A Father's Fight Against His Son's Transition | Jeff Younger - Pt. 1

In this deeply emotional and controversial episode of Behind The Mike Podcast, host Mike Stone sits down with Jeff Younger, the Texas father whose battle to protect his son from gender transition has captured national attention.

Jeff shares the harrowing story of his ex-wife beginning the process of transitioning their son at age two, the legal war that followed, and how his Christian faith has guided every decision—even when faced with prison for refusing to pay for what California courts define as "medical child support."

👉 Learn how Jeff took on Texas and California court systems
👉 Hear the truth behind child gender clinics and the billion-dollar transgender industry
👉 Discover the Christian worldview Jeff stands on, and how believers can respond in love and truth

📢 This is more than politics—this is about protecting children, standing for truth, and honoring God.

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⏱️ CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Jeff Younger’s Introduction
00:25 - Legal Battle Begins: Divorce and Custody Fight
01:24 - Victory in Texas Court & Medical Protection Order
02:05 - Losing Custody & Son Moved to California
02:24 - Secret Trials and Judge Mark Juhas’ Ruling
03:02 - Financial Cost of the Fight & Upcoming Appeal
03:25 - Why Jeff Refused to Pay Child Support
04:18 - Kaiser Hospital Transcript: “Harvesting Sperm”
05:04 - Jeff’s 3 Biblical Principles
05:13 - Facing Prison for His Beliefs
05:37 - The Political Side: Donor Class and GOP Hypocrisy
07:21 - Legal Loopholes in Transgender & Abortion Laws
08:44 - Reclaiming Christian Culture
10:11 - Trump’s Executive Order on Trans Procedures
11:19 - Financial Incentives Driving Transgender Clinics
12:00 - A Planned Attack on Conservative Families?
12:26 - Elon Musk’s Personal Connection to the Issue
13:24 - Why Christians Must Stay Politically Engaged
13:40 - How It All Began: Sons Were Just 2.5 Years Old
14:05 - Jeff’s Past: A Libertarian Fighting for Fairness
15:15 - Jeff’s Stance on LGBT Rights & Government Abuse
17:00 - What It Means to Love as a Christian
18:44 - Rebuking Sin Is an Act of Love
20:00 - Unique Ways People Need to Be Reached
21:21 - Clarifying Jeff’s True Motivation: His Sons
22:15 - Protecting His Sons & Leaving a Public Record
23:05 - What’s Happening with Jude and James Now
24:06 - Why Jeff Refuses Supervised Visitations
25:34 - Stories of Bonding: Jonny Quest & Fatherhood
27:10 - The Golden Rule & Raising Boys with Values
27:37 - Stay Tuned for Part Two: Lessons in the Boxing Ring

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Transcript

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My name is Jeff Younger. Starting at two years old, my ex-wife began to try to transition my son to a girl. When I refused to allow her to do that, she filed for divorce. We went through a long tenure battle in the State of Texas. She was able to muster more political power in the State of Texas than I was and was able to take my children, and move them to California, where she chemically castrated my sons. I've been fighting continuously. I've been up to the Texas Supreme Court. I got laws passed in Texas outlawing these procedures. Currently in California, the position of the courts is that I have to pay for the castration of my own son as medical child support. I'm refusing to do that. And I am right now I'm looking at two years in prison. Jeff, thank you for joining us today. Your story has been all over the news the last, I don't know how many years. And currently, if I, if I'm correct, currently, we're in a situation where you say you're going to be put in jail by the state of California for not paying child support. That's right. I'm sure that's being plastered all over liberal news, without the full story. So I would like you to share where we're at right now with your story. And then we'll back up and talk about some of the details of it. Well, you know, I won a trial in 2019. I got 50, 50 custody and no child support. But most importantly, I got a check on all medical procedures. Because the medical records show that my ex-wife and the boy's pediatrician in Flower Mound, Texas. Her name is Doctor Jennifer Pape At 18 and under MD in Flower Mound. They plan to chemically castrate James at age 8 or 9. I was able to get laws passed in the State of Texas outlawing those procedures. So eventually what they did is the the and we can talk about this how the family courts create orders that fathers can't follow. And then they use the fact that you're not following the orders to take your kids. And that's what they did to me. And then they allowed my ex-wife to move to California, where these procedures are legal, because I had protected my sons by making it illegal in Texas, I went all the way up to the Texas Supreme Court and the Texas Supreme Court, supposedly conservative, allowed my son to move to California to be chemically castrated. And then last December, he was chemically castrated. The judge in California is Mark Juhas, Judge Mark Juhas, Department 63 in LA County Superior Court. He's the one that made that ruling. They denied me all due process. We had a secret trial. Public was not allowed to see it because the judge committed felonies on the bench. They don't want the public to see it. The records are sealed. That's illegal in California. I was not allowed an independent medical exam. Independent psychological exam. I was not allowed any evidence from the other side. So now I'm going up on appeal in California, where I fully expect to lose. Then I'm going to go to the California Supreme Court, where I fully expect to lose. And then after spending another million dollars, I've already spent 1.6 million. After spending another million dollars to get to the California Supreme Court, I'm going to have to go into federal court and spend another million dollars in order to try to get some relief for my children. Wow. And currently, the law in California is that I have to pay for medical procedures for my children. And California considers chemical castration and physical castration of children as medical care. So, I'm I stop paying child support. About a year ago, nine months ago, I guess, and that happened when I looked in the Kaiser Permanente records, when my son had his gender evaluation at LA Children's Hospital. And here's this. These are in direct quotes. These are quoted from a recorded transcript in their official medical records. So the doctor asked my son, do you want to have children later in life? My son James said, yes, which is very unusual. Apparently for a child his age he is interested in having children. The doctor then explains to him that when they remove his testicles, they can cut his testicles open and harvest his sperm, and he can have a baby as a woman later in life. At that point, I stop paying child support because I said I can't. I can't give any resources whatsoever to support this. I had three principles when, when all this began that I set for myself that I felt were based on the laws of God. The first one was I would never harm my son. The second one was I would never morally educate my son. And the third was I would never allow my resources to be used to harm my son. And I believe this violates all three of those. So I am not going to participate in harming my son. And so they're going to ultimately, put me in prison. It's a felony. And it's also a federal felony. I could go to federal prison if they choose to prosecute me at the federal level. But in any case, I'm not going to do it. And just like I have and obey the legal gag orders, you can't force me to violate my conscience and hurt my son. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Jeff, you are openly a Christian, a Christ follower. Yes. And that that plays into this the the moral side of this, this is a very controversial topic. It's a very polarized. So you're fighting against that too. And clearly what, just what you've told us about the judge and, and some of the things that you've dealt with, you had the support of Texas Governor Greg Abbott. But that wasn't enough in Texas. No, I'm not sure I had his support. Listen, the what's going on in the Republican Party is we have an extremely far left donor class for the Republican Party, and we have an extremely conservative voting class. So there's always this kind of civil war in the Republican Party about this. So, for example, the people think the transgender movement was funded and started by liberal Democrats, right? That's not true. It was started by Republicans. Let me say that again. The transgender movement was started by liberal Republicans. The man who started the first movement for this was a guy named Paul Singer. He's a hedge fund billionaire. He's the largest donor to the Republican Party. He's the largest, out of state donor to Texas Republicans. And he founded the Human Rights Campaign, which is the largest and most powerful LGBT lobby group in that world. Absolutely. In the world. Yeah. The Adelson family, who funds almost entirely funds the Republican National Committee, were funding drag queen story hours in libraries and things like this all over the country, and have been promoting drag queens in their casinos. So what you have here is a situation where you have these liberal donors that give out lots of money, and the reality is you can't get elected without lots of money. So put yourself in the position of, say, a Texas legislator. You have to please a liberal donor and simultaneously please a conservative voting, electorate. How do you do that? Here's the way it works. I've seen it from the inside. What they do is they pass laws that look conservative and placate, their voting constituents, their conservative voting constituencies, but they leave loopholes which please their donors. Yeah. So let me give you an example. Outside of the transgender issue, let's look at abortion. A lot of people think in Texas that we've outlawed abortion. We haven't stopped a single abortion in the State of Texas. So what we did is we outlawed the medical procedure by a doctor of abortion, but it's still perfectly legal for a mother to take an abortion pill and kill her baby because it's not being done by a doctor. So what the Texas legislators do then is they go to the electorate and say, do you see how conservative I am? We outlawed abortion. Then they go to the donor class and say, see, we didn't stop any abortions. We left a loophole. So give me millions of dollars so I can get elected next year. That's the game they play. That's why the federal Congress can pass all these border, all this border legislation and everything and never has any effect. Right? No, no, nothing ever has any effect. They leave loopholes for liberals. So what we're going to have to do if we're serious about this transgender issue, if we're serious about reclaiming, a Christian culture, is we're going to have to defeat the liberal donor class of the Republican Party. And that's the battle in the GOP ahead for us. Yeah, I think we've all seen that, if if we are conservative, we have all seen how money really does talk when it comes to politics especially. Yeah. I was surprised when I read this in your bio. I was very surprised that we had such strong, I mean, huge liberal backing for the trans. Oh, yeah. But the agenda there, I mean, it's no, I mean, if you go every RNC, they put a transvestite up on stage to talk. Yeah. They put a trans person at the RNC convention. They put trans people up to talk to us and tell us about how great it is to be conservative. I mean that's, that should tell you something. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's really what you're up against right now. Yeah. So the started as you a battle between you and your wife. Yes. Her saying, you know, which I want to get to, I want to talk about James. But but you guys kind of battling on this moral issue, this, this biblical issue for you? But now you're battling against this huge system that you are trying to, create awareness for so that those of us who are sitting on the sidelines that don't have this direct impact, you know, it's not directly impacting us that we can understand because it goes so much deeper than just the surface, like you're talking about. Trump is in office right now. I just wanted to get your, opinion on is that is that going to help you at all in any way or the movement in itself? It's already helped me. He's the first elected official that's ever actually kept a promise to me. His staff promised me that within one month, they would pass an executive order banning these procedures. And he did it in the third week. Yeah. That, what that did is, it prohibited federal reimbursements to hospitals that do these procedures. I don't think a lot of people know that once you get kids into the pipeline on this gender pipeline and these gender clinics, they become a $4.5 million lifetime income stream, to the gender clinics. So imagine if you have 5000 kids, you have just a massively huge billion dollar income stream, right? So that's what's that's what's really going on here. They want to put these kids into these and the drugs that they use. The puberty blocking drugs are among the most expensive drugs in the world. While of course, so the hospitals can't afford to do this without federal reimbursements. And those federal reimbursements were put in place by Obama, specifically to push the trans agenda. So our enemies are extremely adept at doing that. They they create in the economy through regulation laws, insurance regulations, things like that. They create, financial incentives to do the wrong thing. Yeah. And long ago and, in Obama's administration, he created financial incentives to trans kids. And that's why it's happening. I mean, it's no accident. I mean, just look, in two years, you had$100 million gender clinics sprouting up in all 50 states. I mean, you don't get capital like that out of nowhere. Okay, so this is a this is a deeply planned attack, on conservative families, especially suburban families. And it was an attempt to break up the voting cohesion of the middle class. You know, right now, I brought up Trump. I'm going to bring up one more that's under a lot of heat right now, and that's Elon Musk. And he's going through and he's cleaning house. With stuff I would imagine. This is this is on his plate too is the stuff that we're funding, that we have no business funding as taxpayers. Yeah. You may not know this, but Elon Musk, had a son, who was trans by one of Elon Musk's ex-girlfriends. And Elon Musk has said he was totally alienated from me. And my son is dead now from the transgender issue. Wow. And that was Grimes, you know, that he had a child with. Yeah. And, so Elon Musk has been directly touched with this issue, and he's definitely on our side when it comes to the transition. Wow. Well, for those of you listening, you know, we don't often talk about politics on here, but this is a perfect example of why Christians need to be aware of what's going on in our government and politics. Yes. It is so important because if we don't take a stand, this stuff kind of continues. And and as you said, Jeff, you know, things are happening under the surface that most of us don't know about, and it's setting up agendas for things that later down the road, we need to be aware of that. And we need to stand up as believers and, and, and take a stand for families like, Jeff's, let's go back and talk about the beginning of this issue, because this goes back to what when did this actually begin the the issue between you and your wife and this transgender trans. My sons were two and a half years old, and, she's she started trying to transition. And while we're still married. Wow. Is this to you? I know people are going to ask this. Is this to you about Lgbtq+? Are you just are you just opposed to that agenda? And this is your way of of sticking your flag in the ground and saying, I'm going to battle against it. So here's something a lot of people don't know about me. So my youth, I was a raging libertarian before I was a conservative. And, I volunteered to go in the Army. I was trained, I was qualified as a U.S. Army infantryman. I went to the airborne school. I was headed to the first Ranger Battalion. At the airborne school. I got wind that a gay man had been discharged and given a dishonorable discharge for off base sexual activity. Now, I believe the officer corps can throw anybody out of the military for any reason whatsoever. If it enhances force effectiveness, there's literally no reason that they can't throw people out or bring people in on any criteria whatsoever. I don't care if it's racial or anything. I think any reason that makes it better, they can do it. Yeah. However, they gave this man a dishonorable discharge, which is a discharge that is generally reserved for the murder of noncombatants and rape of noncombatants. Wow. And it's been cowardice in battle. And it's an appropriate discharge for those reasons. A dishonorable discharge is way worse than a federal felony conviction. You cannot rent an apartment. You cannot get a mortgage because the government will not insure your mortgage. You can you cannot have any licensure in any state for the rest of your life. You can never possess a firearm. You're never allowed to vote. You basically can't do anything but become homeless. And then once you have a dishonorable discharge, you're done in America. And it's an appropriate punishment. Actually, it's a form of banishment for cowardice in battle. I approve of it, sure. However, I don't think it's appropriate for off base sexual activity. So actually, let a protest off base, about it. In my raging libertarian days and, I was punished. I was given hard labor. I was imprisoned at hard labor for doing that protest. And ultimately that led to my discharge from the Army. So I don't agree with the gay agenda whatsoever. I don't believe in gay marriage. I don't believe, I don't even believe that being gay is a status. I think it's a behavior, not a status. So you can't attach rights to it at all. So I'm totally not on board with the gay agenda or the LGBT agenda, but I also don't believe the government should mistreat anyone, anyone. And I'm not going to allow the government to mistreat anyone. So yeah, you know, you could say I am. Am I just against the LGBT agenda? Yeah, and for good reasons. But that doesn't mean I want the government to mistreat anyone. And when I ran for office in Texas, I'd have all these people show up and call me a transphobic, a gay vote. And I would just ask them a question. I went to prison at hard labor to stand up for fairness for a gay person. Have you done there? Well, then shut up. Yeah. Is that your stance today? Yes. Okay. I'm against. I think gay marriage should be repealed. I think, the Supreme Court decisions that established being gay and trans as protected classes are absurd because these are behaviors, and you can't attach rights to behaviors. That doesn't even make sense. Yeah. So I completely, want to do all that stuff, but at the same time, I don't want, I want, I don't want the government to abuse anyone. Yeah. I think that's a reasonable stance. And I think it's the conservative stance. And you've kind of answered this question, but I want to ask you another, another thing that has probably been thrown out of you as a Christian. Aren't we supposed to love everyone, including including the trans and the LGBTQ community? Yeah, but but here's the thing. We. You're 100% right. We should love everyone. I do love trans people. They're trans people that I'm in contact with all the time because they don't support trans and kids. I have to work with them. If we have common cause to protect kids, I'll work with anybody. Sure. But let's talk about what love is. You know, if you read the Bible, there's three words for love that are used. Remember when when Jesus asked Peter, Peter, do you love me? And he says, well, of course I love you. And then he says, Peter, do you love me? And Peter says of course I love you. And then Jesus says, do you love me? And Peter says, yes. And he has tears in his eyes. He says, then feed my sheep. If you read it in the Greek, he's using different words for love every time. You won't understand that passage unless you see the the difference is there. The kind of love that we're supposed to have for everyone is called agape. And that means the kind of love where you want people to get through the trials of this life, and to deal with the deceiver in this life in such a way that you make it to heaven. We want everybody to get to heaven if they can, right? Right. If they choose to go to heaven, you can choose not to, I guess. But if you choose to go to heaven, we want you to take to get there. That's the kind of love that Christians should have for everyone. And that kind of love often requires that we rebuke sin. Yeah. And I think we forget this, that rebuking sinners is a good work. Rebuking sinners is good. And by the way, if you have friends that will rebuke your sin and put you back on the straight path, you better keep those friends. Absolutely. Because in the modern world, most friends won't. Don't love you enough to do that. You know they don't care enough about you to get to heaven to do that. They don't want to be. They don't want to offend you, right? But your real friends want you to get to heaven. By the way, that's what a marriage is. A marriage is a partnership between two people who decide to go to heaven together. Yeah, that's right. And it requires the rebuking of sin. And we have forgot this for some reason. I don't think it's I think it's actually been a a deliberate plan to subvert the meaning of the word love. Oh, I agree. From to to mean something more like Fidelio in the Greek rather than agape in the Greek. The friendship that you might have for an acquaintance or business acquaintance or something. That's a completely different kind of love than the love for someone that you want them to get to heaven, and you have to rebuke sinners in your community, or you're going to have a community that essentially creates the conditions for most people to go to hell. True love is putting people on the right path and helping them repent. And by the way, that doesn't always mean, you know, I'm a I have more of a medical metaphor for the church rather than a legal metaphor. And, you know, not all medicines are good for everybody. Everybody has different illnesses that cause them to sin. So for some people, a stern talking to is what they need. For some people, quietly setting the example is what they need for other people. It's better for them to be pointed to Bible verses or to written treatises. Some peop, some people just need. You just need to like, hang out with them and make sure they don't get into problems. Some people just need that. Everybody needs different kinds of, rebukes. Right? And when we say rebuke, it's taken on a modern term of like, you know, wagging your finger in somebody's face. That's not what it means. It means to help somebody repent. And everybody has a different medicine. They need to help them repent. That's good. Yeah. I wanted to make that clarifying point because I know that there are people out there who have been following your story for years and, and like you said, they've, they've called you many names and they, they've come up against you from many different angles. But I want to set that record clear that, this is not about this is about your son. Correct me if I'm wrong. Tell me, why are you doing this? What is this? Why is this so important to you that you spent so much money and so much time, you know, to make this happen? Well, there's two reasons. One, you know, my son deserves my protection, and, he deserves all my resources to protect him. And he's going to get him. He's going to get all my resources, all my time to protect him. The second thing is, I wanted to leave, a large public record so that the courts and my ex-wife could not tell my sons that I had abandoned them. I have not abandoned my sons. And there's absolutely no way for them to say I have. I mean, she's probably telling them that. Sure. But the reality is, my sons can get on the internet and there's a massive public record that I want to be with my sons. I love my sons. I'm proud of my sons, and there's no way for them to suppress that. Those are the two reasons I do what? Wow. Well, we we definitely will be praying for this. I think, you know, as a as it continues, because it's not over and, we I want to thank you for taking the stand. It's it's got to be a hard, hard road. I love why you're doing it. And, I know there's a lot of people watching and listening that'll. It'll feel the same way. So I'm going to ask you at the end how we can support what you're doing. Let's talk about your kids. Because you have two sons. Yeah. You know, we we hear a lot about James, but you also have, Jude, correct? Yes. Yeah. Named after brothers of Jesus. James and Jude. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Tell us that story. What's that like for you? What's your relationship like with your sons right now? I don't have a relationship with my sons. They, have given me supervised visitation with transgender supervisors who will not let me use my son's true name. They, force me to use pronouns and all kinds of stuff. So, I'm not going to you. I'm not going to supervise visitations. This is very controversial to a lot of a lot of conservatives who say I should go to supervised visitations, but I think, it would set a couple things. One, I did two supervised visitations just to confirm my beliefs about it. It does, confirm in a child's mind that something's wrong with you because you have to have somebody watching over you. That's number one. Yeah. And number two, it forces me to deal with my son in a way that I'm unwilling to deal with them. So my relationship with my sons has always been extremely, extremely close. I was a highly involved father. I actually moved my business into my home so it could be with my sons 24 hours a day. We even during the, the divorce, you know, me and my sons were very close. If I had to describe them to you, probably the best way is through a story. You know, I could not understand modern cartoons. I just watch them. I don't even understand. I don't think I can find the plot of what's going on. So I went back to stuff I watched, and I like Jonny Quest when I was a kid, and I was. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I got the Jonny Quest DVDs and we watched these Jonny Quest and, you know, they're they're really fun because like, people are shooting real guns, you know, and and they're real adventures with real things. And so my sons really love them. And one day they were, they were about, two and a half. This is a right before she started trying to transition, James, we were watching one of their favorite episodes called The Invisible Monster. And this monster is chasing this little dog named bandit. And, James is saying things like, oh, well, don't worry, Bandit's fast enough, and Johnny's there. He's going to grab them out of the way. I don't think that's going to be a problem. And Judith's saying, why is bandit so scared? Johnny is really worried about that. That monster is so angry he has no reason to be, and I was. I realized that Jud was living the inner life of the characters, and James was living the outer life of the characters. And that was a key insight for me about how to raise them. And so, I saw very early that I had two boys who had very different orientations to the world, you know, and it shows up physically. James is a very talented stick and move boxer. I mean, he had Olympic talent scouts looking at him. Wow. Jud is a very heavyset, flat footed wrestler. And, he would make a great offensive guard. And so you can imagine how much fun it was playing around the house. You got these two totally physically mismatched kids and, you know, and I raised my kids the way. The way I was raised on a farm, you know, like, like, I don't have rules for my house. You know, that was one of the things they tried to pin on me all the time. You're an authoritarian parent. That's a standard thing they do to men in family court. So they would say, tell me about all the rules your father has at house. The counselors would ask and my sons would say, oh, dad doesn't have rules. He says, we should just follow the Golden Rule and be reasonable with people. And that's how I raised. I only had to make one rule the whole time. Yeah. They left iPads on the floor and stepped on them twice. So we said, well, we're gonna have to have a rule. Keep them on tables. But by and large, I told him, you know, like, you know, you your room doesn't have to be perfectly clean. It just should never rise to anyone's attention. We have the no mistakes principle. If you break a glass, but you sweep it up and take care of it and put everything away, it's not a mistake. If you fix. It's not to stay. Take every risk you want. Because as long as you can fix it, it's not a mistake. So take risks, feel free. And, And that's the way I raised my sons. With with regard to values, it's probably best, you know, probably best describes that with, couple, a couple of observations from the boxing gym. Well, we're going to take a break here, and we'll when we come back, you're going to hear a great story, about lessons learned in the boxing ring with dad Jeff Younger. And, so make sure you come back for part two and we will talk to you soon.