Pauly On The Pod
A podcast experience that dives into the world of skateboarding, art, music, the counter culture lifestyles and much more! Journey down the rabbit hole with Pauly Walnuts, a longtime skateboarder and connoisseur of all things rad, to uncover some of the most talented people you may have never heard of.
Pauly On The Pod
The Comeback
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Two years disappears fast until you try to hit record again. We’re back at Kona Skatepark in Jacksonville with BC in the background and a lot to catch up on: why the show went quiet, what it felt like to come back, and how we’re rebuilding this thing with better gear, clearer intentions, and way more consistency.
We talk through the real behind-the-scenes of a podcast relaunch, from video plans that kept breaking to the budget reality of doing it yourself. You’ll hear our thinking on posting the core skateboarding conversations publicly on YouTube, then possibly putting the longer, goofier, more unfiltered cuts behind a small Patreon paywall so the show can fund itself without turning into a clout chase.
From there it turns into what we love most: skateboarding community life. The Kona concrete vert ramp restoration is a huge win, and we shout out the people who put in the work to make it smooth, fast, and scary in the best way. We also get into the stuff that keeps a skatepark healthy long-term: basic respect at events, why we don’t want smoking around kids and families, and how leadership matters when the crowd gets excited. Along the way we hit contest culture, sponsor drama, sobriety and role models, aging and acceptance, and BC’s view of skateboarding as a tree with endless branches.
If you’re into skate culture, DIY spots, vert ramp talk, and honest conversations that still make you laugh, press play. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a comeback story, and leave a review with the one part you want us to go deeper on next.
Mic Checks And Cold Open
SPEAKER_06Check check check. Hey hey hey How we doing? Check check check check. We need more doc in the mix. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03We need more doc in the mix. Need the doctor. Too much talk. Too much doc. Too much dark in the mix. We need less doctor. Let's fucking go.
We Are Back After Hiatus
SPEAKER_06Hey everybody, it's your boy Pauly.
SPEAKER_00Polly wants your mama's sweet ass.
SPEAKER_06All day, every day, and you know I got my boy with me, Dr. Jones.
SPEAKER_00You Paulie, Dr. Jones.
SPEAKER_06What's up, buddy? Nothing much.
SPEAKER_03I don't want your mama's sweet ass, but uh you know. Always on the prowl.
SPEAKER_06Always on the prow. Um, yeah, man. Always on the prowl. We've been missing. We're back. Yeah, dude. You've been prowling, people have been looking. People see you've been the creep behind the vert ramp this whole time.
SPEAKER_03I don't know how nobody didn't notice me. Um I mean, sure, if I gained some weight and you're like, how'd you gain weight? If you've been homeless, well, if you eat enough leaves and dirt, you'll start gaining weight.
SPEAKER_06It's called intestinal blockage. It's not leaving once it enters. Yeah, dude. Pure poundage, baby.
SPEAKER_03I need some fiber.
SPEAKER_06Anyway, uh, we're stoked to be back. This was our first like full real recording in 2026, and it all just felt like man, we recorded that episode with BC, and then it took us two years to finally get it out. It felt only right that we actually had him on to talk to him currently. So uh we had the homie BC right back on again, uh kind of for a back-to-back from the way that it's posted, but there was a uh two-year and a month gap. Um but happy August 2026. Um lot of things have happened uh since we were off the air.
Missing Coasters Flyer Prank
SPEAKER_03Dude, we we should talk about the missing coasters for a minute.
SPEAKER_06Okay, yeah. Well, that was uh something funny that was kind of like an idea that Ophelia originally had about us coming back because she watched uh Search for Animal Chin. And then I told you about her idea, and then you totally ran with it, like wrote up a little script about it, and uh you made those wanted those missing flyers mostly. I kind of came in to to finish them up. And then yeah, we printed.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, we printed we we uh what's that had Chad GBT help me out a little bit, but you know, we'll talk about that later.
SPEAKER_06Oh cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater. Anyway, had a wife kept on what do you say had had a wife and always beat her or something like that. Cheater, cheater, pumpkin eater, had a wife and always beat her, something like that. Anyway, it's neither here nor there. We do not condone, we condemn domestic abuse and violence. Um goddamn right. I don't play that shit. No, but uh the flyers, uh I was taping them up and just everywhere and like just taping them up briefly to get little clips, you know, for Instagram stuff to kind of create a little like, hey, we're gonna be back. We've been silent, but we're we're coming back. We've been missing. Um and then and then we some people got the joke. Yeah, most people got the joke. Most people got the joke, but shout out the to the people that uh didn't get the joke and um expressed their concern to Martin. We don't need to name any names, but we just want you to know we appreciate y'all. Fucking thank you. Um, and that made it all uh even even more worthwhile. So uh we're all about uh you know jokes and laughter. What is uh what did Big Jokerson? It's all love and laughs over here, bruh.
SPEAKER_05Same with us, man.
SPEAKER_06Jerry O'Connell, all love and laughs over here, bruh. Um so anyway, that was a highly successful mission to let everybody know we've been missing, but now we are back. Um back in a big way. We got a lot of things planned.
Technical Struggles And Video Plans
SPEAKER_06Um this episode that does have BC, we actually um did record it. Um had the output from my mixer going into the to my phone and we recorded on my phone, but just like every other time we tried to incorporate video, um the the audio came out fucked up on it. So I finally on the pod without yeah, it wouldn't be poly on the pod without those technical difficulties, baby, because uh goddamn it, man. No matter how hard I try. But I've been trying to uh do, I guess, the uh budget friendly way, because fucking I'm blue collars fuck and I don't got money like that. You're disabled, you know I don't got money like that. So we out here doing it for the love of the game, spending our own dime. Um, but you know what? Fuck it. I just finally broke down and ordered some webcams. I'll be ordering a video switcher.
SPEAKER_07Um, and so we'll be doing this legit on the next one moving forward. God damn right. God damn it.
SPEAKER_03And we're retrieving.
SPEAKER_07And we're what? Retrieving? Okay.
SPEAKER_03We're giving them the goods.
SPEAKER_07We're giving them the good.
SPEAKER_06So be back. Um plethora of things have happened in in the time that I mean from in concurrent events politically, non-politically skateboarding. I mean, they're doing kick flip body burial 900s and shit like that now. And both they tried to shoot Trump. Somebody did. Supposedly, Trump went from being America first to Israel first, and they killed Charlie Kirk, and god damn it.
SPEAKER_07Zionist Israel is still controlling the world, and we're funding it.
SPEAKER_06Meanwhile, Jews still control the money and the weather. We can't fucking barely have two pennies to fucking rub together. But that is a horse of a different color and a conversation for another time. What color is the horse, Paul?
SPEAKER_07We'll get into that another time. I had a couple of appropriate things I wanted to say.
SPEAKER_03Um I was hoping I was gonna catch you slipping.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but anyway. Um big love to everybody. Big love to you, my dude. Stoked to be back.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, shout out to everybody that still supports us and looking forward to what we got coming out. And we promise we're not giving up again.
SPEAKER_06Nope. Nope. Full systems, all systems are go, full throttle, all engines, full speed ahead. Let's fucking
Off The Cuff Current Events
SPEAKER_06get it. Without further ado, our ramblings with BC at Cone Skate Park from August 1st today, August 1st, 2026. Let's fucking get it.
SPEAKER_02This should be played at high volume. Fucking item, people.
SPEAKER_00Okay, you growing up. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_01It's crazy. Get the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_00You know, this is too poly. So shut the fuck up, you're on the That's right,
BC Joins At Kona Skatepark
SPEAKER_00everybody.
SPEAKER_06It's your boy, Pauly.
SPEAKER_00Polly wants your mama's sweet ass.
SPEAKER_06All day, every day, and you know I got my boy with me, Dr. Fucking Jones.
SPEAKER_00You call him Dr. Jones.
SPEAKER_06That's right. That's right. And we got in the background the homies Martin Ramos back there. And of course, the one and only, the legendary BC. It has been a very long time since we have sat down.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06A couple of years.
SPEAKER_03Well, no, actually I said that all the time, but Well, yeah. It's been a long time since you've stood up. Um but after uh took me 45 minutes to get up here.
SPEAKER_06After a lot of people hitting us up, begging and pleading, we are back. Uh, we are definitely coming at you with some video, hoping that all of this audio is going to the camera the way it has in practice, if you will.
SPEAKER_05In sound checks. Is it true? If you don't use it, you lose it.
SPEAKER_06If you don't use it, you lose it. Um, it is true in uh uh across the board in many things. So uh practice out there, young padwands, practice. Um yeah, and I know we got that.
SPEAKER_03That was gnarly.
SPEAKER_06But anyway, we couldn't be more stoked to be coming at you from again uh the one and only legendary Kone's gate park, uh, our home away from home. Um a lot of things have been going on in our time off uh from here. Let me give you a little slack. I got you wrapped up, hold up. Let's fix that real quick. Technical difficulties wouldn't be poly on the pod without him. The reboot doesn't change nothing. Uh but yeah, as you can see behind us, the old crusty concrete vert ramp last year was completely renovated and refurbished, resurfaced. Um it is fast, it is gnarly. BC, my guy, got it. He got it. Yeah, he did, got it for the gram.
SPEAKER_04It was so scary. Anyway, how are you guys doing?
SPEAKER_06We're doing great, man. We're doing great. We were just kind of talking about, you know, like come come along with the two years that we've been off the air, and we've been in hiding and we've been missing, we've had a lot of big changes around here. Like, if you look at this big, beautiful concrete vert ramp, you know, for my whole life, this thing was pretty crusty. And now, I mean, it's it's smooth, it's it's fast, it's it's ripping, dude. Yeah, this thing is faster than it looks.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, faster than it looks. They did a great job resurfacing. I can't even talk right now. I'm so tired.
SPEAKER_06Greasying them boys. Big shout out, dude.
SPEAKER_04I'm sweating right now, Duvall. It's uh what is that, August the first? Today. Happy August, everybody. Get up, get up. With the first of the month.
SPEAKER_06That's right, that's right. Hell yeah. Little bone thugs for you. You young'uns might not know anything about that.
SPEAKER_04But uh so yeah, we're here with uh Pauly today. And guess what, Pauly? What's that? I'm gonna ask you guys some questions. You know, Doc? I'm gonna ask you guys some questions. Oh man, so uh I'm already sweating too. Man, word on the street, you know, like not a lot of people were sharing it because they didn't know whether they should be scared. They didn't want to share something, you know, it could end up in a fatality. They didn't know what was going on. Right, right. So um let us let us know uh what you've been doing in here early in the hiatus. What was you doing? Why'd you like stop it?
Why The Show Paused
SPEAKER_06A couple of reasons. So I had had a little bit of turmoil in my personal life that I definitely had to start to prioritize. But honestly, um when I first started podcasting, I really just wanted to shine light on the people and the things that I think are rad. It was really never supposed to be like an about me thing. Yeah. And starting it in like 2020, um, around their first messing around, um, it was kind of before the big explosion, and then all of a sudden there was an explosion of podcasts where it seemed like everybody that was hosting the podcast was trying to have like main character syndrome. Yes. And I kind of was struggling with being associated with that because I everybody knows we don't take ourselves very seriously. Like we try to have fun, man. It's all about spreading the love, spreading, you know, spreading the fire, each one to each one, and sharing, you know, our our own personal experiences in life. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04It's like it's like the uh view behind the curtains, if you will. If he was the main character, it'd be like what he did when he got off the stage. There you go. That's why we watch, you know, yours. Because the one with Tim Johnson and uh Ron Allen. Yeah, you know, oh dude, the Ron Allen one was one of my house?
SPEAKER_06No. Well, Ron Allen was here in the uh the Kona Clubhouse, like right on the stage. We actually did that here, which was super dope. Um, and I had tried that was another thing towards the hiatus. I kept trying to get caught up. It was originally just an audio platform. I listened as a kid in like the the 90s, man, I listened to a lot of radio. It was like the whole that's why I've got a lot of hot drops. Tried to make it like a radio show kind of a thing, yeah. Feel to it. And uh I was trying to get into the video aspect to catch up with everybody else, and I didn't really have the budget, and I was struggling in every attempt. So that one, we actually recorded that one, but the messed up thing is the audio didn't transfer to the video. I gotcha. And I have a weird technical problem with the mixer that I bought is super rad, but the bitrate for all the nerds out there, um, the bitrate doesn't match that of my camera. So if I just tried to export this audio and then put it on top of the video, it would be it would match up for a little bit, but then eventually the audio gets off from the lips and it looks really weird, and there's really no way to fix that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because it has like a like a point decimal second delay and you and you can't really get to it. But you know, this is a good time to bring up that uh there's a lot of people that have been having board companies and all kind of like stuff that has been popping up for skateboarding, and people are trying to be the main character of their own brand, if you will. But uh this is a good opportunity to to reach out to those people doing that, and if we can have like a little program where just those little people put in, you know, freaking 20 to 50 bucks, you know, and if we get like 10 people like that, you know, after a few episodes, we can get a for sure something uh well I'm I'm I'm stoked to bring that up.
SPEAKER_06So before
Patreon Idea And YouTube Strategy
SPEAKER_06too, that was another thing. I think as with the relaunch, we're gonna start um putting out most of the episode for free. Kind of the core stuff when we talk about skateboarding and what's popping off in the community, we'll all be up on YouTube. But I think we are gonna get a Patreon account going. And so kind of the more full length where we get into just being goofy, vulgar, joking, you know, like messing around kind of stuff. Put that behind a put that behind a paywall. And so if you want to subscribe for three bucks a month, you'll get like a uh you know, a full-length episode. If you want to just watch the free on YouTube or listen to, you'll be able to listen to the full length audio.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna hit subscribe because I won't even see three dollars come out of my account. There you go, brother. So that's giving back to the community, they'll be like, what you do for the skate scene this week month? I appreciate it. Look at that three dollars, dog. You don't even know.
SPEAKER_06Do like BC and like our homie Joey Diaz does. If you don't mind, go ahead and uh like, comment, subscribe. We'd be stoked on that.
SPEAKER_04Push that button. Yep. I watched a couple of YouTube videos, and uh I man, I I made a live video today. Uh I went down to Riverwalk, skated around.
SPEAKER_06Those guys got that skate clinic out there, and um, but I was I was uh Yeah, I love what they got going on, and I've even seen the community like cleanup, you know, stuff already going on down there where like I mean it's the the community has definitely taken pride in that beautiful new park.
SPEAKER_04Today I started video, and I don't really do live videos, you know. Um I used to do stuff, I had a video and everything, and but uh so I came through with that live video and I was noticing that I say everybody. Hey everybody, hey everybody. And actually, I would stop watching uh video if somebody did that. So no bro, we all we all apologize.
SPEAKER_06No, we all have that thing. Hey everybody, yeah. I have I have my own guys. Come over here, guys. I want to show you something. Come over here, guys. Come on, everybody. All one follower. But yeah, anyway, more about like, you know, uh after after kind of deciding to take the hiatus, I got my
Doc’s Health Scare And Recovery
SPEAKER_06personal stuff in line and we've been slowly regrouping, and so now I'm ready to come back. But uh, doc. You're too close, man. Let the let the people know what's been up with you, my guy.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, doc. How'd you how'd you get started and still crippled podcasting? You're a funny guy by nature. I mean, not funny ha not funny, haha.
SPEAKER_02You call me funny. Bustard and biscuits.
SPEAKER_03Well, I got uh I started getting like real sick and everything. Like uh bodies trying to fucking just give up. And uh so spent a little time in the hospital and whatnot, and then finally was able to get my hip got my left hip replaced finally. And so I'm still recovering from that. And then coup about a month and a half ago, two months now.
SPEAKER_06This was a scary one.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I uh uh went to the doctor's because like my left leg was swollen up the same leg I just had my hip replacement on, and I thought someone was like, I don't know what the fuck's going on with this shit. Right. And uh so they x-rayed me up and then they uh CT scanned me, and they're like, You got a blood clot in your leg. I was like, I what now? You you have a blood clot in your leg. I was like, that's not good. And like, we also have two in your lungs. Okay, alright. Well, dude.
SPEAKER_06Got scary for a minute. Our boy was laid up in the hospital, blood thinners, the whole thing, like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04That's the worst BC I've ever heard. Blood clot BC. Yeah, but where is it?
SPEAKER_06Uh rim shot. Oh, it's one I got. If you put your cans on, you'll be able to hear. I just I just hit you with the rim shot on that one.
SPEAKER_04Uh thank you, Jacksonville. Yes, thank you.
SPEAKER_06Thank you, Jacksonville. I hit him with the So we got that for you.
SPEAKER_04Dude, I used to wear headphones like this. Hell yeah. I remember like taking acid and like listening to Ozzy Osborne uh Randy Rhodes tribute. Oh, bro. Dude, I thought I was at the concert. I just laid back. Suicide Solution. Hell yeah. The solo for Suicide Solution. I thought it was there. Anyway, uh that's a good segue, right?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's a great segue. So anyway, almost from from the uh from knocking on death's door.
SPEAKER_03Knock knocking on Hale's door. Hey, hey, hey, hey, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Yeah. We love you, Doc.
SPEAKER_04I appreciate you. Hey, tell us those tricks you had unlocked.
SPEAKER_06Tell us.
SPEAKER_04Come on.
SPEAKER_03Come on, what's some of them? Uh Nolly Late flips, hard flip late flips.
SPEAKER_06He's got the footage to show it. Yeah. Big shout out to Matt Fink for that. Or somebody's got the footage and won't give it up. Brocam, Brocam's got a lot of it historically. It's out there. It's out there.
SPEAKER_03What else? Did you touch a board at all? Oh yeah, I did a bunch of finger flips. I love doing crail grab one-footers. Like I crail grab and like take my hand off and just throw the one foot off.
SPEAKER_06He loves the finger blasters, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, I can't let it go. Finger bang, finger bang, finger bang. Finger bang. I could never grab indie with like my left hand. So because like I shattered my like left knuckle in a contest down in Tampa. And like I've just I've never been able to grab indie ever since. So I always think like crail grabs are like tail grabs.
SPEAKER_04Did you did you know that um did y'all know that if you go to Asia, you can't grab indie? You got indie? Now grab Tommy. You get your hands cut off if you oh that's funny. I like that. It's pretty deep. Um uh I'll just change the subject. Or did I? No, Dr. Jones. You had those uh you got laser flips?
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah, gnarly ones. I did one laser flip. I did one laser flip one time, but I don't know. I'll start thinking of you when I think.
SPEAKER_06I'd like gnarly shoves and gnarly heels, and then golly like front side backside 180s. That was like it, dude.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. My my back foot don't work on those uh gnarly things.
SPEAKER_06I had way more faky tricks in my heyday.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, dude. Yeah, gnarly heels are like super like fun. I always like doing like golly like heel and then like half flip, and then like that's like the board's like uh the bottom like graphics there. I take my front foot and like slap it back and just like bring it right back around. Oh, those are good. Is that Casper's? Uh no, it's not a Casper, it's just I I always call it the gnarly stupid flip because it was the dumbest fuck to even learn. I like it.
SPEAKER_06The gnarly stupid flip. Man, I'm we're acting like nobody's
Kona Upgrades And Local Shoutouts
SPEAKER_06listening. Yeah, no, but we uh other than the bird ramp behind us getting refinished this summer. I'm swearing uh big shout out to Dakota. I know I was gonna grab a fan, I couldn't find a fan, I forgot about it.
SPEAKER_04I'm your biggest fan. Hey, pounded brother.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to Dakota, shout out to Drew, two-man crew. Dakota literally, I mean, he has set every record. He was out here living in his van down by the river. R.I.P. Chris Farley. Um that that that's awesome lifestyle.
SPEAKER_04I I lived in the uh I told him I was envious of him. I lived in a skate park at a big air skate park at the top. Yeah, I was eating like hot pockets, drinking amps. Brother, living the dream. And you know, skating and having the music up, drinking some brewski's and um yeah, that was like a couple months. But to to live out here at Kona in the wilderness, dude, like I lived out here for a little bit. Yeah, I think like what six months? Kluckus. Cluckas. Seven months.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, at one point the homeless people across the way, they've been eradicated now. Eradicated.
SPEAKER_04Finally, Trump came in.
SPEAKER_06Uh this yeah, city came in and they'd bush hogged everything. Marty has been on top of it, man. The grounds look better than ever. All of our wood lines and everything, he've completely cleared down around the trees, so our next big event.
SPEAKER_04Like fire hazard, maybe?
SPEAKER_06Uh no, I mean, Marty took care of everything. On his property, I think the city already had that plan because the home was kept in camp, like entrenching themselves right across the crick over there. Oh, that's a good spot right there. But Dakota went over there several times and he took it upon his, like, they came over and fucked with our stuff across the creek one time. Uh-and Dakota was like, Oh no, dude, war is war. And he like went over there and completely like tore down their camp. Did you say did you say like single-handedly? Did you say crick? Yeah, sometimes that happens.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they came, they came past you.
SPEAKER_06Creek. Creek. Creek. Down bottle creek.
SPEAKER_04But uh, yeah, that that verd rant thing that we got going on there. They had the old one called Big Brown. They don't want to call the new one Big Brown, but some people still are straggling around calling it Big Brown.
SPEAKER_06Then some people, yeah, a lot of the kids are like, oh, big green. I'm like, I just can't anymore. Every time this color changes, big blue sounded good. Big brown sounded good. Maybe the alliteration of the BB, big green. That's like the Boston. Don't make no goddamn sense. Boston Red Sox. Oh, yeah, the Big Green Monster. Yeah. Outfield.
SPEAKER_04Monster should sh monsters should spawn. Nope. We got Red Bulls.
SPEAKER_06No, we got Red Bull. Can't do it.
SPEAKER_04Take your Greg Lutzkins and your Jay Gankos and go over there.
SPEAKER_06Say, hold on. Yeah, there you go for Red Bull and Sorry, Monster.
SPEAKER_04While we're talking about I do that a lot, like
Contests And Sponsor Politics
SPEAKER_04personally. I tell people. Speaking of this part, um about sponsorship of Monster and Red Bull. And you know, that's they fight. Like that's a thing. Oh yeah. So remember when Street League started and they had some bullshit about you had to be like you had to sign an exclusive contract and people like Greta Glutzka couldn't sign because he was with uh maybe Rockstar, maybe maybe Monster. I think he was with Rockstar, and with Rockstar? Something like that. And so he couldn't participate, you know, he couldn't play no damn reindeer games. Damn, I didn't know about any of that. That's crazy. Like, why you don't see Greg Lutzko in there or didn't?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's wild.
SPEAKER_04You know, so that and that's how it formed, and then it changed into something else. But I always thought that was bullshit.
SPEAKER_06Did you see now the X Games League?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I like I like it in a way. I see what they're trying to do. Because it was in New Orleans, and oh my gosh, to see all my uh people from over there like just be engulfed in skateboarding for a little while, things that I have to go travel and get to and see. For sure. It came to New Orleans, and those people have to got to experience that. I mean, I am so humbled by uh for them to go there because that place is another place when you go there. Right. Um, but yeah, so they got the team, so they got like Tokyo and they got uh New York City, let's say, yeah, yeah, San Paulo. They're they're probably not gonna be asking Ryan Clemens, but uh I should hit up Ryan Clemens and be like, yo, bro, you gotta get the South and you gotta put the uh league together and put it together. Yeah, representative. But you know what? X Games is probably scared to have someone like Ryan on his coach. So anyway. Why do you say that? Oh, because he he he just knows what he's doing and they don't think I mean I mean he'd have to go and just do it. He just knows what he's doing and they don't.
SPEAKER_03I mean, he's been doing it for his whole life.
SPEAKER_04They they know they get they got more people wearing different hats than like for sure like Clements, Rob, yeah, you know, George, uh Scotty, all those guys down there at the border. But uh yeah, that he should totally uh have the South um contest. And and he has to go in and just worry about the the riders and not worry about like the the league and what they're doing and what they're building.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I watched it, but I came in like kind of after the fact and I didn't really know the whole premise of it. And then halfway through I was like hella confused because then they started like ranking in, like, oh New York, and da da da da. And like I'm like, wait, what? Yeah, and then like I did for a second, like okay, kind of cool. Like I said, I see I see what they're trying to do with it.
SPEAKER_04I only kind of knew what was going on because that one guy from Fodboro was uh was the coach for New York, you know. So, and somebody on my feed posted a picture with him and said that he was coaching, and I didn't really get it then. And then so when it came along and I started seeing it. And of course, Tokyo's gonna win everything in a couple years.
SPEAKER_03Dude, the undrafted kid that fucking does the Nolly 360 board like board sides down that fucking the big ass rails is fucking wild. Yeah, the undrafted. What are you doing?
SPEAKER_04Put that out. What are you doing? He's smoking his cigarette. That's America. Yeah, the park is open. Yeah, the park is open. Vaping only in the back where nobody can see you.
Smoking Rules At A Youth Park
SPEAKER_06Dedicated to the youth of Jacksonville since 1977. This actually brings me up to a great thing.
SPEAKER_04One time I skated for like uh I mean uh skated, I smoked for like one summer. Uh-huh. I held a cigarette like this. And I I just puffed on it, you know, back when that movie Mask came out. Oh, yeah. The movie Mask with uh Cher and uh um Rocky Case.
SPEAKER_06Yep.
SPEAKER_04You know the guy that plays that was the guy that played uh was that Back to the Future? Yeah, he was the original caster from RT McFly. Yeah, they cut his ass and refilmed everything. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then he was he's like, I'm just gonna be Rocky Dennis. Fuck it. How'd that work out for you? Okay. You got to um hang out with Cher. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um something more important. Yes, I was gonna say something. Just because um I love all the homies, and I love when we have our events here and everybody comes out, and this actually caused an issue with a newer guy that had been coming around, is that yes, when we have big events and people don't know, like, yeah, people think because it's an outdoor venue, you can just smoke anywhere. We as we work here because it is dedicated to the youth of Jacksonville, and we know what smoking does, and and we don't care, like I smoke weed, bro, but I don't do it in front of like the kids in the environment, you know what I mean? And the way that I raise my kids and my family doesn't, you know what I'm saying? However, whatever other people have certain stigmas about like it's just not allowed here, so just be mutually respectful. And everybody's not a public park either. It's no private and right and it stayed open private too. That's right, which is and then and then and the whole other thing is like you you you say you love it, you have so many memories of being here as a kid, but then when we have these big events, you have a couple of beers, you see some people from God knows where that are here visiting, spark up a cigarette, and you're like, I'm just gonna spark mine up too. And I don't know, my parents raised me to be a leader, not a follower, you know, so I I I I I haven't always been that, but I strive to be that. So just when I see other people doing it doesn't mean I'm going to. And there was a couple of people that got a little upset because we told them, like, hey man, stop smoking a cigarette, and they just couldn't understand. And I'm like, me going and telling somebody that's never been here before, and then when I leave, they might go light up again. Like, I don't know them, we don't have relationship, they don't even really have a relationship to Kona. You know what I'm saying? Right. But then, like, y'all are core community that came here at one point in time, you've grown up, yeah. And all we ever ask, man, is like, go to the edge of the woods, go to the rock, go to the rubble, go to go to the parking lot. Just don't be on the deck of the ramp lighting up a cigarette dock. I thought this was America. But anyway, so all love.
SPEAKER_04That went that whole story, that whole rant was No, it was all love.
SPEAKER_06There, there's just a few uh uh conversations. I'm blowing smoking.
SPEAKER_04Kids are walking in right now while you're saying that. It's just so awesome the way you did that.
SPEAKER_06Well, bro, well, like, okay, so big shout-outs to Bruce, um, um Bruce Tyler, the homie. Like, dude, every time I seen him at the anniversary party, if he wasn't out in this uh parking lot smoking, he was at the rocks, you know what I'm saying, or on the edge. Like he was so far away from the action. But then I had like four or five guys that are like home. I'm like, bro, and we're all grown ass adults. You dap me up, you tell them you love me, then you keep making me come tell you to just please put your cigarette out next to the families that are here to watch skateboarding or support their kid in the youth contest. So anyway, end of rant. Love all y'all.
SPEAKER_03Mama didn't raise a quitter.
SPEAKER_04Oh, rehab is for quitters, ain't it?
SPEAKER_03That's what I that's what I was told.
Sober Skating And Better Role Models
SPEAKER_04But uh quitting, I don't drink anymore. Really? Yeah, yeah, life sucks.
SPEAKER_06That'll make you better, make me. No, dude. Good for you, man. I went I mean, I wish I could like cut my grass and drink a beer. I went I went a few years without drinking because I needed to get my life. Now I always say I'm a like a vacation drinker. Pretty much drink on vacation.
SPEAKER_04Which is every afternoon? Vacation's all I ever wanted. I'm from New Orleans, and so like we drink Oh yeah. Period. Yeah. Like hurricane. Like they they had us practice. It was called a it was called a teen club. And and like you get you go there, and it's a bar at night, and on the weekend, because teens can go in there, it's like 20 bucks to get in, 13 to frickin' 17, you can go in there and hang out. No shit. That was the 80s. Hell yeah. Yeah, that was like the break day dancing days, and they had the fly guys and they were over there with the jumpsuits and stuff. The Adidas outfits. Mullets and hair metal, baby. Yeah, so so you would practice going to bars, and then if your mom didn't have enough money for you to go to college and you and you didn't join the military because you had a mullet, you know, you stayed back in the bar scene and just hung out.
SPEAKER_06Story of my life. Well, no, I mean, I definitely like I struggle when I was younger, but I also look at you know how we kind of even grew. I think it's so rad for skateboarding now that you have people like Nean Williams and like a plethora of others that are like sober and doing well and they're like vocal about it and they're like good good role models. Because I mean, we grew up in the whole like uh prime time piss drunks era, dude. Like, I mean, yeah, you know, like, dude, if if you're not skating hard and then getting blackout drunk and puking on yourself at the end of the day, are you really a skateboarder? Yeah, yeah. Like that's what it felt like in that era, right?
SPEAKER_04And that's what the that's what made you go balls to the walls for sure. You know, and just just blow down something. Alibulala boom, yeah. And now people like Naj is like all fucking in on Ninja focused, bro. I can't even be focused. I can't be focused for anything. I can't even focus my deck if I try. I think you can. I know I land on it too perfect now, and I don't I don't every time. I'm early grabbing, so I'm kind of like locked in. But if I was listening to this podcast, I'd probably skip that last part.
SPEAKER_05Why?
SPEAKER_06He was like, y'all are talking about positive role models. No, yeah, no, but I think that uh Yeah, but no. Like I said, I think that you know it's the same way uh You're not gonna you're not gonna change the subject? You're gonna reiterate. No, no, I'm gonna change the subject. It's similar to like female skateboarding, bro. Female skateboarding. You'll never watch skateboarding again the same. With the representation, you know what I'm saying? Comes kind of growth, and I think that uh there's some ripper chicken. I have a lot more friends now that are sober and doing better than ever that we were all fucking shit shows for a period. I think that's a good thing. So I think it's a beautiful thing.
Skateboarding’s Branching Family Tree
SPEAKER_04With representation comes growth. What did what'd you say? That's like the the founding fathers. I I don't even know what I said, bro.
SPEAKER_03No taxation without representation.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, taxation is that yeah. The um skateboarding, like I always say, we got our roots. Okay. And uh, I mean, we got all the people where it came from, and you know, you got your uh basically people think when the boards changed, that's when skateboarding like kind of excelled. When the wheels changed, it excelled a little bit, but then when the bearings changed, right? Because so so the wheels changed and you was able to ride on more and the clay wheels weren't breaking, but then when the bearings changed, that's when skateboarding like like just took off and it went wherever. So you got the the basics of the old school people and the roots, if you will, of skateboards in that tree. And then the tree goes up and it starts getting branches. You got your bones brigade branch, and then you got your like your alpha branch, right? And it goes over there. And and if you don't like the fucking bones brigade branch, you go get on the fucking alpha branch. Don't even get on the branch, just fucking stay on the tree. And then you go up, and then you know, you got the 90s, and you got all the different branches start coming up. Small wheels, pressure flipping. But then the branches, like you think of like uh Mike Carroll's branch, you know, it goes out and then it turns into La Kai and his branch and it goes on to a whole nother thing with Rick Howard and stuff like that. And then we go up even higher, and then COVID pops off, and then you get all these people that come back and you get influencers. You know how many fucking branches we got now? You're right. Like, like stay on your if you don't like that shit, either. I never really cut the branch off. No, don't cut the branch off. I was about to say don't cut them off. Let them do their thing. I mean, some of some people like some some need a good little pruning. We have a gatekeepers, we have gatekeepers for that. Need a little bit of trim on that bush. We have gatekeepers, and gatekeepers are good. You know, remember consolidated skateboards. Yep. Gatekeepers are good. So you got all these branches, and and if you want to go over there to the other branch, go, but don't be a dick. Moral of the story. You heard it here. Um go over that other branch, but don't be a dick. I just ride up the fucking tree, man. I'm just riding back and forth on the tree.
SPEAKER_06I've told you you're an inspiration, man. You're in. You're in. I ain't never been to Europe. You're a pissing inspiration, my friend. No. Um to us older guys, man, because I as I've been struggling with not as much time to skate, and then when I do, man, it's just such a struggle, you know? It feels like to get out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and then uh when I when I do, I finally I get in my zone, I stretch for a little bit, I get loose, then I get in the zone, and it's like, man, I'm fucking 15 years old all over again uh for a period of time, and it's a beautiful thing. But afterwards, I've I kind of get bummed on the level of skating, because even just a couple of years ago, um, where I was at, I've I feel like I've declined so much. But but that's your fault.
SPEAKER_04For sure. No, it is totally my fault. So you have to accept that totally. You have to accept that, and you have to know that you're at your skill level because of you know life got in the way or whatever. Yeah. And then at that moment right there of kind of like a uh recreation of yourself, you actually can go forward being proud of who you are. For sure.
SPEAKER_06But you have to stop that, and that's where you're at now, where you're yeah, it's been it's been a uh accept acceptance is always a hard pill to swallow. You you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So uh so but honestly, watching you, bro, every day, just keep pushing, keep skating, keep having fun. It's like BC 53, then 54. I mean, just and like I said, it's just uh when I'm feeling down, brother, and I and I open up social media and I see your little rail, you know, of your daily, your daily role. My daily car. Um, it it just reminds me of like fucking stop making excuses, man. And just go have fun.
SPEAKER_04Thanks, man. Yeah, I I appreciate
Aging, Motivation, And Acceptance
SPEAKER_04that. Yeah, it's it's hard on both ends. We're yeah, we we all strive just to be out there. You know, like I I know when the chin moment's gonna come, and I know like the when I get out there now, like the chin moment's not at Treaty Skate Park, like sitting there waiting for me. But you know, I'll I'll put some headphones on, I'll see the squirrels jump up there and do a 50-50 across the cope and come in. And then the sun, the sun will uh shine around and and the clouds will get bright, and I'll I'll put my uh my phone up and I'll act like all my friends are there and I'll record something and then I'll post it, and then like maybe a friend will like it that I know from who knows where. I met I met people all over the country, and then uh my real good friends will comment and that that I like that. Uh some people don't like social media, but in my life right now, like it's just it's really cool to be with everybody all the time, you know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and that's the the other thing too, is like I think the way that you also utilize social media just as reflecting on how I was feeling before the hiatus, feeling like uh you know, the I didn't want to come off as the main character syndrome. You know, it's hard to do a podcast without turning the camera on yourself. Yeah, and as it turned to more turning an actual camera on and not just being audio, I felt a little more awkward and like no, but you the way that you utilize social media is is uh is the way to do it. You root it, the way to do it, put it in the root, yeah.
SPEAKER_04You just you just uh I I've seen everybody like make it. I've I've seen people make it, I've seen like the industry and and I've always you know I you talk about the uh the what's that syndrome you you call it? Individual main character, main character. I had that my whole life, yeah. I mean and people like glorifying it saying it's a bad thing and shit. Um I'm I when I come out, I I used to be after I had a kid, you know, it's more about my kids and my family and things like that. When I go places and my wife told me to turn BC off, you know, while we're eating dinner and shit like that. Because like I am like super main character like all the time, and and that's what skateboarding helped uh me just have foul it for that to be to be main character, and then when everybody else starts being main character, I'm like, oh fuck, this shit ain't as cool. And and I had videos before, and then everybody starts making videos, and I'm like, I don't want to.
SPEAKER_06Bro, you've been like the mouth of the south in skateboarding forever, bro. Like you, but yeah, I mean you've like you've been doing it before it was a fad. I mean, I think I even wore a red hat first. So it's different, it's different, you know what I mean? Like you were kind of the pione from like the the uh what is the southern coast uprising to like all of that like that you've done over the years, like you're like a kind of pioneer on it. You know what I'm saying? So this is like where is me, I felt like uh um just getting lumped and it when I would tell people about a podcast, oh, like getting lumped in with a whole bunch of other podcasts, I was like, I don't really know. Just go listen to it before you like compare me to that. You know what I'm saying? You want to get followers, but you want to get your followers. Exactly. I I don't not trying to get famous. I'm just trying
Social Media Without Main Character Energy
SPEAKER_06to like if anybody gets anything from it, even if they think like it's just a laugh because they think I'm corny and now I'm old or whatever. Like, I was I was a young kid that thought anarchy was the answer and shit like that, and I made a bunch of stupid mistakes. I don't ever try to come off as judgmental, but I've anybody that's I didn't want to pay taxes at one time in my life for sure, but then you don't I still don't, you know what I'm saying? Especially they take good thing they take them out first. That's that's a whole nother podcast. Um but yeah, so so anyway, so it was just kind of a struggle with that, but that's also like the way that you utilize um social media,
South Coast Uprising Origins
SPEAKER_06yeah.
SPEAKER_04And so um to go back to that, I was um South Coast Uprising when it started, it was just going to all the core spots and people like uh in Louisiana, Larry Blossom and Ben Moore was in Baton Rouge and Shannon May was in Lafayette, Dave Watney, you know, Todd was taking pictures down there with Adam Ludon in New Orleans and a bunch of friends like that. I tried to name all of them, I probably didn't. But uh, so all those friends, I I made like a little uh sign-in sheet, you know, and I had like your age and your phone number, and and so those guys put it together. Then my friends over there in Pensacola, Rob Aaron and all those guys, P. Kelly, and then all some guys in Tampa, and then up this way, and and we were just South Coast Uprising, and we'd call each other up and be like, Hey, I'm coming over there, and I'm coming over here. And it was kind of like a network then. And then I started doing demos with those guys, like all these fucking good guys, yeah. And so we started doing demos, and like I'd get somebody to get us a room at a skate park, like in Georgia. We did a did a couple, and um, they would uh get us a room and all, so all my buddies meet up there and we're hanging out, and then we go do a demo, and and you know, there's like 20 kids there or whatever, but it's just a like 20 frickin' 20-year-olds to 30, yeah skating, having fun. Yeah, doing it for all the right reasons. And so that that that happened for a while, and it and it was fun. Um, and then social media came along, and I was like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_06Every session's a demo, every session's a demo. Oh, I like that. I'll watch that podcast. I was about to say, Doc's been a little quiet for a minute, and then he comes in with the one-liner of the episode, every session's a demo. Yes, he was perkolate.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, I'm I'm on my medicine right now, boys.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, but we uh I appreciate you appreciating. Yeah, my friend. Always because I ain't never had no uh board company, I ain't never tried to get sponsored. I was I wasn't out there be like, go look for BC's sponsor me tape. I mean, I wrote for crown skateboards in Panama City. Mad Chuck, much love. Mad Chuck passed away not too long ago. Um the that part of my life with crown skateboards, Mad Chuck, he had him and Dusty was his son, and he had a skate shop, and he had the youth over there was just always coming to uh Mad Chuck's over there in Panama City Beach. And you know, it was the Club La Vila days and stuff like that. And Vans Warp Tour came over there to Club La Vila, and so I would go with Chuck and he he put me on the team and we do things. I was doing that video. He brought me to California, I was there for Tony Hawk's like last pro contest. Um all kind of cool stuff. I can't thank Chuck enough. I mean, he pretty much bestowed this into me. I got Rusty Ross who had Skate Shack when I first like was reborn again, and then Chuck. I mean, that's the two pillars that like hold up my skateboarding. I don't even know what I was talking about because I got into Chuck, but that dude is uh amazing in the South.
SPEAKER_06Hell yeah, hell yeah. Well, I know uh I was gonna say, man, we've been chopping up for a minute,
BC Wraps And Future Watch Parties
SPEAKER_06BC, and I know that uh you gotta get to work here, so we can uh take a break here in a minute. But I just uh it felt weird being that we just we recorded your episode two years ago, and then I just never finished editing it, and I had computer crash and then just never got it posted, and so we recently posted it. So when we were recording our first episode back, I said, I think we just gotta have BC back on.
SPEAKER_04And I was like, sure. I mean, actually, I found out last night. Hell yeah, hell yeah. But uh I I I appreciate you guys having me on here, and um, the podcasting is fun. Yeah, it's fun, dude. We'll do you back on again.
SPEAKER_06I've I can just uh regurgitate verbitation. Yeah, and especially when you're talking about things you're passionate about, dude. It's just what it's all about. Especially we need to figure out like next good contest that we all want to watch. We got the the room set up with all the TVs, like we should just do like a watch party.
SPEAKER_04Uh well I want you to find out uh when the date that Danny Wade did that 360 gap, and I want to have like a just big free for all um Danny Wade gap contest. And so like uh you know, not everybody can get in this contest. No. I just want the high flop.
SPEAKER_06Didn't Coco just yeah, she's just three. She's just three sixty. Yeah, wow. Shout outs to young Coco. Killing it, killing it, yeah. Yeah, she's eleven for ish. And she's 540ing the the Vert ramp.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, she's pretty good.
SPEAKER_06Gnarly.
SPEAKER_04I like her sister uh Tulula. She's uh she gets her own thing. Tallula ribs too.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I haven't seen her in a long time.
SPEAKER_04She's uh she's really cool. Like uh Coco's like the Tony Hawk and then uh Tulula's like Raleigh Hawk.
SPEAKER_06Hell yeah. I love that. Always much love, BC. All right, until next time, my friend.
SPEAKER_04Appreciate you guys don't work too hard. I'm gonna go ahead and get out of here. I'm gonna leave you alone. And uh much love to Kona. Hey Marty, thank you for uh having me over here again.
Ramp Restoration And Red Bull Support
SPEAKER_06Super stoked to uh have had our homie BC come out, hang out for a little bit. Definitely got uh some ramblings in. It's always fun hanging out with him. Um the man can talk. But so can we. Um couple of couple of things we started to talk about, but didn't finish, but really want to highlight all the hard work, man. Is Greasy and the crew again for the the concrete vert ramp restoration a year ago. Um, Dakota and Drew and any of the volunteers that helped out on the few volunteer days um on the wooden vert ramp. Definitely gonna add some footage of that in here um so you can visually see just how amazing it came out. They took out the old gnarly two roll-ins and put in a death box. It's uh put in some two two friendly roll-ins on the end. Um yeah, it looks fun. Yeah, so super stoked on that. And then one thing we haven't talked about at all is we had gotten a uh uh middle concrete street course feature, uh, thanks to Red Bull. Um I mean we've had we had a Red Bull pin drop event out here where we had them coming out and they played Tony Hawk Pro Skater. Oh, yeah, the latest one? Yep, because it was the relaunching and uh they kind of teamed up a gamer and a skater. So like and they combined the scores. They had a street contest, and I think it was Jamie Foy, and I can't remember whoever the was hooked up with him that I think won. But they basically combined the skaters score from the contest and the gamers score from the game video game contest. It was interesting. Um that's one way to do it. Yeah, we had that with go skate day, uh 48th, 49th anth anniversary. Uh now we're getting ready looking forward to the 50th next June, which we were just inside talking with Marty and uh hearing a lot about the details as they're getting firmed up, and it is going to be an epic party. Uh the likes of one, don't know if it will ever be able to be recreated, so it's gonna be something you want yeah, you want to stay tuned for, and definitely you don't want to miss uh something BC talking about, he says everybody a lot. I say stay tuned. What else do I say?
SPEAKER_03I'd be like uh Papa Google The Man, the myth, a legend.
SPEAKER_06Hey, fucking forget about it. No. Uh let's see, we got the old uh get the fuck out of here. Um but anyway, um talked a little bit about like I said, what we had going on personally. Um I can dive into that a little bit more, but we'll do that another time. Uh really just want to let you know that the boys are back. We got a bunch of cool guests lining up. Um Damon Francisco is gonna be, he's on the short list, already touch base with him. He's he's down to come on. We're gonna talk reptiles and critters
Release Schedule And Upcoming Guests
SPEAKER_06and skateboarding and all sorts of fun shit. Um and just a whole list of everybody else. So um definitely stay tuned. Um wanna reiterate that we're gonna be trying to put out two episodes a month. Uh I still work a full-time job. He still doesn't work at all.
SPEAKER_03That's that's not fair. I work for this goddamn podcast. He's heating up!
SPEAKER_06Uh fair enough.
SPEAKER_03Um You think these topics come from nowhere? No, from here. All from here.
SPEAKER_06So anyway, we're uh two episodes. Um a month is the goal. We'll probably um like I said, we're leaning on setting up a Patreon. I think we might for more of our like funny shenanigans, vulgarities. We got some ideas for those boys. Yeah, across the board. Um so yeah, so you got anything else you want to kind of touch base with? Uh I I had planned to have two big bottles of ketchup right here because it's the ketchup episode. But uh but I failed on that one.
SPEAKER_03Paul's a good planner, not a great executioner.
SPEAKER_06Struggling with the follow-through.
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah, man, it's uh 112 degrees out here. You can see my tith sweat and my flop sweat. It's gross, but you know, we do this for the fans.
SPEAKER_06We do this for the fans and the shameless self-indulgence.
SPEAKER_03I mean, somebody's gotta do it.
SPEAKER_06But uh yeah, I guess uh that's pretty much it for episode one. Kind of anticlimactic post-BC, but uh we got more in the works. I'm headed back out of town. Oh, actually,
Charleston Skate Scene And DIY Stories
SPEAKER_06man, I f oh I didn't even touch base about this. So I guess we'll not wrap it up quite yet. I wanted to talk to BC about it because I have been up in Charleston for work for the past several weeks, and um getting to know that scene up there has been really rad. Skate Charleston, very cool hamburgers, very cool spot. Um but then I went to the bridge spot, um, a rad DIY. Definitely very gnarly stuff there to skate.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, show me pictures.
SPEAKER_06Um, even the stuff that's just four foot and five foot tall has like a foot of hurt on it. And a fucking block of coping. And uh yeah, a big old bullnosed coping like the size of your fist and circle, like it's it's it's ain't treaty, it ain't home as a no ping. Yeah, no, it's definitely kinda gnarly. Um but but super rad, I I did uh post on my story there was uh art everywhere, but uh there was this one little random patch that you didn't really need to fill in with concrete. And they chose to fill it in with concrete, but in the concrete they made the shape of a cock and balls with bricks, so they just put like bricks in, but then at the head, uh at the mushroom tip, they put like a little uh mannequin face that looked like Donald Trump.
unknownOh Jesus.
SPEAKER_06It's quite funny. It's quite funny. Um yeah, I mean shit, we didn't even talk anything about that either, man. Like so much has changed.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no since we've been off the air, off the air. Yeah, no, a lot's actually changed and everything, man. So life's been crazy, but you know, we'll get to that. We'll we'll get to that.
SPEAKER_06They've shot at Donald Trump multiple times and nobody in this country filled with guns can seem to take out the problem.
SPEAKER_03I wouldn't call it a problem, but you know.
SPEAKER_06You know, tomato tomato.
SPEAKER_03I don't really talk politics. It's not my bag.
SPEAKER_06I don't really talk politics either. I talk poly ticks.
SPEAKER_05Tick I have. Taxation is theft, life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness.
SPEAKER_03If you're looking for poly the next fourth of July, he'll be out there on St. John's River throwing out teabags.
SPEAKER_06Oh man. Um but yeah, good times. Great oldies. Yeah, great oldies, dude. We're back here at W 1977 K O N A. Until next time. It's been fun. Peace,
Final Jokes And Sign Off
SPEAKER_06love, and skateboarding. Out.