Emergency Pod - Mac Retires

Coach Greg McDermott has retired. The crew gets together to reminisce. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:19

Help. Welcome back, my friends, to the show that might just end. I don't know. It is an emergency podcast from Blue Jays at the B, as it's a sad day as our fearless leader has stepped down. We love you, Mac. Thank you. Yeah. I might be able to do it. Are you stepping down too? I might just fucking do it. I don't know. I'm Jack Jeffy, joined by Pat Hawk, Michael Roshon, and Pat Coder in an emergency cabinet meeting of how we go about this. But most importantly, we just wanted to talk about the best all-time winningest coach in create history, Greg McDermott, who announces his retirement this on a Monday. Would have just kick us in the nuts.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Stealing the thunder from a certain team.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

We had a good weekend just watching hoops, and then all of a sudden we I guess we still have a coach now.

SPEAKER_05 1:27

I could have used the Friday news to him, I'm gonna be honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

I like the little Friday news.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

I mean I don't know. I guess it's it's an off day for m the men's tournament, so it's like let's shock thank you for thank you for clarifying. Let's shock. I I said men's. Yeah. I know. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um I'm I'm just saying uh when the men's they're on their break. I think it's let's make the news about Creighton. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. But Craig McDermott leaves after 16 years at Creighton with um just an an amazing record. Thirty three hundred and sixty-five, a year's worth of wins, 188 losses for uh 660. That's a good that's yeah, that's not bad at all for uh that's amazing. Um it was 2010?

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Yeah, that's 2010. I've been reading it up on the year 2010. Just like because we were talking uh where were you when he was hired? With sophomore in high school?

SPEAKER_04 2:42

Oh, I mean we were all yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:44

I really don't remember what I was doing or anything.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

When what like when was he? Like, what do we have the date of when he was hired?

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Now that's a good question.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

PC's got the Wikipedia April 26th, so I was probably coming down from a little bit of a high. Uh April 26th, 2010.

SPEAKER_04 3:04

Oh, we were still fucking high on brownies and those doobies.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

Uh homemade.

SPEAKER_05 3:13

Actually, I would actually I didn't realize this. 2010 reportedly a 10-year deal worth a million per. That feels like a lot for 10 years. I mean, there were circumstances involved that led to that. Yeah, and like it's not like he was just Wikipedia, and I'm not doing any deep dive here. It's pretty pretty lazy answer, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

It's not 2010 anymore. We can trust Wikipedia.

SPEAKER_04 3:38

Yeah. Um never. Also, that I think he was hired when I was getting lifeboarded by prep. I was gonna say, I was in big, big trouble at prep. I was slanging dope in the parking lot. They didn't like that. Yeah, you guys, everybody that's listening, I was a cool guy. The bad boys podcaster. Bad boy at prep. Bad boy of a junior J.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

The best way we go about this. And that was where was Jack's life in every year?

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yes, Creighton made the sweet 16, but what was Jack doing 75 MIPs?

SPEAKER_04 4:24

Uh was getting escorted out of a hyatt. Uh yeah. Um that one was a good one. I was at home. Yeah. Yeah. Um, anyways, Creighton losing their butt their boy. And obviously there's not much news to it. I know, yeah. There's things we gotta talk about, but I like Alan. Oh, yeah. It's about time. I think he wants the reigns.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Yeah, like in I don't know. I I'll I think uh I'll just at first admit that I was wrong probably this entire year on the podcast. So I I kind of thought that he'd have one more year.

SPEAKER_05 5:07

I'd like to put my hand up and say I was right. That'd be a neat uh can't I no, I don't know. We got we have plenty of time to hop aboard the house bus.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that's that's kind of the thing. It's such a weird feeling um coaching change because there's no there's no search or anything. How I it'd be hard to track down now, but I'm curious how long that the Mac, the Altman to Mac kind of search lasted.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

Well, it's if if it was hired on April in April, that wasn't long.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Not long at all, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

So I mean, it was a while ago, 2010. So I don't know if we remember what we did this past weekend. I know. But uh this has been a rough last week for me with Patty's Day. I don't remember. So, you know, I had I had I was telling Hawk about this at uh my cousin who was part of the the Creighton program at that time, called me that morning and was like, hey, there's some news because I mean this was before like Twitter and even like text messaging, you know, like the you know, and so he called me and goes, Hey, you you know, he's you're crazy, you you're not gonna believe what's about to happen. Um, and you know, and he he didn't fill me in on all of it, but you know, and he told me, he goes, Bruce Rasmussen was like, hey, you know, it's you're not gonna people are gonna question this, but we we got our guy. Like we're we're good going forward. Like he is the guy I want leading this Creighton program. Give it a couple years, and all of you are gonna see why I wanted him leading this Creighton program. And I think everybody should trust Bruce by now, you know, you know, and he, I mean, he was he was dead on. I mean, I don't think, you know, you look at I, you know, it's tough to go back and look at coaches at that time that you could have been like, yeah, that maybe that guy or that guy um maybe would have been better. But man, I I can't think of somebody that you would want more, you know, not only just leading Creighton's program, but the the players that he brought in, what they did for the Creighton community, like it's it's really hard to like state like what Greg McDermott has done for not only Creighton basketball, but Omaha as a community.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Yeah, I think that like um obviously people around around the area and around the state um kind of get get a feel, have a have a general feel for it, but I don't think um like the broader national uh like fans and everything realize just the jump that we really made under his tenure. Yeah, like it's unbelievable. Um, but the question needs to be asked was Bruce maybe just the best talent evaluator of all time? Maybe he was just really excited about Doug.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Yeah. You're not gonna he was he was watching, he was like, everybody went to go watch Harrison Barnes. He was like, no, I'm watching that skinny white guy right there.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

He's like, I like the coach, but you're never gonna believe it. We'll keep him for four years and pubbing dupe.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

I just I just picture um like that Anchorman 2 scene where she gets like the job for nightly news and he doesn't. He's like, I forbid it. And it's like, well, mom and dad, I really I do want to go to Iowa Northern Iowa. I forbid it! Teresa, he's coming with me to Creighton. I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Just so we can have years and years of people calling him me Doug.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

From the opening press or all right, and like from the rip.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

I wonder if him and him and Doug now have like a these past few years have had like a some kind of deal, like buy a beer or or something, you pay for the next round of golf of each time that he gets called Doug on the broadcast. Yeah, he's like, no, you owe me around now.

SPEAKER_04 9:33

Well, he he makes more than his dad. So I mean five grand every fucking time they call me you. Like because I'm not you. This is a problem. Doug's like, I built it. He's like, no, I didn't. But going back to what you said about the community and not just basketball coaching, I think he's one of the most recognizable people in Omaha. And that's because of what he's done for cancer research, the pink out. That's one of the biggest standout I mean, and and now I think uh around the league, uh uh not even Biggie in the NCAA, you're seeing more pink outs than ever.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

100% it's absolutely it always turns back to Obaha.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

I think I think we would want to be uh original like pink outs, and now you see Xavier doing one, you see I mean Providence Providence does one, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Georgetown does it, yep. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

I was gonna say that's I mean that's gotta be probably outside of wins and losses, and and I mean probably even above that, uh I mean that's probably one of the best legacies of any coach in maybe in college basketball, because it's it's so cool every single year. Yeah, and and even watching nationally, like nobody does it like us.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

No, yeah, you get a few, you know, you'll get some pink sporadic, but like you don't have an entire arena where everybody is wearing pink.

SPEAKER_04 11:00

That must be tough, you know. Like as the opponent, maybe even as a great employer, you're like, Jesus Christ. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Um well, like visually, especially you know, the ears that they the shirts they do are like kind of the more vibrant pinks. Right. Like you walking in the arena and you're like, holy shit, it is like bright. No. Shit.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

I think that was a problem this year. They weren't as bright. So UConn didn't have any issues.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

Uh-huh. Yukon's white out was a dull white. There's a cream hasn't no issues with today's news. There's no one happy in the world that Yukon's. Yeah, there's today's news. There's one happy fan base in the country, and it's it's Yukon.

SPEAKER_04 11:44

They're like, get him out away from like the staring out the window beam, like we beat UCLA to um also probably just what he's done for charities just locally. Yeah. Um, I mean, I I I've seen it several like silent auctions where it's like um 18 holes with him. Yeah. And it's like that's gonna raise like people will bid thousands, like thousands of dollars just to go and on a golf cart with him. And yeah, well, and it really it must be hard. I would be like, yeah, if I got some fucking nerd bothering me for 18 holes, and I'm like, I can't I can't tell you the insides of our like secrets and program. Like, am I gonna get that kid? I don't know. I talked to his dad like this week. Fuck off. We play some ball. I got 190 over the water. Yeah, but Peter Little's come on, give me the yardage.

SPEAKER_05 12:44

Oh, we feel like 2031 class, Mac.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

I I don't know, but this is a big this is a hard five. This is a hard part five. Let's shut up. Gear up, buttercup. This is uh we're at OCC. Yeah, they uh but yeah, you guys talk for a second, I gotta use the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

Well, I was gonna say, like, I under Mac, the the program felt very I mean for for like an outsider, just kind of uh a regular, especially like when I was coaching, the program felt like accessible to a lot of resources. Like there was there's always assistance and like players, and even Mac himself going around like camps uh and speaking and players speaking and like doing you know, not necessarily even charity work, but just like helping out and like every time they would they would leave and stuff, they'd give out you know, like the itinerary for the day, and at the bottom it'd be like, here's my email address. You want to if you have questions about what I talked about or anything, or if you want to come to a practice, like contact us. And I mean we we are we've been lucky enough in these past I don't know however many years to be able to go and check out practices and and workouts and stuff like that, like that, just that accessibility really um made it feel more communal.

SPEAKER_05 14:02

And I was never in the coaching ranks like you guys, but just imagine that as a kid, like you think I'm sure you went to Creighton Camp at least a year or two or several, like I did. Like it was cool as shit. I never went back was there because I stopped going in high school, obviously. Uh then like I can't imagine that accessibility was eliminated in any way, shape, or form at that point. That just the outreach and the yeah, we'll fuck with you for lack of a better term. It didn't matter if you were Joe Schmoe playing on the freshman B team or if you were the top kid in the state. The accessibility was there. I I really like that you used that word. That's just he was so goddamn open to everyone around here. Shit, let's even narrow down to campus. Yeah. I mean, he he was the friendliest man, every cook, every waitress, every bartender here down at Merritt's.

SPEAKER_04 14:53

I mean every time he came to Barrett. I'm not the guy to speak on that, obviously, but every time he comes to Barrett's, it's a joy. And you know, he loves he loves Jess. Are are like, and she she's the best. They've probably been the same exact tenured, but exactly. Yeah, like so. Every time he comes to Barrett's, he sees Jess, and she she can like tell him what to do. It's kind of funny. Like so, he just had his what we were gonna say, the Last Supper. He was here on Saturday. He had all the coaches with Lynn, Bruce. No Marcus. Oh boy. Um, but all the coaches and him at Barrett's, and they tried to like pull two tables together or something, and Chess was like, No, Greg, come on, you know this, coach. And he's like, I'm so sorry. Okay. Like, go to the big table. Like, but they him just being so nice to my mother. I mean, they're they're a riot to watch. Um he's just so cool. I'm gonna miss him.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Yeah, and it's like that those are the things that um you know, sound like Omaha, even how big nationally like Creighton basketball gets, it's still very nice that that that community is still there. That it kind of makes you feel like it's nothing has changed, you know, even from back in the the days of the Missouri Valley. Oh yeah. You know, even though we you know continuously have top 25 teams and and you know, national players of the year and and elite eights and all that, like they're still supporting local.

SPEAKER_04 16:45

He's still going to local petits donuts and you know to and it's you know, there there's a bit there's a bit of fanfare, but to them for the most part, it still has that small like community feel. Yeah. You know, even shout out OC, even the courses. I mean he like yeah, he when he goes golfing, it's not like you know, people people respect his boundaries. I'm probably the worst. I'm I'm like okay, so Jackson Richardson, he was there that day. I was like, so what happened with that? He's like, I'm having lunch with Alan. Fuck you, Jack. Get the fuck out of my face. We're very upset, yes. But yeah, he he just, you know, I think he that's the reason he stayed for as long as he did.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Absolutely turning down Ohio State, India, Arizona State like 97 times from what I've understanding.

SPEAKER_05 17:45

Ohio State learned Arizona State like 15 times.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Uh Arizona State hired Randy Bennett, so Mac is not going to Arizona State. That would hurt.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

That would that would really that would kind of is there a is that that that would make you think that there was something else going on.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Is there a timeline that I don't know what it say in a he ain't coaching a year? Say in a year he he took a job, would that hurt? I think feel like a year maybe, but like I don't know. Outside of that, I would just kind of be like, uh, you know, Mac just missed it.

SPEAKER_05 18:20

Personally, I don't think he's gonna miss this era of college basketball.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 18:25

Yeah, uh, he's done well. His son has made 80 million dollars in the NBA. Uh so this son's a great caddy.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

I uh he's he's good, buddies, you know. Just send a quick call to Jay Wright and be like, hey, do you miss coaching and Jay Wright? It's gonna be like absolutely not. Yeah, you know, like that was kind of the busy idea.

SPEAKER_05 18:45

Like does he kind of fall into that category of I mean, he's not the Bayheim, Shashevsky, Roy Williams, he's not that level, but does he fall into that, you know what? This is just kind of yeah, you gotta give him a call, of course.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

But uh I could totally is it just kind of the I I think you I think you have like a probably like a two to three year window where yeah, you call Mac and then after that he's not coaching. Yeah, you know, you're not gonna sit out of that old. Yeah, but you're not gonna sit out of the game for three years and then come back into what's gonna be worse than what it is right now. I mean, it's it's only gonna get worse. You're not gonna come back, you know. Even I mean, I don't like if Duke calls you right, yeah, yeah, something like that. But like, but like even then, I don't think that would that's even worse.

SPEAKER_04 19:39

I I would I would rather have I don't know Arizona State, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Yeah, like get to the tournament or like a Houston like a Houston, you know, like if Houston calls, okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

What about his alma mater? What if like in three years, a nice, easy going northern Iowa job that he could turn into another or bring them back to I know they won the valley this year and Ben's doing a great job, but say something happens where he goes elsewhere and it's like Mac, are you bored in three years? Right. I I want to help my Panthers out.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

And then he's like, hold on, I I do have to hit this shot over 190. 190. There's water in front. Hold on a second. I was gonna say let me get back to you.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

He's athletic or anything I know it's tea time. Right. They're gonna be like, oh no, it's it's 11:40. Max in the middle of the fifth hole. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:28

If he would have called at five o'clock, I would have said yes. But I'm on the 10th right now. How dare you?

SPEAKER_02 20:35

I had a birdie putt. My fucking phone's buzzing in the background. I missed it. Um I'm saying no. It lipped out with the you.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Because he probably still has like the super old man like ringtone, you know, that you can hear everywhere. So that goes off when he's trying to make a putt for a hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

It's louder. Louder, maybe you should just keep calling. You're getting up there. Yeah. Oh, but he's you know kid. No, he's he's sharp as a tack. Yeah. The one that's losing it, I thought, was Dana. I think he might have just been drunk. But yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

He'll probably still coach for another decade.

SPEAKER_04 21:18

I don't yeah. Some people that's the only thing they know. Yeah, yeah. And I think I think Dana would maybe accept another gig. Because he's he's probably done this year, right? No, Oregon said they want him back. Did they announce that? I oh I guess everything's going to football. Yeah, yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I mean, God. I mean, he got them to a final four. Like he can bridge the gap.

SPEAKER_05 21:46

Well, everyone just gives a shit about football.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

He might I mean he left Creighton and he the terrible injury bug followed him to Oregon, too. I mean, that guy's had terrible injury luck at Oregon.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

So and he's He has done a great job there.

SPEAKER_04 22:01

Yeah. And I think it's fair to give him another.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

I mean So we don't think Mac is going to Arkansas.

SPEAKER_04 22:07

Yeah. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Mac just put out a fake presser doing the Whoopig suite.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

That'd be a good bit.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

That'd be a good calipari.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

They're like, what?

SPEAKER_04 22:20

Oh my god, that's funny. But I don't know what else to do but laugh.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Happy to think about the good times. But I think he has a lot I was gonna say, and it just makes it easier because we have we've had we had the plan and and I I trust I trust Al.

SPEAKER_04 22:41

I think I think they've been uh working on this for all year. I think I think he told Bubby Allen at the beginning of the season that don't just between you and me. This is it. And let's plan for this. I think because he does care about this program so much.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

That's that's a that's a huge thing.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

So he's not gonna leave us in peril. Like he said, all right, Alan, because I swear that lunch a few weeks ago here, they it was just those two. And I was like, I can I see it. I mean, I didn't want to say anything or you know, speculate.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

I didn't I think I I think at the beginning of the year, I think that it was I think it was really 50-50 on whether or not he was he was gonna return. And then as the year went on, and I talked about this today, I was just like you started seeing signs from McDermott in press conferences, just the way he talked, that he it was now like 70-30 he was retiring. And then like at the end of the year, it was to me, it was like 95-5. Like, so today's announcement did not surprise me at all. No, um, no, I just I just think the way this year went and having to live in the portal like he did, and the roster construction, and then it failing like it did, and knowing he's gonna have to do it again. Yeah. And then the way, you know, and not to say like, you know, it's a lot easier in the SOCON to do things, you know, with with high point, but like the way Hus was able to construct multiple rosters at high point, get to the end, you know, lose in the in their tournament where you know, he high point probably should have made the tournament three years in a row. They lost in the their conference tournament, they're the number one seed loss in their conference tournament, his first year got upset. Then they, you know, last year they won, won it, got in, and then this year they got in. All on Huss's roster construction. Yeah. So, you know, I think Mac is like, damn, I'm I'm gonna put Creighton in really good hands here.

SPEAKER_05 24:52

Yeah, and it it's his time. Yeah, it is. Yeah, you don't want to oversimplify it, but you either die the hero, yeah, or things get bad. Yeah, who knows? Who knows? I don't think it's the same. That's the same. That's the same. I'm not gonna use the real saying because you'd never be the same.

SPEAKER_04 25:09

Exactly what Commissioner Gordon said.

SPEAKER_05 25:11

I don't I know you either go out on top a year early or you stick around a year too long, and then the murmurs start to go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_05 25:22

And Max's too smart of a guy to let that drag out, let that not say hurt the program, and he sticks around another year, but yeah. When you realize it's time to turn the page, you turn the page, and you know what if you turn it with a couple sentences left. That does kind of mean that you're probably not missing much.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

I mean just most likely it as you know, we might as well start talking about it. It's gonna be another probably dud or rebuild, you know, next year.

SPEAKER_05 25:54

Portal combat is I mean, I guess we could I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

It just it just depends what what Creighton has for NIL money. It really does. Because why wouldn't she want to come here and play?

SPEAKER_04 26:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Um, like all of that is there. The question is, does Creighton have the money to pony up to guys to to get in there with the big boys? You know, because you we we all watch games this weekend. The athleticism on the floor this weekend blows everything that Creighton has out of the water. And yeah, they need a massive upgrade in athletes this offseason. The problem is though, they cost a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

So yeah, and I'm I'm very curious what what Huss's strategy in the portal is going forward. If he goes for uh guys from mid-majors that did really well and put up big numbers, does he go with guys that have kind of flamed out from power five?

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Yes, that maybe have multiple years left. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_05 27:00

So there's high point have any like 25-year-olds that haven't played in four years left? Uh pass.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

That's just a waste of emotion. It'll be uh discussion for maybe a little down there. Yeah, that's that's how we're not today, not today, not today. Positive. But yeah, like I don't know, you you look at positive you look at like different guys throughout Max Max careers, like uh you know, Marcus Foster's a guy who came from a power five that I don't know, his sophomore year. I don't even remember his numbers, but obviously his freshman year was unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Yeah, um sophomore year was the weird like getting benched and yeah, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

And so kind of took a risk, took a risk on that.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

Yeah, it really did.

SPEAKER_04 27:46

That worked out so well.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

And then like uh I don't know, like a Mo Mo Watson comes from Alex O'Connell. Yeah, yeah, like Alex O'Connell comes from.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Super athletic guy that wants to play, but it's kind of you know he's gonna get over-recruited at Duke. Yeah. So, you know, hey, go get him and you get two years with him, you know, things like that.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Yeah. Well, then you yeah, you go you go with the Mo Watson route where was was really good at Boston, and and then that was back in the time where they had a city year. Right. So I don't know. I feel like there's very different things. They bought Kansas. I just feel like there's so many different ways that you can uh go about the portal that obviously budget helps a lot, but you still, you know, I mean, I'm sure we spent a lot on Owen Freeman and and that didn't work out. But you you just kind of gotta be, I don't know, trust trust your guts, trust your instinct with guys and and go where maze wear. Um I feel like like what we were saying with high point, like Huss clearly kind of has a eye for guys he can bring in and an eye for talent. And that's even going back to his lube is what I his high school days. Yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

Which sounds weird when you're talking about a Power Five coach, but his ability to just kind of narrow things down, evaluate, navigate talent there. I think that goes a long way. I think he has some great ties from that.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Oh, god, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:17

That leads to a lot of back doors that obviously you're not gonna see in the uh channels that would you know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna talk my way out of that one.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

And I'm curious if he is yeah, if he's gonna be more of a like a rental kind of like mercenary type type of portal guy, or like yeah, like you were saying, like a multiple year guy. I don't know. It's it'll all be interesting to see going forward. And and we'll see it in a month.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Then our our rock current roster now. I mean, you is Jason Green gonna be on Huss's his captain?

SPEAKER_05 29:53

I feel a lot more confident that Jason Green will still be on the team than some other guys will still be on the team. But I don't I don't want to I don't want to overdo the looking forward at the roster thing. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I want to stick to the back thing today.

SPEAKER_04 30:06

Yeah, that's absolutely fine. I no, I I just was that was my one tid. Okay. I'd because I'm with you. I don't want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_05 30:14

Jason Green, yes. Jason Green is staying.

SPEAKER_04 30:16

I just kind of wanted to piss you off.

SPEAKER_05 30:18

No, I'm not I'll put all my chips in behind that Jason Green is staying. I don't I don't I'm not gonna doubt that.

SPEAKER_04 30:24

And look at that.

SPEAKER_05 30:25

The reaction. Yeah, you know, you got you got me there. I love you. I love you, Pat. I know we we did the whole we we got all summer, all spring, all fall to toss it up.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Let's just go win the fucking crown, baby. That's all I want. I love Ruckers.

SPEAKER_05 30:40

You heard it.

SPEAKER_04 30:41

Play.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

I mean Jersey trash. Really? Creighton's really good in Vegas.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

So no. But you know what?

SPEAKER_01 30:50

This is gonna be the Thanksgiving. The perfect swan song to Max Creighton career is flipping the tide. So I have whatever crank.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

I have never been to a single Crate game in Vegas.

SPEAKER_04 31:02

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 31:03

For how many day played there, it's a wild fact. And for how much you can play. And I've been getting pushed hard that maybe this is the one even prior to today's news.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

Yeah. I mean, you yeah, Christian's been on your ass. I love you, Christian. Um, but he's been really on you to get down there. Because you have points I don't know. What if it happens? I can't afford it.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

What if it happens, though?

SPEAKER_04 31:23

Then go. Go, my friend. Go west. What's that? Horace Greeley. Yeah. Go Horace Greeley, go west, young man. I don't know. I to end it on that sort of a near positive note.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

He needs you. They need you.

SPEAKER_04 31:41

I think you should go. Even though I want to watch the games with you because you're a great friend. But I think maybe going is the right thing to do.

SPEAKER_05 31:50

Alright, well, we'll start making calls. I'm sorry, Sophia.

SPEAKER_04 31:54

Uh sorry, producer, Sophia.

SPEAKER_05 31:58

They've lost their title. Pat is all the producing. Uh yeah. But there's they produce Christian's open to it and maybe opening his couch to me for three days if needed, if we lose to Rutgers, I will consider it. They'll produce. Um no, I'll we'll stick with the Mac thing.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

Oh my god, they're gonna be mad at me. Um yes. It's just about Mac today. And we think we got the Hust talk done. I mean, we could talk about his staff, but we it's it's still too early to really March. We had time. Yeah. I mean, we were just thinking who's gonna stay, but fuck that. Maybe they'll they'll probably all get offers.

SPEAKER_05 32:38

You know, like there's not a player on this team that will get oh no, no, I meant uh our staff.

SPEAKER_04 32:44

Or like unless he's Huss is already guaranteed the returners. I'm saying Mitch Trey, um Kellogg's Kellogg's gotta be gone.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

Um he's just too his pedigree. Nasbet followed him from high point, so you would assume he's probably staying on the staff.

SPEAKER_04 33:03

Yeah. I moved all yeah, he's like I moved all the way to fucking Omaha and he's firing him.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Thanks, thanks for the year.

SPEAKER_05 33:13

Thanks, buddy. Good times.

SPEAKER_04 33:19

Oh but I I think that's all we got anything else?

SPEAKER_02 33:24

I don't I love him.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

I mean any good times, any bad times, any times?

SPEAKER_04 33:31

There's never been a bad time, even on Down Years.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

I think I mean they the cutting down the nets, CHI, that Seton Hall game, like that'll always be uh right before the world shut down.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

Yeah, it's super spinner bus. Shut the fuck up. We are not the we've ruined his legacy. The bear's party bus that takes us to yeah. That's fair, because the whole world had it. Oh, it's just our fault. Yeah. I just I just think supported first Douglas County reporting, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

I just think you know what everybody's talked about, which is what he's done for the community. I mean, I don't think we can talk about it enough, you know. Like we've talked about it. Obviously, we love him for everything he did on the court for Creighton basketball. Um, but like an individual that was never too big for his britches, you know, like honestly, like needed somebody wanted a picture, he took a picture, somebody wanted an autograph, he gave an autograph. Like he was never it he understood what Creighton basketball meant to like not only us, but like to younger generations to keep them growing into being bigger Creighton fans. Like, you know, I I told the I sent the pictures out, like, you know, I gotta do the um sit on the bench, sit behind the bench for the last home game, for the Providence game. So like we got to go into the locker room and it's before the game. And Coach Mac stopped and took a picture with us, you know. Little did we know that was gonna be Mac's last home game, which is super cool. But like for him to take the time out to take a picture to introduce himself to my son, like that is a memory my son will never forget, and now you have a lifelong Creighton fan.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

Do you oh yeah, right? I mean, those like those are the things, you know. That's the stuff that we grew up on. When I was yeah, when I was your son's age, I remember Dana telling like getting um my friend Neil and I back into the civic auditorium um locker room. Like told Karen, loved Barrett's as well. Dana did, and that's he's the same kind of guy. Like I mean, I'm not trying I know it's Max Day, but those those kind of coaches are what Creighton's about. Yes. That's exactly how you build relationships uh compounded with good basketball. Oh yeah, and you create programs that can last f through thick and thin.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

Yeah, it didn't it didn't hurt that he was a really, really good coach on board. Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Like that's that's the thing. Is he was X and O's, like the guy was amazing, like out of bounds plays, you know, the stuff he drew up, especially Doug when Doug was here, and everybody knew Doug was getting the ball, and he still had plays to get Doug open looks. Like that, that right there is an amazing coach.

SPEAKER_04 36:33

But also, Doug had was playing alongside a great coach. Yeah, not Grant Gibbs, who was already like in his mind, that helps his court vision alone was like, I got this. Yeah, Greg, let me write this. Maybe he did, like you know, I'm gonna get Doug the ball. Don't worry, Dad. Shut up, Dad. Dad, let Grant talk.

SPEAKER_05 36:58

Well, you know Gibbs waved his ass off.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

I'm sure he he drew up the plane, then Grant just winked at him. Like, you know, we'll run that. Doug, fuck your dad.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

I'm gonna get you the ball though. Yeah, I'm still passing you the ball. I'll do it my way.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

Just get to the top of the key. I'll make it happen. Okay. But yeah, there's this, you know, of course, frustrations throughout the years with Craig's ex nose.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

I mean, yeah, I mean, we there's been times where we call a time it out!

SPEAKER_04 37:36

Yeah, yeah. Timeouts and I don't give a yellow.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

That might be the number one thing. And frustration is lack of timeouts like next year.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

We will have one game where we don't have a timeout left with like 30 seconds left, and we're like, what the fuck is that doing? Why didn't we keep that timeout? What did he call it for?

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Why don't we have three timeouts left with a minute left? He called a timeout with 8:30 left on the clock when the immediate timeout is just a shot clock away. Yeah, no, I can't wait for that. I'll be the first one.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Hand up.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

That's gonna be me.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

I do think why did he call a timeout? We had transition numbers. Fucking dumbass. How are we doing?

SPEAKER_05 38:22

Um coach. You know, we didn't we didn't talk about me.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

We didn't talk about his you know sketchy uh recruiting past where you know he did sleep with a mom to get a recruit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh just a that's just an all-time quote. Right.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

He did he did get that kid Doug here. He might even be his dad. Like take him for test. He was fucked with his mom for a while. I think like 18 years even sounds long. Um but also I I think uh no, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

Yeah, we're not uh you can find all the stats and all that good stuff elsewhere. That's not really our career achievements and all that shit. Everybody knows what that is. That's not really our job.

SPEAKER_04 39:14

Their Wikipedia has a coaching tree. Just go to that. I don't want to go through that. It's really good. We'll just put it back. It is actually quite impressive.

SPEAKER_05 39:23

We'll be able to people doing really good, legitimate work that we don't even just copy and paste through.

SPEAKER_04 39:30

Bunch of Power Five coaches and the best mid-major coaches in the nation.

SPEAKER_05 39:36

I we'll we'll do uh I will say I think Steve Lutz is about to be a problem in a couple of years. That's gonna be my only charge of tree comment.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

I that Oklahoma State job feels like it's just a sleeping giant.

SPEAKER_05 39:50

I I think he's gonna be awards. I think he's gonna work Star Awards from there very soon.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Wait, what you think he's I think Boynton Boynton was so bad that we're trying to redo what he did.

SPEAKER_05 40:06

That is my one. I think Lutz is about to be the next, if you want to call him the next odds or whatever, the next he's about to be the next absolute wagon on that coaching tree.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

I mean he loves that. Done it every everywhere he's gone.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

Yeah, Corpus Christie.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

You think wins you think he's he'll move on from Oklahoma State?

SPEAKER_05 40:22

If not this year next, a million percent. I would I would back that. I mean, to it to a good fucking job.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

I like that. I mean, I I always cheer for him. I mean watching him and everything.

SPEAKER_05 40:35

Maybe I have bias, is that I've just been riding Lutz, and Lutz just keeps winning, keeps covering, he keeps winning conferences and all that good shit. He flipped Oakie State.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

They were dead. No time, yeah, they were dead.

SPEAKER_05 40:48

I mean, even where they had the cadecade era and uh pretty much lost their soul after that.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

And then, yeah, didn't their big booster die?

SPEAKER_05 40:58

Two T-Boon, Ton, yeah, and he was and he was and he was more football anyway. Now everyone can pay players. It sounds like an oil magnet. Yeah, that that's my that's my only coaching tree.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

I've always loved their gym. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:14

Oh, do you? I don't.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

All right, that's enough about Steve Lutz. Good job, Mac. Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

That was I had one coach. There's 50 we could have talked about. I had no comment on one.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

We'll do we'll do crown talk, right? Oh no, we're gonna do we'll be back. This is not the last episode, folks, because we didn't know if we were in the crown, our last episode uh from this one. And now we know we're in the crown, so you will see us again. The show never ends. Please pay for me to see. Well, now I think there's I think it was a good thing to announce it for the crown. I think now he's like Well, now we're gonna go. Well, now people are gonna more more attendance, I think that and the players are gonna say, let's fucking win it all.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Yeah. I mean, I I think that was a massive thing in all of this. I think they wanted to go to the crown because they announced it because I think at that point McDermott already knew he was done. Yeah. And his last ride.

SPEAKER_04 42:17

Yeah, he gets a small last ride.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Yeah, and no, we're not gonna we're not gonna be like those other schools that Coach K did a whole year, you know. We're yeah, yeah. I love it. We don't need chairs for Mac from other schools. Yeah, like come on.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

I'm sure Hurley will send up something nice, yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

His bottle of pea that he drinks.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

I don't know how many times I've told every game. I'm always like, what is he drinking? Like, we talked about this three days before. I don't know. It's weird.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

His bottle of pee. That's great. But um, his flights have doubled since last week.

SPEAKER_05 43:01

This is bad news.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Oh, fuck that. Those Rutgers fans are chewing up the flights. Well, it's probably TS. There might be greater issues going on. It's a good it's a complete catastrophe. Oil prices are up. Yeah. Let's not go there, but yeah. Um but yeah, the country's in peril, so we need we need college basketball. Um, but yes, I I bet it's gonna be hard to get there. Drive, drive, drive, drive, drive.

SPEAKER_05 43:26

280 went to 450 real quick.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

I'll do it. That's because now Mac retired, so everybody's everybody's gone.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

I checked the stocks today. Well, either way, we'll be back. And that's um what game one's April seventh, April 2nd.

SPEAKER_05 43:47

Third, third, or yeah, second, fourth, and fifth.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Yeah, and Mike just reminded me that I have that Friday off. Good Friday.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Friday. Oh, nice holy Thursday, 9 30 on Holy Thursday.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

This is ours. So yeah, there's McDermott's. An Irish Catholic. I'm an Irish Catholic. Good Friday means a lot. But let's uh let's reconvene on April 2nd for the Crown and for the McDermott walk off. We love you. We'll see you soon. Blue is at the meat.