Pauly On The Pod
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Building A Skate Scene Archive: Nate Carey of Able Skate Mag
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Jacksonville skateboarding doesn’t need more hype, it needs more history. That’s why I sat down with Nate Carey, the filmmaker and skater behind Abel Skate Mag, a platform that’s been shining a steady light on the Jacksonville skate scene for years. We start with where he’s from, how moving around shaped his perspective, and the kind of origin story only skateboarding understands: seeing Marty McFly, asking for a first board, then getting fully pulled in once real skate videos and magazines hit.
From there we get into the details that make skate culture feel real: favorite skaters and classic video parts, the parks that feel like home, why a tre flip becomes “your trick,” and how Florida skateboarding stacks up when you’ve lived elsewhere. Nate breaks down what it takes to film and photograph skating in a way that actually captures the moment, plus the grind nobody sees, the hours of editing behind a few minutes of footage. We talk why Abel Skate Mag started in 2016, how community coverage matters, and what it means to consistently show up for local events and local talent.
Then the conversation opens up. We switch gears into BLM, COVID-19, masks, voting, and how misinformation and division spread online, before detouring into UFO footage, aliens, and the late-night rabbit holes the internet makes too easy. If you care about the Jacksonville skate scene, Florida skateboarding history, skate videography, or building an inclusive local community, there’s a lot here to sit with.
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Meet Nate Carey And His Roots
SPEAKER_01I'm here with uh with a pretty rad dude who's done uh a lot to to to help you know spread the stoke, if you will, and gain exposure for our Jacksonville skate scene. Um you you might know Abel Skate Mag. If you don't, you want to check him out. I got Mr. Nate Carey with me. How you doing, buddy? Good, good, glad to be here, man. Awesome. Uh let's start off. Tell us, you know, a little bit about yourself. How old are you, you know, where you're from, your occupation, so on and so on.
SPEAKER_02Um, well, I'm 43 years old, um, originally from uh Columbus, Ohio. Uh grew up mostly in uh Charlotte, North Carolina. Um, red. I spent like a two years uh out in Portland, Oregon during the early 90s, which is pretty cool. Like I was really lucky to be out there. Uh moved here to Jacksonville in '98 and been here ever since. Um I do um I do food delivery uh just to make ends meet, and I also do um I do wedding videography and photography and stuff like that, also.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah, dude. That's rad. Um, where where about in Charlotte did you live? Because I actually lived there for like a very short time, maybe a year in between Pittsburgh and Jacksonville. And I actually moved here in like 98 or 99, like end of 98, beginning in 99, I think. Which is kind of cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um I lived in actually like a small town called Matthews, which is right outside of Charlotte.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I lived in uh Waxhaw. Oh, heck yeah. Yeah. It was like Union County or something like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. There's a little skate park out there and everything now.
SPEAKER_01Really? Yeah, there was nothing there before. There was none.
SPEAKER_02That's for sure.
SPEAKER_01A little stoked to hear that they got uh got a skate spot. So what was it, you know, kind of like for you
Back To The Future Started It
SPEAKER_01growing up? Sounds like you moved around a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, dude. It was it was cool. Um uh just growing up in a small town in North Carolina was uh interesting way to learn how to skate, like in the early 90s. It was you know, backyard ramps and um a lot of flat ground, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, parking blocks too, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, cool. So uh when did you start skating? What was your first setup?
SPEAKER_02Well, um, it was actually in uh 1986. I saw uh Back to the Future. Yes, yes, Marty McFly. Dude, Marty McFly was like the best skater I'd seen in my life, and uh I asked for a skateboard for my ninth birthday, and mom and dad are awesome. They uh got me a Veriflex from the the Kmart or whatever, and I skated that for a whole year and shredded it. And then uh on the 10th birthday, I got another Veriflex, and I didn't know nothing about skating. I didn't never heard of Tony Hawk or any of those people. I was just like I was into it. Marty McFly was like the best there was.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, dude, skitching through you know Hill Valley and everything. Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_02And uh then I started middle school and it was a bigger school. There's more kids, and there was like kids actually skated. And um, there was like a kid that like the cool kid, uh his name is Jason White, and he had like all the vans and uh vision streetwear, and yeah, yeah. He had the he basically the hot product tuned me into like real skating and gave me a thrasher and uh got a thrasher. I rented um Powell Prelts' public domain from the local video store yeah and watched that, and my mind was blown. I mean, I'd never seen a board slide in my life. I didn't know that there was like real tricks out there, and ever since then I've been hooked, uh, I asked my parents, like, please, please, can I get a real board? And they took me and I got like uh the original like Tony Hawk with the the the iconic bird skull of the bigger bird skull, yeah. Yeah, sick. So that was my first like real board. I had like tracker trucks and some type of like bones wheels or whatever.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah. No, um, I didn't get into skateboarding until I moved to Jacksonville. Um, but as a kid, I'd always been fascinated with it. Uh, and it was really because I loved Back to the Future. And it's so funny because my mom has always joked about that. She's like, I should have known from the get-go that you were gonna be a lifer with how obsessed you were with Marty McFly. And so when you said that, I was like, Yes, this is great.
SPEAKER_02That's great. I and I kind of wonder sometimes that that's why I started playing guitar too. Yeah. Well, I know, right? Full Marty McFly.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, dude.
Favorite Skaters Videos And Setup
SPEAKER_01Fuck yeah. Um, so who is uh your favorite skater? Um if you don't mind, you know, you I mean you can give a couple, it's hard, but uh shout out to some pros that are, you know, catch your eye and some local.
SPEAKER_02Okay, um definitely um Marc Gonzales was a huge influence on me because I I got the VHS, the uh video days when it came out. Oh yeah. Completely blown away and and skating switch, which is completely like new and stuff at the time. Um and you know, you know, I'm old, so I like some of the the older dudes or whatever, but um locally um Mike Peterson, he's amazing.
SPEAKER_01Dude, he was like my favorite since back in the Elenium days. He was dead, dude. He was one of my favorite pros. He's just all trained killer.
SPEAKER_02He just goes, man. He just flies. It's really interesting.
SPEAKER_01And he's still, yeah, still, he's just fucking killing it.
SPEAKER_02And nowadays, uh the the K-Bomb kids coming up.
SPEAKER_01Uh oh, um what's his name? I know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Tyler. Tyler, yeah. I'm a butcher's last name. Cushion bomb or something like that. Yeah, yeah. And um definitely uh uh Shane Carter.
SPEAKER_01Shane Shane, yeah. Um all them dudes. And big shout outs to Shane. I love I love what he's doing with the Sunshine Skate School.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Very cool, very cool. Um how about uh we were talking about videos a little bit. How about favorite video or video part?
SPEAKER_02Uh definitely um uh video days and uh Vegonza's part, dude. It's just a classic. Um you know, I also grew up uh watching like Hocus Pocus of uh H2 video.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. Um favorite skate park? Uh Emerson skate park. Yeah. Favorite skate shop. The black skate supply. Hell yeah. Favorite trick.
SPEAKER_02Uh definitely a tray flip because uh I don't know, when I was 13, I I lived with my grandparents for like a month. Uh uh and uh I just went outside and tried tray flips for like 30 days straight. And when I learned it, I was so pumped, and I came back to North Carolina to my homies, and they were like, What? I was the first kid on the bot that could do a tray flip. Hell yeah. So I've just been my trick ever since. Hell yeah. Front side or backside. Uh front side, because backside's scary. Switch or fakey. Um switch.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah. Um and what is your current setup looking like?
SPEAKER_02Uh it's uh I just recently went from an 8.5 to 825. Uh usually ride like an FA board because I just I like the shovel nose. Um indie 149 hollows and uh some some fat filmer wheels.
SPEAKER_01Like fat filmer wheels, yeah. Um thoughts on uh the Olympics?
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Jacksonville Skateboarding And What It Means
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm okay with it, you know, because um honestly, like my girl Arlene, she's tight. Like we'll we'll watch like SLS and we'll watch like we'll watch the barracks and stuff like that. But we kind of it's kind of like we watch it kind of like as a joke in a way sometimes. It's we'll be like, I don't know, it's just funny. Like she'll say, like, Chris Cole needs a stylist or whatever, or she'll make fun of like T-Pud, how his arms are flapping and whatever. It's just kind of funny. Yeah, so like I was really looking forward to the Olympics because I was gonna take the day off and me and my girl are gonna watch it. Watch it and fucking just yeah, yeah, just crack jokes. That's funny.
SPEAKER_01That's awesome. Um, how do you feel about the Jacksonville skate scene? And then how do you feel about the Florida skate scene?
SPEAKER_02It's good and great, dude. I I really because I I came from small town in North Carolina and there was no industry, no, there was no skate park for a long time. And to come here to Jacksonville, I'm just it's it's overwhelming. It's great out here in Jacksonville. It's great in Florida. We really're second to California. I mean, yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_01For sure. And all the heavy hitters that just continue to come out of Florida. It's been fucking it's been rad. Um so what does skateboarding mean to you? I mean, a lot of people kind of, you know, have really varying opinions, and I always like to hear kind of what what what you know, some people are like, oh, it's therapy, other, you know, we're an escape, and other people are just like, it fucking gave me a place to channel my energy and my my my rage and shit like that. So what what has skateboarding meant to you?
SPEAKER_02That's a that's a heavy question, man. Uh I just I just love skateboarding. I've been obsessed with skateboarding since I was 11. It's just like part of my life. Um, I'm out there skating like four days a week, you know, still. And you know, when standard time kicks in soon and I can't get to the skate park before it gets dark or whatever like that, I get so frustrated because I can only skate like maybe twice a week, and then if it rains, I only got one day a week. So yeah, it's just I I love it. It's expression, it's just be yourself and do you, man. Like that's what skateboarding is all about for me. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, and I love, you know, back when I was younger, like there were definitely certain tricks he wouldn't do because they were considered like dated, not cool anymore. And I and I think it's really rad, just kind of how you see everybody doing all sorts of trick, you know what I mean? It's kind of opened up from even the old school tricks. Like, I see a lot more people doing bonelesses and like sweepers on tranny and stuff like that. And you know, I don't know, it's been kind of cool because I remember back in the day, I was like, I was not learning a boneless, you know what I mean? It was like, no, we were learning frontside ollies, yeah, or flip the board or whatever, grab or whatever.
SPEAKER_02I I I say come as you are, man, just do you, you know, mongo push on the way to the bank. I don't care, man. As long as you're enjoying it, man. That's all that matters.
SPEAKER_01I love it.
SPEAKER_02Same.
SPEAKER_01Um, you and any other sports? No, I don't honestly, it's kind of sad. No, I don't not really. It's not sad at all. Um, everybody kind of has their thing. Uh it's kind of actually split from what I've really talked to. A lot of people are like, oh yeah, I followed this, I follow this, and then the other 50% of the skateboarders are like, nah, dude, it was like skateboarding.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's cameras and skateboarding, man. That's my life. Oh, yeah, we're gonna get into the cameras here. And
Filming Origins And Early DIY Zines
SPEAKER_01and uh actually let's just go for it. Um, when did you start getting into filming and photography? Like how old?
SPEAKER_02Um I was uh 10 or 11. I got I used to take photos and have them developed, and then I made like a little magazine called Free Skate Mag.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh back in I was in middle school and a little bit of high school, and I used to it was printed, and I used to do um I used to do pro spotlights because I wanted to be like trans world or or thresh or whatever. Right, right. And it would be like pro spotlight with Corey Kavan, like some kid on my cul-de-sac or whatever, you know what I mean? And did like five issues or something like that, and I had merch and everything, really, really bad merch, but you know, I did that for a little while. So that that started with that, and we even came out with like a full-length video called Cloud Nine. If you like, if you go on my YouTube channel, it's it's on there, dude. It's ridiculous from like 1991 or whatever.
SPEAKER_01That's rad. I'm gonna have to check that one out.
SPEAKER_02But that's where I got that's where I got my start, pretty much. And then uh I got out of it for a while, and then um uh then I jumped back into it in 2011 when I I was able I'm going to FSCJ and they uh they started offering like um uh creative programs where you can get into video and stuff like that. And I was like, oh snap. So I changed my degree into that and got a camera and I've been it's been on ever since. Yeah, 2011 was like the resurgence of me getting back into video and stuff.
SPEAKER_01So what does your uh what does your camera setup look like? Are you got multiple cameras? I mean, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_02Um shooting of the ESR and uh nice little fish eye lens and uh you know, just the basic stuff that you know that you need to to film with, man. Nothing too fancy yet. Cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so tell me about some of the events that you've covered. I mean, because if you go on your Instagram page too, um man, there's just like so much content of rad skating and cool things going on. I even love like when you know Super Dave, Red Bull Dave, you know, had the stroke, you getting on there and trying to kind of gather the support from the community to help him out, you know.
SPEAKER_02Um, you know, I felt like I had a voice. I had a I have an obligation to to help when I can and to cover events and just all that kind of stuff, man. Like, I don't know. Uh my first event that I officially did with Abel Skate Mag was at the OP park and it was kind of nerve-wracking at first, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah. But after a while I kind of got my stride or whatever, and it kind of just uh yeah, just kind of cover the events. Um I don't know, skateboarding. I I think Jacksonville needs um there's such good skateboarding out here that I felt like we needed like an a mag to to help shine a light and uh on all these talented people out here. Oh yeah. Um like the the the people before me, like uh truck stop magazine was was incredible. I I love I I have a whole stack of issues right there on the ground. Yes. And uh then uh when they kind of took took a break, um, bus stop took over and Norm was was running it for a while. And then uh yeah, Norm got Stovel. Norm Stovel, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I love I love Norm.
SPEAKER_02Dude, yeah, he's great, dude. And um, and then after he got, you know, he has he had his family and stuff. He was kind of got too busy to do it, I guess, after a while. Yeah, so that's where I picked up, and I just you know, that's I just feel like somebody should to do it. I've got the the skills to do it, so that's why I do
Why Abel Skate Mag Exists
SPEAKER_02it.
SPEAKER_01Thank you for doing it, dude. Yeah, I mean honestly, like uh dude, and the Emerson coverage is cool because like uh I don't know, you just tend to capture like skateboarding in its essence, and that's what I really like love, you know, about it's like whether it's like the boys or somebody out there breaking themselves off, trying something. And yeah, kind of like you said, like I grew up watching 411, you know, video magazine and stuff like that. And so since you've kind of kicked it off, like kind of us having our own you know video magazine here has been fucking rad. Especially like when I when I get on my Instagram feed and I'm like, oh shit, and then I'm kicking myself for missing some of the events. I'm like, damn, why didn't I make that?
SPEAKER_02Well shit, I appreciate you man you you give me a shot on that, man.
SPEAKER_01It it it's it takes a lot of work, you know. But um oh, for sure. And the editing, I mean, people don't people don't even realize like on the technical side when you really get into it, just the the time that it takes being in front of your computer, re-watching clips time and time again, listening to the same audio over and over again to just get it to where you're like, I'm happy with this.
SPEAKER_02God, you know it so well. That's right. Uh I'll be out there. I film for two hours, yeah, but I'm in the editing booth for freaking six hours or something, you know.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, I know that struggle. Um, so off the top, you got top five Raddus moments you've captured.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Holy cow. Um let me let me pause on that for a second.
SPEAKER_01All right. Yeah, you can go ahead and ponder. I know it's kind of a uh a loaded question because like I said, you've been covering so much.
SPEAKER_02Oh, um, alright. The the the both of the go skate day events this year. Uh the block where they gave the the they hooked up the kids on the east side of the boards, that was freaking awesome. I'm so glad that I was there to be able to cover that. Uh permission skate shop with their best trick contest, that was freaking amazing.
SPEAKER_01Oh, they did at that rail. Um where is that located again? I always forget the uh It's off of Myrtle Avenue. That's right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh Myrtle and like Dennis Street.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that seemed like such a rad event. Everybody just pulled up.
SPEAKER_02It was it was gnarly. I I went there a couple days before to like scout like angles and stuff like that because I knew when I got there the day of it was gonna be mad people and I it was gonna be too late. And I I found a nice little spot underneath the overpass and just shot from there. I don't think half the people probably didn't even know I was there filming. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that was a really, really good event. Uh just you know that and the the Emerson uh Shuly Christmas jam. So those are all good, always good because people from all over, like the Orange Park Beach and and uh everywhere. Uh St. Augustine, you know, shout out everybody. Everybody was there, you know. Uh I like the the the community, the the skate community.
SPEAKER_01Oh, for sure. So yeah, no, that's one thing we definitely have here in North Florida is one healthy fucking skate community. Love it. Um so when did you start Able? Like officially, like what year?
SPEAKER_02Uh 2016. Um I I'd already been filming my friends and stuff like that. And um I got injured skating, and I was like, man, I still want to keep going to the skate park and stuff like that. And so I was like, Well, I can't skate for a month, so I'm just gonna film and take photos of everybody until I get better. And I said, why not start a skate mag? So I just decided to start a skate mag. I sent a picture of the logo to my my girlfriend Arlene, and she was like, Oh, it's a good looking logo. She goes, Yeah, but do you think you're gonna be able to commit to a real skate magazine? And I was like, I don't know, maybe it might last six months. I don't know, we'll see, you know, and then it's here we're here we are now on um a couple days, it'll be four years.
SPEAKER_01Wow, hell yeah. Congrats on that. No, I definitely know that it was kind of the same when I wanted to do the podcast, and I was like, Well, and I've got all these interests, and I kind of don't have enough time to do them all, so I just want to talk to people that are doing them, you know what I mean? And yeah, my old lady was like, Yeah, but you got two daughters, you work, like you can have time to do this, and I don't know, it's just kind of been happening, so I'm rolling with it and humbled by the support, that's for sure. That's great, man. Um, so why Abel Scapemag? What's the story behind the name, if you will?
SPEAKER_02Um, well, I like to say that Abel is kind of like an all-inclusive name, or like we're all able, you know, we're all able to to do good things for our community, we're all able to come together, and um similar to like how the block is able to, you know, uh uh get boards together and donate them to k children and stuff like that. But I I I have to say the the real roots of the name Abel came from um uh when I moved here in '98, um I started making uh hip hop music with my friends and stuff like that. Like that here. And uh they gave me the name Abel. So that's where it kind of that's where it actually started. But it's not like Nate Skate Mag, you know. I don't nobody really calls me Abel, so I just kind of use the name because every you know, when I asked around when I started the mag, like, what do you think I should call it? and everybody everybody That I knew we were like, just call it Able Skate Mag.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's sick. Cool. Um, so uh what's on the horizon for Able Skate Mag? Any projects in the works?
Projects Ahead And Documentary Dreams
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna continue filming and doing my stuff. Um, I recently been shooting some street clips. Um can't wait for that video to come out. Um, and uh did a little video uh over there at Willie's place at the Saplands. I'll be coming out with that in a few days. Um yeah, just keep doing what I'm doing, man. That's pretty much I I don't even know. It just kind of happens and I film it, you know. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um have you ever done like anything like a documentary or anything like that?
SPEAKER_02Um no. I done a short film, but I've never done a documentary.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't know why. I just I feel like if anyone was gonna do a rad fucking documentary about like Jacksonville skateboarding, I think you could fucking put out a fucking rad ass one.
SPEAKER_02I would actually enjoy that.
SPEAKER_01That's a pretty good idea. Well, there you go. I hope uh I hope that was the spark to start you know, start the fire of the Able documentary. Yeah. Um what or who inspires you just in general? It could be you know on the board, off the board in life, like because you know, you definitely seem to be you know all inclusive with you know the name, able, how you're saying we're all able and you you know coming to work together as a community, and what inspires you to go out and just kind of be the best nate you can be every day?
SPEAKER_02Um, my friends, my family, you know, my girl and the kids are all great. And um, yeah, that's that's it, man. Like, you know, that's yeah.
SPEAKER_01Right on. No, uh, dude, that's about as pure as it gets. Um, what kind of music are you into? I see you got a guitar on the wall. How long have you been playing?
SPEAKER_02Uh I started when I was uh 15 because uh a kid down the road, I was living in Portland at the time. Uh kid down the road gave me his acoustic uh guitar, like he had an extra one, and I've been hooked ever since and was playing paying music. Uh but as far as like what I listen to, um I like MacDemarco and uh cool Conan Moccasin and just some weird shit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Um so how old were you when you lived out in Portland?
SPEAKER_02Uh I was 15 and 16 years old.
SPEAKER_01Cool, yeah, right there in the real formidable teenage years.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the burnside wasn't fully uh built yet. It was still kind of in the early stages of it. I was really, really lucky to be out there. I just want to say uh I was lucky to skate around people like uh Matt Beach and um uh Rockman Chung and uh Jamie Fortune. Like I skated around those dudes, like we were skating the same spots and stuff. Uh it was cool, man. Like being at Burnside back then, like randomly would see pros show up, Cardiel. I saw Hassoy showed up, he was wearing white Doc Martens and just ripping. And that was like during his like really drugged out phase, you know what I mean? I don't know. It was wild a lot of times to be bad. To be around Portland at that time period was just like I feel incredibly lucky to be at the right place at the right time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Have you ever played in any bands?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I had a few bands in uh North Carolina were called uh the Fontaines. Uh with um The Fontaines, how'd you get that one? Oh, we we couldn't think of a good name for the band or whatever. We were just like we had uh like dictionaries and we're just like flipping the pages and we're just like stabbing at it, you know, and we're like Fontaine? What about that one? We're like scow with it, and yeah, bug it. Yeah, uh Taylor White and Chris uh Stuart uh Parker were the guys in my band. We we had a great time. We did shows and did the little rock star thing for a good summer.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah. Fucking that's that's rad. Um so what kind of mo uh movies are you into or shows? Like what you know, when you're unwinding.
SPEAKER_02Uh Breaking Bad, uh Ozark. Yes. Um movies would be uh oh man, it's a Cohen Brothers film. Uh No Country for Old Men. Like Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_01Dude, that's incredible. The Cohen Brothers are dope. They're fucking so rad. I love the way they film.
BLM COVID And A Divided Country
SPEAKER_01Um so let's uh switch gears a little bit, talk about some serious stuff. What are your thoughts on everything going on in the country right now from like the Black Lives Matter movement to the whole COVID-19 pandemic?
SPEAKER_02Um, I totally support the uh BLM 100%, man. You know, it's I I just I it sucks that we live in 2020 and things just seem stagnant and they're not changing. We're just I agree. This is sad. Uh COVID, uh here's uh what I think in six to eight months we'll have a vaccine, and um they'll they'll give it to the the people in the healthcare community, and then they'll give it to the elderly and the people that have immune deficiencies and stuff like that. And then after that, the general population. And um slowly but surely we'll start opening our restaurants and our bars and everything. We'll go back to shaking hands and fucking just being cool, man. This this uh this shit sucks.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, dude. I still cannot get used to like the elbow bump. Every time like I see somebody all like, oh, what's up, bro? Like elbow bump mean I still like want to just go like dap them up or like fist bump. I'm like, what? Yeah, this is fucking awkward. Um yeah, no, I totally agree um with what you pretty much just said, uh, especially with the feeling stagnant. That's been one of the most bummer things. It's like we're you know, we can be so advanced in so many ways, but it's like we're so behind in others, you know. And uh from just the prison industrial complex and how you know we're constantly locking up people for nonviolent drug offenses instead of investing in rehab centers and trying to rehabilitate civilians, you know what I'm saying? And and same, like people with mental health issues, you know, like it's just sad, especially to see, you know, we we growing up, man, it was like, oh yeah, you know, they're learning about the civil rights movement. It was like, oh, we've come so far as a country, and then the older you get, and it's like realize, no, we really just kind of put a veil over all the fucked up shit that's still going on. And true. And I think it's all kind of been coming to light because social media.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Which is a gift and a curse. Everybody's got their soapbox now. Right. So you get a lot of fact and stuff that's going on that you might not really, you know, in the past, we didn't have people streaming live from protests in the middle of the crowd. You had to get what was on the news network. You know what I mean? But at the but at you know, the catch to that is then you got a lot of people out there making uh posts and memes and you know threads uh manipulating truths. And so it becomes opinionated and which people get really hyped up on alternate facts. Alternate I like that. Alternate facts, yeah. Um and it really caused it's causing more division in some aspects than it is unity, like just the COVID. Like the fact that wearing a mask has been like politicized, the public health like thing is like kind of sad to me. It is sad. You know what I mean? It's like that's one thing that we're talking about. Politicians are like, oh, you know what I mean? Why? Why is this even an issue? We should all just want to protect our neighbor. And if you think wearing a mask is oppression and you got a problem with Black Lives Matter, then you are just blind, you know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, science is science. You can't argue with science, you know. We wear our masks to protect, you know, it's it's silly. Yeah, political politicizing it is just ridiculous.
SPEAKER_01Um, so do you have like any particular political views or aligned with any political party, or are you just kind of um neutral?
SPEAKER_02I was uh independent um for like most of my life, and then recently I switched to Democrat so I can vote in the primary, yes, for Bernie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was a big Bernie fan. Um I also really liked Tulsi Gabbard. Um, but yeah, no, I uh I totally feel you. My mom did the same. I've yet to be able to break down. I just think having closed primaries is kind of fucked up to begin with. You know, you should let the citizens be able to vote. Doesn't matter what even if you're independent, you could should be able to vote in a primary. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because we don't have political affiliation. There's a lot of states that allow that. There's a lot of states that don't.
SPEAKER_02Well, you know, during the uh the primary many years ago, back when uh Hillary was going against Barack in uh 2008, um there was um there were some states where it doesn't matter what your political affiliation is, you can vote in a primary. And they the a lot of the the right wingers like um Rush Limbaugh created like Operation Chaos, where they were trying to get a bunch of people in like, let's just say Idaho, they're trying to get a bunch of people in Idaho to vote in the primary for Hillary because Obama was killing it everywhere, but they they were trying to create chaos and make it a closer thing. So I mean there's good and there's good and bad, you know, when it comes to, you know, I can't I'm trying to make my point, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01No, I feel you. There's there's always a catch. Yeah, you know. Um so uh let me ask you this. Um, because there's been a lot of talk about people who are, you know, convicted felons, even if they did serve their time. Do you think they should have a right to vote? Yes, absolutely. And do you think if someone does not exercise their right to vote, that like I just see all these signs, it's like, oh, if you don't vote, then it's a vote for this. Or it's like almost like get trying to guilt people into voting for your you know, you know what I'm saying? And I'm just like, I don't look at someone as like doing a public disservice because they're not voting. Because there's been plenty of times that I like like I don't like the Republican candidate, I don't like the Democratic candidate, you know? So why I'm about to vote for lesser two evils? And then what if they start doing things in their administration that I don't approve of? And then I'm looking myself in the mirror, was like, well, I should have just never voted for him. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Some people get really like when you tell them it's like, no, I don't want to vote, or no, I don't vote. People get really, really sensitive about it. I personally am like, free country. It's your right to vote, your free will to do it or not.
SPEAKER_02I think if you're uninformed about the candidates, then don't vote.
SPEAKER_01I agree. Yeah. You know. Which there is a lot of that, and especially people just voting on their political party. Oh, they'll just support whoever's on the red ticket or they'll support who's ever on the blue ticket. That happens a lot lately. Yeah. Um, but we can uh well actually, what are your thoughts on Trump?
SPEAKER_02Come on, give it to me. Uh he's just a very divisive character. It's just sad. He's always gotta like get on his his Twitter and just he just can't let it go.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he's uh I think he's gonna go down in America, like hundred years from now, he's gonna go down as like the most embarrassing president, period, hands down. Uh yeah, I agree completely. Um, thoughts on Biden?
SPEAKER_02Uh not an enthusiastic candidate, you know what I mean? But you know, you whatever. I'm lesser two evils. I'm gonna have to vote for him. I voted for Hillary. Uh sad, I didn't want to vote. I had to plug my nose and voted for Hillary, you know, four years ago. But uh I'll just basically, you know, fight for Biden.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, uh any any anything's better than the status quo that is, you know, our kind reality.
SPEAKER_02I've switched off the news because I'm I'm like a news hound. I've just been obsessed with politics and and news and stuff like that. But lately it's just just I just can't anymore.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I agree actually, and it's been more of a circus than I ever thought it was before, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um so uh are you a religious person?
Faith Conspiracies And UFO Curiosity
SPEAKER_01And I that's a personal question, you don't have to answer if you don't want to. Um not not not exactly. No. It's kind of spiritual, I guess. Yeah. Um, you believe in any crazy wild conspiracies? You know, we talked about the age of social media and YouTube and everything. There's a million and one documentaries about crazy shit. No.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. Yeah, not really. Thoughts on flat earthers? It's kind of funny. I don't know how people could think they're through flat right now, but okay.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think it's I think it's funny. And I've had a couple of them encounters where people try to argue with me too, and I'm just like, you can't, I'm not trying to, I'm not I'm not trying to prove my point to you, so don't try to prove your point to me. Yeah. You believe you believe in aliens? Oh yeah, yeah, they're aliens, yeah. Uh you think intelligent life or you know, just kind of life out there?
SPEAKER_02They're uh they gotta be intelligent. I mean, it's just uh it's mathematically it's it's gotta be true. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I agree. I've I feel like there's no way within all the vast planets and stars and potential, you know, for life to be out there, that there's I mean, um there's definitely single-celled organisms out there. There's definitely gotta be some other form of complex life. And I'm just like, there's no way I'm not really a real I'm a man of science, not really a man of faith. So that's what kind of the way that I look at it too, is like statistically, there's gotta be some other form of intelligent life. It's not probably bipedal and you know, like us and how we personify aliens, I think, in all our movies.
SPEAKER_02Right, right.
SPEAKER_01You know, it might not be anything like what we are what you know what I mean, but it could still be an intelligent life form.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I I didn't I didn't think until fairly recently that that aliens we'd ever seen any real UFOs, but there's been some lately the the Navy and the Pentagon have been releasing those those videos, and they're like, we don't know what it is here, you know, just look at it. We don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, um I was listening to the Joe Rogan when he had Lieutenant Colonel Favor, I think that's his rank in his last name. He was the guy that and he's never he's a military guy, he's very rational, kind of to the point. Never had any history of embellishing anything, never claimed to believe in UFOs or aliens before, and he had this encounter and they release some of the footage. And it's like you can see on his radar and everything, just instant acceleration to like crazy speed, and then it disappear and then it reappears somewhere else, like completely, like what instantaneously, like how they get from here to here, right? Um, so yeah, that's mainly that's mainly uh that's opened up my eyes a lot more to like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, I've been watching the History Channel, like stuff about that too, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and the fact that uh they're releasing videos and stuff like that now, it just goes to also show like the power of the internet, just not nothing secret anymore, you know what I mean? Because there was like leaked footage of stuff like that. I I just think that it's spreading the information too many people are believing, and so now they're like, oh shit, we can't really lie forever. So I think it's only gonna be more more encounters or more unexplained things happening. Yeah. Everybody's got a camera in their pocket now, too. Right. Little pocket computer. Yeah. Um, which up in uh there's like the Bermuda Triangle, if you will, in Alaska. I say that with air quotes. Okay. Um, because there's an area in the wilderness of Alaska that has more people that vanish and more people that claim to have been abducted by aliens and have had alien encounters than anywhere else in the world. It's kind of crazy. Interesting. I'll look it up, I'll check into that. There was a I think Scarlett Johansson movie might have been her, the fourth kind that came out a few years back that was based off of a lady's encounters and everything in her. It was an entertaining movie, but it was she's her she was living in that area, and there's a bunch of Oh, wait, close encounters of the four. No, no, it's called the fourth kind. Yeah, just the fourth kind. All right. Um, where she kind of I think her husband ended up dying tragically, so a lot of people thought it was her going through post-traumatic stress, but there was she was a therapist and she was videoing her patients who claim to have been abducted and seeing a white owl you know outside their window. Well, the white snow owl kind of looks like an alien face anyway, big menacing eyes, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, it's just very interesting, and uh they actually have some live interviews and stuff mixed in there. And I'll check it out. Check it out. I will go go down the wormhole or the rabbit hole if you will. Uh oh. Yeah. I've been there before. Oh, yeah, too many times. Yeah, it's like, oh, YouTube's so great. Just being up at like 3 30 in the morning and like seeing you know the memes, watching the little Indian guys hand dig pools and stuff. Have you seen that?
SPEAKER_02No, I don't think I have seen that one.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. Dude, there's like this whole YouTube channel, and it's these little native guys. I feel like over in India or somewhere like in Asia, and they literally just go in the woods and they start digging a little like trench, and like we'll even have like a hut in the middle, like on a little island, and then they just hand carrying all this water, and they basically show you how these people with no electricity build these little like huts with a pool. You gotta watch it.
SPEAKER_02It's crazy. They put I'm going down that rabbit hole too, man.
SPEAKER_01They they put it they put it on time lapse, so you get to watch it, you know, okay happen pretty quickly. I'm checking out all this uh for real. Yeah, it's it's good. Um
Podcast Habits And Trick Name Debates
SPEAKER_01so uh I know you said I'm stoked you've listened to a couple of my episodes. I mean, you listen to any other podcast normally or any like talk radio.
SPEAKER_02Uh it's nerdy, but I'm gonna say the NPR politics podcast, um the nine club sometimes, you know, it's pretty good. But lately they do a lot of these video um they do a lot of video reviews, and when you're listening to an audio podcast, it doesn't translate. Yeah. Uh so like if there's like a stop and chat or something like that with like, you know, somebody that that's usually pretty good.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, no, I I the video reviews I I've been watching those, which like that one, let me ask you this, they were arguing over it. You saw the one where you like either backsmithed or front feebled the circular tub, it's like a water basin and super thin.
SPEAKER_02I know I know who did that, yeah. Chase or something. Yeah, you you know the clip, right? I think uh yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01So because he the way they were arguing that it was a front side feeble or a backsmith because the way that he approaches it, once he locks in, it looks straight backsmith, but he pops up and over because it's a circle. So when he's coming out, he technically is like front side and so they were arguing that. I get it, yeah. That's funny. They're like, is it a front feeble or is that an Ollie over to backsmith? That's so funny.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't that's funny. I gotta see that one. Yeah, I get I get it though. I get that argument.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, that's the same too. It's like, uh, I don't know, to me, just because of the look of it, I'm like, yeah, that's just a backsmith. Because the way he's locked in and his feet placement and everything, and even kind of the way Oh man, that reminds me of the argument of like uh uh fakey cab.
SPEAKER_02Like a faky cab is backside, but if you do it gnarly, like with the same bodily motion, it's front side. And we've had this debate before at Emmy and online and everything like that. Like, okay, let's let's say you do a regular half cab, a half cab Ollie, that's a backside, a faky backside 180. But if you do uh if you're if you do it gnarly, you're doing a front side, but it's the same body motion. Yeah, yeah. This is kind of that just reminds me of like similar, like oh for sure.
SPEAKER_01No, that was honestly one of the weirdest things growing up, like learning everything was what's wait, what's front side and what's backside, you know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when it goes gnarly, it's it switches. Yeah. Or something, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think it's because they they go off of which way you your which side of your body is kind of fit, you know, you're turning your back for golly backside 180 is what I'm trying to explain. Okay, okay. So so so gnarly backside when you're coming to gnarly, you would be turning your back in the direction you're going.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_01You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I see. And the same gnarly front side you'd be turning, but I agree. It's like, well, how can your body be spinning the same way? You know what I mean? Between half cab and golly, it's like, what makes one front side one backside?
SPEAKER_02Stance. I don't know. It's a tough one. Yeah. Yeah, I was trying to think if there's any any other like little riddle things that we we discuss at M Emmy or wherever.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, I'm sure you guys have some epic conversations. What is a typical, you know, Sunday at Emmy with the boys?
Jax Parks History And Florida Heat
SPEAKER_02I mean, uh, just just show up whenever you want. It's kind of funny. Sometimes like people will come out there and they'll be like, Why didn't everybody tell me y'all were coming out here? And it's like, we all came by ourselves. Like, nobody didn't plan it or nothing. Yeah, we all just showed up. So just show up and just you know, say hi to everybody and we'd, you know, crack open some beers, skate, and stay there till it gets dark. Yeah, I got lights, man. I might bring lights out there soon, man.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah, dude. I got a little construction tripod lights that would light that place up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Light up the corridor, light up whatever, dude. And they got a grill out there. There's a grill out there, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_02It's fun, man. It's a great, great place to go. Not the best ramps. I mean, I like all the parks in Jacksonville, but you know, it's the closest one to me. And um that's the vibe is cool. Vibe's always cool. It's you know, it goes through ups and downs, you know what I mean? Been coming out there since 2001, man. I've seen sons of people come and go, you know. It's but it'll always be home base for me.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah. Yeah, I definitely um I you know, I like all the parks here in North Florida in general. Um, Kona's always I was the first concrete ever skated. So it's like Kona always will be like home. Even though I don't, you know, I might not go there for a long time. You know, whatever, it's just always like just feels like home, you know? First conquer 'cause when I moved here we were in the neighborhood like only a couple of days, neighborhood kids came and were like, Hey, how you doing? We're so and so like we're going to Kona tomorrow, you should come. And it's like, What's Kona? And like before that, you know, I just like we said, seen skateboarding growing up and I had had a skateboard my cousin gave me. But we had cobblestone streets in my borough. Like there was not really anywhere to skate. So, you know, I got here and it was like Kona was like the d open gates to you know, new world for me. Yeah. Yeah. And just in the in the the culture and the history, but dude, I love I love Monument. Jack's Beach is obvious obviously super dope. It's just can be crowded a lot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I like Jack's Beach is is awesome. I d I'm terrible at it. I just can't I don't have any tricks there, but I like going. It's fun.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't skate there enough to really have any killer lines. Um but it's definitely a fun park. I like hitting it early.
SPEAKER_02I gotta say, on a Kona note, like uh I had known Kona for years before I moved down here to Jacksonville. And when I when I first thing I did when I got to Jacksonville was go to Kona, and I was like, there's a Kona Avenue, no way. Like I was blown away, and then I got there, and when I saw like the big the monolith of concrete that that is Kona, I'd never seen anything like it in my life, and I'll never forget just being like, what the I could never seen something so big.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I remember when the first time I walked out the back door and just seeing the bowl and everything, and I was like, This is nothing like I expected. Just completely like oh shit moment, you know? It was bigger than what it looked like in the magazines. Yeah. Um yeah, that's cool. And it's cool watching the phases and everything. It's been rad just being here like, you know, the past 20 years or whatever, and seeing the change of the skate scene. Like I remember when they built Treaty. It's weird because like the kids nowadays they look at Treaty as like this skate park that's been there forever. You know, because they've they're growing up with it. I remember when they built Treaty. I remember skipping school to go down there and hop the fence before it was ever like officially open. Nice. Yeah, and meeting we had uh shop outer limits. I'm sure you remember that in the mall.
SPEAKER_02I wrote for them.
SPEAKER_01You did? So you know uh you knew the Richies? I live with them. Yep, yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, I remember uh skating with them at Kono because I worked there as a teenager, and then even one of the days we skipped went down there and they were down there and we hopped the fence and shit.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I gotta also say I wrote I wrote for Nicotine Skate Shop. Shout out to the city.
SPEAKER_01Oh, shout out to Nicotine. Yeah, that's in dude, that's the one I haven't heard in a while. Yeah, that was um good time. Yeah, there's a couple other let me see people I forget from Oh, do you you know uh Gus Cooper?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Shout out to Gus and Coop's Fuego sauce. Super talented filmmaker. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's a rad guy. I went to high school with him. Um and there was a kid, Chris Nanny. I remember kind of around that time. Did you know him?
SPEAKER_02I get him mixed up with another Chris. Um but yeah, I know Chris Shin. Yeah, those two. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I used to go I remember as a kid saying like everybody would be like, Christian, Chris Nanny, get them mixed up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um yeah, shout out to Christian, actually. He's uh he's a he's a real rad bartender.
SPEAKER_02Dude, I saw like one of his uh his live videos where he was making a mixed drink or whatever. It was he's really knows his craft.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, he's into it. I think he's at the Volstead, so you should uh definitely go check him out. Most of that. But yeah, but I haven't seen Chris Nanny in a long time. That was one kid back in the day I remember skating special with a lot, especially Height of the Outer Limits days and shit like that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I like Chris Nanny. He's always always a really nice kid. I haven't seen him in decades. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um you remember the skateboard house?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. Yeah, skateboard house was uh Yeah, that was a good little park. I went there a few times. I remember one time the I think it was the flip team or something, uh or somebody. Ray Barbie was there, that's all I know. Fuck yeah. It was it was good.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, yeah, I love their little bowl that they had in there. It was just nice because we had an indoor park. For sure, for sure. That's one thing I would love for us to get back. It's a legit like indoor park. Yeah, it would be really nice. Skate Lab was cool too, but I don't know, it just always seemed crowded.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a small place. Yeah. Yeah, so it got crowded pretty pretty quickly over there.
SPEAKER_01Or even if we could just get one of those pavilions, like I see, especially out in like Oregon and shit like that, there would be these massive concrete bowls and they got those like steel pavilions over 'em because of rain and shit like that, and too.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, dude, can we please, can we please get something like that? For sure, for sure. Cause it's brutal out here. Yeah, the shade would be good. Yeah, just the shade. Like that's all we need. For real. We're already dying from the humidity. Oh my god. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, it's been, it's funny meeting new people here from from other places, and that's the first thing they're like, I don't fucking get how you skate in this.
SPEAKER_02Like, yeah, I moved here in '98. I was from North Carolina, and I moved here in the month of June. And I guess I got here at nighttime, and then the next day I like went outside because I was like, I'm gonna go skate or whatever. And I went outside and I was like, oh my god, how do you live like this? This is crazy. I've never been around humidity or anything like that before. Got used to it. Just kind of living in Florida, you just kind of get used to the idea that you're just gonna just sweat all day. If you're outside, you're just gonna sweat.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's it. Oh yeah. That's uh I don't leave my house without a backpack full of multiple shirts and socks. I can deal with like the the the sweaty shorts or whatever, but like if my feet get drenched after a while and I can't stand blisters and just wearing a stinky smelly shirt, it's a must-have. You gotta have like a Florida daily survival bag that you take with you.
SPEAKER_02I got four shirts in the trunk of my car right now just for that. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I can't uh So uh you think uh you think Jacksonville or Florida is gonna be like home for you? Is it gonna be it? Or you think uh you might get a wild hair and ever relocate? 'Cause sometimes I grew up, you know, up north and you know did move a little bit, but uh I miss the four seasons a lot, especially this time of year when we start to approach what would normally be fall that we don't have down here. Um and I think I'm like, oh my god, I can't die in Florida. But then again, I love Jacksonville so much, I'm like, I would I don't know if I ever want to leave.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um I used to think about going back to Portland or whatever. But uh my my uh parents, they they visited there for like three months and they said it's just not the same city it was back in the 90s, it's just changed a lot. Um, but yeah, I'm Jacksonville's dope.
SPEAKER_01Like I'll I'm just gonna stay here. Well, cool. I'm glad to have you here,
Where To Find Abel Skate Mag
SPEAKER_01man. And uh I really appreciate everything that you're doing for the community and uh and all the exposure you're given. And I look forward to all the future projects. Why don't you tell everybody where they can find you on social media and all that?
SPEAKER_02Um yeah, just able go to ableskate mag.com or just look up ablescape mag on Instagram, check it out. I'm trying to, you know, shine a light on local talent here in skateboarding. That's that's what I do. And uh hey, if if you need uh any other type of video events, uh look me up at uh ablemediaworks.com.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah. Hell yeah. And you can catch him at Emerson Skate Park on Sundays with the boys. You bet. All right, man. Awesome. Thanks again, and uh appreciate everybody for listening. Hey man, I'm glad to be on. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00Later on the turn, I'm gonna have to like.
Next Guest Tease And Sign Off
SPEAKER_01I wanna go ahead and give big thanks and uh shout outs to Nate Carey and Able Escape Mac. It was an awesome episode. Definitely check out everything they got going on and all the projects they have in the works. Uh you will not be disappointed. Big thanks and shoutouts to all of our sponsors and all of the supporters of the podcast. Without y'all we would not be doing this. Episode 23. I've got a good one coming up. Get the link up via phone with the West Philly rapper King Shant. We talk about uh talk about a hell of a lot of things. Uh we talk about his new track, Send Him to God, is ranked number 28 on DJ Premier's top 50 tracks that are hot right now. Um he's got thousands and thousands of plays on his SoundCloud. He's just he's burning up the cloud. And uh we we talk about a a whole hell of a lot more, everything from politics, black lives matter, you know, all the everything going on right now, COVID, you you you name it. Um go ahead if you don't mind, like, subscribe, follow, share, all that cool stuff. And uh and don't forget to tune in for episode twenty-three. Thanks for listening. It's your boy Paulie signing out. Until next time. Peace.