Shift by Alberta Innovates
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Shift by Alberta Innovates is dedicated to interviewing the innovators, entrepreneurs, and researchers who are leading the future of innovation in Alberta and globally. Alberta has many unsung heroes and many interesting and important technological advancements being made that will greatly impact our lives. Shift is a spotlight for listeners to get a sense of how Alberta innovation is leading the way.
Shift by Alberta Innovates
From Skip to Neo to Tech Thursday: creating spaces that matter for Alberta's tech leaders
What happens when a talent acquisition strategy evolves into a national movement connecting Canada's fragmented tech ecosystems? Philippe Burns, recently named one of Calgary's top innovators in Avenue Magazine, reveals the remarkable journey behind Tech Thursday—a grassroots event series that's become the beating heart of Alberta's innovation community.
From its humble beginnings as a Neo Financial recruitment initiative to its current status as an independent company hosting 175+ events with over 20,000 attendees, Tech Thursday represents a masterclass in community-building. The secret? Creating casual environments where meaningful connections happen organically, without the forced networking that plagues so many tech events.
Burns introduces us to the "flywheel effect"—the powerful cycle where successful tech companies spawn new ventures, creating self-reinforcing momentum that transforms entire regions. This pattern, witnessed in innovation hotspots worldwide, is emerging in Alberta's ecosystem, with Neo Financial (itself a Skip the Dishes offshoot) now catalyzing numerous startups.
Most compelling is Tech Thursday's mission to dissolve boundaries between traditionally isolated Canadian tech communities. Their expansion to Edmonton and Ottawa aims to facilitate crucial cross-city relationships between investors, founders, and talent. As Burns explains, "We're adding more cities, but we're also connecting investors, founders, maybe their first engineering hire between these cities as well, so we can build a stronger Canadian-wide tech hub."
For founders and community builders alike, this candid conversation offers invaluable insights into balancing ambition with authenticity, quantity with quality, and hype with genuine value. Ready to contribute to Alberta's innovation flywheel? Reach out to Philippe directly on LinkedIn with your ideas for speakers, topics, or feedback.
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Today's guest is bringing serious momentum to Alberta's tech community. Philip Burns, recently named one of Calgary's top innovators in Avenue Magazine's Innovators of 2025, is the driving force behind Tech Thursday, an event series that's reshaping how Canada's innovators connect and collaborate. His positive energy and commitment to real community building stand out in a noisy world. Sit back, settle in. Welcome to Shift. Well, hello everybody. Today, my guest is Philip Burns, the co-founder of Tech Thursday, a grassroots event series that has become a cornerstone of Canada's innovation community. Philip, how are you doing today?
Phillipe:Doing very well. John, thank you so much for having me.
Jon :You know it's great to put a face to the name because I've been reading Tech Thursday. You know the newsletter that you guys put out for a while, you know, and I know that we've been involved as well with some of the events, particularly the one around productivity, so it's really cool to meet you finally?
Phillipe:Yeah, absolutely Well, it's great to meet you too. I love what you guys are doing and, yeah, love the podcast as well.
Jon :Right on. So Tech Thursday has clearly struck a chord 175 events, more than 20,000 attendees since launching. But I want to go back a bit. When you first started Tech Thursday, what was the gap you and the team were trying to fill, and why is it so important to build a space like that, specifically, you know, in Alberta, for our tech leaders?
Phillipe:Yeah, you know, the origin story of Tech Thursday is kind of interesting. So you know, I had started, you know, previous, to sort of running Tech Thursday full time. I was at Neo Financial and I joined there. About a year after joining, I sort of shifted focus to standing up a team called the Talent Marketing Team. So, effectively, we'd raise our Series C.
Phillipe:We had about 300 employees and we wanted to scale to about 800 within the course of like 12 months or something you know sort of ridiculous for a company, and so it was really sort of our team's mandate was to build our employer brand, get more people to want to work for us, and so we built out a whole sort of employer brand strategy, and events was a big part of that strategy. So we had went, we had been going to a lot of events, um, and we thought there were, there were a lot of sort of, yeah, career fairs. There were maybe, um, also a lot of pitch days or demo days, but there weren't a lot of, you know, events that really targeted senior members of the tech community, and so that's that's really the impetus for us to start. Tech Thursday was actually, we kind of want to hire these folks and so let's build sort of a. But we know no one's going to want to come to a Neo recruitment event every week, so let's build something that's really community focused, that gets people out, that allows for the space to be created for senior members of the tech community to learn about things relevant to what they're working on at work.
Phillipe:And so that's really why we started Tech Thursday, which is sort of interesting roots, and then so we started in Winnipeg and then expanded it to Calgary. Nearly two years ago now and at a certain point last year we're no longer really hiring at scale at Neo, but Tech Thursday was revenue positive because of some of the sponsors we're able to bring on, and so we spun out Tech Thursday into its own company July of last year, and so now I've been running it full time, which has been a lot of fun. So, yeah, a long way of answering your question of like kind of how we identified the gap and how we were able to kind of spin out into its own company.
Jon :Well, that's really cool. So a spin out of Neo Financial. Now is your background HR and marketing communications?
Phillipe:No, I'll say, like I had worked with the founders at at Neo financial previously, at skip the dishes Um, and so I had just kind of a lot of experience, uh working with them and and uh understanding how they work and so, um, they kind of put me into to solve this, this talent marketing issue.
Jon :Wow. So then they obviously identified a strength you have and said, hey, let's give this a whirl and off you go. So that's, that's cool. And when you just I, I, you know I don't I want to keep this tech Thursday focused, but just real quick for those people that don't know. You know Neo financial is is run by. Is it a couple of guys that started skip the dishes or is it one guy in particular?
Phillipe:yeah, totally. So it's run by um there's, I think now they've sort of added a a co-founder recently, but so now I think that that makes their sort of list of co-founders up to five. Three of them, though, were co-founders of skip the dishes as well. Um so jeff adamson, andrew chow and chris amer all onto the founding team at skip. That's, it's just cool, you know, when you think about it dishes as well. Um so Jeff Adamson, andrew Chow and Chris Amara uh all on sort of the founding team at Skip.
Jon :That's. It's just cool, you know, when you think about it like a made in Canada success. You know, from Skip the dishes to Neo financial, now tech Thursdays again. You know what I started my question off with 175 events, 20 K plus attendees, like you guys, you're knocking it out of the park and that's. That's really cool. So congratulations. And I think having that you know in the ecosystem is a really valuable resource. So you know, in in the province, we talk about a lot about building, you know, world-class tech ecosystem in the province From what you've seen since, you know, a couple of summers, back in June, uh, 2023, what does it take to take to create a community, not just buzz, in a place like Alberta?
Phillipe:Yeah, totally Well, you know, I think a big part of it is. The more and more I've sort of looked and studied ecosystems around the world, the more and more I do think it is about building. You know, one successful one like large, successful tech company that sort of will spin out and have its offshoots. I mean, you sort of see, like you know, it's sort of unfortunate for Winnipeg I'm from Winnipeg and you saw Skip the Dishes have a lot of success there and they kind of weren't able to retain that talent, but what's happened was very similarly. You have, you know, these incredible entrepreneurs who have you know, um, who have then came to calgary and started numerous companies. That that sort of you you can sort of draw back to the skip the dishes success of neo financial, which, um, someone started harvest, which harvest, which sort of started propra, um right one vest, second shop, walnut um, and and there's a whole ecosystem there of companies that I think are, you know, on a really fascinating trajectory and I think we're going to see something um very similar happen when maybe there's a liquidity event that takes place at Neo or something Like. I do think you know, communities become thriving tech hubs when you have one fairly successful winner that is able to spin off a bunch of others. You saw it in PayPal, you saw it in LinkedIn, you knowous example. All of a sudden, there's 40 new tech companies that have a lot of success coming from it.
Phillipe:I think we'll see what takes place after Neo, but in terms of your question around specifically building tech community, for us, I think it was really important to create a really casual environment. For us, I think it was really important to create a really casual environment. No-transcript. Not, it shouldn't be overlooked the role that, um, you know, executives from the semiconductor companies meeting at pubs and talking about what they're building and what they're discussing, and having sort of a very casual environment to just discuss with your peers of what they're working on, what they're building and what that can be. And so for us at tech thursday, we really want to fill that gap of let's create a space for these casual tech executives to meet, to chat, to talk about what's happening, to talk about what's going on in their city and to use that as sort of, you know, a part of the flywheel in this ecosystem to create something really meaningful here.
Jon :Right, that's great. It reminds me of an expression, of an expression, uh, uh. A colleague of mine said once success is a magnet, you know. So you get that, you. You get someone who's you know, got a fairly successful, successful company and the spinouts and that attracts other people whether that's capital or you know other entrepreneurs and executives to come in and hey, what's going on there, you know, and when we look at what you guys are doing with your trajectory, with tech Thursday so you started in Winnipeg, came to Calgary a few years ago and now you guys are coming to Edmonton, and Alberta Innovates is a proud sponsor of uh, of the work you guys are doing. So what's that going to look like?
Phillipe:What makes Alberta right for this kind of growth and what kind of momentum are you seeing on the ground that brings you north now? Yeah, totally, that's a great question. I think Edmonton is sort of an awesome example of a thriving tech ecosystem and, in fact, like you have now Edmonton Unlimited, that, I think, is doing a great job of bringing the tech community together and you have Amy as well and API, a lot of awesome groups there and in fact a lot of really great tech companies there too. But I think he's lacking into programming and at least like consistent programming taking place there, and particularly, you know, in terms of the programming that Tech Thursday provides. So we've partnered with Ken Batista there in Edmonton who I feel like, if you're in the tech ecosystem, you've heard of Ken Batista system, you've heard of Ken Batista. So we're really looking forward to having him sort of be the community lead, if you will, along with the steering committee folks at Amy and API and Edmonton Unlimited, to sort of bring together speakers and panelists and topics. And yeah, I think our events are kind of going to hop around a little bit. Likely they'll be at Edmonton Unlimited for the most part and then they'll sort of shift over and yeah, I think our events are kind of going to hop around a little bit. Likely. They'll be at Edmonton, unlimited for the most part, and then they'll sort of shift over to being at Amy and sort of in between the two, depending on the topic, and really great sort of not necessarily nascent, but sort of like certainly like mid-sized tech community, and so I think that's like the perfect spot for Tech Thursday to come in support the growth of that ecosystem.
Phillipe:So the other thing that we want to do with these expansions is not only build really strong local tech communities, but we also want to begin to break down the barriers between these traditionally insular tech communities across Canada. And so you have, you know, in Canada we see very little sort of communication between I mean, we've been running this in Winnipeg and Calgary. Very few folks play between those two communities. But then you look to Calgary and Edmonton as well. It's like, oh, there should be a lot more interconnectedness between the cities in this province, but there really isn't right. There are very few folks who know what sort of companies or what sort of talent is in Edmonton and the like. And so we're also launching Ottawa. This week will be our first event in Ottawa and so our big focus is, as we're adding more cities, how do we also connect investors, founders, maybe their first engineering hire between these cities as well, so we can build a stronger Canadian wide tech hub as well and not just sort of within these cities too?
Jon :Oh, that's I. You know I love that. But just that that makes me glow when I hear that. Because, you know, when I think about inventors, a lot of the work that we would do is is how do we, how do we bring in, how do we build bridges with people outside? You know, within Alberta, for sure, within, like the regional innovation networks, that Alberta innovates funds, uh, between the two big cities, and there's a little bit of that going on to your point, but that can always be better. But then how do we start working with organizations like tech access Canada? You know we're running 60 plus, uh, you know tech uh centers across the country. How do we work with, you know, these entrepreneurs and these other organizations outside of Alberta, you know, to start really building that tech economy in the country? So that's cool, it's, it's, it's great to hear that there's like allied forces, so to speak, you know, and how do we work together and break those walls down and really start to increase that?
Phillipe:Well, I think that's why we've seen a lot of these tech communities see what the tech Thursday is doing and say, oh, that would be great. Like, now that we've sort of announced Ottawa and Edmonton, we've gotten some great traction. For I think the next sort of um uh cities on our roadmap are Montreal, waterloo and Toronto. And you've seen increasing traction even after we just press release on Thursday or sort of expansion, because it is, you know, sort of tech community with that national scope that I think people are really attracted by. Oh, this could really sort of be a game changer in terms of our ecosystem. So that's been really cool to see.
Phillipe:The other thing as well is, you know, we got a lot of follow on effect from doing an event in San Francisco last year in October we participated in San Francisco Tech Week and even from that we one met the guy who was going to run our events in Ottawa, which was great.
Phillipe:But we also met the Canadian consulate in Palo Alto, the folks who run the programming there, and they decided to do an event with us where they brought up two venture capitalists from San Francisco to Calgary to do an event in January. And so I mean, and we also, on top of that, we had three speakers participate. One of them actually just sold their company to Wealthsimple, which is super cool, but the other one, fj Yang, has now came up to speak at the University of Calgary, which we were able to facilitate, and I just saw that he's speaking later this month in May to Platform Calgary and he might also be speaking at House 831, for those who are familiar with that space. But so you know, just from that once-a-mill event, so much follow-on effect of just getting out there building community elsewhere is able to just have so much follow-on effect. So we're also really excited, like, of course, the national launch. But you know you might fault me for being a founder with crazy visions, but you know I'm really looking forward to it.
Jon :No way, man, I love it.
Phillipe:Tech Thursday London. Tech Thursday Medellin.
Jon :Sure.
Phillipe:And just like what that means for you know, just building a much larger network for that, uh, um, you know, just just, uh, building a much larger network for that.
Jon :Oh, totally no. I think that's great. Having aspirations like that is uh. I think that's the way to go for sure. So now let's bring it back a little more locally with a more national vision. If that, I don't know if that even makes sense. But you know, when we think about inventors, you know the, the uh, the event that's running here in in May, that's uh. I believe this is year eight for inventors and tech Thursday, both offering something rare in the space and that's in-person connection, the opportunity for deep conversations and a focus on quality over just hype. You know where you can actually sit down and have these deep discussions with like-minded individuals. Why are events like these essential? Not just for networking, but for actually moving the needle on innovation in business yeah, totally um.
Phillipe:Well, I I think um, the space for for informal like, uh, the opportunity for for informal meetings, and and um, also, also, I think if you can like one, you know, be inspired by a topic, and maybe that sort of like um sparks an idea for you, you, you get energized, you get like enthusiastic about something that you just learned about and decide to do a deep dive. I think that that's we shouldn't overlook the power that that has in in sort of innovation. But then the opportunity to meet folks who are somewhat involved in that topic, or just casual meetings, and what that can provide I think is incredible. And I think what inventors is doing that's really special is, um, I mean flying in, being this like huge center of gravity uh, for calgary is awesome, like um, having like some incredibly smart folks in the the room who are going to be speaking on the phone. I think that's going to be great. I think also, we'll become as a regular touchstone in our community. I think we'll become a huge part of our flywheel of okay, let's bring folks together continuously, elevate sort of our shared knowledge and what we're thinking, and I think that's awesome.
Phillipe:I think the other thing that InVentures is doing really well is they've done a great job of tapping all sorts of different community organizers to be a part of InVentures, and I think that's awesome. So often you see conferences sort of land, and land in a new city and maybe there which is not the case that InVentures is in New Calgary but you land in a city and sort of say like, hey, we're here, this is what we're doing, and it's so rinse and repeat and you know, it's kind of obvious how they're kind of executing their sort of business model or whatever it may be. And InVentures has done a great job of creating space for the tech community and I think what it means is this has sort of become the preeminent Calgary tech community conference that everyone sort of feels a part of and is able to contribute to. So that's been a really cool part of being involved in InVentures and also seeing what they've built for this year.
Jon :Yeah, and let me just expand on that because Cause I know you you'd mentioned it's a great opportunity for Calgary. Um, in ventures is like provincial, so it's, you know, we'll have the regional innovation networks participating there. They've been, you know, business people from Edmonton and innovators from Edmonton are coming up as well. So it's, it takes place in Calgary, as you know, but it's that magnet for the whole province and it's I've always thought of it as a celebration of Alberta innovation and an opportunity for us to shine a light and build bridges for the province to, you know, within the province and then outside. You know some of the things you're talking about with Tech Thursday. I just have to say, before I forget, I'm going to rip an expression off you. You've mentioned it a couple of times. You say the flywheel and uh, yeah, I really like that. I've used magnets, uh, you know, uh, shining a light on flywheels now going to be one that I I use often. So I hope I don't have to pay you like 25 cents every time I say that.
Phillipe:Yeah, no worries, I mean you'll owe the royalties to the, to the Neo guys, that's.
Jon :That's really what it is. Everyone's going to be listening to shift now so they can catch me saying flywheel.
Phillipe:Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. And you know the whole idea is like you can have, um, you know, however pieces, however many pieces of flywheel you have, you know each one feeds into the next and as each one starts to grow and become larger, it accelerates the flywheel right, and so each one feeding into the next gets faster and faster, and that's how you have. You know, exceptional growth is by, you know, feeding each part of the flywheel. Sure, all of a sudden, you can't get as far as it's going.
Jon :I like it. Yeah, consider that ripped off.
Phillipe:now I'm using that expression, all the time You're welcome to use it.
Jon :So when you think about Alberta being serious about leading in tech and innovation, when we say, yeah, we want to be tech and innovation leaders, I think we've got aspirations, much like you talked about earlier we want to be tech and innovation leaders. I think we've got aspirations, much like you talked about earlier, where you want to have tech Thursday London and all that. Alberta wants to be a leading innovation jurisdiction globally. We want to be seriously perceived. As you know, this, this area that contributes fantastically to a Canadian economy but that also helps Canada push, you know, innovation-wise. We need more than just funding. You know that's obviously a huge part, but we need people to show up for these things. So talk to me a little bit about that. What does that mean? Like you know, when you've got Tech Thursday events, when you've got the events at Platform Calgary's hosting the Regional Innovation Networks, the Edmonton Unlimiteds, the InVentures, what does it mean to get out and participate in these things so we can start to really hit our aspirations?
Phillipe:Yeah, totally, john. I love all this talk that you have. You've mentioned a few times of like what's hype versus not, or like how do we build a really serious tech ecosystem where we're sort of like are we just building a tech community for fun or are we really trying to build an industry? Right, and I think that's often overlooked or forgotten a bit of amongst like, this is one of the hardest industries in the world to build a company in. But also, you know, the largest companies in the world right now are tech companies right. So, you know, if we want to build, if we want to build really meaningful companies in this space, we got to hustle and we have to build really exceptional companies. No-transcript, and I think that's like for us.
Phillipe:We actually we actually started our company. So when we spun out Tech Thursday, we we actually decided to hold a high bar operating under a venture-backed company where we always had to hold a high bar of do they have a return on investment for NEO? If they do, okay, can you do them. If not, you got to kill them and very similar. Now we want to hold ourselves to that similar bar of. You know, we have to be um, we have to be motivated by whether or not we're supporting our audience. We're supporting our, our sponsors, um and like. Are we creating value for the people who are coming, who are sponsoring us, who are speaking at our events? And if not, we should be struggling to make ends meet. And so, for us, we really have to understand what is the value that we're creating for entrepreneurs, for founders, for our audience, and really hit that consistently. Otherwise, we have to reshape and read and come back to the drawing board and say, okay, what is the value that we're creating? Let's make sure that we're, you know, reassessing that and doubling down and um, otherwise not focusing on it.
Phillipe:So I think, like your question is totally, the founders need to show up, they need to like um, there's a lot of great events where founders can learn. For tech thursday, what we're trying to do is bridge the, the knowledge gap of how do we get more folks to understand what it takes to build these like really meaningful companies. And there are a lot of other great events who do that um, who put on amazing programming and focus on how do we build meaningful companies, how do we create step like, how do we have a step change in this ecosystem to like get us to that next spot. So I think for founders, it's like yes, you should be coming out and networking, but also you should be hustling and building your company, and so if you do show up to an event, like, hold them to a high standard of like, am I getting value, am I not?
Phillipe:And, and what does value look like for me at this point of building my company? Um, and so, yeah, you know I, I think also like, platform does an awesome job too. Um, it's just a matter of like, taking a serious look at like, what is the return of, even like, my time investment in going to these events? Uh, and, and understanding, that.
Jon :You know, phil. That's, that's a great answer. Um, you know, cause there are a lot. I think in Alberta there's a lot of support, there's a lot of events and people I think want to go to all of them. Or like, how do I go? I can't go to all of them, and that message of being judicious as you look at what, what's going to give you the best return on your investment. And now my next comment might sound flippant, but I don't. I'm. I'm quite serious and I don't mean it to be flippant.
Jon :But when you go to events, fill out the surveys, fill out the post event surveys and let let people know when they're organizing events that, yeah, you missed the mark or man, you hit it bang on. Give us help in understanding what the community wants. You know we're always and when I say we're, I'm kind of speaking about you know the ecosystem. You know we need to have feedback from founders. You know and and researchers, and you know new entrepreneurs like what do you, what do you need? We have a pretty good sense, but things, you know, are always changing. Maybe something pops up that people want more information on and, uh, you know we want to help provide valuable value add content. So I think your answer is uh, uh, yours is fantastic. Just thought I'd supplement it yeah, yeah, totally.
Phillipe:Um, yeah, you know tech. I'll maybe just add quickly tech thursday doesn't do post event service, though we maybe should, but we do um, we do love uh you do now? Yeah, we do that, that's right. Well, our post event server is like just reach out to me on LinkedIn and just like be totally brutally honest with what you thought, because we always love feedback from our audience.
Jon :Okay, so you're telling people then, when they go to a Tech Thursday event, whether they're impressed or disappointed or whatever.
Phillipe:just reach out to you on LinkedIn yeah, exactly okay, linkedin and uh, yeah, or even, if you like, if hey, my buddy's in town, this is what he does. Can he's in town this day? Can we put him on a tech thursday or um, hey, I'm, I'm working with this new tool. Can we have a tech thursday on that? Any sort of feedback on on topics or um speakers?
Jon :I'd love to hear it, so send that all right on, yeah, yeah, boots on the ground. That's great. So now, philip, let's, let's wrap this up, cause I don't want to take all your morning, cause you were talking about hustling and I know you, you probably get to get out there and do that. But yeah, and you alluded to this already, we were talking about aspirations, but I have to ask it anyways, what's next for you in tech? Tuesdays, thursdays.
Phillipe:Yeah, absolutely so. As we've sort of said, we're launching Ottawa and Edmonton, and so those are launching this week, may 1st I'm not sure when this episode will come out, but May 1st in Ottawa, may 8th in Edmonton. So that's sort of like a rolling start here for kind of a national expansion over the next two weeks. So we're looking forward to seeing how that goes. We're also hosting an event in partnership with Fintechs Canada and Xero at Toronto Tech Week. So that will be exciting to see. Firstly, I think that event will be that whole week will be really cool. It's sort of a replacement of collisions. It will be awesome, but I think, a first foray into Toronto. I'm really looking forward to seeing what our reception in that market is.
Phillipe:So certainly, I think to us it's actually really about the Thursday events. We want to build and grow our audience there. I think our next focus is actually this, this sort of I might only simply allude to it, john of like. So we want to be in more markets. We want to be in possibly Toronto, Montreal, waterloo, you know, in the next 12 months. Our next focus is more on the Thursday media side.
Phillipe:We're sort of calling it of hey if we can build this like in-person audience and build this in-person infrastructure around events, are we able to also create videos from those events, create podcasts, maybe even stand up different shows as well, and if they get their own following, well, okay, you can do a roadshow now, you can go to Toronto to do your launch party and we have just that infrastructure and that in-person audience already baked in um. And also, if we can translate sort of that that following we have to our in-person events into um, into on like an online forum, I think that's like dramatically more scalable um and possibly um more sustainable than our in-person events. So that's kind of how we're thinking about. The two parts of our business is Thursday events and Thursday media, and right now, thursday media is our newsletters as well as, like you know, posting to YouTube, where so far, I think only 12 people have watched our videos. Um, or you know something like I think it's actually like 10 10 000 people have watched our shorts over the last month.
Phillipe:Right, our long content, um, you know, I'm sure building an audience for it, still building an audience for it too, for sure, but we've also probably not, uh, um, focused our resources enough on how do we actually build that out and actually like, how do we get people to actually engage in this audience or in this content.
Phillipe:So that's going to be our focus going forward, as we sort of launch some new cities and see, yeah, how do we engage this audience on sort of online, outside of the scope of of, maybe the, the thursday events themselves, so but but again, right, john, I'm going to bring it up again that's the flywheel of like, you have this in-person audience that you're creating and the easiest low-lift thing to do next is like, uh, engage them online and hopefully, by engaging them online, they're also feeding back into the in-person events and to me, I see that as the flywheel of our business. So, doing those two things and yeah, and then this is going to age this episode, but you know it's not about the. I actually have to go vote is what I got to do. You know it's election day, that's right, it's voting day. Yes, it's voting day. I got to go vote, yep.
Jon :That's right, it's voting day. Yes, it's voting day. So I got to go vote. Yep, yep, me too. Um, philip, I get. This was a real pleasure chatting with you and I got to tell you you got great enthusiasm and energy. That's infectious. So now I'm all like don't even need the coffee, I'm like yeah, let's do it.
Jon :I hope that I cross paths with you at adventures this year. I know you're a busy guy, so you're going to be in and around and uh hope we get the chance. If not, best of luck, we'll talk in the future at some point and I'm going to keep uh, you know, uh checking out the newsletter and attending the events when I can, and your Thursdays are going to get so busy you guys are going to have to start like tech Saturday mid afternoons, tech Sunday mornings.
Phillipe:Yeah. Excited to see where it goes. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. And, john, you'll probably be hearing from me what have you up at Edmonton, maybe moderating some panels, or you can do a live launch of a shift.
Jon :I'd love to help Live recording would be awesome. I'm there, man. That would be a lot of fun yeah, awesome.
Phillipe:Well, thank you so much for having me.
Jon :Thanks for your time, phil. Thanks for joining us today. Everyone, shift can be found on any of the streaming services until next time, thank you.
