. So if you have those two co-morbidities, you know, and I don't give medical advice, but you should really talk to your doctor, and weigh the risks versus benefits. But I've also seen two employees. One ad No, I don't really know her but an ER employee, she spent like three nights in the ICU after getting the vaccine. And then one of the directors at the hospital, she spent three nights in the ICU in Emory on a nytro drip right after the vaccine, and they're looking for, you know, they took her to the cath lab to look for blockages, they're literally looking for anything to not blame it on the vaccine. And then once all of those routes went to a dead end, you know, she is like you had a reaction to the vaccine. So I know that's a small number. But in one of my episodes of the podcast, I put out the statistics for skydiving, you know, not really telling the people that's the statistics, you know, and like it's such a low number, but like, Can you really push somebody out of a plane just because it's super safe? Like just because I can prove that it's super safe when low amounts of people you know, are having reactions? Doesn't matter how low the numbers are, are when you're one of those people?
Jaclyn Steele:Yeah, it'll be reported on so that people can make, make educated decisions. And if you're somebody with Lyme disease, or somebody with a neurological condition, or multiple sclerosis, or something else, having the information to know that you could be at higher risk for some of the side effects, it doesn't mean you're going to get them. But just being able to understand that that information is available to you rather than censored off of the internet, or censored off social media altogether.
Unknown:Yeah, and you never have a doctor until somebody that's allergic to shellfish. Like we really need this CT with IV contrast because people with shellfish allergies almost always have allergic reactions to CT contrast. So it's like, what doctor in their right mind would be like, you know what, you just I really want this image with contrast. I know that you almost die when you eat shellfish, but you'll probably be fine, you know, like this. Yeah. Like it's, you know, correlating those two things. It just, you know, it's like a one and a doctor would never like for somebody to take something that they feel like could harm themselves. But with this vaccine, going back to autonomy, it's like, how can these people say that if I believe this shot will cause me harm? How can you tell me I have to take it
Jaclyn Steele:or risk losing My job and my livelihood. Yeah, it just seems so extreme. I mean, I know Norway has downgraded COVID, from a pandemic to the flu. And so there are some countries that are relying on herd immunity and relying on the statistics saying, Hey, this is a serious thing, no doubt like this is killing people. And one person dying is too many, however, to have these broad mandates that people should be getting a vaccine that doesn't have long term study that could negatively affect them. It just, to me, there's a there are pieces of missing logic that I'm just not wrapping my brain around yet.
Unknown:Right. And I think it's like that. Yeah, I think everybody's kind of like that now. Like, um, you know, I, I could be wrong. I think Norway was one of the places that had probably the least, mandates, and they were getting to navia. So it's pretty crazy that they've already kind of lifted everything. But I think it's healthy to ask questions, you know, I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. And TV gaslit are made crazy or deemed a certain way. And you know, it's kind of like, Isaac was saying, just like high and mighty are going to hell, like, why would I go to hell for asking a question like, why do I need to be shamed and have my job on the line, I filled out seven declination forms for the COVID vaccine. I've only ever filled out one in the past for flu. Seven. I had to sit there and say, I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. Please just let me know I get it. It's just crazy to me. And people don't know half the time why they're pushing it or why they're doing it. Yeah.
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Unknown:and I didn't get you know, I didn't have those, the vaccine or anything last year you know, I just kind of like sucked it up and went through it but I'm not a
Jaclyn Steele:professional lamb and so now a year and a half later to be sitting there. Like I'm the black sheep in this scenario, it just was a hero last year up here yeah, it you know, it makes no logical sense to me whatsoever. Yeah, I've
Unknown:had a similar situation. So back in July, we had a gathering, you know, and I think this was kind of when the numbers were still kind of low before everybody gathered. And you know, I was one of the few unvaccinated people there. And it was weird that my mother in law's been going through chemo and she's doing great now but Oh good. My wife's at basically enemies weren't her exact words but I felt like I went from my hero to a murderer because they found out that I didn't take the vaccine is like how you gonna feel when you bring home COVID and kill your mother in law like was her words and it's just like, are you like and this is a she's a left wing politician and I'm not political left or right I consider myself libertarian, but it was just blew my mind that it's like I'm the one that's there. Like and I haven't gotten COVID yet I haven't spread it to anybody. You can't spread what you don't have. So if I don't have it, I can't give it to anybody. I'm smarter around my mother in law I'm not like just some reckless cowboy that you know, just you know just sneezes and coughs on everybody can
Jaclyn Steele:imagine you being reckless in any scenario. Yeah,
Unknown:what about a cowboy because you see that Well yeah, it was just crazy to me how they like I kind of got ganged up on and attacked and it's just like I just want to be like, you realize I'm the one that's caring for people in the pain
Jaclyn Steele:and actually seeing what's happening on the ground like I
Unknown:don't I'm not scared like I'm literally more concerned about taking the shot than getting COVID I mean I've lost like 1520 pounds since the beginning because I saw the body types that were getting seriously injured and I'm like well I'm gonna do something about myself so I can be risk and you know I want to take those steps not you know, I call it the instant but instant virtue shot because at the beginning and this is when they thought that the vaccine the vaccinated couldn't spread it into me I was always like well that's just bogus it's not how you know even though to sit in a vaccine that's never how vaccines work like they don't work until the virus is actually inside of you. So and it's like I couldn't even talk that logic to these people because it's like you know, and they're all around without their mask you know spread and they could be potentially spreading COVID to my mother in law because her COVID shot doesn't work she's got to get it again because with chemo that kind of kills all those you know all her immune cells so she's basically had to start from scratch
Jaclyn Steele:for for people who don't understand why you're saying this isn't really a vaccine I understand exactly what you're saying but can you touch on that? Why this is not a traditional vaccine?
Unknown:Yeah, so traditional vaccines take a weekend attenuated I believe is the technical word but you know takes a virus that's been weakened altered but basically just puts those parts in your body and then your body can say oh hey this this recognize this let's kill it and get it out. And I don't know a ton about this but as far as I know, it's artificial mRNA mRNA tells your DNA basically how to write code you know basically tells your DNA what to do. So from my best understanding we're basically putting artificial intelligence into our bodies to program ourselves to basically once it sees COVID recognize COVID and then create these antibodies and I really don't even understand how that part works. But yeah, considered it artificial intelligence over what I believe in is an infinite intelligence like I won't a natural I want my body if I need to, and I mean I've been exposed to COVID over and over and the fact that I'm not naive and thinking I may never get COVID but I really just have my regimen it's worked for me for 19 months and like I said, if my patients need a hug, I give them a hug if they need prayer, I give give them a prayer you know, like you know, I just I just love them vaccinated right?
Jaclyn Steele:Oh, we need we need loving nurses and I know there are so many but I because I know the both of you personally I just appreciate the kind of compassion and genuine care you bring to the bedside because it is it's exactly what people need right now to feel like they're not alone.
Unknown:Something that's a little different. It's it's weird that I don't know if you've seen this, Adrian, but it's like, the patients that almost have that doom and gloom and fear from the get go. Those are the ones that don't make it the ones that kind of have like a positive attitude. And like, you know, absolutely This is tough. This sucks, but I'm gonna make it like, it's really weird how I've seen like that correlation where these doom and gloom people don't make it like, absolutely, yeah, he acted proactive about your health. Yeah, I feel like it's just the fee Almost I almost feel like COVID like a fear monger or like where it can almost feed on your fear and the more afraid you get the more sick you get I mean it's well
Jaclyn Steele:and and scientifically I'm pretty sure that can be proven because stress decreases our immunity and stress decreases our ability to combat pretty much everything so if you are feeling large amounts of fear that is going to cause a lot of stress in your body and then your body has a physical reaction. So I think that leads perfectly into my second to last question, which is about fear because I speak so much on fear in this podcast and not living in fear. Is there any parting wisdom we can give our listeners in relation to fear around COVID? Yeah,
Unknown:I think just in general I'll just say the corny saying false evidence appearing real I think here is a is a lie like fear is a lying emotion and I think if you just if you are scared of COVID I do see why I think everyone can see why. But just look outside of it. What can you do about it? What can you do about your fear? You know, take care of yourself. You know de stress when you're when you're like you said when you're cooped up in all this fear, your stress responses increase your immunity is lower, take care of yourself exercise what can you do to prevent COVID you know, if you need to lose some weight, maybe start a little weight loss journey kind of thing. So I think just taking care of yourself period is the best way you can come back COVID and turn the news off for the love of God and get off of social media sometimes and watching you follow and it's just it's all connected your mind your heart, your stomach, your everything. Yeah, and I 100% agree that I love it turn off the news. Like that's where almost all of this fear comes from. And yes, these Talking Heads don't have our interest in their heart like they just don't and it's like you almost can see they're like shit eating grin as they talk about COVID you know, like, they're more popular now. their egos are growing like they're becoming these ego monsters because they can people who are holding on to every word they say. And yeah, and I don't know if I'm, like I said naive or what, but just my belief system. Like I really wasn't afraid from the get go I was kind of more the we don't need mask, you know, like, this is fine. And like as Tom's going on, like, I'm definitely shifted my views like, I kind of like mask personally as, as an unvaccinated person, you know, I'll get my youth one day. But I'm almost afraid of the like, when I take my kids, I took both of my boys to Falcons games this year. And we wear our mask in the stadium because it's like, I'm almost more afraid of what these vaccinated people are brewing and walking around without masking these big stadiums, you know, yeah, and that's our perfect, but I just look at him as a physical barrier. And, you know, I'm not like crazy about it, we'll take them all fall away, he but I just feel like it's just another layer of protection, that if I am going to go out in public, I'm gonna be smart about it. Um, but yeah, I just, I don't know, fears not been something that I've really, I had a lot of fear in my younger days. So this is something I've kind of outgrown. Right? Yeah. Now and just kind of I just, I can't really control what's going to happen in the future, what decisions have been made in the past, but I try to look at this moment and just be like, what can I do now? Yeah, I'm glad you said the word control because I think a lot of it is that we're trying to control something that's uncontrollable, but we can control ourselves and what we do and how we proactively move forward, was the last time man is beat a volcano or a hurricane like, right? There's forces in natures that it's just like, it doesn't matter what man does. It's kind of I've said that from the beginning and I just have my own thoughts which have no basis in any studies or data but at the beginning of this I was kind of like, let's just rip off the band aid let everybody who's gonna get it get it like we would have had more deaths at the first wave, no doubt. But would we have had three spikes, you know, with h1, n one, it was kind of just everybody kind of did their thing we kind of rolled through and I do believe this virus is deadlier. And I could definitely see h1 in one being a natural pandemic. And this one, you know, being a biological elephant in the room as I like to call it but you know, it's like, um,
Jaclyn Steele:yeah. So I think for me, again, with fear, um, I agree. I think I take a stoic philosophy approach of like, let's consider what we can control versus what we cannot control because if I have control over something, then it's my responsibility. And then the next thing that I think About is taking it down to the facts and when I checked a couple of weeks ago I took the New York Times COVID counter by state and on average the death rate is still between point 01 and point 03 percent and so again one life lost is far too many. But when we think about it in terms of percentages, people who are dying it's I think around point 01 point 03 percent. And in addition to that, I think something like don't quote me on this, but something like 90% of those have multiple comorbidities. And so should we be cautious? Should we be considerate in going out in public? Absolutely, should we be taking vitamins and exercising strengthening our immune system than our gut health 100% But should we be living in fear based off of these facts? And these statistics My opinion is no. And I've
Unknown:looked it up before and it's like pretty similar like the number of people who drive and die versus like the number of people who die from COVID and COVID has been higher lately but it's like if you just look at the year to year I looked it up once and it was pretty similar percentages. And it's like we're not outlying outlawing cars. No it's like people still drive you know we're not decreasing like that would save one life you know, that would save how many lives if we decrease the speed limit across the board but that's just not reality. That's just not what we do as a society we keep pushing forward.
Jaclyn Steele:I agree. You guys thank you so much for being here before we wrap up where can people find you online? pimp yourselves out? Yeah, whatever you want to share?
Unknown:The only social media I have Instagram so people are happy to find me there. I'm actually this is not even healthcare related, but I'm building a Viking house so you can follow me Oh, cool. I'm so excited. I'm very medieval and very cool. The blog will be called the Nordic Shire and you can find me on Instagram there I'm haven't started quite blogging yet but that is where it's in the works. And yeah, I'm pretty terrible at social media started Facebook a few weeks ago to kind of get to my family members and friends, my frontline podcast, and it's all on Patreon. So it's under ASIC Benjamin and yeah, so I've got five episodes out there do a little YouTube like link to I do like a theme song before every episode to kind of include the energy of what I'm bringing in and it's just short around 10 minute clips of just you know, immunity benefits proning which is laying on your belly which is like if the powers that be really wanted to save lives they would tell people about you know laying on your belly to help break and listen to that episode that we cared about us they there was so much more than just being vaccine or not vaccine You know, there's just so much more so um, yeah, and I'm kind of new to Patreon I don't really know how to use it but yeah, under Isaac Benjamin his messages of truth is would be me. I don't know if there's more Isaac Benjamins out there. But
Jaclyn Steele:yeah, well, I have listened to your podcast Isaac and so as my husband and we loved it, it just felt so logical and straightforward.
Unknown:There's like we listen to it too. Yeah, no, no. You're just
Jaclyn Steele:so lovable
Unknown:last one it was what a vaccine no that was not that one first one that was your first but yeah, what was it light or? Yeah,
Jaclyn Steele:no, I must need to catch up. Catch.
Unknown:Light flows love equals truth. So that one's kind of just like a deep episode I really don't even talk about COVID that much but yeah, if you go to the Patreon page Isaac Benjamin there's five different you know, audio episodes and then my very first post was just kind of like what I'm trying to do with this and just trying to get information from front lines and not really picking one side or another. Yeah, just kind of telling people what I've seen just trying to stay kind of middle ground
Jaclyn Steele:which I love Yeah, I love that you come
Unknown:at this literally I haven't found a perspective out there like that so I just you know film called how higher power to be like just just put it out there and like I said, I've got three whole patrons right now but hopefully, you know, people and I put all my stuff out there for free Patreon. A lot of times you have to pay, you know, to get this stuff, but I'm doing at least 10 episodes where it's completely free. You know, I just want to get this stuff out there so people can listen. And so you can follow for free, you don't have to become a patron or whatever it is. You can just follow and you'll be you'll have access to the, to the podcast. Yes.
Jaclyn Steele:Well, Isaac, Adrian, thank you so much for your time today you are welcome to come back on at any point, I so appreciate you being brave and sharing your perspectives that are not necessarily mainstream, mainstream perspective. So
Unknown:don't ask us nurses because I adore Yeah, thanks for having Uh
Jaclyn Steele:oh, that's exactly why I wanted to have you because I know you have direct experience with this. You're not sitting in a lab, you're not behind the scenes, you are on the front line. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you both. Thanks for having you.