Filming Skateboarding And Building Local Culture: Beau Crum

A lot of skate scenes have legends on boards, but the real backbone is the person behind the camera who keeps the receipts. We’re sitting with Jacksonville’s own Bo Crum to talk about how North Florida skateboarding got documented from the early days at Kona Skate Park to the era of shoebox archives, shoulder-cam lines, and footage that still shapes how people remember the culture. 

Bo walks us through his origin story, moving from Tennessee to Jacksonville, learning transition, and linking up with skaters who became pillars of the region. From there we get into what it actually takes to film skateboarding when nobody’s doing it yet: earning trust, stacking tapes, and capturing moments that don’t feel historic until years later. We also talk about his new documentary series, Reflections, starting with Jamie “Fish” Alcorn, whose path from Kona local to custom motorcycle builder is the kind of story that only makes sense when you see the full arc. 

We don’t dodge the harder stuff either. We dig into what “fair competition” could mean as skate contests and sports in general try to balance inclusion with divisions, and we talk about why women’s skateboarding grows fastest when the environment feels truly welcoming. Add in Kona memories, injuries, vert ramp reality checks, and travel stories from the skate media world, and you’ve got a conversation that feels like a real snapshot of skateboarding as a lifetime culture. 

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Setup

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey, this is Bo, you're listening to Paul on the shit.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Yo, it's your boy Paulie. And the motherfucking doctor. And we and this bitch, and we are just so stoked that you're tuning in for this episode following uh the Mike Peterson and uh following the wedding. And Aaron Mullen. Can't forget Mullen. God damn it. We have been putting out episodes, my bro. Dude, we've been putting in the work. That's right. We've been linking up with some rad people. Super stoked to share them with you all. Um check out all their stuff going on. But for this episode, one guy, local legend, um been looking up legend. Yep, been looking up to him for a long time. Um Bo fucking Ever Crum.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Dude, one of the most radous people inside the Mississippi River.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

That's right. And uh as long as I've been involved in skateboarding and in the uh North Florida area, Bo Crum has had his uh his his fingers on the pulse. He's been in the mix, uh, long friend longtime friends with uh the homie Mike Peterson, as well as many, many, many others. Um he has a dope project that is being released in a couple of weeks up at Kona Collections. Yep, up at Kona Skate Park, and it's uh with the first episode is focusing on uh fish. Uh Jamie Alcorn, longtime North Florida skater, turned motorcycle uh custom builder, chopper builder, perfectionist. Perfectionist, yeah, and artist.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

Um man, that shit is it's like putting paint on a canvas of that guy. He just sees a tailpipe and he knows how to work it.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Yeah. Yes, he does. But anyway, uh we talked with Bo um about a whole bunch of stuff. Everything from uh his first skateboard to when he first got into filming. Um he talked about old uh shoulder cam footage of Cairo, I believe, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude, he was talking about old shoulder cam footage. Dude, that line he said about Cairo is insane. And this is like back in Heming Plaza in uh I was in '93.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah, yeah, early nineties. Yeah. So uh like I said, as long as I've been involved in skateboarding, especially here in North Florida, Bo Crum has been uh right there in the middle of it. Um I mean, let's just name a few things. He created the sew video. The sew video. Uh he filmed the flatline video. He filmed Mike Peterson's part for the Globe opinion video, which I've talked about numerous times watching over and over again as one of my favorite parts. Yeah. So needless to say, if you've never heard of him, not to say that you're a fucking loser, you're just not as cool as we are. Um, but now that you have you need to go ahead and peep his shit, YouTube him, Google him. Oh, dude. If you do anything, you gotta check his music out, also.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

His music is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Yeah, he's uh overall incredibly talented guy. Um very i you know inspirational dude. Um, I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I enjoyed it, because we are just knocking big hitters off the list, my dude.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

I know, man. Like honestly, dude, I I I tell you this every time we do this kind of stuff. And I know it's probably people are getting old at me like saying this, but I swear to God, every new thing that we do becomes my new favorite one that we've done.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

I know, I know, and this one is uh holding up to that. So uh hope you tuned in to the uh wedding episode. Um, if you haven't listened to the Mike Peterson episode or the Aaron Mullen episode, you definitely want to go back and listen to them uh following this episode. Um, yeah, get your life right. Anyway, without further ado, um uh very proud for us to present to you episode with the guy, Mr. Fucking Crumb. Or at least come let's get it. This should be played at high volume.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

Fucking item people.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Okay, you throwing up the get the fuck out of here on the fuck up.

First Boards And Moving To Jacksonville

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Hey everybody, it's your boy Pauly. I got the crew with me. We got the doctor. What up, everybody? We got Joey the jalapeno. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, and we got the one and only Bo Crumb at the table with us today, man. Welcome. Hey, thanks. Thanks for having me. Yeah, so uh Bo is uh kind of in my eyes a local legend. Uh as long as I've been skateboarding, he's been kind of in the mix of help helping document um you know everything that's been going down. And uh super stoked to have you on. I know you got some rad things in the works that we want to talk about, but first before we get into that, why don't we uh start with the beginning of uh Bocrum's skateboarding life? The origin story. The origin story.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Yeah. Where do we start? First board. First board, uh a Nash executioner. Fuck yeah. Yeah. My uh I called her my aunt, but she wasn't really my aunt. I was like my mom's best friend. They were at the hospital together, but growing up, I always thought she was my aunt because she was always we just called her Aunt Sandy. Yeah, yeah. And she came home with a Nash executioner. I was in the fourth grade and started rolling down the big hill. I l I grew up in Tennessee at the time. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

So whereabouts in Tennessee?

SPEAKER_02 6:35

Greenville.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

It's a small town between Knoxville and Johnson City. Cool, man. That's actually like Tennessee's on my bucket list. I I grew up in Pittsburgh originally, and uh I I love the mountains.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I got family in town right now from Tennessee out from Oak Ridge and stuff. Oh, okay, cool. Or the one that did my hair and everything. You got that Tennessee look.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Yeah, I was about to say, is that the new look there in Tennessee? Yeah, yeah. It's real Padre for Pride Month there. I guess we're out of Pride Month.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Yeah, what'd you what'd you do from Pride Month when I was in elementary school back then? So uh when did you move to Jacksonville? Uh I moved here um the summer after the fifth grade. Um, we actually we came for vacation. Uh one of my mom's high school friends lived here, and we came to the beach and she met my stepdad, and you don't know at the time, they don't really tell you what's going on, but yeah, they hit it off. Yeah, yeah. And uh next thing you know, we we went back home and we were packing it up, and I started sixth grade here. So sweet. Yeah, oh yeah. No, I grew up on the west side. Oh, okay. Yeah, I actually grew up in uh Kevin Davis's neighborhood. Oh, cool. Shout out to KD. Yeah, he was he was uh he was a legend because he he was probably four or five years older than me. Right. And you always heard about this guy, the the good guy. The good guy, yeah, the guy, the guy. And and every once in a while you'd see him like go down the sidewalk, like from a distance, you know, oh that's the guy. That's the guy.

SPEAKER_01 8:00

So about what uh what year was uh this that you moved to Jacksonville? So about the fifth grade, start of sixth grade?

SPEAKER_02 8:05

Yeah, sixth grade. So I graduated high school in 93. So what does that make you I was born in 92, so that I'd be one.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Yeah, I would I was living it up eight years old in uh Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Yeah, so I guess you're what? I guess I started skating when I was like 11, moved here to turn 12 in sixth grade, right? Cool, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's about about right there. Yeah. So I don't know what the year that was. I guess six years minus ninety three. I mean the eighties, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Eighty-seven, maybe? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Oh hair man, music happening.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

So when you uh when you moved down here, was you know it was just kind of like skating culture here, so it was kind of easy to go from having your first board in Tennessee to what was there kind of like an up and down?

SPEAKER_02 8:46

So when I moved here, um I still had my Nash Executioner, and I actually went that summer, I went on a vacation with one of my best friends I grew up with in Tennessee, and we both had Nash Executioners. But we didn't we didn't know there was a difference. Yeah, you know, like you don't know, like especially in a small town in Tennessee. But I went with his family to uh Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, right? And uh they had an RV and it was an RV park, and they had a vert ramp, but it wasn't a vert ramp, it was a vert quarter pipe really on a big slab, and we went there, we didn't have our boards with us, but we went there and there was all these skateboarders, and there was this one kid, and it was the first Tony Hawk skateboard I've seen. I I'll never remember I I'll never forget the graphic. I knew it was a Tony Hawk or whatever, but I didn't know who Tony Hawk was. I didn't know people were pro skateboarders or anything because you know you're in the fourth grade at the time, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Fifth grade at the time. And it's not like it was like it is today, right? No inter social media, everything.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

But I remember he would push his ass off when he was doing like four foot errors on this quarter pipe, and I was just blown away, and I couldn't wait to get back to my house to ride the executioner. And then we moved down here, and the moving truck was like delayed like a month, so I came down here with like a backpack full of clothes, and I had my skateboard on the moving truck, but I kept seeing this kid at the cul-de-sac, and he was like doing G turns. I was like, oh shit, sick. Hell yeah. And um he he was like my first friend I met when I moved here, and he was he was an Asian guy, but he only rode Hussoy's butt yeah, so Ed Leto was his name, and um man, he was he had like the sickest style, but he loved Christian Soy. He wrote he had the Jimmy Z, he had like the Stees, like everything, leather jackets, but he had he he had an old deck of I can't, I think it was a Billy Ruff, it was a GNS, I think it was a Billy Ruff or something. And once my executioner came, he's like, No, you can't ride that thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

So he didn't in your heart you're just like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Yeah. So no, but he he hooked me up with this old deck. I'm pretty sure it was a Billy Ruff. And it had he had Sim Street Wheels, the big long ones. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, damn. But he didn't have trucks, so we had to because executioners are different hole patterns than than real skateboards. Yeah. But he hooked me up and we drilled that in, and I was riding Billy Ruff till Christmas, and then my first real board was a cab. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

That's what's up. Are you uh regular or goofy? Goofy. All the way, baby. Switch or fakey. Fakey.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Except for switch heel flips.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Yeah, okay. And that was gonna be my next question. Are you uh kick flipper or heel flipper? Kick flip. Kick flip? Goofy, kick flip flip switch.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

I'm right there with you, dude. I cannot do a regular I I could in earlier. I can't do a regular heel flip anymore. And I can't do a switch kick flip. See, I probably can't do a switch heel flip now.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

I broke my leg real bad and then uh I was like in a cast so long that I had what they called tarsal coalition, my tarsal bones and my ankle fused together. So when I was like 19, I had to have surgery and I haven't been able to kick flip since because I lost the flick in my front foot. It's dick I can go up and down, but I can't roll. It actually makes it's I I kind of jokingly call it my peg leg ankle because it's basically what it is. I can move the foot up and down, but there's no roll to my front ankle. But I can still heel flip. I think you and you and Gus talked about this. Yes, we did. Yep, yes. He's a heel flip guy. Yep, he is a heel flip guy. Shout outs to Gus, man. Went to high school with that dude.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

Oh, yeah, you and Mullen talked about it too. Yeah, yeah. He he used to be my roommate. He used to live with me. Oh yeah. Fuck yeah. Mullen's the man, shout out Aaron. Oh, Gus used to live with me, not Mullen. But shout out to Mullen.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

Oh, well, shout out to Gus too.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Yeah, Gus out there making movies, man. Yeah, man, he's doing great. Hell yeah. And he's gonna be here for the party.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Oh, for the uh for the the collective? Yeah, he's gonna be in town. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah, I'll definitely have to link up with him. That's what's up.

Reflections Project And Fish Documentary

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Um, yeah, let's uh let's actually fast forward a little bit now that we just brought that up because I got this rad flyer that I see, uh custom collective. It's a uh skate surf music and motorcycle art showcase. And this is uh pretty much your event. It's uh um are you and um you and fish?

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Yeah, me and Fish. Fish is uh Jamie Alcorn. He's uh he was a sponsored skater in the 80s and 90s, he was a Kona local, and um he's older than I am, and I grew up. So if you grew up watching Fish at Kona, you idolized his Smith grinds because they were the best uh the best Smith grinds ever, like especially in the deep end of the pool. So I didn't really know him back then, but over the over the years, like playing music and stuff, and becoming older and going to bars and stuff, I ended up becoming friends with him. But I'll never forget skating with him back in the day. Back in the day, and now he's building motorcycles. Um he's he's pretty well known in the motorcycle culture around the world. He won some contests and like was invited builders to all these different things. Yeah, it's an alley cat customs. Alley Alleyway. Alleyway customs, yeah. Big shout out to them. And um, so I wanted to do a documentary on him from skating to because he was also in Kings of Hell, from music to to now building bikes. So I started working on it actually like almost three years ago. Hell yeah. But his career kept taking off and taking a turn that we put a halt on everything. So finally, I guess uh about three months ago, I was like, let's just put a date, put an art show together, and finish this thing because I can't keep up with what you're doing. Yeah, it'll be never ending. Yeah, because now it's hours and hours of footage. So for real. But that's what we're doing on July 16th. We have an art show um with a bunch of featured artists, and we actually got Chris Markovich to come. That's he's one of fucking art.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yep, and uh I see uh Kendrick Kidd, shout out to him, yeah, Kendrick. Stefan. Um heck yeah, man. There's a whole bunch. Drew Hollingsworth, love that guy. Actually, got a little Drew painting down there behind there somewhere. We just moved in, so we're still kind of upsettled.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Drew Drew's awesome. So I just met Drew, and I don't know if you know, but so because Peterson was just on, he blew out his knee and just had his ACL. Yeah. So I don't think he told you the backstory with that, but it starts with Drew. Really? So there's a brick double set off of Beach Boulevard. Oh, yep. I know exactly which one you're talking about. The one with the drop-off? The drop-off around the wall. Yeah, yeah. So Mike tried it over ten years ago and shattered his heel. Shit. That thing's big, dude. It is fucking big. It's it's huge. And so JD shot a photo of it, and but he never used it because Mike's pretty legit like that. He don't he don't want things to get published in magazines or whatever. Well, anyway, um I think uh Pete had the photo up at the block or something, um and drew, because he's an artist and he drew all these he did all these oil paintings of different spots. He painted Mike's picture of that double set and showed up about a month ago, maybe two months now, at the skate park and handed him this big painting, and Mike was like blown away and he's like, Well fuck, I gotta do this. But now Mike's 46. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So Mike did it, and we went there and filmed it. Gus was actually in town for that too. Hell yeah. And uh we filmed it, and man, he tried it. He didn't even hesitate. He rolled up, he landed on it three or four times, and the last time he landed on it, he just twisted his knee back and just couldn't take the impact. And uh that's why he had ACL. And cadaver surgery. Yeah, dude, yeah, he didn't talk about how it happened, but he did uh when I was talking with him on Go Skate Day, he was he was bringing it up about that picture and everything and how right it was that uh Drew did and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Hell yeah, big shout-outs to Drew, man.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

Super talented guy if you have him. He's done some really cool stuff. He did all those art on famous art uh skate spots.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Mm-hmm. Yeah, he the super talented guy and he rips on the skateboard too, man. So big shout outs to him.

How Filming Skateboarding Started

SPEAKER_01 17:13

So when did you um get into filming and documenting? Like what about what age? Did you get a still camera first or was it a video camera?

SPEAKER_02 17:20

I think I was 16 or 17. Cool. And at the time no one was filming skating, but we all wanted to document skating. Right. And I I happened to, I mean, I was fortunate fortunate enough to be around like Neil Mims and Peterson, all these really great skateboarders, and Jeff Davis. Yep, like all these guys, even Cairo. I got old Cairo footage of over-the-shoulder cam. Oh, really? Yeah, hell yeah. At uh at Heming. He did this line at Hemming. Oh, let me see if I can remember it. On f at the top, Nolly backside flip, switch 180 nose grind the rail. God damn, kick flip up the stairs, and then golly hard flip over the wall. Jesus. This was like shoulder cam. Wow. Like way, way back. I don't know if I could find that like I tried to look for it not too long ago, but I couldn't find it.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

I was about to say, I bet you have. Do you just have like crates of like archival footage from over the years?

SPEAKER_02 18:16

I have, yeah, not crates, but a lot of shoeboxes. A lot of shoeboxes. And actually, uh Lutzka just hit me up. They're working on a documentary on Lutzka. Hell yeah. So I had to look for all his original footage and stuff. And um, I just filmed myself and Peterson for that documentary because they weren't flying their guy out. So I filmed myself those weeks.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

We'll definitely have to, yeah. We'll have to definitely keep an eye out for that. I'll definitely be interested to check out.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Yeah, they got some heavy hitters on there, like uh they got Muska in it, like all these people. Like Apple Yard.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Let's go or Lutzko ripped, dude. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's uh I and I love following him now what he's doing on uh Instagram, believing in like Ohio, right? Just running a farm. No, no, no. That's Muska. Lutzka. No, I thought you said Muska was on there too.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Oh, he's on there too, but I thought you said Lutzka.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

What did you say? Lutzka or Muska? They sound too similar. I thought you said Muska. So then I was uh I was piggybacking.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Yeah, I think he's on his family's farm, Muska.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Yeah, Muska. Now Lutzka, do I mean Ride Motorcycles? I see he's uh partnered with look like partnered with some Harley Davidson ads and stuff like that. Um he was really cool.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

So Harley Davidson did a campaign a couple years ago where they used um athletes, like the younger generation of athletes. There were some musicians, like uh Astronaut, the rapper from here, he's on that program. So really that's cool. But Lutzka took it to a new level. He's got Lutzka's garage, like an online store. He's got his own signature exhaust for motorcycles and stuff. Like he's like doing it. That's rad as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

That's fucking rad for sure.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Uh, whenever I talked to you uh a few weeks ago, you were talking about that you're gonna re-release the sew video. Yeah, so I've had a lot of people ask for the sew video in recent, and um I still have the test print, so I was gonna print more out. I might try to have them for this July 16th. Hell yeah. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

That'll be sick. That's a that'd be like. True, true.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Um, yeah, when I was out in Vegas, I just talked about I got you know propositioned by some guys trying to hustle. They're like, oh, we're comedians and we do music, this and that, and they they handed me a digital download, but they actually handed me a CD. And it was cool to have something tangible like that again. But then I told Chris it was like, I literally like walked off and was like, I don't have a CD in either of my trucks, I don't have a disk drive on my computer. Like, where the fuck am I gonna listen to that?

SPEAKER_02 20:37

It happened to me in New York. I took my daughter to New York for New Year's, and some guy was hustling, he was a rapper, and he gave us a CD. Yeah. And he's like, All right, that's 10 bucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I gave it to him because I was like, All right, and then I was like, where the hell am I gonna play this? Yeah, dude, I was at a gas station like two nights ago, and somebody threw away a whole like case of like CD, like a CD case out of their car, and it's like right on top of the trash. I'm like, all right, fuck it, I'm gonna open it and see what see what they got. And there's just so many guys, I was like, God damn, dude, these are actually good ass CDs.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Yeah, but that person literally was like, What do I what am I still holding on to these CDs for? They've been in my car for years and I haven't listened to them, so I'm gonna leave them on this trash can, and then Chris comes along and he's like, Oh, one man's trash is my treasure.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Dude, I just assume somebody's boyfriend got pissed at their fucking old lady, and he's like, Fuck you and your CDs. Possibly, possibly. I have a big crate full of CDs that I don't know what I'll ever do.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Yeah, I I uh I part I parted with mine um like two years ago.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

You can't even ingest them into your computers before you throw them away. Yeah, how do you even do that?

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah, no idea, dude.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I haven't seen a computer with a tower in years, decades.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

So uh let me ask you this you know, since you've stu uh done this, you know,

Women’s Skateboarding And New Spaces

SPEAKER_01 21:50

reflections, it says on this flyer, it's a documentary series. So starting with fish.

SPEAKER_02 21:54

Yeah, so the first one is fish. Um I already started working on the one with Peterson. Hell yeah. Um yeah. So I'm gonna do that one. And then also I started working on one with Murphy from Lady Skate Day. Oh, yeah. She's doing amazing things, man. Oh, super rad things. It's so cool. And I hope she gets credit for everything she's doing. I went out and filmed her skate camp, and she's doing all that when like I mean, she's getting a couple sponsors and stuff, but she's all doing that with her own dime and just passion. It's yeah, it's awesome because it's amazing. She is making all these young girls that want to skate so comfortable because I mean it's got to be intimidating showing up to a park with a bunch of burly dudes.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

I completely agree. I fathered two young girls, so you know what I mean. I hear that perspective all the time.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

But she's doing really cool things, man, and she's doing it all on her own time in her own dime.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Yeah, I love it. That's that's really cool, man. I definitely look forward to seeing that and shout out to them. Um that's been a rad thing in the past 10 years, just watching the growth of female skateboarding um around the world has been really inspiring because for the longest time, you know, you'd you'd have the chicks that would come out and skate and you'd see them hanging around, but it was like few and far between. Now, like I remember, you know, before I stopped working at Kona, but we would have moms coming in town for a weekend, skate moms with their kids. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Just like, oh, we drove in from somewhere in Georgia or whatever, and we're here for the weekend just to skate. And they got like their young kids, and like it was like very, very inspiring to me personally. Yeah, that's really cool. Um because your daughter skates too, right? Yep. My old my youngest is just now kind of starting to gravitate towards the skateboard. She's been a little apprehensive. She's six, but my oldest, yeah, she skates, she's 13. Um, she's kind of at that uh that insecurity kind of age, you know, where before when she was young, she would just pull up to the park and it didn't matter who was skating, she was gonna get in there. Um now I see a little bit more of that. It's like if it's super crowded or like, what do you think that boy's cute over there or something? Just gonna skate. You know, you know, so I see I see a little bit of that. Um, so I think it's super rad. Lady skate days actually shared like a clip that I've just put on as being like a you know stoked dad, like her owling off a curb and alling back up the curb. And they they shared it. So that was that that inspired her, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

My daughter skated when she was like between four and six. She loved it. Yeah. How old are you? She's 14. Just one. Yep, yeah. And um then they start to do what their best friends are doing. Um, then she got heavy into gymnastics. She was on like a traveling gymnastics team. Oh, cool. Which was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, for real. And then she gravitated towards lacrosse, and now she's on a traveling lacrosse team, so that's her thing. And she's she's really loving this.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

So lacrosse is a tough sport, man.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

That's brutal.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

That uh yeah, that's a physical sport for sure. Yeah. I've never played, but man, I remember watching, you know, the teams. I had buddies that played in high school, and it was like, Yeah, it's field hockey.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

They didn't have down here, they didn't have lacrosse until like recently. They had it uh when I was in high school at Sandalwood, like the Joe's got a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Yeah, but it wasn't, I don't think it was, I think it was more like an intramural thing because I don't remember watching them play another school. I remember them being split up teams and watching my buddies play.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

I just took her to a traveling, she had two uh four, she had four tournaments out of state this over the summer, and I just took her up to DC two weeks ago. Oh, hell yeah. And they ended up getting second all overall, but the team that beat the team that beat them twice, they beat them the first time and then they made it to the finals and beat them again. But they're ranked number three in the nation. Wow. And their coach was like, this is the first team that was like putting up a fight with us. This is pretty awesome. Hell yeah. I mean, they got like they've been in the program since they're those those kids. It's like it's different up there. But yeah, yeah, yeah. But man, it was a good experience for her, and I thought she was gonna be bummed, but man, she was super styed. She was like, Man, I gotta play good teams to get better, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

Oh yeah, big shout outs to her, man. That's a hell of an accomplishment. It sounds like a route trip.

Fairness Questions In Contest Divisions

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Um, let me uh ask you this question, because it's kind of been a little bit of a hot topic actually nationally, boom, boom, boom. With everything that's been going on. Um, you know, they just had that border contest um up in New York, and it was it on the Ghost Skate Day? I think it was Ghost Skate Day. And in the females division, Tampa local Shiloh Katori, 13 years old, was beat out by a 29-year-old biological male. Um who no, yeah, yeah. So so um Seriously? I swear to God, dude. It's like in Fox News and everybody's picked it up. Um really? Yeah, and and kind of talked about it. And like this was a border concert, like, yeah, exactly. Which Chris immediately took the stance and I didn't even think about it at first. He was just like, I kinda he was like, shame on the border for allowing her to win. Because in my or or him, it they them. I don't know. It's so hard to address people this day and age.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

It's a it's a tough, it's a really tough topic, you know, because you gotta be you gotta be you know, wise to to their feelings. Correct. And then you you gotta be accepting in this day and age, it doesn't matter, you know, you can't be closed-minded. Um that being said, it's the same thing that happened, I guess it was the swim meeting or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

It's the same thing. I mean, if well, something about this. Here's another element. Apparently, this transgendered uh person's name is Ricky Trey. Um father of a couple of kids, former uh Navy vet, thank you for your service. Um apparently tried to compete for the Olympics for skateboarding, uh, tested with too much testosterone to be able to compete as a female. So that's kind of also where I'm like, I don't know. I feel like at some point being a father of young daughters who are physically active, you know what I mean? Like there has to be some sort of fair competition. I don't I I I bel I think I think you're right on point.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

It needs to be fair, but there's gonna be argument on both sides, right? Well, for sure. So I almost think there's gotta be some sort of rule put in place, not by the border, but like as like skateboarding and not just skateboarding, but almost general society.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

As a society, like how are we gonna handle because it goes further than skateboarding, like you said, the swimming, and it's like how are we gonna keep everybody inclusive and everybody you know not infringing on anybody's rights or freedoms to be who they want to be in this country? But like I think almost if it's an open division, maybe we should clarify that open means open division, you know what I mean? Like really, like in competition. Um, so where there's normally just male and female competition, maybe there should be an open division for and all the people.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

There's also the point, there's also the point for years and years, Tampa Am Alyssa Steamer, yeah, was playing with the boys and doing awesome because she's fucking unreal. Right. But she never bitched about not winning. Correct. Um, and she all she did great a lot of times, and I mean her video parts are were insane back then, right? Yeah, so yeah. But now and now they're we're just getting labeled into they're getting labeled into opposition. I personally think, man, they should do like a all right, so you have your male competition, your division, your female division, and then trans division.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

That's well, I don't even necessarily think it should just be like exclusionary to just trans, in my opinion, because it's like open, like you, if you as a man you want to enter the open division where you know there's gonna be any and everybody, no matter the age, gender, identity, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

So you're you're saying a male division, an open division, and then a female division, but if you're trans, you have to enter open. Yeah. I don't know. That I don't know that's that's beyond my expertise to really make a decision. No, I know, I know, I know I agree.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

I mean in nothing. We're just we're we're here bullshitting around to table. Yeah, no, I didn't even hear that. My cu my cousin is transgendered. Um and so I've had a lot of serious talks with her about it. You know what I mean? Um she does a lot of her opinions do not fall on what we would be in line with woke. You know, it would not be like she she definitely thinks there should be some sort of divisions for competition. I she doesn't get emotional about it, right? She's more kind of thinks about it from a rational point, you know what I mean? Which she was born a biological male and was in the music industry and is and eventually transitioned to a female and is living her best life, you know what I mean? But I think a lot of times it's just uh it's hard to have an intelligent or um rational conversation about a lot of these topics these days because everybody's so emotionally charged on them.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

And there's a lot of ignorance too, right? I mean, it's so fresh, there's gonna be a lot of ignorance for like a long time, probably, because a lot of people don't understand it, but you gotta really sit back and ask yourself, what is that person going through, you know, for sure. And I mean, my first thoughts, you're saying he was a vet, he has kids, and this and that. Did he not know back then? Like, you know, but you maybe you don't know. And I I think I think we're gonna hear maybe in 10, 20 years, there's gonna be a lot of psychological issues with some of the people that are going that are changing. Because okay, so we made it as a society as a society, we've made it acceptable. So more and more people are doing it. That doesn't mean they're not doing it for the right reasons, or are they doing it for the right reasons, right? Like are there gonna be are there gonna be backlash within themselves? Because I mean that's a pretty pretty heavy thing to take on.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Oh, for sure. And I you know, like I I I just I've battled my own demons and mental health issues alone without without having to ever feel the way that these people, you know what I mean, to want to want to go to the point where you don't feel comfortable. So I can't even imagine, you know what I mean? I've struggled enough just being a straight white man, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

So so this is this is the second podcast I've ever been on. Sweet, man. And the first the first one was for my music, and this is the second transgender topic that we've talked about in two podcasts. That's crazy. But it this was right when um the guy, the uh Laura Jane Grace from Against Me came out and rolling stone. She was like the first one to do this movement and stuff. And I I played shows with her back in the day and stuff, and um you know it was it was a really positive conversation, but um the podcast, the guy that was doing the podcast, his brother used to be had a kid with Laura Jane Grace's first wife that she's from Jacksonville and I knew her and stuff. So it was like I just knew some things, but going back to that when she came out, and a lot of her peers, like a lot of musicians I look up to and stuff, they were all you know, they they had her back, and the first thing they said is we would rather her be happy and be able to come out than maybe take her own life or something like that. Completely agree. Yeah, for sure. And that's you you gotta really understand what these people are going through. I mean, you don't have to understand, but you have to really think about empathy.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

I think our society as a whole could use a big dose of empathy so because everybody's really consumed with the me, myself, and I and what we need and what I want. That it's like that. I mean, yeah, it would go a long way for us.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

I mean, look at my hair, dude. I'm going through a midlife crisis right now. But going back to that contest, I I I I really don't have any take on. I mean, for me, I I think so. Skateboarding is a little different than a swimming where where you're doing a lot of muscle and this and that, because I mean skateboarding can go either way. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

I mean, there are young there are young kids out there that are ripping. I mean, it it's right skating like grown men, you know, right and women, you know.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

And a lot of these a lot of these girls nowadays are I mean, would I want to skate with that? What's the little Brazilian 12-year-old that black left 16 so six?

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Yeah, I can't remember her name. We saw her at um Street League last year. She won. That was she is crazy good. Yeah. So I wouldn't want to skate against her. No, hell no, hell no. I agree. I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

No, it's just a hot topic. And uh and I I didn't know that that happened, but I mean, I I would think Clements and those guys were were put in a pretty hard position to be able to because you know they're gonna get backlash either way.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah, for sure. So I don't I think you know, I've uh if I was personally in a judging standpoint, I probably would have had to take into consideration this person doing a back lip down this rail versus this person who is half the size. You know what I'm saying? Experience, age, everything. Like from a judging standpoint, I'm like, I'd be way more impressed seeing that little girl front board down that rail than a five foot eleven, six foot, six foot one person. You know what I mean? I think they're they're come you know, but that's just me personally. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Kristen Racco did a story on the I guess he was the first transgender take the skateboarder. Yeah. This was like maybe five or six years ago. I don't know if you saw the video. Uh-uh. But he was or she she was really good. Like she had a whole video part and everything. Oh yeah. But I don't know what happened to her, but I don't know if she's skating in these contests or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Yeah, I don't know. But uh yeah, I don't want to, I don't we don't need to take over with that uh that conversation. But I I appreciate your perspective on it. And like I said, I just kind of when these weird emotional kind of topics come up, I like to get everybody's opinion and perspective because if we can't come together and have a constructive, you know, thoughtful conversation about it, then how free are we?

SPEAKER_02 35:43

So I think we just have to be open to everyone else's feelings. I agree.

Music Background And Creative Drive

SPEAKER_01 35:48

I agree. But uh, you did reference your music. So how long you been uh playing music?

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Since uh I think I picked up it was after high school, but probably 19 or something, I started playing. I I think uh picked up my buddy's bass at the time and just started strumming, and then I just got the feel for it. Oh yeah, and then picked up a guitar. I never had a lesson or anything, but oh hell yeah. And then I was always in bands, and then I did my solo stuff and put a bunch of records out. So that's really right. Over the years and everything. That uh that one modest mouse cover you do is fucking red. Uh thanks. You're yeah, he is such a fan of modest mouse cards. Isaac Brock is the voice of my generation. Yeah, yeah, goddamn lyrical wordsmith.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

Yeah, so uh other than this uh this art showcase we got coming up at Kona, and this is on the 16th of July,

Kona Showcase Details And Admission

SPEAKER_01 36:45

7 p.m. So you guys want to make sure that if you are in town, you want to be there five dollars at the door. No, it's uh it's actually ten.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

That was a misprint.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

That was a misprint. It's ten.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

If you uh because we got we got Kings of Hell's actually playing now, too. And then um it's ten at the door, and then it's uh pay five at the door of the meatbow and give them the extra five. And if you want to skate, it's an extra five because they're gonna have it open for skating. So that's have you guys skated new free? Oh no, dude. Yeah, it's amazing. I just went up there to like get logistics and stuff. It's so smooth.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

So smooth, it's so quiet. Like the first day that it was done, like you're used to like seeing someone out of your peripheral and then like hearing them roll up on you. It was like I saw them and then they went by and I like didn't hear them. And I was like, wait a minute. Yeah. Joey's been killing the he he he murders that barricade. That's right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Over there holding court on that motherfucker. Yeah, for real. Especially show nights. There have been some pretty heavy sessions out there. I've been uh working security up there for him. It's been uh uh T SOL just played there, right?

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

It's been it's been tough to uh though with all these guys coming up there, everybody, all my friends, all the homies are showing up and having heavy sessions on the show nights, and I'm like, God damn it. I feel like I'm 16 all again, working behind the counter, and Grandma Ramos won't let me go on break. Um speaking of Kona, when was your uh first time there?

SPEAKER_02 38:01

First time at Kona. Um, my friend from the cul-de-sac, his dad took us and um he did the whole pep talk after Miss Ramos checked everything and made sure I had my wrist guard plastics in. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And then you're so nervous when you walk out there because this is way before any of the street course. And actually the J and the snake met, so it went up another like 30 feet.

SPEAKER_01 38:25

So this is back, yeah, back in the day before they chopped the top of the hill off.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Yes, this is when this is when the uh fiberglass ramp was there, okay, and the little blue U ramp was right behind it. Many moons ago, before my time. Yeah, so we go in there, you know, and she's like, Oh, be careful of the mogul. And then my buddy, he's already like been going and stuff. He's like, You gotta really watch out for this mogul. Like, blah, blah, blah. It's like, and I'm like, I ain't going over that shit. I ain't dumped on that thing the first time I went to Kona. He dropped right in, went over that thing, and just launched him straight to his knees. His knee pants came down. Oh I was like, Yeah, I'm definitely not going over that yet. Oh man. Yeah, be careful on a watch on stone now. I got I got a funny Kona story though. So let's hear it. So back then, everyone went to Kona. And I lived on the west side. This is when the Matthews Bridge was a toll bridge. Oh, okay. And we would have to figure out which parents were taking, which parents were dropping off. Because we get dropped off at like 9:30, wait for it to open, there'd be a line out the door. Yep. And you'd skate till 10 and get it picked up. Yep. And so Pro Design knee pads came out, and I was like, oh man, those things are sweet. Hell yeah. So uh I got my my dad that lived in Tennessee to order me for Christmas. I was like, well, ProDesigns. He ordered them, they were way too big. Like, oh shit, dude. I'd walk and they'd just smack each other. Yeah. And this was when the this was before the pool was refinished. So there's like craters all in the pool. Everyone's still scared, but I was standing up there and Donnie Griffin. I didn't know him at the time. Or homies now, but yeah. Shout out, Donnie. Love that dude. He was making fun of me. He's like, Why the fuck you got those big knee pads? Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, man. So we like had words or whatever. And he was like older than me, but I was like a little kid at the time. I think it was like in the sixth grade. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, You should have just got rector aggressors. And then we got in like some argument. He's like, Jump in. Let's see him mute, let's see them work or whatever. They're like brand new. So I jumped like four feet out in the deep end, just went straight to my knees, and they all just slid down. He's like, I told you. Funny story though is that my sister was a cheerleader and um he was a cheerleader in high school. Oh, he really was? And like years later, they're like Was he a flyer? He's like calling he's a little dude. He's like he was like calling her house and stuff. I was like, oh man. That's a skater dude. He's a rad dude, man. I like that guy.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

I heard he got really hurt at the yeah, at the uh the 45th anniversary was the the bull jam. Um, and I actually had just turned my head, so I didn't I didn't see what happened, but like I look back and he is face down in the deep end with a gash like right next to his eye. Dude got lucky. I don't know if a board a board hit him or something, but you know, it was it was a session, so it was like everybody dropping in on everybody. But yeah, it was uh everything was cool, and I like looked the other way real quick and I looked back and he was down unconscious. He's still so good, so good. Yeah, yeah, such good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Those people are like still treading like hard as fuck. Yeah, like in their uh later years and everything. It's fucking rad to see.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Uh big shout outs to uh the smooth operator, uh Todd Johnson. Oh, yeah. Todd Todd's in my documentary. He just moved yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

Where? He moved to North Carolina.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

Really? Oh, god damn. Oh man. What's the day, Saturday?

SPEAKER_02 41:50

Yeah, he just moved yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Well, damn. Well, good for him, and we wish him the best on his you know next chapter in life. I will miss seeing him around the parks. Yeah, he moved up to Mars Hill. Well, let's be real, he'll be back.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

They always come back.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Yeah. Yeah, I used to um skate a lot of vert with him.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

He's he was awesome,

First Kona Sessions And Learning Transition

SPEAKER_01 42:09

cool. So um, yeah, with uh growing up, did you skate more heavily vert, more street?

SPEAKER_02 42:15

I mean, was it kind of a slow in the 80s Kona days? You skated pretty much everything, but it was all transition. Right. Um you weren't like session in the snake, right? Um but the fiberglass ramp, I think I was in the sixth grade and I was I started learning so much on skating with like Bob Reeves and Bucksmith and all those guys. I still never taught to them though, like I was a little kid. But I learned like backside airs and rock and rolls and like lean details and stuff. Oh yeah. And I loved that ramp because it was for some reason it was fire, it was like layers and layers of fiberglass, and it was it was real forgiving. Yeah. But I probably got to skate that for like six months or something, and started learning a lot of tricks, and then they tore it down and they started making the concrete ramp. Damn. But the concrete ramp, I feel like it took a long time. So we would skate the pit quarter. You just do the roll-in and just do single tricks on the pit quarter until the concrete ramp opened. But the first day I skated the concrete ramp, I did like a backside air and hit like a bump on the flat bottom and just slammed into the wall. Slammed into like whole my whole side was black. Like I never skated again.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

So was it always it? Did it always have the little bumps in it? That's not something that's just kind of happened over time. I always thought that because I mean that thing is a little sketchy to say the least.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

It is sketchy. Um dropping in on that fucking thing. It was also super hot, like in the summer, like just like concrete was so hot. But um, yeah, I don't I didn't really skate it much after that. And then Kevin Davis in my neighborhood built a ramp, a mini ramp. And I think I was in the seventh or eighth grade then, and we just sessioned that like all the time. And we always built like ramps in our neighborhood, like street ramps and stuff. Because this was like the long Launch ramp days.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

Yeah. Yeah. So uh were you a Benny Hanna man?

SPEAKER_03 44:06

No.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

I didn't learn Benny Hanna's until way later when Jamie Thomas started doing them.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Yeah, I remember seeing Wildman do them out of the bowl and then over the lawn tramp, and I was like, I'm fucking learning that. And then everybody was like, What? You're gay? Why are you doing a Benny Hanna for? I was like, okay, I thought it was cool. Yeah. You guys cheer when Wild Man does it.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Jamie Thomas made those things look good, though.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Hell yeah. Oh yeah. Hell yeah. So um let me

Meeting Mike Peterson And Early Road Trips

SPEAKER_01 44:33

ask you this. When uh how old were you when you and Mike met and linked up?

SPEAKER_02 44:36

Um, we knew each other of each other at Kona um way back. Um but we weren't friends. We linked up. He was living in Orlando going to school with a friend of mine, John Myers. And we were driving down staying at John's house and then going to skate skate park in Tampa. Like this was probably like 93 area, right after it opened. So we were going to skate park in Tampa, but we'd meet up with John Myers, and and that's when we met Peterson. Oh yeah. I remember the first time I met Peterson. We all we all went to the the skate park, skate park in Tampa, and I was like, man, this dude's fucking wild. But we we get to the park, and it's like we let a fucking puppy out or something. This dude was going nuts everywhere, just fucking flying around the park with jean shorts. Some fucking simple shoes. Remember simple shoes? Uh-uh. I remember those. That was probably before your time. It was a skate company, simple. Okay. But he tied them shit so tight they look like a football.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

And he was just flying around. He's got a trick in one of Josh Stewart's first videos, like doing a front side lean from quarter pipe to quarter pipe over the door. Oh wow. That was sick. It's where the bowl quarter pipe is now. There's a door right there that used to go outside because there was a bowl outside. Yeah. In the park. And like there's a side parking lot over there. But he's got a trick. He was in jean shorts and simple shoes with no shirt. That's fucking good. I think that's from that session. That's so good. But then we come back and Pearson's just ready to party because John was going to school at UCF. So he lived in this like apartment complex with his all college kids. And I was like, Oh, yeah, let's get a keg. I didn't even drink at the time. Michael's like, yo, you want to get a keg?

SPEAKER_03 46:30

Let's go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

And then we go and I was like, I don't even drink. He's like, Man, you motherfucker. Buy a keg and drink it all by myself. We we just became super good friends like immediately. And he ended up dropping out of school. He was going to a community college there. He ended up dropping out and moving back like within those couple weeks. And then we were just like non-stop hanging out all the time. And he was going to FCC J and we had some classes together. And I remember we had a movie class. It was like you critiqued movies. It was like the collective.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

That that that is a class I should have taken. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

I had Peterson with you too to do that. It wasn't it was a night class, and every day is like, all right, let's go skate. I'm like, nah, dude, we gotta finish this class. We'll skate after. And one time, because we were leaving like every class, every class we were leaving. And um, there was the bonos ledge like right behind FCC J and we'd skate that. And uh I was like, I'm not leaving, man. I'm staying this time. The motherfucker grabs him a book pack and walks out, and he's like dangling outside the window. We both got A's in that class, though. Hell yeah. He did his final on uh Forrest Gump. Yeah, that's my boy.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

That's great. He's like, and and my conclusion is life is really like a box of chocolates.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Another Peterson story, we went to this contest in Gainesville. This is all around the same time. This was like before it was like sponsored, but you could tell he was just like on the way, yeah. And we skated this contest at some surf skate shop in Gainesville, and they had all these ramps set up. And Mike won, Mike Rosa got second, and I got third, and I think I won a skateboard, and I don't know what Mike Rose won, but Mike won a pair of Coston shoes, and he didn't know who Eric Coston was. Oh, I've heard about that. He's like, he's like, who's this Eric Coston, dude? I think he traded me for the board. I think I got his costons. That's well, it was pretty funny because he didn't know. The costume ones for us. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I got a pair of those when they remade them out. Yeah. But then he just started winning everything.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

Like, yeah. Yeah, he was definitely. I mean, like so many others, he was like one of my favorite skaters growing up. I mean, just one, you'd you'd see him at the park in person, and I mean just how fast he would go, how high he would go, the style for day, you know, it was a it was fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

He also his attitude towards it, he was just having so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Yeah, you could tell. You could see it in the store.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

When he won that Tampa Am, like he was like dancing the whole day, like on the roll-in and like before drop in. He was just like, he just didn't care. Yeah. And then he won, and he was he didn't even stick around for the to announce it because he had to get back because he had to cut trees. Yeah, that's what yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

He told me he was like, Yeah, I was gonna treat the next day.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

Like, I was like, damn, that's fucking wrong. So he said sponsors are calling him and shit. They're like, What are you doing? He's like, I'm at work. You don't gotta work anymore. He's like, Yeah, I'm still gonna work. Yeah. Well, he knew he was gonna that's what he wanted to do. It's like he's happier now. This is the most happy I've ever seen him. And he's he before he heard his knee, he was skating better than he's ever skated. Yeah, so which is gnarly as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Yeah, yeah, very, very much so. No, I I used to watch, I remember when the Globe Opinion video came out. Yeah, I watched that part over and over again because it's just I mean, seeing the treaty park footage and then all the local spots and everything. You made that part. I was about to see some say, I was like, and and I believe that was all your footage, right? In your head?

SPEAKER_02 49:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't edit it. I that was all my footage. All your footage, okay. They had their guy. Yeah. Yeah. And Peterson said he went out to uh California or whatever. They're like, Yeah, send us some footage. You're gonna share a part with like two other dudes. Yeah, and then they're like, they want the whole thing, yeah. Yeah, they seen all his footage and they're like, fuck. Yeah, his uh I think his last um consolidated part was all my footage too. Hell yeah. That one was gnarly too. I mean, every fucking thing that dude puts out's an early issue.

SPEAKER_01 50:26

Yep, for sure. For sure. Well, uh, let's take a uh like a five, ten minute break.

Quick Break And Midroll Clip

SPEAKER_01 50:31

I'm gonna check on the dogs, let them in real quick, and then uh and then we'll uh come back and wrap this up.

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SPEAKER_01 52:20

Alright,

Skating Older And Finding The Groove

SPEAKER_01 52:21

guys, we're back. Had to take a little break, check on the dogs, get some water. I have a problem. Boo.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

Boo.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Cigarettes.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

You don't smoke either. No.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

I used to. That'll make you better than me. Never did. Never did. Well, good for you. Um I got low self-esteem issues, alright? Is that what y'all wanted? Is that what y'all wanted to hear?

SPEAKER_01 52:42

No, actually, uh, we were just talking, you know, kind of on break. Chris talking always about getting his surgery so he can be back skating. I have been struggling personally to find time to uh to skate with how busy I've been with everything. And man, I gotta say, the older you get, dude, it ain't like riding a bike, man. If you don't use it, you lose it.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

It is definitely a lot harder. Yeah, it's still fun. You still have the same tricks, some of the same tricks, but um I always feel like I always want to push myself. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I end up getting hurt or yes and that.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

But but it's just always fun. You still want to it's really funny to me because sometimes, like, if I don't skate for a few weeks and then I'll come skate, I will struggle with the most basic tricks or things. Like, you know what I mean? And it's like even just standing, I feel like a newborn deer, but it's like then all of a sudden it's like I'll do something like, Well, how the fuck did I just do that first try? You know what I mean? It's like, uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:37

It's always fun to go to monument because you could just carve the pocket super fast and then just do a stand-up grind, and then you feel good, you feel good about yourself. I feel real good. You know, that's my favorite skate park in the world, dude. Yeah, that's fun. That's because you grew up there. Like I was never a training skater. I never really skated training until monument got built.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

That brick quarter pipe is just too fun. It is. And uh Joey, he uh he he is like the king of that little love seat, real tight where the brick kind of comes over, man. You always skate that wall. Yeah, I never I never make it over there. Got a baby front feeble on it the other day.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

Oh, yeah, she front feebled that thing like a long time ago. That's sick. Over the little seat next to the yeah, yeah. That thing's awesome. And I saw um uh Grant Taylor came and he grinded all the way the brick quarter pipe all the way around over the seat and old in like off that little thing into the little pipe. Off into the you know how it's like stepped up right there, and it's got that little quarter pipe into the little quarter pipe. Yeah. Damn. I'm like, how the hell? Full throttle. Full throttle. Yeah, those like with Chet Childress and everything. I remember I showed up that morning in the parking lot, and yeah, everybody when the night team was here, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I showed up just as everybody was getting done skating. I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, come on. I was trying to pick up a sponsor. I used

Sew Video Origins And Flatline History

SPEAKER_02 54:58

to come here a lot because we had a bunch of backyard pools, and that's when I was making the sew video, and he would stay at my house, and we made we got a lot of his whole parts in Jacksonville. Hell yeah. That's what's up. Yeah. Joe was brutally. You had Al Parton in uh in a sew video. So all that came because Peterson got on a Lennium, and that's how I started filming Lutzka. Lutzka was 15 when he got on a Lennium, and I did his first his That was a heavy team. Yeah, I did his Wheels of Fortune for 401, and then um we had all this compiled footage of Al, Lutzka, Peterson, uh Kyle Barard was going on a bunch of trips with us then. Um, and then Chet was coming up here and doing trips. Um, and then does Matt Fink have a part in that video? I think I think he's got a part in uh this uh video. Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty positive. Oh, Graver, Graver was on the Graver had a part in there, too. Graver had a part. Um, but what was happening is we were touring all the time for a Lennium and we were gonna make an Ellenium video, and then Sector 9 pulled the plug. And it was also the same time I was traveling with Big Brother magazine, so I had all this footage. Oh, hell yeah. And then Larry Flint pulled the plug. So I had all this footage, and I was like, well, fuck, I'm putting a video out. So I put my own video out, and it you know, it featured a lot of the Lennium guys, but then it had Ched in there, and then I had Kevin Graver and Kyle Brarr, and some then it had like a local part.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

Graver Graver's killing it, he's quite a cabinet maker up there in the U.S. Oh, yeah, man. He's doing great, yeah. He's in New York, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember that uh was it the Kmart down in it, Neptune Beach with the kill wall behind it? Yeah, I remember fucking seeing that thing and how a little gnarly that little thing was, and then seeing a photo of Kevin like way up the wall, and it was just fucking gnarly. Kevin built that thing. He did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:44

I believe it. Kevin worked for Team Payne for a little bit building skate parks. Yep, I remember that. Then he moved to New York and he was like building cabinets and or he's doing like I think he was doing stage design, set design.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Oh wow. Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

And then he just started his own thing. I think that's how it all worked out, but yeah, he's doing good up there. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:01

So hell yeah, we were talking a little bit about uh flatline. Shout out to all those guys, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 57:06

Ryan, Joey, all those guys are awesome. Hell yeah, they're good people, really good people. Just seen Joey on Go Skate Day, actually. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. I was talking with him and I was uh he said uh because I asked him, I was like, hey man, I want to get you on the podcast there, and he was like, Fuck yeah, man, just let me know. Let me know. I'll do it. I'm hyped on it.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

Hell yeah. Yeah, he's such a good dude. Yeah, yeah, for sure. When did you meet all those guys? Was it back in the uh Beast days or I think it was Briar Hulk before Beast Hulk before those days?

SPEAKER_02 57:36

Um I think we just met through skating at the beach. I remember seeing Ryan Corey at the old Seawalk Pavilion. Oh yeah. It had like a three block up on the handrail. Oh yeah, right at there and um he was probably like 15 or 16 or something. He was young, he was still in high school or like early days, and he had the best front side flips. Oh yeah. But he was frontside flipping down that, and I was just like, what? And then um then the skate asylum opened, so all those guys were there all the time. And I think that's when he started Hulk, him and Josh Lauterman, and then it turned into Beast. Hell yeah. Yeah, and then Peterson rode for them for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Yep, I remember him saying something about that.

SPEAKER_02 58:20

Yeah, whatever you won't Tampa Am or whatever he was riding for them, and then he got offered from uh Illinium. No, no, he was on Fiber. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on Fibro then, and then he went to uh Eastwood after he won that. Hell yeah. So yeah, and I was I was technically the Eastwood team manager. Oh yeah, add TM to the resume there. Yeah, that's what's up. And then so once all that was over, I was working for a news station as a videographer. Oh hell yeah. ABC 25, and then um nice, and then uh Ryan Ryan wanted to make a video, and that's when he was like really doing flat lines selling a lot of boards around town and stuff. So I became the TM of Flatline and I was making their video. Hell yeah. So and that we called it Not Even Here because as we were making it, that's when Fink because he he was he was basically on the run the whole time he was here, and then it ended up catching up with him. He had to go back and serve his dime or whatever. Oh shit, I didn't know that. Yep. That's why it was called Not Even Here. Oh, that's great. And I actually I actually compiled a a little short documentary of his time here and sent it to his parole board, and they gave him a little bit of leniency. Oh wow, that's rad. Because it showed that he was like doing positive things and staying out of the room. No trouble, not not on the run fucking up. Yeah, so shout out to Fink Man, he's a really good dude. Yeah, brocan brocan. Love that guy.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

Yeah, and and Doc said that he's uh he's coming back. Yep, that's what I heard. I saw that Healy told me. Duval bound once again.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

Yeah. But he's uh Peak's got a video that he's making uh called The Trio right now with him and his uh St. Louis homies. And from what I understand, I think sometime after that drops, which I think that drops this month, I'm not sure what exact date. I want to say maybe like the 28th or some shit like that. Yeah, I think I seen it say something like that. That um I think after that I think he should be coming back from what uh Seeley was telling me. Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

So, what uh, you know, uh going back to the Flatline boys, I mean obviously that kind of transitioned into Auto Line for those that don't know, it's a pretty successful car dealership out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Yeah, so when he was doing Flatline, he started Flatline first, and he was a car salesman at different places, and then he opened Auto Line and he had a trailer on Mayport and he was selling used cars, and I had a little office in the back that we would do the Flatline skateboard stuff out of. Oh, hell yeah. And it's actually right across the street from the dealership? The dealership now. He ended up buying that property over there and expanding, and I mean his business took off so much, and yeah, and so he did exactly what he was trying to do. He was trying to give recognition to guys that couldn't go to California and get on these big companies and blah blah blah. Because like Ben Gore was on there, yeah, you know, they all started getting recognized. He went to stereo. Um there was a couple other guys. What's the guy that rides for Creature? Oh, that's what I was just thinking of. Sean. Yeah, Sean Conner. Sean Conover, he went to Creature, um Killing and Joey. You know, Joey was starting to get recognized. He was doing good in Tampa, he was on Globe, like he went on a tour with us on Globe. And I think I I don't know, he he could probably correct me, but I think Joey got to the point to where Autoline was taking off so much that he he saw his career path going towards that more. So he had to kind of push off the skate career thing. And I think he probably saw how the skate career is with people. Yeah, man. You know, and he saw he saw opportunity that man, good for him. Good for him, yeah. For sure. Him and Ryan are doing great, man. Fucking crushing it. Yeah, yeah. And you know, your skate career is only gonna last so long. For sure. Yeah, yeah. It's it's not, it's not like it'll always be a skateboarder, but I mean, come on. Yeah, unless you're telling you

Big Slams Femurs And Recovery Stories

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

hot. Right, right. Did you see that documentary? Yeah, it was so fucking good, dude. It would be a really good documentary. Everyone's scared because he's still pushing himself, but that's that feeling, right? Yeah, hell yeah, dude. For sure. Like, no, I'm gonna have this big idea that you can still do a 540 or whatever, but it's like, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

Well, I mean, yeah, my oldest Lucy, she keeps sharing because you know he broke his femur and then he And he's like skating what, like six weeks later? Yeah, and he's pumping around, dropped in on the vert ramp and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

I just saw this, I guess yesterday or something. He's like he had a session with Mike McGill and he's like doing full on backside errors and stuff. Oh wild, haven't seen that one yet. But yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

I don't know if it was like current, but yeah, well, I would I would believe that it is probably current because like I said, she's been sending me every time he posts something, and he's like so many weeks out, and it's like boom, and I'm like, I can't believe he's doing that. Like, I mean, the femur is the thickest bone in the body, and it is the only bone that has an artery running through. So, like when you break it, it is like the only bone where you actually have a legit chance of bleeding out if the bone severs your femoral artery.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

That's uh that's the bone in my hip. Yeah, that's the bone I'm getting fully replaced and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

Yeah. On both my hips. I've I've seen a lot of heavy injuries working at the skate parks and doing other things, man. But I tell you, the couple of times I've seen someone break a femur, bro. Oh, it's like you don't yeah. You like I I heard it one time guy on a vert ramp. Like you could hear, like you're like, what? What it's just a pop. And then like the pain that they're in, it's like, oh god. I never saw how he did it. They never showed that, right? No, that I didn't see how Tony broke his, no. I'm sure it was on a vert ramp. Yeah, yeah. Now he's fucking up El Toro. Actually, one of the gnarliest things, um, I was it was one of those a few years back managing Kona. It was the end of the night. It was uh probably like a weeknight, too. It was really, really slow. There was literally like three people out in the park, other than this one kid who'd been there like all weekend coming in and out, and he had a scooter and a skateboard. Apparently this guy ripped on a scooter, but he also skateboarded. So I remember him this one day coming in, and he's like, Yeah, and I'd seen him riding a scooter on the vert ramp. He's like, I'm gonna roll in the big roll-in, like on his skateboard. Oh, yeah. And so like I was like, okay, thinking to myself, you know, good luck. You know, I mean that thing's gnarly. Uh if you've ever rolled in the roll-in on the on the cone oftramp, it really like where the roll-in, that the bank of it meets the bottom of the tranny, it really shoots you out. Like it's a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

You should have just shown him the video of Wildman going down on the shop car.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:47

Right?

unknown 1:04:48

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

This is what could happen. We'll we'll we'll uh so he ended up coming in, like tightening or loosing his truck, something ends up being the end of the night. I call everybody in over the loudspeaker, and I get a phone call from my buddy Squirrel, um, who happened to be out there, he was just skating the pool, and found this guy. He went down, he tightened his truck because there was no like there was no tweaking them at all. Like it was fucking stiff as could be. And so when he hit that bottom where that tranny shoots out, he had no mobility in his board to kind of absorb that little, you know, shoot. And he just basically pitched straight to the to the ground. Right? So thank God Squirrel was out there because there's no telling how long he would have been out there before I did my park walk because he had a traumatic brain injury. Um he broke his femur in the process. Like he by the time I get out there, he's seizing, he had bitten like the tip of his tongue off, his pants were covered with blood, didn't know where to come from. No, which was shocking enough. They ended up coming. They they they put him on the stretcher, they took him out, they had what is it, the CNS fluid leaking out of his ears, the central nervous system?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:55

Oh jeez.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

Yeah, which I've only seen that happen one other time, and that was a buddy of mine scroll. Got more in the bowl. So I mean, crazy, crazy. He was from Oklahoma, and we end up getting, you know, updates over the next day or two. I had to call his mom back in Oklahoma and let her know like you need to get on a plane to Jacksonville, Florida immediately. Like your son is in you know getting taken to a hospital. He's very serious injury. Um Yeah, it was crazy. He ended up being okay. Told that he uh needs to stay away from any activities with with the you know potential of a concussion because those traumatic brain injuries can last, you know, and where it'll take a much um lesser force. Yeah. So that kid was like really, really lucky, lucky to be alive.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:41

Now he's a grandmaster in chess.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

Yeah, yeah. So that was one of the gnarliest things I've ever seen. Wow personally. Just talking about the femur. But yeah, I didn't know like it was crazy because he was bleeding, like I said, it was all his blue jeans were just blood red, and it was like had no idea where it was coming from. And then us keeping up with you know his medical condition after the fact the next couple days found out that yeah, he had broken his femur, and it was his femoral artery that was yeah, it was crazy. Yeah you could bleed out and shit. It's crazy that Tony Hawk like recovered that quickly as old as he is, and right I mean and and the amount of miles his body has on. You know what I mean? Because like a normal person being that age, without like high impact sports or you know, risky behavior or injuries. I mean, when you break something, I mean it's really never the same again. Right. You know, you'll heal, but it really, it really isn't. I mean Yeah, it it really is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

The amount of miles that man has on his body, how many slams he's taken, who knows how many surgeries.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:47

Cab a cab broke his femur a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:50

I think another one.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

It was something, yeah, it wasn't skateboarding. Yeah, yeah, I think it wasn't. And he's cruising again, but he's not trying to push it. Yeah. I don't uh yeah. I didn't actually see him skate at the 45th. No, he just I saw him skate.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

You did recently. Not in not at Kona, but in one of Hawks posts. Was that the one where he was board sliding the curb or something like that? No, no, no. He was um skating that the his Hawks ramp. Oh, where's like an old session, I think. Hell yeah. Those guys were all there. Hell yeah. Yeah, I just seen one uh maybe a week or two ago, like right after uh go uh the 45th anniversary, where's him like board sliding this long ass curb somewhere out in California? It's actually pretty dope because I was like, damn cab. But I mean he's always done long ass board slides though. So Frazier Fraser broke something too. Yeah, I can't remember what he broke. Yeah, he is I cannot believe all the old tricks that he's learning again at at Phil's place.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

Bro, it's insane. Like he's he's one of my favorite skaters of all time.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:52

He's always been one of my favorites, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

And uh, and yeah, just watching, and I what I love about his Instagram too is like every once in a while he'll find like some archival footage. Oh, yeah, and then he'll post it and be like, Yeah, that that trick you thought had never been done, so and so was doing it in 1991 or 1989 or 93 or whatever, and it's like, damn, I fucking love this shit. Dude, everything he does looks so powerful. Oh, yeah. Fast, powerful, technical. Yeah, a lot of times when you see guys super techie, they don't like skate with that kind of power. No. And it's like, and he'll revert out anything. Oh yeah. It's wild. His his his bag of tricks are just insane. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:30

I've just seen uh Ryan Jekler uh just start his own board company and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:35

Yeah, he left uh plan B to start something.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:37

Yeah, it's called like San Lon Times, the same like name as his uh skate park that he has and shit. Oh, that's cool. But yeah, apparently yeah, I don't I haven't seen anybody be at uh like them announce any team

Travel Stories Brazil Australia Vancouver

SPEAKER_02 1:09:49

writers or anything yet, but so let me ask you this, Bo.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:52

I mean, have you been a pretty well-traveled man over the years? Been able to see the country, see the world? I think so.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

More when I was doing the skate stuff. Like um with Big Brother, I went to Brazil and Australia and then lots of different places in the states, Canada a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:09

Um, where would you say that like your favorite place that you visited?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:14

Um I would say Vancouver. I've been there a lot really outside of skating too. Um yeah, it's actually I've always wanted to go up there. It's like the clean, beautiful New York. Like on the coast, like there's mountains. Yeah, snowboarding up there is pretty much. Yeah, I've been to Whistler a couple times. Oh, yeah. I think three times. Um McCrank from uh Vancouver. Um, he's from Canada. He lives in Vancouver, but he lived at Whistler for a while. Oh yeah. Because he was actually, I guess, I guess he was on track to be a pro snowboarder first. Oh yeah, no, he rips on the snowboard. And they found him at the Whistler Park on the off season or something. And that's cool. Then his skate career took off. But he owns a shop. I know he has a shop in um Vancouver and his family's there. He lives there, I guess. Oh yeah. I don't know where he's from exactly, but I think it's somewhere out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:07

Hell yeah. Yeah, I've always wanted to make it up there.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:10

Um that's cool. We did uh we did a drive. One of the tours we did was I think we maybe flew into Seattle. Which one's lower? Seattle or Portland?

unknown 1:11:22

Portland.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

Okay, so we're flew into Portland because then we drove up to Seattle and then all the way up to Vancouver and it's like a dream trip.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Yeah, the Pacific Northwest, man. Yeah, it's been calling me since I was a kid.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:34

The whole time though, I was like, oh man, we're going on this trip. It's gonna rain every day. It's gonna suck. It didn't rain one time. God damn, dude. It was like record, record highs.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:44

Oh fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

It's like awesome. We took uh I forget, I think it's called Orcas Island or something. We took a ferry over to skate some some park that was just hell yeah, man. It was awesome. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

Well, a bunch of rippers from up there too.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:58

Yeah, remember when they used to have the Savannah, or not Savannah, the um the Vancouver Slam City Jam? Yeah, so we went to a bunch of those. Oh sick. Which was that was really cool. Hell yeah. When uh when you were with Big Brother, did you ever do the uh the tour here in Florida where Steve O was on the very first tour or Steve O's first tour? No, they came through here though. That's when I first met them. I don't know if you remember the first, was it Big Brother Boob? Is that one of their that was one of their movies, right? Videos? Possibly. Shit. I can't remember. I think it was shit, shit too, boob. One of them, one of them that came through Jacksonville, and I gave them a bunch of footage, but there was this kid, there's this kid Steve at the at the uh firehouse ledges. Okay. I was filming a line of someone else, and that kid's Steve was in the background and he was going across the street and just gets knocked by this car. No shit. Does a full somersault through the front windshield over the car? It's in the big brother video.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:55

Oh fuck, I gotta find that now for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:58

I think it's Boob. Okay, I think that's the one. Maybe shit. I forget which video it was, but yeah. So that's when I first met all those guys, and that's when they were coming through on that first tour or whatever. And um, we took them around skating. Peterson has a lot of tricks in there. Um, we took him to the um tinsel town gap. Oh way back then. Hell yeah. And I think Mike Ollied it way back then. That was like in like probably '94 or something, 95. Yeah, I just watched the uh the Big Brother documentary not too long ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:29

Yeah, that's a good one too.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:31

Yeah, like where they're all talking about it and everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:33

Yeah. Let me ask you this. This is a little off topic, but just thinking about those ledges and everything. And Peterson, did are you the one that filmed him doing the kickflip out of the big bank underneath the ledges under the bridge by Mosh? Uh yeah, because that was at the end of the the Globe video. Yes. Right? Yeah, because I had that on a poster.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:51

Actually, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

Yeah, I was just thinking about that, and I was like, wait a minute. I guess he fucking filmed that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

Our buddy JD, Jeff DeMarco, he shot the photo. Oh, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:00

So that that was our little team. Me, Jeff, and Peterson were going everywhere together.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

Hell yeah. I just had that realization. I was like thinking and I was like remembering that poster, and I'm like, oh you know, you know, he just front side flipped out of it like right before he hurt his knee.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

Yeah, I saw that. So sick. Yeah, like just randomly. Like shit. Shout out to Mike Murphy for the backfoot flip off that thing over the game. What happened? Mike Murphy backfoot flipped. Oh, yeah, yeah. I filmed that. Yeah, the final video. Yeah, I filmed that. Mike Murphy, where's that guy? Yeah. He's doing Murphy Donics somewhere. He's hustling pool somewhere. I know it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:33

Yeah. Yeah. I um yeah, skateboarding is unreal these these days. I was actually Chris always likes to gripe about all the tricks that he was doing back then or now. Um goddamn. He's like, everybody would talk shit about my hard flip late flips and gnolly front flips. You know what I was like now? They're cool again. Yeah, well, uh that French guy, Ariel Jard or whatever. Dude, he did a hard flip, late flip front board. I was like, oh my god. I just saw that. That just like yesterday or something. Yeah, I sent it to him. I was like It's like a bank, the flat bar? Yeah, yeah, it's like bump the bar. I uh yeah, because anytime I see something like that, I gotta send it to him. Dude, I did hard flip late floor. All right, yeah, I'm just saying if anybody cares, dude. In case anybody cares, Chris will be posting archival footage of himself all week.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

God damn it. You know, it's crazy though, because we're in we're in digital times, so everything's documented now. Yeah, like from when I was when I was younger, I had like a sponsor me tape, and like I thought it was pretty good, had some vert footage, I had some hemming handrail stuff. Oh yeah. But I wish I had that thing now because I'd be like, man, I just put that shit on our screen.

unknown 1:15:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:43

I

Vert Ramp Building And Modern Sessions

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

know it, I know it. That's what I think about too, of all like because I had my little camp quarters and shit, but yeah, they were all on VHS tapes at one point in time, and they've all gone by the wayside. I'm like, damn, I wish I had just a fraction of when I used to be good. I know, right? In my heyday. When I could still kick flip.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:03

There I had a bunch of footage because we used to go to Tampa every weekend just to skate their vert ramp. Yeah. The vert ramp that was inside. Yeah, I've heard I've heard and I've seen the footage of it. And I would skate there with Frazier and Zitzer, and those guys were there, and and that's how I met Brian Schaefer. Yeah, they were skating there every Saturday. So I'd drive down there. I'd wake up, drive to Tampa, skate all day, and drive back. Damn, I would have probably ended up sleeping in my car. That ramp was so good. So worth it. Yeah, like that thing would just launch you. It was so good. And it was, I don't know if it was maybe it was a a mind thing that being in indoors and masonite, you know, like it was just so much softer than Kona's big blue.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

You make those mental negotiations with yourself. You're like, oh yeah, I'll I'll send it because it won't hurt.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:51

You see the roof, so it makes it feel like it's a little smaller than it is, maybe. I don't know. But I went and skated the uh I got all amped again, got a vert board together, and that St. Augustine ramp that they just built. Yeah, I built that. Well, I was one of the ones that built, yeah, the dattle pepper. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I was all stoked. We went there.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:06

Well, I mean, I didn't build it myself, Brendan, and a whole crew of people. They just asked me because I was the only one with building you know experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:14

So me and Peterson went, like I guess it was like a year ago or something. I was all stoked. I was like, oh yeah, cool. I'm gonna escape vertical. And it was a little intimidating because it looks like it's taller than it is because it's in within that fence. Yep. So it seems like it's not very wide either. And it's not wide. So I'm getting warmed up. I start, you know, I'm starting doing my mute airs again, like I'm starting to learn it. And the owner did it, was his name, Brennan? Brennan, yeah. He broke his arm.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:40

Oh, you were there for that session, damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:42

And it freaked me out. I mean, we were there like 10 minutes. Oh, damn. And I was standing on the platform on that side where he went up for an invert and he locked up. And when he went over the when he went over the the transition, he just disappeared, and all I heard was a loud smack. But he didn't like freak out or anything. He was like, Oh, yeah, it's broke. Yep, it's broke. And I didn't I couldn't see him. And both me and Peterson's like, he's he's he's fucking around, right? And then we look and it's just broke. It's like dangling, like bad, like he can't hold it or anything. Yeah, and I actually helped him. I guess it was either his or his girlfriend's CRV or his SEV. I got in there and like had to muscle him in the back and pull him into the back seat. Damn. And yeah, like I haven't skated verts since I've been wanting to go out to Phil's.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:38

I've uh yeah, I I actually was just like talking to him a couple weeks ago, and because I keep telling him, like, man, I just haven't had time to skate much lately. But I'm like, man, I want to get my vert legs back. I was like, I'm gonna come down there. He's like, Yeah, you put in all this work on it, man. Come on. I'm like, I know I've skated it twice. It's a good ramp. Also, I think because that's Todd Todd Johnson was out there with us with Clint um McQuery McQuery. Yep. Um, we had uh um Brett Turner came and helped us with uh the setting of the footers and stuff and uh and in uh leveling the flat bottom. So it was a it was a big communal effort. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

Um Brett and I were a couple years ago, there was a there's a ramp in Brunswick, and me and him were going up there to skate it, one of his friends, and it was the same, it was a little smaller, but um it was it was narrow. It was actually pretty fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:27

Yeah, I I remember hearing about that ramp now because uh you know everybody talking about the ramp up there and it being a little smaller. I had a lot of friends that were like, bro, you can skate it like a mini ramp, but it's a vert ramp. Yeah. I was like, yeah. The um Phil's looks really good. Phil's looks amazing, and I know they just widened it. Yeah, they did, and uh I say it looks which that's impressive tying into a ramp like that and like then getting it skate smooth. I mean, that's from a builder's standpoint, like props to them.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:53

Yeah, I I I think it looks less intimidating, but then Schaefer went there and knocked himself out like first go.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:00

Oh yeah, goddamn. So well, I mean, and then it always looks less intimidating until you get up on the deck.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:06

You look at something on the video, I'm like, oh yeah, dude, it's like I'm seeing all this video of like especially what Fraser's doing on that. It's just annihilating it, and then yeah, everything. Yeah, and then there's there's a whole younger generation that's there just ripping. Yeah. So must be a little bit of a lot of fun. Yeah, Virg skateboarding is live and well in Florida.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:23

It's kind of a drive, but yeah, that's uh Ocala. Yeah, but I'm out there all the time.

Florida Monkeys And Other Wild Side Quests

SPEAKER_01 1:20:28

Well, honestly, we go out there a lot. We're we're pretty outdoorsy, me and my wife, and uh we hit the state parks a lot, and like we're always going kayaking Silver Springs. And you see the monkeys? Oh, yeah, we've seen the monkeys. I got videos of the monkeys uh spit on you. No, dude, they got the herfies. They got the herp. Yeah, they got the herp. There's actually uh quite a few places around Florida where they're like small sub-populations of like 500.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

I heard in St. John's County they've been sighted.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:53

So off of 210. Florida's wild, dude. We're like the outback of America.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

Yeah, it was literally like the fucking Australian of America. Do you know the story of the monkeys?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:04

Uh well, I know that in certain areas, well, there's been I'm not really sure what is fact. So some of what I've heard the same with a lot of the parrots that have gotten out, have been from hurricanes over the years letting some out of zoos. Others have been because uh Silver Springs, they filmed the first Tarzan. That's what it was. The Tarzan and uh the creature from the Black Lagoon.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:25

And so actually when you think the Black Lagoon was filmed here. The original one back in the early.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:31

Yeah, in okay, it was filmed uh Silver Springs. You can see the huts there and everything from the original. Like, if you're gonna like what kind of fucking old thing is. So apparently they brought some monkeys and then they let them go.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:40

They didn't think they would multiply. Yeah, no, there's there's a bunch of them. Yeah, yeah, I saw videos of them jumping in people's kayaks and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:47

Oh we didn't we I heeded the warning when they told me they had herpes. I was like, we're gonna stay at a safe distance off, but no, I got a bunch of videos of them. How did the monkeys get the herpes? Um, so I don't know if you're aware of this, but like humans evolved from primates. Okay. So somebody fucked a monkey is already exactly. No. Um somebody's monkey fucking dude. No, they they don't like and they have a natural immunity to it, but they carry the herpes simplex virus. I'm a science nerd.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:18

So he's also got a bone bucket, too.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:21

Yes. I've got some on display in the case in there. Um yeah, so essentially because they've lived, you know, they're wild animals, they've been exposed to these viruses that could easily be tra I mean, fucking COVID came from a bat, right? You know what I mean? There are viruses that can be transmitted across species, and especially one that is so close to us, being that we evolved from primates. Anyway, monkeys are nasty little things. They are fucking nasty little things, dude. Especially like if you go down to Costa Rica, bro. The little ones for pets. Like everyone wants those things. Well, dude, you can train them to like rob people. Like if you go to like India, dude. Yeah, they rob them. And then the same like Costa Rican shit. I've had buddies go down there, it's like, bro, you gotta watch out, dude. The people will like train their pet monkeys, they'll come in and fucking snatch your necklace.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:10

Oh, hell yeah. Dude, I loved all the forms. They had the one where they were all in in India. Yeah, they got monkey gang wars out there. Yeah, they like you robbed all their shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

Oh yeah. Dude, I used uh when I used to cleaning pools, uh, I was out in Ponta Vidra and somebody had a uh a monkey as a pet on their back porch, like in a cage and everything. We we'd hang out and have conversations, shit, you know what I mean? Figuring out the world together.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:36

Well, damn it, man.

Where To Follow Bo And What’s Next

SPEAKER_01 1:23:38

It is uh we we've been chatting for about another 30 minutes. So we'll go ahead and uh we'll go ahead and wrap this one. Um it's been a pleasure, Bo. Why don't you tell everybody where they can find you on social media and uh and be on the lookout for all the cool uh projects you got coming up?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:51

Um my Instagram is Bo Leave It or Not. And also I have a Bo or B underscore Media. Hell yeah. Um, but yeah, um I got some video stuff in the works and I want to do the reflections. I wanna I basically want to do it on people that are doing things in North Florida that's kind of making a difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:12

Fuck yeah, you know, like that has has a story and um yeah, so that's kind of where this this started for me too. I got a lot of interest, and it's like much respect for doing this, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:25

This is awesome. Like also, like uh, you know, some of the the guys that because I'm not really foaming skating anymore. Like I got a I got my full-time job, and but skateboarding is where I came from, and it's basically gotten got me the full-time job and the experience, and you know, like that's uh it was on my resume for sure. But you know, you got like Chris Jolly and and Able Skate Mag, like you know, Nate, he's doing really cool stuff. All these guys that are keeping it together and doing it now, man. You gotta like not forget about the present, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:59

Yep, no, for sure, for sure, man. And uh big shout outs to all those guys. I've actually I've been trying to get Jolly on here for a minute. We did uh we did link up with Nate, but he uh he's always documenting everything that's going on and watching it. Yeah, man, that's a really cool thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:12

That's a really cool thing that he's doing, the able skate mag. Yeah, that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:15

Yeah, we just had that that cool uh um rail challenge too. It was the old uh Times Union rail trailer. Sick. Yeah. Oh Cameron put that together, right? Hell yeah. And he was out there for like a couple of days. He had to remove a curb and like dig out some.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:27

Shout out to Cameron, too, man. That dude's always like he's a soldier, dude. He gets out here. You know, he was hitting me up before his surgery. He's uh he was hitting me up in the morning. He's like, all right, listen, we gotta go film this double set. You know, the one he tried to rip off or whatever. So he's still gotta get that, but he wants me to film it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:42

Hell yeah, dude. Well, we will be on the lookout for that. I uh I appreciate uh Joey for uh for joining. I appreciate my brother Doc.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:50

I forgot you were here. You say one word. You wanna ask me a question or something?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:56

Uh anyway, man, thanks for uh tuning in, everybody. We'll catch you next time. Peace, love, and skateboarding. We're out.