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A Simpler Bare Metal Finish and Pencil Weathering with Chris Wallace:Episode 148
What does it take to create a convincing bare metal finish without tearing your hair out? How can simple pencils transform your weathering game? And is it even possible to complete a quality model in just 48 hours?
In this episode, we're joined by Chris Wallace of Model Airplane Maker fame to tackle some of modeling's most intriguing challenges. Chris shares his surprising success using Vallejo metallics for bare metal finishes—a method that proves both bulletproof against masking and remarkably straightforward to apply. The secret? A proper black base coat, vigorous shaking, and a wider spray pattern that delivers smooth, consistent coverage.
We also dive into the subtle art of pencil chipping techniques, where Chris candidly admits his journey from creating "airplane measles" to achieving realistic wear patterns. The key insights? Keep those pencil points razor-sharp and work from good reference photos that show authentic wear patterns. This approach delivers scale-appropriate weathering that can be easily adjusted or completely removed if things go awry—a rare second chance in the modeling world.
The conversation shifts to the concept of speed builds, with Dave revealing plans for a five-day Hellcat build challenge with fellow modeler Jim Bates. We debate the merits of compressed building timelines, strategic approaches to quick builds, and how to select appropriate subjects for these time-limited projects. Whether you're a methodical builder or someone looking to increase your completion rate, there's wisdom here for every approach.
From upcoming model shows to exciting new kit announcements (including Fine Molds' eagerly anticipated F-104), this episode celebrates both the technical challenges and pure joy of scale modeling. Join us for an hour of insights, techniques, and the camaraderie that makes this hobby so rewarding.
What's your most challenging modeling technique? Have you ever attempted a speed build? We'd love to hear your experiences—share them with us and join the conversation!
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Mike:Folks, welcome to episode 148, the last feature episode of the month of September. Dave, how you doing.
Kentucky Dave:I'm doing great. How about you?
Mike:Fine, and we got somebody in the third chair. Folks have heard before Mr Chris Wallace of Model Airplane Maker. Fame and fortune, chris, how you doing.
Chris Wallace:I'm doing very well, especially after that introduction.
Kentucky Dave:Thank you, Chris is the first snow falling yet.
Chris Wallace:No, don't remind me, that's coming. That is coming too soon.
Kentucky Dave:We're just starting to get cool nights and some cool rain and the leaves falling, so I figured you were probably two, three inches deep in snow by now, maybe the day after.
Chris Wallace:Halloween that's usually when we have to start worrying about those things.
Kentucky Dave:Oh man, Well, good luck. Well, more time to sit in your basement and model right. Good point, that's true.
Mike:Well, Chris, we always start with our guests. What is up in your model sphere this month? What's going on?
Chris Wallace:Well, I first want to begin with just complimenting you on your timing, that you get me on your show for the 148th episode. I think that was just serendipitous.
Mike:Ah, you know, I didn't even think of that. Perfect, absolutely perfect timing.
Kentucky Dave:I'll admit that, for those that don't know, that means that we got to kick him off right now, Mike. We can't have a whole episode with him going around telling us how great 48 scale is.
Chris Wallace:That's fine. That's fine, it absolutely is. So what is up this weekend coming up? I don't know if the show will be out in time, though, but I'm going to be at a local hobby show. It used to start off as a model car contest, but they've expanded it to just all models. It's run by my local hobby shop here in Ottawa. It's called the Ottawa Scale Model Contest. It's a pretty descriptive title. So I'll be there and I'm even going to be presented. They've asked me to actually make a presentation, so I'll be doing that too. What are you going to be presenting? They asked me to present on just some skills stuff, so I'll be talking about filling in gaps and pencil chipping, which I think we're going to be talking about later on in the episode.
Kentucky Dave:Well, it's funny. You should say that, because Mike and I are both going to be at a model contest this weekend too.
Mike:We are, and, dave, I'll just move to you on that what's up in your model sphere?
Kentucky Dave:Well, the model show season is in full swing. You and I are going to be at a model contest. The local club, Military Modelers Club of Louisville, is holding their annual invitational this weekend, the 27th of September, and you and I will be there at Pariquet Springs in Shepherdsville, Kentucky. We're going to have a great time. I know my model sphere is too full of things that aren't modeling related, but I am making modeling progress. I'm super excited. I'm jazzed for to get to the bench to work on stuff. I've got plans. I'm already virtually modeling ahead my next project or the one after that. You know how that goes.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, I know, I do a lot of that, yeah, so what's up in your model sphere?
Mike:Well, it's the show. I'm excited about coming to Shepherdsville on Saturday and seeing that facility again after so long. Yeah, Unfortunately you were weathered out last year I was weathered out last year, but before that had been a long, long time since we were at that facility Because we had the show at our club, basically our clubhouse, the space we share with the Louisville Car Club, and you know I've not seen some of our club members since the last time we were at the venue we'd been using most recently before Paraket Springs.
Mike:So, looking forward to it. I remember the facility. It's going to be a great time and hopefully no seriously inclement weather this time.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, we don't need another wind lightning storm that knocks power out right.
Mike:No Other than that man. I'm looking forward to seeing Inch and everybody that comes by the table.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah Well, gentlemen, we are recording an episode, so I'll start with Mr Wallace. Mr Wallace, do you have a modeling fluid?
Chris Wallace:Well, if I'm going to be on this particular podcast, I have to have a modeling fluid.
Kentucky Dave:I was going to say it is required.
Chris Wallace:So, yes, I do, and I'm actually. It's resting on my very sought after plastic model mojo coaster here, so I'm happy to be using it, and it is just easy. Easy breezy Seagram's VO with some ice. That's all I'm doing.
Kentucky Dave:Oh, ok, there's nothing wrong with the classics. I can see you in the in an advertisement, and Playboy in the late 70s, early 80s. You know, velvet smoking, jacket, cigar or cigarette.
Chris Wallace:Lots of chest hair.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, lots of chest hair. Of course, being Canadian, that has a dual use. It helps keep you warm, man.
Mike:He's going to cause an international incident tonight. Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Kentucky Dave:It's a good choice. Nothing wrong with that modeling fluid choice, mike. How about you? I'm drinking a beer tonight, dave, good, good. What beer are you drinking?
Mike:Bruelligans New England style India pale ale. Is that what you're drinking too?
Kentucky Dave:That, indeed, is what I'm drinking.
Mike:Well, I didn't steal your thunder, so go for it, man.
Kentucky Dave:Second shift brewing out of St Louis Bruligans. It's a New England style India pale ale given to us by my fellow IPMS board member, bob Delaney, at the Nationals, and he gave us enough that you and I could split it, so we're both having that tonight. It'll be an interesting contrast to see what you think of it versus what I think of it.
Mike:Was that you or Chris? Fine one too, that was me.
Chris Wallace:My arm's not that long.
Mike:Well, while you're pulling down the first, drag off that, dave, let's get into some listener mail. Sounds good, all right. Well, chris, if you got any comment you can just jump into. Sure, how about that Sounds good? Well, the first one's another show. You know we covered two in the show spotlight, but this one's coming up September 27th, so not well, same. That's Saturday. That's the same same day as our show, yeah, and the same day as Chris's show, and this was sent to us by Charles Rice and it's Falcon 25. And it's in the greater Charlotte area, in Mooresville, north Carolina, nine to three at the Charles Mack center. I'll put this link in the show notes and, man, if I don't forget, I'll put the put the PDF in the uh on the dojo as well, but sponsored by a fast Raceway and Hobbies in IPMS Race City. I guess that's Charlotte, or if it's Bob Bear's home chapter too, I can't remember.
Kentucky Dave:That might be Bob Bear's home chapter. I don't know.
Mike:So all kinds of shows, yeah, in Canada and here Up next from the inquiry last episode, tim Nelson confirms that he did give us the Woodinville whiskey. So, glad he clarified that.
Kentucky Dave:Yep. I confirmed that with Mr Bates as well.
Mike:And we need to get Tim arranged for an appearance because I have an idea in November. We'll talk about that later. So, tim, keep your an idea in November, we'll talk about that later. So, tim, keep your, keep your calendar open. In November we may want to talk to you. Keep an eye on your email. That's right. Keep an eye on your email.
Mike:Next, dave is Bruce Binkson and he's in the San Francisco area. Yes, san Francisco, california and he sent us his last year. He sent us his 2023 year in models. It was a synopsis of all his builds and some photographs and a little bit of text around. He says well, he's done that again for 2024. Bruce, I wish you'd just put this on the dojo. You do great work and I know everybody else would like to see it. One other thing from a comment in episode 142, our least favorite modeling company or model company, yep. Now, this is interesting because right now we have the same one, bruce. His is Bronco Models and he's built their 135th scale early M24 Chaffee. You know, sounds like the engineering on. This one is, by his words has mocked, insulted and ridiculed him the entire time.
Kentucky Dave:Oh, and that's what you want in a model kit, right?
Mike:Yeah, exactly, chris. You ever get one like that. Oh, I've gotten a couple. I've gotten a couple, that's for sure. I think maybe I'm trying to think in the aircraft realm 948th, your chosen scale, I don't know. But I know a lot of the Kitty Hawk kits tend to be looking great, but not so much once you get into them.
Chris Wallace:I heard that too, and I never had the chance to build one. Yeah, I heard the same. They've been quite a challenge, especially with all those open panels that never quite lined up properly, that type of thing.
Mike:Well, a large swath of that stuff's available again. Maybe I'll get you one for Christmas.
Kentucky Dave:There, you go.
Mike:No, okay, right after Nats I was talking to our friend Mike Idekavage down in Marietta and just want to reiterate to him it gets into this whole community building aspect of this hobby and kind of the the effects the podcast has had on our lives. Dave and you know, I just was talking to him about reconnecting and he reiterated how cool that was after all these years to uh reconnect after our our brief intersection of lives there back in tennessee, back in the in mid80s, and he's offered to maybe give us a session on liquid 3D print materials, the resins. Ooh, that's his Right. He's a chemical, he's a chemical chemist or chemical engineer by vocation. I think he's retired now, but this was kind of the last thing he was kind of doing. He's still doing some conference work along that line. So, mike, another one to watch out for your email.
Kentucky Dave:We want to probably take you up on that that'd be really interesting.
Chris Wallace:Yeah, chris, you got a printer you do have a printer, I do, and I don't know anything about the resins, except obviously, the more you pay quote, unquote, the better it is. I have no idea why, but I would love to know more about that actually.
Mike:And they're kind of toxic too. You probably know that.
Chris Wallace:Uh-huh, yep, that's right, it's right underneath the blower. Get all that stuff out of the basement, for sure.
Mike:Well from Germany. Dave is Michael Rees, uh-huh Evan's friend over there in Germany, hamilcar Barkas. He recently had the pleasure of doing a challenge build a one 72nd scale aircraft.
Kentucky Dave:All right, everybody's coming home.
Mike:The title is one 72nd scale Aircraft models are easy Exclamation point.
Kentucky Dave:Well good, I'm glad he got an easy one.
Mike:So they had a group build trying to do a speed build project. They picked the Edward FW 190 series. He's got the F8 in 72nd scale and their goal was to do it in nine hours. Well, nobody finished it, but he kept track of his time and by the time most guys were done it was between 12 and 16. He was on the low side of that. He's got assembly two hours and 35 minutes, paint and decals seven hours and 10 minutes, and weathering and final touches two hours and 15 minutes for an even 12 hours.
Kentucky Dave:Well, remind me when, at the end of the episode about this email cause, I got a little, a little surprise hatched up.
Mike:Okay, you have to remind me, to remind you.
Kentucky Dave:I'll remind you, to remind me, to remind you.
Mike:Well, this is interesting, he says hope this doesn't discourage you, Dave, but instead inspires you to be a bit more determined and courageous.
Kentucky Dave:Well, hey, I have twice completed a blitz bow where I built, painted, decaled, the whole nine yards an aircraft model 72nd scale aircraft model in two consecutive 12 hour sessions. Chris, you ever done one of these things.
Chris Wallace:I've attempted to a couple of times and I tried really hard, Mike, but didn't quite get underneath the. It was one of those 48-hour builds or long weekend builds.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah.
Chris Wallace:And I didn't quite, Even though I was quite strategic about it, like it was wheels up, closed cockpit, anything I could do to reduce the amount of work. But other things in life sometimes take over and I just can't quite get it done. But I came close, I came close. Here's a good thing. I eventually did finish the model. Well good. It just didn't make it in the time requirement.
Mike:So two points before we move on from this one. One is we're going to get to revisit this at the end of shop talk, Cause that's one of the that's. The third topic is short builds, so so there's that. The other is this is really more of a time compression exercise than a speed build in a lot of cases. Right, I would. I would suspect, Dave, if you added up the sum total of all the hours you spent on some of your projects, even though they took months and months and months, just like mine, it was probably 12 hours.
Kentucky Dave:It probably was Right, right, right. I don't doubt that. I suspect that is true.
Mike:Well, mike, thanks for that. Good to hear from you man. Maybe we'll see him over here on this side of the ocean again sometime.
Kentucky Dave:And Mike post a picture of a completed model on the dojo.
Mike:Well, he sent pictures and said it was all right if I did. Oh, okay, he can do that himself if he likes. Yeah, maybe I have to add him to the dojo, or maybe he's not a Facebook guy, I don't know. I don't know, wouldn't, wouldn't hold that against him, yeah, well, my last one on the email side is from John Lee's and he's from Elgin, illinois, and he has, I've often knocked the, the Pache model H. Right, you know, airbrushing with a banana, right. Well, this is what he got started on way back when. Oh, a lot of people did, and he just could not believe the windows displays of his hobby shop, local hobby shop, when he was a kid. Most of the people were using this thing, so he ended up getting one. As life goes on, he ended up with some Iwatas and H&S airbrushes. Fast forward to today.
Kentucky Dave:He had some new floors installed in his house and they had to put it in a new air diffuser register in the baseboards.
Mike:You know what he did, what he masked his sucker off and got the gloss white alkyd enamel and thinned it out and dug out the old Pache Model H and painted his trim work and his air register with it.
Kentucky Dave:Nice, I bet you that's the best darn looking trim work in any house you'll ever go into Nice and smooth finish.
Mike:Yeah, exactly Fairly good use of that airbrush, I would think.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, honey, I'm going to use the airbrush to paint the living room. It'll only take three months.
Mike:I don't think he did all the trim. I think he did the area around where he had to cut out for the register, sure, but anyway. Well, john is also recently retired, or is approaching retirement. He wanted to tell you that he still has the first book he ever bought my kind of guy. He comes at this because he's decided to return to his first modeling love, which was Great War Biplanes.
Kentucky Dave:Oh, good choice. Now here I'm going to utter a heresy Great War Biplanes, I think, is a subject where you should build in 48 scale or 30 second scale, of course. Then again, william of Dare is doing them in 144 scale, scratch built, so you know. But that's one where I am willing to admit. 70 second scale simply is a little too small to do that comfortably, although there are plenty of people out there who do it.
Mike:That's a big claim by Dave right there.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, that's right. Or a recommendation? Yep, you're not going to hear that often.
Mike:The earth may have shifted enough on its axis to give Ottawa perpetual late spring.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, that would be a good that would be. If that happens, you owe me a Wallace.
Chris Wallace:I just see all these gentlemen scale builders just getting their pitchforks and their torches.
Kentucky Dave:They're coming hunting for me, that's right.
Mike:I'll just say he had it coming, man Well, the book was the fighters by Thomas Funderburk.
Kentucky Dave:Okay.
Mike:Circa 1963. Yep, I am familiar with the book the Fighters by Thomas Funderburk. Okay, circa 1963. Yep, I am familiar with the book.
Kentucky Dave:Was it a birthday gift For me? No, I probably took it out of my school library. You're not that old. Yes, I am.
Mike:Okay, are you really 63?
Kentucky Dave:I was born in 61. Okay.
Mike:All right, yeah, I knew it was 61. Okay, all right, yeah, I knew it was close. I'm old, he closes. Remember your stash is your painting mule.
Kentucky Dave:That's exactly right, he's right.
Mike:Chris, do you ever get the knack to do a World War? I plane.
Chris Wallace:I've done a 148 scale. I think it was the. It was all white David, help me out. I think it was the F. It was all white David, help me out. I think it was the Fokker seven. Is that what?
Kentucky Dave:that. Yeah, the Fokker G seven, the one that was in all white. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's the one you're talking about.
Mike:Wasn't like an Aurora, albatross or something.
Chris Wallace:No, no, it was. It was an Edward, I think, and 48 scale kit and it's gorgeous. I got everything done right, but, david, I could not get that top wing to top wing. Do you know what I mean? I could not get the top wing to top wing for me and it just looked a little odd.
Kentucky Dave:Alignment on World War I aircraft, biplane aircraft that is an art.
Chris Wallace:But if you looked at it with your head tilted slightly and one eye slightly closed, it was great. It looked really, really nice.
Kentucky Dave:That's the way I recommend viewing all of my models.
Mike:Well, I would do something like put all the wing struts on backwards, so the top wings sets behind the lower wing.
Kentucky Dave:You know there was an actual aircraft like that in World War I, where they did that intentionally, probably wasn't the one I was building, though?
Mike:Probably not. Well, Dave, what are the DMs looking like? The DMs?
Kentucky Dave:are hopping the first DM from our friend Kevin Hedrick at Kit Masks. He DMed me with a link to a YouTube video where a builder was building the old 72nd scale G8N1 Rita. This is a very early Hasegawa kit from the 70s. It was one of two attempts by Japan to do a four-engine strategic bomber and it's an old kit. I mean, that's right up Kevin's alley as far as creating masks for old kits, but this was a YouTube video and he knew that I would have an interest in it so he shot me the link and I really appreciate him doing that because I love to love to see stuff like that now, what kind of build was it?
Mike:was it a an opus type thing, or is it just how to get the best out of it, out of the it?
Kentucky Dave:was more house how best to get he best out of it out of the box. It was more how best to get the builder did some improvement. I'll drop a link in the dojo so everybody can see it. But it wasn't one where somebody was scratching every last detail, but it was making the best out of the kit as it exists.
Chris Wallace:Sorry, what scale would that have been? Is that 48 or no?
Kentucky Dave:72nd scale, 72nd, god's one true scale man. That thing would be big in 48 scale. It would be bigger than a 48 scale B-17.
Mike:Wow, yeah, that would be fairly large.
Kentucky Dave:Listener, brian Bennett DM'd me. I've sold a few things on the dojo lately. The battery in the Volvo died and so man car batteries have gotten expensive. When did that happen? So I sold a few excess kits and books on the dojo. Brian bought some, but he DMed me.
Kentucky Dave:He's an over-the-road trucker and he likes to listen to the podcast while he's traveling and he had stopped for the night and shot me a photo of the modeling fluid that he was having that evening at the end of a long day, and I like seeing that stuff. Guys, when you have a new modeling fluid, put it in a picture of your model bench or whatever and tell us a little bit about it, because I really do like learning about all the different beers and stuff out there that maybe is very regional and therefore you don't get a lot of exposure to it. So please do that, and I appreciate Brian for doing that. The next DM was from our friend, dr Geldmacher, who organizes the September's group build every year, and the group build that he organized for Norfolk was the group build of aircraft from like 1925 to 1950s aircraft that has served in the Norfolk Hampton Roads area, and he then took the collection with him because he takes it to contests in his region.
Kentucky Dave:And he DM'd me because he's not stopped, even though the Nationals has passed and technically we're done with that group build, he's actually adding to it. He's actually building, in this case, a Flyhawk SBD that he's going to add to the collection. And you got one too. Yes and yeah, and he and I are meeting up so I can get him. The Bearcat. Next is our friend and fellow podcaster, the podfather Dave Goldfinch, who reached out to me because, of course, they opened the hotel room blocks for the Nationals in Fort Wayne, which is, I think, about as early as they have ever done that. That's what I was thinking.
Mike:I said something to you about it the other day.
Kentucky Dave:Yes, and so he reached out to me to confirm they were open and talk about it. And then he went ahead and got a room, it. And then he went ahead and got a room. But he is coming in for 2026 and he's going to to be at Casa de Nights and then we're going to do some stuff and then head up to Fort Wayne, so looking forward to having the Aussie back in town. Chris, are you going to make it? Do you know who else is going?
Kentucky Dave:David, I, I'm hoping my favorite Canadian, evanan mccollum man, that was low yeah, that, that's a low blow, my friend well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry you teed that one up.
Chris Wallace:I mean, even a san francisco giant could have hit that one man and the hits just keep on coming, the hits just keep on coming, the hits just keep on coming. Yes, despite the fact you're going to be there, david, I am going to go. I am going to go to Fort Wayne and hang out with you guys.
Kentucky Dave:And we're going to a baseball game. Absolutely, we are, absolutely, we are going to a baseball game. Looking forward to that. The next DM is our friend Stephen Lee Spru pie with frets, who dm'd me because and I think this is the second time this has happened to him- oh, I saw this a.
Kentucky Dave:You know the, the, the store brand super glues that are bob smith industries, yeah, yeah. And then the local hobby shop buys them and they usually put a label on them with the local hobby shop information For the. I think the second time he's had one of those things explode, oh, burst open. Maybe explode is too energetic a word, but burst open and then of course spill out and dry. And of course he had it somewhere where it was in a drawer and it ended up ruining a whole bunch of tools and supplies that were in that drawer with that bottle of super glue. And he kind of wondered is he just cursed or is this a thing that's happening? So all the listeners out there, if you've ever had this experience, not just with Bob Smith but with any super glue where the container just ruptures while it's sitting in a drawer or whatever, reach out and let us know, because this is kind of interesting.
Mike:It's not for Steve.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, well, that's right. He lost a bunch of stuff. By the way, he did send also his local club, the Southern Delaware Modelers. Apparently they've taken inspiration from Mike Baskett and decided to build a whole lot of aircraft on catapults.
Mike:Yes, that's the one I saw. I don't think they took inspiration from me or not.
Kentucky Dave:I mean, it's a really interesting subject and well, we're, we're taking the story that they took the inspiration from you, whether they did or not.
Mike:I have to wonder is it one person or multiples? That's what I didn't gather from it. That's what I didn't gather from it.
Kentucky Dave:That's a good question. So, Steve, you'll have to reach out and give us a little more info on all those catapult aircraft.
Mike:And reach out to Bob Smith Industries.
Kentucky Dave:Yes, exactly.
Mike:Send him a bill for your tools.
Chris Wallace:I'm glad he could open his drawer. That's nice.
Kentucky Dave:It would have been bad if it was glued shut. Well, I mean the nearest drawer that's nice.
Mike:Yeah, that's right. It would have been bad if it was glued shut. Well, I mean, the nearest thing I've had that happen. I spilled I can't remember which I don't know his testers or tamiya liquid cement on my workbench one time and at the time it spilled I had all my tamiya masking tape dispensers oh, down on the bench and they just all happened to be with the pull-off panel side down, oh, so like Glued to the bench. Two of the three of them got glued together. I can't get them apart anymore. So once the tape ran out I had to get the whole dispenser and everything. So, yeah, that's not like a major disaster, but if you're twofer with super glue blowing up in your storage, that would merit a inquiry to the manufacturer. I would think, yeah, what am I doing wrong or what are you?
Kentucky Dave:doing wrong? What are you doing wrong? Well, the next DM is from Justin Reed, and Justin DMed me because he posted a post in the dojo and it got held for spam clearance. We're still having this problem on the dojo. I'm whitelisting people and that helps somewhat but doesn't cure it. That continues to happen. It is out of our control. I try and catch them and get them posted as quickly as I can. We will tell you that the one thing that I think they all have in common is where they are cross posts, where you are taking a post from another Facebook group or your own Facebook page and cross posting it onto the dojo, and I think that that triggers the spam filter monster, whatever it is, and so those are seem to be the posts that get routinely shunted into spam. If it happens to you, I apologize. If it goes more than 24 hours and you don't see the post, dm me. I'll go check and try and get it found and cleared.
Mike:The spam monster.
Kentucky Dave:The spam monster.
Chris Wallace:It happens on my group too. I have model airplane makers as a private group and I think also what might be triggering it is if someone is multipposting to various groups almost in a small period of time. It just happened today with the president of the local IPMS chapter. He wanted to post another ad for the show and it got thrown right to spam. I think what happened is that he's just well for lack of a better term he's throwing it all over them. He's doing it but it's not actually spam. It is a legitimate announcement. But I think that might also be a trigger for them to quarantine it.
Kentucky Dave:I agree, I think that is indeed what's happening. So just everybody be warned. Finally, on the DM side, david White DMed you, or he DM'd, and he thought I was replying, but it was actually you and he was inquiring about what the Moosaroo subject was, because you know, we had all gotten them, all the podcasts had gotten them, but we really hadn't talked much about it. And so he reached out to inquire and you told him what, mike.
Mike:I told him that I had it and what it was I can't remember exactly off the top of my head, but it'll come up in Bench Top. Halftime Report.
Kentucky Dave:Oh my gosh, Don't tell me, you've already started it.
Mike:I won't tell you until Bench Top Halftime Report Okay.
Kentucky Dave:That's all right. Well, that's the end of the DMs.
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Chris Wallace:What's going on at Model Airplane Maker and what's coming up in the near term. Well, very recently, maybe about a week ago, I put up a video on using Prisma pencils to get some chipping effects on aircraft. Right now I'm working on what I'm calling it's placeholder for now, but I'm calling it the FrankenCorsair, and it's a little bit of a fun project where I'm recycling all of the various Tamiya and Hasegawa Corsair parts I've accumulated over the years and I am upgrading a centuries-old spanked Otaki kit and having a little bit of fun with it, even trying some riveting, trying some new stuff with it. So that should be a fun one to put up.
Mike:Well, we'll also mention Evan McCallum. We already have mentioned him once, but Panzermeister36 on YouTube, and we've mentioned Stephen Lee Spruepowerwithfretz. That's a blog you're going to want to check out A lot of 72nd scale content there. We'll see Jeff Groves, the Inch High Guide our own model show coming up this Saturday, but in the meanwhile, please check out the Inch High Guy blog, another 72nd scale centric blog, and finally, paul Budzik Scale Model Workshop over on Patreon and YouTube. Please check out Paul's efforts right now. He's got a lot of good stuff going on.
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Mike:Well, guys, it's a Shop Talk episode. Yep, I'm looking forward to it. I am too, and that's why we got Mr Wallace here with us, because we're going to get into a couple of topics he's had some recent videos about, and let's dive on in. Well, chris, not your most recent video, but the one just prior was on your Starfighter and your bare metal finish on that one, and I just thought it was a very I don't know I think I told you approachable way to do a bare metal finish.
Chris Wallace:Yeah, because there are some very complicated and involved ways of doing it, that's for sure.
Mike:Oh yeah, there are. So I was interested in this one because you'd actually used a vallejo product on this yep and I thought that was really interesting, because I just don't think that would have been my first choice it wouldn't have been my sixth choice.
Kentucky Dave:Go ahead and tell us I mean the the thing the Vallejo Metallics is, they're acrylic. They're water-based, correct? Yes, I think I've just true acrylics. I've just had very little luck airbrushing. What did you find about the Vallejo product that you liked?
Chris Wallace:Well, let's just back up one stitch, because the reason why I did that and I get into it a little bit in the video is that I love bare metal finishes. I've attempted them countless times, some with more success than others. I would say that one of my greatest successes was with the standard Alclad type of finish, where I mean that's, if you want to get to an involved way of doing bare metal finish, that's one of the more involved ways of doing it. But the last time I did it and it could have and I'll I'll take this as it could have been user error, it could have been me, but when I tried to mask on top of it, I could not it, I just it kept coming off right. So the tape even though I was using pretty weak tape and I was even sort of pre-taping things before putting it on right it still took up some of the finish. So that was the impetus for finding something that was both easy and and passable as a metallic finish and the.
Chris Wallace:The reason why I went with Vallejo is because I used it on the engines of a previous build and I was actually and I was desperate. I went to the hobby shop. I just grabbed whatever was available. I just needed something. It didn't need any mixing. It does need a lot of shaking, like you're going to really shake these things before you use them. But when I sprayed it on, it was no fuss, no muss guys, you put it in the cup, you shoot it on and you're done. And it was bulletproof, absolutely bulletproof, and that's why I said well, I got to try this. Did you thin it at all? Nope, no thinning.
Kentucky Dave:Really.
Chris Wallace:Nothing.
Kentucky Dave:Didn't you watch the video, dave? Yes, I did.
Mike:Yeah, okay, I'm trying to never mind. I. I get the question because there's a lot of paints out there that are quote unquote, airbrush ready and right there there is a, a, a window of application. That that is true.
Kentucky Dave:I think that airbrush ready is probably up there with honest used car salesman yeah, For one of those terms that you hear a lot but isn't really ever true.
Chris Wallace:Right, and the model air stuff? Forget it. It's not airbrush ready and it says model air on it and it tells you it lies to you. You can't put that in your cup and shoot that. It doesn't work, but this stuff did.
Kentucky Dave:You could at like 60 PSI painting a wall.
Chris Wallace:Possibly, that's true.
Mike:For most of the products that are advertised as airbrush ready, there is a range that is okay for for most modeling applications solid colors, things like that primer, whatever they, they'll work, but generally, especially with metallics, that I don't know. Man, that I was surprised. Let's just put it that way well, I sprayed it on.
Chris Wallace:I chose a few colors because the the plane I was going after was is more of an earlier 60s one where they took a lot more care of these things, I suppose. So there wasn't that much dirt accumulated on it. There wasn't that many different panel colors, but there were a few. So I had to mask off the wings, I had to mask off a few of these panels in the back and the masking tape did not look metallic when I took it off, which was great. The reverse side, I mean. And I used a few shades and, like I said, you got to shake them very, very, very, very well. They even have a little BB in it or a bearing or something like that to help you shake it up. But yeah, pour it right in and it cleaned right up with a little bit of lacquer thinner and away you go.
Kentucky Dave:Now, how long did you let each application dry?
Mike:yeah, I'm not a fast builder, so I I typically would do it overnight, but you know 12, 20, 24 hours, something like that so to back up even further, I assume this still had all the the prerequisite kind of building finesse and and undercoating requirements that most metallic finishes have to not show every little pimple that the plastic might have in it.
Chris Wallace:And that's the thing with the bare metal finish. It's a skill that goes beyond what we would totally do with a normal camouflage or a single color. It's because the metallic, for whatever reason, will announce, just like you said, every single flaw, every speck of dust, every sanding scratch you could possibly think that you have dealt with well. Let me tell you that bare metal finish is going to tell the world that you didn't. So, yeah, so I I standard.
Chris Wallace:My standard finishing thing for that was I checked all my seams with a little bit of NATO Black. I polished all those out. Then I went for Gloss Black after that, which also will help you track down any blemishes. And the great thing about that is you just polish it out and put more Gloss Black on it. It's the easiest fix in the world. Put more gloss black on it it's the easiest fix in the world. And the other thing that I tried with this video was a brush that had a wider spray and that helped a lot as well. So because you're doing, you want a nice smooth application and you don't want to sit there and dry like these individual lines of dry airbrushing. You want to have sort of almost a wet application, the broader brush that I use really helped with that.
Mike:I found that interesting too, because just our last episode we had Dr Miller on Dr Strangebrush and talking about bigger needles for primers and just metallics and clear coats and things like that, just for that very reason. And then really, if you mentioned Paul Budzik in the shout outs there or the recommendations, he's got a couple of videos on using. You know there are airbrushes that are there. There's some Awada trigger brushes, pistol grip type brushes, and the same thing you're putting in, you're putting down a higher volume of paint. You're going to get a smoother finish you don't have. You're not trying to blend all these narrow lines by comparison, as you would get using a narrower or smaller tipped airbrush.
Kentucky Dave:So looked like it worked out for you. And how did? Did you lay some where you laid one color of Vallejo and then laid another color of the Vallejo metallic over it? Yes, yes, I did. And how did that work? It didn't lift the layer below or anything like that.
Chris Wallace:No, it went on like butter. It was great. It's one of the easier ways of putting a bare metal finish on that I've ever done. It's still you know it's still not to my mind like absolute perfection, mirror-like finish, but I wasn't going for that necessarily and I'm not saying that this is the only way of doing it. It's just saying if you want a way that is fairly easy to do, certainly not a lot of fuss to get it done, this is a good way of trying. One of the comments that I got on the video was well, you know, it still looks like paint, buddy. The best way of doing this is is with foil, and you know that's probably true. But if you want an involved process of putting on a, bare metal finished I mean, you want to.
Chris Wallace:You want to sit there and suffer for your modeling? That is one great way of doing it, and I've seen so many started projects of bare metal foil. I've seen dozens and dozens and dozens of starts but I have not seen that many finishes. And I wonder if, along the way that people's levels of care give up.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, and I'll be honest with with you I just don't like the results of bare metal foil. I don't think it looks as good I.
Mike:I really don't, but that's just me well, I think a you know, a marginally executed foil model is. You know, it looks like a candy bar, exactly it. You know. Their gaps aren't closed very well and they're not blended well and there's wrinkles. That's when it's not been done that well. But I wouldn't want to do it that way. No, neither would I. Maybe that's a scale modeler's kind of God. What would you call it? Brass ring, the brass ring.
Chris Wallace:Yeah, kind of like a complex vacuform or something like that.
Mike:Yeah, yeah, to pull off a bare metal foil finish or not even bare metal foil brand name. But gosh, there was an article in fine scale years and years ago years ago, where the guy did use candy bar wrappers.
Kentucky Dave:No and wow yeah, and the and the micro foil adhesive. Well, that's one way of doing it?
Chris Wallace:Yeah, there is, but if you want to make another model this year, you might want to consider paint. That's all I'm going to say I agree with you.
Mike:Well, once you had this down, was the masking and decaling just similar to a normal.
Chris Wallace:That was another great benefit too. So I was worried about that as well. Luckily with the kit. So I use the kinetic, the new kinetic cf104 kit, and that has cartograph decals in it. So it's, it's gonna work. It's gonna work just fine, and it did, and so I put them on. I, you can bear I mean, you really really have to zoom in to see the film on those but after a clear coat it's gone and yeah, it still looks pretty metal-y to me.
Kentucky Dave:Now, did you use any sort of setting solution or anything like that on the decal?
Chris Wallace:I used our standard Microsoft Microset.
Kentucky Dave:Okay, and no problem with that affecting the finish at all.
Chris Wallace:No, and I've been on this show before and I have lamented a number of times my dealings with decals over the years and I'm still, don't we all? I'm still in a multi-step program to try to deal with yeah, that's right, but.
Chris Wallace:I did reach out to one of our friends, chris Sieber, because he could always just master these things. Yeah, that's right. I use a baby bottle warmer as my decal reservoir. That is a great choice. And I go hot. I mean you can't stick your finger in there for very long. I go hot and then I put those things on, I press them on. So I put it on a pool of Microset and I press them on with a hot wet paper towel, a hot wet paper towel and that takes care of 90 some odd percent of the settling into the rivets and settling into the panel lines and everything like that. That does a great job.
Mike:It's interesting the warm water came up on the dojo really early when we launched that group. I guess the main benefit I could see that I mentioned there was it's. Decal adhesive is a cellulose-based material. It's like postage stamp glue essentially, and the warmer the water the faster you can dissolve that off and get that thing to come off the paper with a bare metal finish, just like I would with a 60s Navy high vis scheme with the light gray on top or a white on a NASA bird of some kind. Is that stuff? That glue is not clear typically. It typically has a little bit of yellow color to it. Oh, okay, and I would just think, if you didn't get most of that gone, that you might, it might leave a footprint around the decal or something. I don't know if it actually makes that much difference in the softening of the decal. It might, it might. It might help with the micro setting solution to work faster too. I don't know, but I know for sure it'll help get that stuff separated from the paper really quick.
Kentucky Dave:I do think that the hot water, the hotter, the water, it does make the decal softer. It softens it more such that it then will either be pressed down into the details or your micro-sol on it will work more effectively. When you put a decal on that's just barely room temperature water, it doesn't seem to settle down as well.
Chris Wallace:I agree. And one thing that we should let everyone know is I know cartograph decals fairly well. I worked with them quite a bit, so I know that they're going to stand up to this. But if you're going to go hot, hot on something else, test first. Test, really give that test. And I can't remember the name of the manufacturer. But I tried it on another decal and it did not like hot, hot at all. It, I'm gonna say it shrunk, it certainly curled up.
Mike:It was very I could see that happening.
Chris Wallace:It was very upset with me. So if you're gonna try it, give her a test before before you. You know, use that one irreplaceable huge decal. Smack in the middle of the wing, give it. You know, try something on the underside first and give it a try.
Mike:What was the most difficult thing is that the prep ahead of the, the bare metal, finish, I would think would probably be right up there. It's going to be a testament to your, your skills and your eyesight for that thing where you wanted it, and patience too.
Chris Wallace:So with that kit I'll tell you and it will be in a future video because I'll do a full build Everything went pretty smoothly all the way up until I had to put some panels on and you know, wouldn't you know, some of them just would not span the opening that they're supposed to span. So I did a lot of gap filling with some gap filling strategies. It was a little bit disheartening because I thought that this, this kit, was going quite well. But I say that now it's not the end of the world for this to happen. It's a fairly easy fix. It's just. It just takes you off that momentum because we all want to get to that fun painting stage. So yeah, it was. It was getting those gaps all dealt with, smoothing everything out, checking it all over and then going for the gloss black and diving in the deep end.
Mike:All right, you ready to do one. Dave Yep, what's your bare metal thing you want to do?
Chris Wallace:There's a lot of Japanese ones out there for you.
Kentucky Dave:I was going to say a Ki-61 with the green snake pattern over the bare metal. It'd probably be at the top of my list.
Mike:I could do it. It's like a Sabre. Yeah, an early jet.
Kentucky Dave:There's got to be a catapult aircraft that's bare metal?
Mike:I seriously doubt it.
Chris Wallace:Are we sure you don't think there's a couple yellow wing ones available?
Kentucky Dave:Yellow wing catapult fighters Right Well, the fuselages were silver dope oh that's right, that's right, the front panels. The metal panels were usually metal, Actual bare metal.
Mike:But I could see doing a saber jet or something like that.
Chris Wallace:That'd be cool there, you classic choice shooting star.
Mike:Yep well, chris, your latest video was, uh, some chipping with pencils, which I did a little bit of on my japanese float plane. I found it a pretty cool way to do it. It looks like you had a lot of success yourself there. On the on your subject.
Chris Wallace:Well, that was one that I wanted to do, and the impetus for that was I tried pencils years ago and I didn't really put a lot of thought because someone said you know, you gotta, you gotta weather that with some pencils, you gotta make it look like it's been worn a little bit. So of course I went and got myself a Prisma pencil at Michael's, I sharpened it up and then I just I gave my airplane measles and that was just not not the way to go. And I took a look at that and said what in the world did you just do? I put the pencil away, thinking that that was one of the dumbest things that I've ever done. But I've been to a couple of model shows since. I've been to a couple of model shows with our good friend Steve Hustad, and Steve has some amazing effects with the pencils, and so I was sort of like, okay, well, this guy can do this. There's got to be a technique out there.
Chris Wallace:And the impetus behind doing the video is that I really wish someone made a video like this before I gave my airplane measles years ago. There's different ways of doing it, but the whole point of it is if it's a video you're not going to watch. Here's the advice Keep the tip as sharp as possible and get a good reference photo. The rest of it, you'll be able to figure this out. You'll be able to figure it out. But if you have those two things, you can slay this. You can do this quite well.
Kentucky Dave:I agree, and I've just started. I've got the AK pencils and I've started using them and just barely if you'll pardon the pun scratched the surface, but I can see the potential. I really can see the potential, and I'm not there yet. I'm not nearly there yet, but I'm there enough to convince myself. Yeah, there's a lot of promise here, and one of the big things is that if you mess up, you can take it all off and do it again. Yep, and there are not many things you do in modeling where, if you mess up, you can just erase it and do it, try it again. For sure it try it again.
Mike:For sure, I can see getting the AKs off. But if you gaff with the Prisma Silver, what are you doing? How do you fix that?
Chris Wallace:I don't know if you can. I mean, I think if you tried to wipe it off, I think you're going to smudge it, but I'm not too sure.
Kentucky Dave:I'd be interested to see if it could be brought off with an eraser.
Mike:I'm not sure that's a good question well, there's a source of listener feedback for sure. There you go for sure. Luckily I didn't need to. Yeah, but keeping it sharp is was was key. Yes, that's for sure, because you can get kind of out of scale in 70 second scale real quick easily way easily and these pencils are soft, so you know you're gonna be chipping away for a little bit.
Chris Wallace:You're gonna have to stop and sharpen that thing. I'm really serious about that. You're gonna need a pencil sharpener right beside you. Don't worry. These, these things are very cheap. A couple of bucks and you can have a. I think you almost have two, three dollars. You can get two of them. And then and I started in the video I went like I was really small. I was just like rivet head size that I was starting off with and I was working with this great photo that showed me exactly what I wanted to have it end up looking like so the others, the colored pencils used, were they a case?
Mike:yeah, those were all a case now, did you, did you use any of the the water solubility aspect of those in your work? I can't remember.
Chris Wallace:Just kept them sharp, Just kept them sharp, Kept them sharp. And I was varying the color. So I wanted to sort of make it look like the olive drab had been scuffed. So I went with sort of a buff color or, yeah, like a very light brown. I went with a green to make it look like the primer, and then I used a gray to sort of really mark up the walkways. And at the very, very, very end, when I was really happy with what it looked like, I got a little bit of powder, a little bit of Pacific dust and I just lightly dusted it all.
Kentucky Dave:If you haven't tried the water solubility aspect, get yourself a mule and start playing with that, because I've started to play around with that part as well and it has some really interesting capabilities. Like I said, I am convinced that these pencils can be a lot once you want. And, like anything else, it takes practice, practice, practice, just like learning to airbrush.
Chris Wallace:For sure. And the other thing that I got into the video is you really have to look at your subject, because I mean, I've tried the chipping fluid, but for a lot of applications on airplanes these things aren't chipped to pieces. These are typically scuffed and scratched, as opposed to big chunks of paint flying off of it. Now, there are, of course, exceptions to that. It really depends on what you're going after. So one of the commenters in the video said you know, I'm going to start combining this. He had, I think he had a project where he was doing something with chipping fluid and then he was going to bring in the pencils just to do the light scratching at the very end, right? So you can mix and match some of these techniques to get what you're looking for.
Kentucky Dave:No, I agree. I think that's a good point.
Mike:Well, where do you see this going on? A future project. Is there anything else you want to try with the pencils?
Chris Wallace:Well, I'm going to try and scale it down to 72. I got some 72 builds that are coming my way in the mail right now and I'd like to really narrow that down. But again it's going to have to be an exercise of an extremely fine point, like really, really, really sharp and again, finding a great photo. That's the tough one. I would love for some listener to be able to provide me with a website or anything where I could find really good high-res photos of planes in this condition, because going up and down the internet is such a crapshoot in terms of like, yeah, you can get a picture of an airplane, this is true but when you're looking for something really specific like that, like how the wear patterns were or exhaust patterns, stuff like that on even on a period picture, it is hard to find. It is really hard to find.
Kentucky Dave:And I think that's really a good point that is overlooked. You can be really great at the technique, in this case the pencil technique but if you don't do it with reference to an actual photograph or photographs of the model, your model isn't going to look right. Things is subconsciously, I think, your eye knows when the wear patterns and the scratch patterns look right and when they don't. And so I do think that people sit there and they'll say, oh, I'm going to weather this model, and they just start weathering it without any reference to looking at real world examples, and then they don't know why their weathering technique doesn't look quote unquote realistic. Or the plane caught measles, or the plane caught measles.
Mike:What type of subjects are the 72nd scale ones that you're going to try this on?
Chris Wallace:So I'm going to have a PBJ, which is a, a navy variant of the mitchell that was brought about later in the war. What's fascinating? So I'm getting into these sort of like weirdo subjects where I'm just fascinated. So the, the f-104 was fascinating to me because for whatever reason, they let canadians put nuclear weapons on these things and I'm still kind of blown away by that concept.
Chris Wallace:For the pbj, this was being designed to fly off of and recover onto aircraft carriers in late 45, 1946 time period. So I'm just my mind is sort of like that is kind of it'd be looking like an albatross trying to land on a canoe. You know, it just just looked a little bit weird to me. So I'm kind of fascinated with that one.
Chris Wallace:And the other one that I want to do is a well, it's an RCAF, but I think it's an RCAF Boston, which would have been late war, well, mid-war I guess, and it was an intruder plane that they flew sort of like solo over france and it was all painted all black, bristling with machine guns, very little in the way of navigational aids. This is all you know, dead reckoning, and these canadian pilots would just sort of orbit where where they think there was a luftwaffe airbase and anytime someone was coming in for a night landing, these guys would just pound them. I built one of these and the old airfix kit when I was a kid. I always wanted to go back and redo it. So I'm going to get the special hobby one and I'm going to go a little nuts on that one and rekindle some old childhood memories.
Kentucky Dave:And you talk about a subject that just is ripe for weathering For sure Is those night intruder schemes. I mean, those things just got worn to death. That's gonna have a lot of character. Yes, that's what we call it character.
Mike:Anything else on pencils?
Chris Wallace:no I think that about covers it I've got to go get some.
Mike:I've got a prismacolor silver. That's the only one I've got. It's the only one you need. I've had it for ages. I've had it for 20 years probably. It's still like two-thirds as long as it was when I bought it. Yeah, I do have a good sharpener.
Kentucky Dave:I recommend getting the entire AK set. You do it once. They will last forever Is that what you did, Dave. Yes, I did Thanks.
Mike:Yes, I did Okay, Thanks to our friend Ian McCauley.
Mike:Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right. Well, I said we're going to revisit this back during the listener mail. Our third and final topic tonight is, from Steve Anderson's, a Guided Journal for Modelers. Which of your future projects would make a fun 48 hour or, you know, extended weekend build, and what do you have to do to make that happen? I don't know, man, I don't know if these, this, ever sounds fun, but I'm going to let you go first. You just can't tell the blitz bow story again, dave.
Kentucky Dave:I won't tell the blitz bow story I'm going to get. I'm going to let a little about a week, a little over. I've had a conversation with Jim Bates and Jim and I went to the 2012 IPMS Nationals in Disney World in Florida IPMS nationals in Disney World in Florida and while we were there, edward had just come out with their F6F Hellcat in 72nd scale. It was the hot kit. Everybody wanted it. They were bringing them in and putting the boxes together in the vendor room and they couldn't keep them on the table. Jim and I both bought one because we were both anxious as heck to get this thing. We both wanted to build it right away, and this was in 2012. And this was in 2012. 13 years later, we both still have the same kit that we bought at the Nationals in Disney. Neither one of us has built it.
Chris Wallace:They improve with age, david, they're like a fine one.
Kentucky Dave:That's right, that's right.
Chris Wallace:You have to wait till they peak.
Kentucky Dave:Right, we're letting the fine one, that's right. That's right. You have to wait till they peak, right, we're letting the plastic breathe, that's right. Well, because I've got a window where the wife and daughter aren't going to be home for a week and I've got this kit that I can do in overall glossy blue, all gloss sea blue, and I just bought decals, decal sheet at the Nationals in Hampton that has something like 15 F6Fs on it. Jim and I are going to. We're not going to do a 48-hour build, we're not going to do a 72-hour or 12-hour build or 24-hour build, but we are going to attempt in the space of say, five days or so, starting Saturday evening. We are going to build these kits, each one of us, and post it on the dojo as we progress. We're going to do the old blitz bow thing where we put the running clock with the build on each picture to keep track of the time, and we're both going to try and, from beginning to end, build the Edward Hellcat in 72nd scale.
Mike:So there you go, folks. To get this done in 48 hours of a long weekend, dave's solution is to make it five days now.
Kentucky Dave:Now not not to violate mike's um my my rule with me that I can't talk about the previous split spells, but I mean, I have twice completed a model in two 12-hour sessions over a weekend.
Mike:Two more than I've ever done. So get on you, buddy.
Kentucky Dave:That's a young man's game. I am not sure that at my advanced age that I could do that now, that I could take two 12-hour sessions, saturday night and Sunday night, and complete a model. I have trouble sitting at a bench for that long now. Instead of trying to do that and not succeeding, and since I have a window of an entire week, jim and I agreed that what we would do is we would try and do this over a period of four or five days.
Mike:Well, I'll be anxious to watch Now.
Kentucky Dave:Chris, if you had to choose an aircraft, and your wife and daughter are going away and you're going to build for three or four days and you're going to from start to finish, what kit would you would you select?
Mike:Yeah, You've already bought the beer. Yeah, food's all being delivered.
Chris Wallace:That's right. I'd have to be strategic. So, no, no engine, no gear, closed and simple, one, simple, one color cockpit. And if you don't have that fuselage and buttoned up and wings on it on Friday night, if you don't have all that done on Friday night, my friend, I don't think you're going to do it.
Kentucky Dave:I don't think you're gonna do it well if, if you have it done, if you have everything buttoned up, wings on basic construction done by early saturday morning, you're still in the glide path. But if you're on, if you find yourself late saturday afternoon still doing sanding and construction, yeah, you're not going to finish in time. But what kit you name?
Mike:it the old Revell Waco. It's got no engine.
Chris Wallace:Yeah, it's got about 12 parts, probably the Hobbycraft Sabre. You mentioned Sabres. You could probably do it that way. That would probably be a pretty good candidate. Yeah, something like that. Single color.
Chris Wallace:Yes that's one of the reasons that the Hellcat appeals to me is that I can do it overall, glossy blue. Now, when Mike forwarded this as a potential subject, I could only think of one thing and I know that David's eyes are going to roll because I often do this to him, but out of all the things in my stash, the one that I could probably is a good candidate for a 24-hour build or a 48-hour build would be this Mach 2 models and it's a C-Dart.
Kentucky Dave:No, you could not get that model together in 48 hours. You could not get assembly completed.
Chris Wallace:David, there's six parts. There is six parts to this thing. There's nothing to it.
Kentucky Dave:No, you still the fit issues and the sanding.
Mike:There is no way Not enough time for the putty to dry.
Kentucky Dave:Exactly, exactly. I'd have to figure that one out, but I would do it.
Chris Wallace:This would be the candidate that I would do a quick build on, because the whole point, it's a very simple airplane. At the end of it there's it's basically an angry Hornet. That's what it looks like. There's no engine on it, there's no gear, there's nothing. That's what it looks like. There's no engine on it, there's no gear, there's nothing. And the whole point of it that I would like to do, which I wouldn't be able to do in the 24 to 48 hours, is to make some sort of water base for it to go in, because I've seen some neat wakes forming behind this thing and I'd like to try that. But the build itself, the model, it's not that hard. Not that hard, david.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it. Okay, mike, come on, you can do armor if you want. Sure.
Mike:That's what I was thinking. Yeah, I've got remember those old Airfix blisters I bought at our show two years ago. Yeah, I think the Brin carrier and the six-pound anti-tank gun would be one that could be knocked out in a long weekend.
Kentucky Dave:I think that's a good choice. And you know what else I think would be good? If you're going to go 35th scale, I think you could do a Kubo Wagon or a US Jeep and you could probably knock that out in 48 or 72 hours.
Mike:Well, see, that gets into the biggest hangup I have, which is, if I went something 35th scale even those two subjects I would want to build those to a level that I would never bother trying to build any of these quick builds.
Kentucky Dave:Well, and that is, by the way, one thing that you have to decide when you're doing this type of build is this is a palette cleanser. I am not going to build it as if I am entering this in a competition or writing it for a magazine review article or anything like that.
Mike:That's true, you know, maybe a Bandai Star Wars something would work too. That'd be cool.
Kentucky Dave:Oh no, the Bandai Star Wars kits are great choices for a Blitz build. Relatively simple, they're well-fitting, their paint schemes are actually not overly complex and I think those would be a great choice for it. Yep.
Chris Wallace:Or even one of those 48-scale kits, a 48-scale armor that doesn't have a turret, that'll help you. Yeah, that would help. No turret that takes care of a whole build section for you Gone.
Mike:So we'll watch see what Dave and Jim get done. That'll be interesting.
Kentucky Dave:Well, we're fired up to do that.
Mike:I don't think my even entertaining this in conversation should be mistaken for me signing up to do it.
Kentucky Dave:No, we're not recruiting you.
Mike:Not that one or any others, cause even even those blister kits I've got that I've picked up it's kind of something. Well, I don't know, I wouldn't do a lot to them, I don't know, maybe I could, maybe I should give that some thought, maybe I should. You know, we've often talked about building outside our genre. That's but one way to build outside your comfort zone. Trying genre that's but one way to build outside your comfort zone. Trying to get through something in a compressed time frame is is certainly another way to do it. Maybe there's something to uh, maybe there's some self-awareness to be discovered there yep maybe I should.
Mike:Maybe I should give it a shot. Maybe I'm actually warming up to this idea now all right right Real limit Fish on. Well, you know, we thank Steve for bringing us, bringing us these topics in his journal, and we've got a. I guess we'll do this to the end of the year. So there's a few more to pick from. I don't know, we probably not even picked half of them yet but certainly the ones that lend themselves better to these conversations.
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Mike:Well guys, it's the Benchtop Halftime Report. I hope we're all working on something.
Kentucky Dave:Yes, we are.
Mike:Well, we're going to start with our guests From the third chair. Chris, what's up on your bench? What are you working on?
Chris Wallace:I have right in front of me an almost put together Franken-Corsair Otaki kit that's been improved with various bits and pieces that I've had left over. The one thing that I'm having fun with is learning how to use a riveter, drawing on the lines, using a plan and getting these rivets on it, and it's actually going a lot easier than I thought it was going to be.
Kentucky Dave:Is this the first time you've riveted a model?
Chris Wallace:Yeah, it'd be the first time, and so you draw it out and you could just freehand it. Once you draw it, it's actually not that hard to freehand it and follow your own lines. So having fun with that one.
Kentucky Dave:And what riveting tool did you get to?
Chris Wallace:do this. I have a combo, so I am using these AK ones that I picked up for 48-scale airplanes and I have an RB production. I don't know if he still makes them, but an RB production.
Kentucky Dave:I think they do.
Chris Wallace:Okay, I picked that up a few years ago.
Kentucky Dave:Radu Brinson. That's right, that's right, that's right?
Mike:Well, let me ask a little bit about this, because I've do some, like you said, some frankenkitting, some kitbashing, some crosskitting, before. In fact I do it fairly regularly, but with vehicles, armor trucks and things like that, it would seem to lend itself easier. So what of the Otaki kit? Are you using the entire airframe, wings and fuselage?
Chris Wallace:Wings, yeah, Most of the wings, most of the wings, most of the fuselage. So what's new is the cowl engine cockpit. There's a few other pieces too Landing gear, canopy and all the little, you know, little sticky bits that go on the outside.
Mike:Well, a lot of that small stuff, I would think are fairly easy swaps. There may be some engineering fixes because they may not locate the same way on one kit versus the one you're trying to put them onto Right.
Chris Wallace:But the cowl man, a scale discrepancy there could really blow up in your face and well, I had to take off the cowl flaps so we're down to the firewall, and when I did that it just just fit on like it's. It's actually pretty darn close. I did need to do some body work on the top panel to get it to join perfectly.
Kentucky Dave:So are you replacing the cowl flaps?
Chris Wallace:Yeah, yeah, I'm using Tamiya cowl flaps. Gotcha, the cockpit fit nicely, but I had to really work in the turtle deck behind it. I had to use a Tamiya one to get it to work right.
Mike:Well, I'll be curious to see this one. You're going to have some photos in the upcoming video of this thing before you prime it.
Chris Wallace:Yeah, for sure, for sure, have that done and I'm going to paint it. We call it an El Salvador Corsair, with the one that's all camouflaged Right, that's the one that I want to do.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, that's just such a nice scheme.
Mike:It's one. You don't see a lot built.
Kentucky Dave:Well, actually in 72nd scale. I have seen several people do it in 72nd scale.
Mike:Yeah, I don't know that I have in any scale, so that'll be cool. Is that all you're working on? Is that that thing? That is it. You're a one project kind of guy.
Chris Wallace:Well, I have a couple of things in the can for videos that I have to sort of put together the video and the voiceover for it, but that's the only thing that's on my bench right now.
Kentucky Dave:Okay, just give us a tease. What is the next?
Chris Wallace:video on. So the next one is going to be the full build of the CF-104. That one I also have something on. I'm going to do a short for painting wheels. I'll do that one and I was also trying to do one with some pilot painting, but I've had some problems with that one. My friends, I have some problems. The idea behind that is to get an easy, straightforward way of getting a decent pilot right, a decent kit pilot, to put in Something that's repeatable. But I need a bit more work on that one.
Kentucky Dave:Are you telling me, this is a skill challenge this is.
Chris Wallace:This is For sure.
Mike:Well, if that's all you've got, Chris.
Kentucky Dave:Dave, how's your projects coming? We know what they are. The Bearcat is, for all intents and purposes, done. It will be at the MMCL show on Saturday. I am then going back to the SAM and the BT-7. Going back to the SAM and the BT-7. And then, as I teased, the Hellcat will come out and get done within four or five days, beginning to end. And I've got to tell you, jim and I talked about this and cooked this up this afternoon as I was driving home from work, and we're both kind of fired up to do this, not the least of which is it brings back memories for both of us from that long ago national.
Mike:Well, good Again. I look forward to watching this unfold. Yep, yep. Well, what's left on the sand? That's got to be, not too.
Kentucky Dave:The oil detailing on the bottom, then it's just a little bit of chipping with pencils and then put the gear and the prop on and we're done.
Mike:But it hadn't moved much since last time.
Kentucky Dave:No, it has not moved at all since last time Because I was focused right actually getting a model finished for the year. The bear the bear cat is number two for the year and if I get ahead of me now well, if I can get this uh hellcat done, it'll be three for the year.
Kentucky Dave:And then I can get the sam finished by the end of the year, that would be four for the year. And if I can get four SAM finished by the end of the year, that would be four for the year. And if I can get four done in a year, I'm going to consider that a win. Well, I would. My goal is always five, but if I got four done, I would consider that a win.
Mike:Well, if you got four done, that puts five back on the table of reality. Yes, it does?
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, it sure does. So how about you?
Mike:I'm still slogging away on the table of reality.
Kentucky Dave:Yes, it does Yep, sure does so how about you?
Mike:I'm still slogging away on the KV-85. What?
Kentucky Dave:have I done? Well, you printed, painted and installed the radiators. Right, I did. Did I talk about that last time? You were in the middle of printing? I think you had gone back and you'd broken it apart I can't remember. It's bad.
Mike:Yeah, that's bad. Yeah, well, I did go back and redo those and got them painted and you know it went off like clockwork. After that I got them put back together and then glued into the model and I masked the openings. So all that went well. I've worked on the tow cables for the KV-85. All that went well. I've worked on the tow cables for the KV-85.
Mike:The biggest hitch right now is how to do the mounts for the fender mount and fuel drums, because I'm going to have one of them populated and three of them empty.
Mike:So there's a lot of intricacies there, and a mistake I made early on was there are some brackets that were molded onto the rear parts of the fenders.
Mike:There's two at each drum location on each side, so eight total, four on each side. Well, I'd cut those off while I was working on the fenders Because I had it in my head there was a PE set somewhere that was going to be usable for this and I'll be darned if I couldn't find it when it's all said and done, and I've got some 3D print files that I wasn't liking the way the similar detail was coming out. So I just went back and dug into that second kit I had and used my chopper and just shaved those things off the fronts, the edges of the fenders, of the other kit parts, and have glued them all back on. So now I've got to figure out what am I going to do for the base brackets that these go on. I'm probably going to come up with a little CAD and a little print job for that. And then the metal straps that actually hold the drums down is going to be some really thin styrene probably.
Kentucky Dave:Oh, okay, you're not going to go with like photo etch.
Mike:No, there's just not a good set I can find. I could go get like a Royal model set for a KV-85 or something and the stinking thing's going to be $60. I've done some audacious things with aftermarket sets and in on the theme of how much of it I haven't used right, but that would be a new record that I really don't care to set.
Mike:I hear you yeah those things are just too expensive, and panzer art makes a nice set of drums without any straps on them, so I think I'm gonna get a set of those. Hopefully there'll be one maybe at the show. I doubt it, but there could be, might get lucky.
Kentucky Dave:If not, I'll order them saturday night or sunday morning now a set, I assume is four, a set's four, and you're only gonna use use one, one, maybe two. Okay.
Mike:So the other is just going to have these empty straps flopping around. We'll see how it goes. So that's what's next. And I got to fix the mounts for the tow cables. That's not too hard.
Kentucky Dave:What's wrong with the mounts on the tow cables?
Mike:There's nothing wrong with them. I just haven't put them on yet. There's a little bracket welded near the turret race that's got a hole in it for the turnbuckle that they use to tension the tow cable during stowage when it's on the vehicle but not being used old. On the mark photo it's set for kv still somewhere, but haven't located it yet. The kit parts are okay. They're just really thick and in a pinch I can probably file those down and get them, get them presentable. But if I can find the that old p set for that, I'll probably, because I know those are in the set, because I've used it before. I know I had multiple copies of that set when it came out back in the mid-80s probably. So wish me luck in finding that.
Kentucky Dave:Other than that, it's where you least expect it.
Chris Wallace:Yes.
Mike:It'll be in the last place. I look Exactly. Because, if you find it and then you keep looking. That's kind of silly. Other than the KV I started on the suspension of the moose root cup build, so maybe when you guys get fired up on your, your, your f6s, I'm gonna we should do a video and I'll chip away at this while you guys are chugging along on that.
Mike:Maybe we'll do that. That might work. I don't want to start anything new now. I did have. I did have one of the meteors that I took possession of at the National Convention. I was rubbing one of those the other night. That's probably going to be more in my next aircraft.
Kentucky Dave:Well, good.
Mike:Gloucester Meteor F. Probably going to start with the F-1.
Kentucky Dave:Okay, we can provide you some research on it if you need it.
Chris Wallace:And, knowing your past, Moosaroo Cup builds it's going to be something fun and interesting. I'm thinking.
Mike:It will be fun and interesting. Yes, it will. I don't want to give too much away. No, no, no, I'm just Probably not going full money on the Fast and Furious Driftmobile kind of thing. I've already seen some of the builds folks are doing and honestly, I think Brian Dinklow over at build sideways podcast has got to be liking this one. Yeah, so we'll see what he cooks up, but that's my bench, anything else.
Kentucky Dave:That's it.
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Kentucky Dave:All right guys. Models continue to get announced Again. We're living in the golden age of modeling. Stuff is coming out faster than I can even keep up with. Do you have some faves and yawns? I do, okay, give me a fave or a yawn.
Mike:These are faves, I guess, since we have a choice of two criteria. All right, not necessarily something I'm going to build, but I thought they were interesting. In 148 scale, a company called N-Scale is going to be releasing two German trailers, an SD-ANH-53 and a 54. Now, one of these is some kind of Luftwaffe materials trailer and the other one, I think, is I can't remember a toolbox or maybe a generator yeah really interesting subjects.
Mike:48 scale is great for the aircraft guys. The downside, this is yet another russian company that's going to be hard to get. If you're inclined to get it in the first place, uh, but the the box art looks good. I don't know how the kits are they're new but some interesting things. For the 48 scale dioramas, I would say.
Chris Wallace:Wallace you got one, I do. It's not necessarily for me. I think that I'm really looking forward to seeing this Fine Molds F-104 that's coming out at $172. I blew one for you, I'm sorry, that's all right.
Kentucky Dave:Stole one off my list.
Chris Wallace:I could not be more excited about this, and I'm hoping, hoping that the sales of this just set new records for fine molds, to the point where they're thinking of maybe releasing an F-111 down the line and something like that, because I would be one of the first people in line to grab one of those. But this F-104 looks pretty darn good.
Kentucky Dave:Well, I am hoping that they do the entire F-104 series, the Japanese F-104s which, of course, is what makes this attractive to fine mold. They did. The Japanese had a lot of F-104s and had really, really great paint schemes on some of them, and I'm betting this is going to be a great kit, just because Fine Mold's recent stuff has been phenomenal and I can't wait. I am super anxious for this and maybe this will get you into building 72nd scale. We'll get them to release a CF-104 and you can build 72nd scale.
Mike:Back to me, because you guys had the same one.
Kentucky Dave:That's right Back to you.
Mike:Wow. T-model in 72nd scale. They've announced a Humvee in 72nd scale Nice, it's not very big, it's not tiny. 72nd scale. They've announced a Humvee in 72nd scale Nice, it's not very big, it's not tiny. That's going to be interesting because there's always some modern US armor in that scale. That's good quality. I think that should be popular and it could be useful for aircraft modelers too.
Kentucky Dave:No, I think that that has a lot of crossover appeal in 72nd scale. Chris, you got another one, yeah.
Chris Wallace:I would say a total yawn would be the Armahobbies hurricane. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
Kentucky Dave:You're going to get angry letters from Jim Bates. You know that.
Chris Wallace:No, I'm just kidding. I hope that whatever lesson they needed to learn from the 48 scale era cobra, they they learned that lesson and and totally apply it to uh get back to where they were with uh with their previous 48 scale kits and this is looking pretty nice too, so this would definitely be a fave, for sure so I'd hope so that's.
Kentucky Dave:That's just a, I would think, a a simpler airframe altogether, so maybe, maybe they'll get this one more to your liking for sure well, and what's funny is that you know, I've I've heard you and other people talk about the difficulties of the 48 scale P39, but yet the 72nd scale P39 is widely praised as a really great kit. So did they learn the lesson from the 48 scale kit, or exactly how did that happen?
Chris Wallace:We do not know, we do not know, we do not know.
Kentucky Dave:We do not know. Well, my next one is a fave and it's Arma. Arma has gone back and they are doing 3D printed interiors and detail parts for all their 72nd scale aircraft the p39, the hurricane, just they're. They're taking them all wow and just releasing sets of 3d printed details for the interiors and and etc. And I I mean you talk about just those are beautiful kits to begin with, one and all, and the ability to upgrade the kit by incorporating the new technology that the 3D printing brings. The detail is just so nice looking and I can see my. I love the Arma kits. I have pretty much all of their 72nd scale aircraft kits and I can see me snapping up all of the 3D printed items that they're going to release for all these aircraft.
Kentucky Dave:They get expensive man release for all these aircraft. They get expensive, man. You know I'm selling blood as fast as they'll let me. I really am so, mike.
Mike:I don't have any more, other than just I'm finding, just like last month, I'm finding it hard to find things in the glut of 3D printed stuff coming across, like ScaleMates. Yeah Golly, it's just so much stuff. It's either wheels or figures or armament or whatever. It just goes on and on, and on and on.
Kentucky Dave:Yeah, and everybody seems to be releasing 3D printed figures and, of course, the beauty of it is they can release them in 72nd scale, 48th scale, 35th scale. For listeners out there, if you buy some of this stuff, please post photos and your analysis on the dojo, because there's so much of this stuff and all of these companies are all brand new I mean, none of them existed.
Kentucky Dave:It can't all be good right they can't all be good and help. Help a brother out if you, if you buy something and it's great, let us all know so we can patronize that manufacturer. And, by the same token, if it's not so great, let us know so that we don't get burned. I continue to be amazed by the amount of 3D figures that are getting put out by all of these brand new manufacturers. We'll see if I got anything else I do, I do okay.
Chris Wallace:And going on to that, the same theme of not knowing if we're going to get burned or not. I I've always had a thing for the a12, avenger A12, the Vendor 2, the Flying Dorito Model Collect has a collection of them out in 48 and in 72nd, but I have never seen or heard of one being built from someone that I know and I'd love to get it. I can't get it from my local hobby shop yet. I don't even know if he's going to get them, but I'd like to. I'm neither a yawn or a yay. What's in the middle? Interested, interested, sure, raised eyebrow, interested. I'm a raised eyebrow, interested. That's what I am.
Kentucky Dave:It looks so neat. I'm with you right there. I'm not a big what-if or prototype guy. I could certainly see myself getting a 72nd scale one and building it up as an operational Navy aircraft and putting it on a Bases by Bill modern carrier flight deck with an F-18 or an F-35. Anything else, nope. That's it, gentlemen. We're almost the end of the episode. I am assuming that your modeling fluids are reaching the bottom of the glass or the bottom of the can the bottom of the glass or the bottom of the can? So let's start with our guest Chris. Tighten up the velvet smoking jacket and give us your rundown on your modeling fluid.
Chris Wallace:Well, like you said, it's a classic. This is what my grandfather drank a million years ago. This was his go-to. So I remember buying this bottle, maybe about I don't know, a couple of months ago. I thought I because I don't usually get VO, I usually get something else but thought I would think of the old man in my own way, and it went down as it's supposed to. There's no surprises and no disappointments.
Kentucky Dave:That's what we want out of our models and our modeling fluid. Mike, how about you give us the review of Second Shift Brewing's Brewligans?
Mike:It's a pretty good IPA. It's probably right out of the chute, the first thing I can say about it. For me personally, it must not have that variety of hops in it. That sets my allergies off.
Chris Wallace:Well, that's good, that's good.
Mike:Yeah, so I haven't had to deal with the sniffly nose when I'm trying to finish my beer. I think it's got a little bit of a bitter bite to it. Yes, it's not real heavy on the citrus side. No, it isn't. It's a good IPA citrus side?
Kentucky Dave:No, it isn't.
Mike:It's a good IPA, but it's not what I would call. It's not one that's I'm not trying to disparage it, it's just not one that's. A citrus leaner, I guess, is the best way to say it, right, because those are a little easier to drink, in my opinion.
Kentucky Dave:I agree, my opinion, I agree. I prefer a citrusy IPA, just simply because the citrus takes a little bite of the IPA hops the hoppiness out of it. Now, this is 6% alcohol by volume, so it's a pretty easy drink. It's not going to hit you in the face with a hammer, which some IPAs can do sometimes, in the face with a hammer, which some IPAs can do sometimes. Bob Delaney, thank you for supplying it to us. Get to try a new beer and appreciate that. Okay, we are truly at the end of the episode, so before we go, let's do some shout outs. Mike, do you have a shout out or two?
Mike:Well, I got to shout out the folks who have chosen to support Plastic Model Mojo through their generosity. We appreciate that very much. We're a self and listener supported affair around here, so everything folks are willing to do for us helps us out. We've set up several avenues for folks to be able to do that. To make it as easy as possible, you can sign up for a recurring contribution on Patreon. You can give us a one-time shot or manage your own recurring contribution on PayPal, and we've also got Buy Me a Coffee or Buy Me a Beer, depending on which avenue you go to get to that. You can find links to all these things in the show notes of this and every episode, and also you can find it on plasticmodelmojocom. There's a support show tab. You can get to it that way. So, folks, we're keeping this train going down the track. We appreciate all the contributions. It's all been a great help and makes it a lot easier for us to bring you more content. Thank you very much.
Kentucky Dave:I will second that, of course. Thank you very much. With a company called Vespa Models and he had a table. I actually bought some rivet decals from him, but his company's out of South America I don't remember which country, it's wwwvespa, v-e-s-p-a modelscom and they do 72nd scale and 48th scale aircraft detail parts and decals focusing on South American aviation, particularly South American air forces, and I took a look at their website and they've got a lot of interesting stuff and if you're inclined toward that sort of thing, take a look at it and I think you'll enjoy it. Mr Wallace, we're back to you, thank you.
Chris Wallace:So, now that I have a chance to gather some of my thoughts, I think my shout-out is going to go to you guys on the Moj.
Chris Wallace:You guys have been absolutely great. I first met you guys thinking back to the deep, dark depths of of 2020. Um, I first yeah, first met you guys and ever since then you've been nothing but supportive of of me and my channel. You give me regular shout outs. So much appreciate it. It's been a real pleasure knowing you guys and thank you for having me on the show. Well, I appreciate that.
Mike:Well, we look forward to our next trip to Canada.
Kentucky Dave:Yes, that's right, I got to get my passport renewed. Yes, you do.
Mike:And hopefully you get the dig squared away.
Chris Wallace:I don't know how. I don't know how we're going to get closer, but I'll try.
Mike:Yeah, that's right. I think we were close enough. If you can fix that one again, that'll be perfect.
Kentucky Dave:No, we're going to end up. He's going to get us beds in the gift shop. We're going to end up sleeping in the museum. Yeah, in the cots. Exactly, it's the only way you could get us closer.
Chris Wallace:I'll see what I can do.
Mike:Oh, they got a DC-3 with stretchers in the back of it.
Chris Wallace:Oh that would be fun.
Mike:There you go. No, it wouldn't. For one night it might be One windy, cold night. Well, Chris, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it. The pleasure is all mine. And letting us dig a little deeper, scratch a little deeper on your latest videos so folks can go to Model Airplane Maker on YouTube to find the videos for the subjects we talked about tonight. Everything but the 48, the 48 hour kind of build that, that's not a crisp video.
Chris Wallace:Could, be, yeah, it could be a lot of hilarity in that video. I think that would be some potential there.
Mike:Probably would be. Well, we hope to see you at the national convention in 2026. That's, that's shaping up to be a grand time there and, dave, as we always say, so many kids, so little time take it easy, guys, chris. Thanks again, see you.
Kentucky Dave:Saturday.
