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US Army Veteran - Kenny Claytor -Vulnerability and Strength: A Dad’s Journey
In this enlightening episode of the Quarterback Dadcast, Casey Jacox sits down with Kenny Claytor, a devoted father and US Army veteran, to explore the depths of fatherhood. Kenny and I met at the amazing company where he works, Tier 4 Staffing and Consulting.
Kenny shares his journey as a father, discusses the values learned from his upbringing, and how those lessons guide him in parenting today. With heartfelt anecdotes, he emphasizes the significance of gratitude in the parent-child relationship and how open communication forms the foundation for resilience in his three children.
Throughout their conversation, Kenny reflects on a challenge his daughter faced with mental health, illustrating how sharing hardships can create strong bonds and inspire others. As they navigate the complexities of balancing work and family life, they highlight the evolving roles of parents in raising children with emotional intelligence and strong communication skills. His daughter, Kaci, would use this challenge to use her amazing singing talent, which is linked here.
The episode reminds us that vulnerability is a strength, encouraging fathers everywhere to share their experiences and learn from each other. It's a heartfelt dialogue between two dads, aiming to redefine what it means to lead a family and inspire listeners to become better versions of themselves. Join us as we delve deep into the essence of fatherhood, tackle important issues, and encourage dads to embrace their roles with authenticity.
Additionally, we covered the following:
- Kenny’s background: from army veteran to family leader
- Discussing gratitude for family relationships
- Learning through struggles and parenting challenges
- Emphasizing the role of emotional intelligence in parenting
- Sharing his daughter’s inspirational journey through music
- The importance of open conversations about difficult topics
- Balancing traditional roles in parenting
- Encouraging fathers to be vulnerable and supportive
- A call to action for men to lead authentically and intentionally
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Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder, and this is my dad show.
Speaker 2:Hey everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the quarterback dad cast. Welcome to season six, and I could not be more excited to have you join me for another year of fantastic episodes and conversations really unscripted and raw and authentic conversations with dads. If you're new to this podcast, really it's simple. It's a podcast where we interview dads, we learn about how they were raised, we learn about the life lessons that were important to them, we learn about the values that are important to them and really we learn about how we can work hard to become a better quarterback or leader of our home. So let's sit back, relax and listen to today's episode on the Quarterback Dadcast. Well, hey, everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the Quarterback Dadcast. Welcome to season six.
Speaker 2:Welcome to me celebrating one of my favorite people I've met along this journey of entrepreneurship. It's the one and only Kenny Claytor, and we're going to celebrate Black History Month by having one of my favorite brothers on, even though this episode is going to come out March 6th, we are recording in February, so that's why we're still going to celebrate that together. But I met Kenny through the journey of entrepreneurship, as I spoke at his company, at a great, fantastic place called Tier 4, led by the one and only Betsy Robinson. But Kenny is not only a US Army veteran proud veteran, thank you, sir. He's also a client services director at Tier 4, providing staffing and consulting services to many companies across America. But with all that said, that's not why we're having Kenny on. We're having Kenny on because we're going to learn how he's working hard to become that ultimate quarterback or leader of his household. So, without further ado, mr Claytor, welcome to the Quarterback Datcast.
Speaker 1:Thank leader of his household. So without further ado, mr Claytor, welcome to the Quarterback Dadcast. Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. Case, look, that's a hell of an intro. Thank you, man. Thank you First. Take too, yeah, first take. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2:Well, we always start out each episode with gratitude, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a dad today?
Speaker 1:man, my wife, and being able to look at my three beautiful children, knowing that, uh, with everything that's going on in the world and with the turmoil and everything that's going on right now, to be able to say that, okay, I did something. I felt like I did something right. You know, of course, you're gonna have your good days and bad days, but to know that I can look at them and say, damn, we got it right.
Speaker 3:With a lot of help, with a lot of help.
Speaker 2:It really does take a village. Amen to that one. I mean amen to that one.
Speaker 1:It really does.
Speaker 2:What I'm grateful for today is I'm grateful for actually both my kids have boyfriends and girlfriends, which I never I mean, that hit me, that came up fast and they both I could say they both, these, both kids are in love, like, and it is pretty cool to see like my son is um, he's done obviously in college. Dayton is fantastic young woman, charlie, shout out to you and, um, just Just it's cool to see your kids meet a boyfriend. Obviously, girlfriend for my son, boyfriend for my daughter, riley. And today is my, my daughter's boyfriend's birthday, and I never thought I'd be texting my daughter's boyfriend birthday, happy birthday.
Speaker 2:I say happy birthday I did, yeah, and I'm just grateful for I mean, and it makes them happy. And I think sometimes it's easy to focus on all the things that are not Well. They're important, but not as important as like kind of mental health and you know whether it's how many points you score. What did you stop? This did you? How'd you play golf? What's your grades? It's like, yeah, that's important, but like sometimes just being happy, and so I'm very grateful.
Speaker 1:So many aspects of being a dad casey, so many aspects, man I'm like, and there's no book. You know you, you learn as you go.
Speaker 2:You know you like you learn as you go. Man, they don't give manuals at the hospital when you leave.
Speaker 1:No, they show it down. Yeah, they show it down.
Speaker 2:Look speaking of dating.
Speaker 1:My oldest is dating and she's been dating this one young man. We love him to death. They grew up together. Funny enough, when we were back in Maryland, we all his family and our family we all knew each other. We used to babysit him and fast forward. Years later they stayed in in contact through social media. One thing led to another and now here they're dating and talking about the possibility of taking a net. I'm like whoa, wait a minute. I'm like time has flown over here. I'm like hold on.
Speaker 1:But it's good to see that you've instilled the right things, especially your girls, and what to look for in a man, so that's a blessing in itself, man.
Speaker 2:Yep, well, bring me inside the Claytor huddle. You're going to play quarterback. We'll give your wife a nod as a general manager. Yeah, sure, but tell me a little bit about how you both met and then tell me about each of your children what they're up to.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a funny story, K, because I really don't think you even know this story. So my wife and I met on a blind date. Okay, so my wife and I met on a blind date, so we are eight years apart and so, needless to say, I was a little bit older when I met her. She was turning 20 when I met her, and she and my dad used to work together dad's law firm downtown DC. And he called me one day and he said hey, I think I have somebody that you might be interested in. And I'm thinking, okay, well, hey, your taste and my taste is completely different. No pun intended, I see my stepmom, you know. So, hey, I'm good, I think I can find my own. And he said, no, call her. So again, remember this prior to social media, there's no looking nobody up trying to figure out what he or she looks like. No, no, stalking, none of that.
Speaker 1:So he gave me the number and she evidently told him hey, tell him to reach out to me. So it took me about three weeks to call. So I finally called Case and it's one of those scenarios where she sounded really good on the phone. I'm like man, she sounds really good on the phone. I'm like man, she sounds really good on the phone. And then I'm thinking like, okay, where does she live? She's got to live way out. And, of course, me, coming from the city, I was living in DC. She was living way out in the suburbs in Silver Spring of Maryland and I drove out the meter. Ignorance on my part, I'm going to own that.
Speaker 1:So all the Jamaicans that I knew coming up were dark-skinned Jamaicans. There were no light-skinned, fair-skinned, white Jamaicans. Didn't know of that. Get to her house, house full of Jamaicans. Whole family is there, casey, whole family is there. I open the door and I'm like, so why do you look so different? And you say I thought she was Latin. To be honest, I thought she was Latin American and had no idea that her dad was a white man, jewish and Jamaican. And I'm like, wow.
Speaker 1:So we hit it off. One thing led to another, fast forward, you know, I told her what, uh, I think that third night when we went out, I said you know, I told her what. I think that third night when we went out, I said you know you're going to marry me and she said yeah, whatever. I said no, you, you are marrying me. She said I'm too young for you, this is just fun for you. I'm like, okay, I'll show you.
Speaker 1:So we wound up getting married. You know, we wound up getting married three beautiful kids my oldest daughter, kennedy. She's 24. And she's named. Of course the name Kennedy comes from me, I'm Kenny, so she's Kennedy, and that's my baby girl, oldest one, but my baby girl, Special place in the heart with her. We went through a lot when she was first born and she was in the hospital for a long time. Her lungs were oversized and she had to be in the bubble and we couldn't touch her. It was. It was a lot going on, but, through the grace of God, everything, she's fine, no issues, good to go. Then comes my son, which we had planned. Everything was planned, we tried to do everything, like this plan, and son comes along. I'm like, ok, I'm good, now I got a girl and a boy.
Speaker 1:I'm like boom.
Speaker 1:So she said I wanted him to be a junior and the wife was like no, no, no, we're not, you're not getting the best, you're not getting both. So we gave him Spencer, which the S stands for Sophia. So he got the S for her and I'm like, OK, that's fair, I can do that. 12 months later, 12 months later, 12 months, three days later, my youngest one comes. I call her my that's my deployment miracle baby because, secondly, the doctors have said that my wife wasn't going to be able to have kids after our son, or if she did, it would be very dangerous and difficult time trying to get pregnant so fast forward.
Speaker 1:I guess it was God's plan and she came out. She is the youngest but she is the scrappiest of the three and she is on her, she's at lsu right now and she wants to be completely different from the sisters and the brother and she doesn't want to be classified as the little sister of. She wants to make her own name. So it's been great seeing the journey, man, and understanding what having a partner and being equally yoked is, and watching that and just being. We have these misconceptions of what we think a spiritual leader of a household is supposed to be. You know, we think most of the time, it's about submitting, submitting, submitting. But as a man, if you don't give your woman anything to submit to, how's that going to work? To submit to, how's that going to work, you know? So I don't believe in 50-50. It's got to be 100-100 across the board in order for it to work.
Speaker 1:So I think God just blessed me with the right woman, and of course my dad does not let me live that down that he was the one that made that intro.
Speaker 3:So it's been a hell of a journey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been a hell of a journey, so what?
Speaker 2:is your youngest name.
Speaker 1:My youngest is Cassidy. So all the girls got Ks. Yeah, all the girls got Ks. Yep, so it's Cassidy with a K, so it's K-A-S-S-I-D-Y Okay.
Speaker 2:And how old is Spencer and Cassidy.
Speaker 1:Spencer just turned 21. Actually, Sunday he just turned 21. Sunday Cassidy is 19 and she'll be 20 on March 12th.
Speaker 2:March 12th, that's my birthday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you have it, that's why we get along.
Speaker 2:There we go. I like that, okay. And what does your wife do now? What's she up to? And what does your wife do now?
Speaker 1:What's she up to? She's a senior director over at Linux International. So she is a I marry Will that's my brain child, that's my brain child, so she's really good at what she does at L&D. So she's been at Linux now probably almost two years I think it's almost two years which she loves it. She loves her team, she loves what she does. That's something that she has the passion for. So it's good to be doing something that you really like and you enjoy. Very cool. She loves teaching man. Anything that she can do to teach, she loves it.
Speaker 2:Very cool, all right, man. Well, this is where we go back in time and we're going to have you reflect time and we're gonna have you reflect. We're gonna have you reflect on um what was life like growing up for you and um. Talk a little bit about that and then talk about. Tell me about mom and dad and the impact they had on you now that you're a dad so growing up for me man is completely different than how my kids were growing up.
Speaker 1:So I think, living in Texas and being out and you always want better for your kids and I'm not saying that my mom and dad didn't do a good job but when you look at DC, so I grew up in the nation's capital, living in DC and then living in Maryland, which that's all right. There is all adjacent, so you can let's say you can be in a million or three million dollar house. You're going to be put adjacent no matter. No matter where you are, so you can go around the corner down the street and make the wrong turn and like, oops, I'm not supposed to be in this neighborhood. Out here you literally have to get in the car and drive your kids to a really bad neighborhood because Texas is so big. But I think I'm my only child. My mom couldn't have any more kids after me, unfortunately, so all that gray hair that she has, that comes from me. It comes from me.
Speaker 1:I will own that, that is all me but I think, um, I must say, man, I had a great childhood. Um, I did everything that you could think of that was dangerous. I used to race, uh, amateur motocross. Um, the first race that my mom came to, you know, I flew off the handlebars and broke my arm and got back, got back on the bike, got back on the bike, though. Got back on the bike though.
Speaker 1:Got back on the bike, played football, ran track. I used to box, so I was heavy into boxing and I think my grandfather was like the matriarch of the family and he was the one that, like I said, I love my dad just from a different way. And he was the one that, like I said, I love my dad just from a different way. But watching my grandfather at his age, being able to do what he did and then to have that spiritual piece of it come from him, and going down in the basement on Sundays, you know, helping him cook and helping him prepare and him showing me what to do and add this and do this. So my nickname from him but he used to call me Bub and that was my, that was my nickname and I miss him to death man and my dad and I.
Speaker 1:My dad was the one that wanted to make sure that, hey, you don't have any sisters and brothers, so you need to be a little tougher than anybody else, you need to have that grit and fight a little bit harder. And my mom was the one. Hey, you use this fork for this, you use this glass for this. She was the prim and proper one and my dad was like, look, that's great, but you need to be able to do this, this, this and this. So it was a very good balance Sitting back as a parent now. Now, it's a great balance to be able to see that and then be able to roll that. How some of your baggage rolls into your own, you know, as you get older you know good or bad good or bad and I think, um, from that man, I think it.
Speaker 1:It made me growing up how we grew up, um, seeing some of the things I saw. Some of it I probably shouldn't have seen, but I think it makes you a better person and it shows you that life isn't just in this little square box where you live. There's a lot of things going on in the world that your parents shield you from and a lot of things I didn't even get a chance, I wasn't privy of, and back then, you know, nobody believed in going to you know, hey, hush, this stays in the family, you don't talk about this, this stays right here. So I didn't learn about a lot of different things until I got, probably late teenage age, teenage stage, and I started I'm like, oh, that's what that meant, stage. And I started I'm like, oh, that's what that meant. So it was different being able to see that, and it's just certain things you're going to see growing up in DC that my kids won't be able to. They just won't see.
Speaker 2:What did mom and dad do for work?
Speaker 1:My dad used to be a police officer. He worked for a company called well private investigator used to be a police officer. He worked for a company called well private investigator, a company called Wackenhut. So he did private security like executive security, funny enough. You know, I wonder how I stumbled into it. And then my mom worked for Senator Kennedy at the White House. So she was a confidentialist. Actually, let me back that up.
Speaker 1:Before she worked for Senator Kennedy she worked for Admiral Yost of the White House. So she was a confidentialist. Actually, let me back that up. Before she worked for Senator Kennedy she worked for Admiral Yost of the Coast Guard. So if you look him up, admiral Yost was the one that did that big oil spill back in the day. I think that was late 80s and he was in charge the Valdez one. I think that may be the one. That may be the one, but I had a chance to meet him and it was great seeing going downtown DC, seeing her do her thing and Hobnosh and then bringing her son down and I got pictures with Admiral Yost, I got pictures with Senator Kennedy. So it was pretty good seeing those things growing up man and then not knowing at the time how big it really was until I got older and I'm like, damn, I really I really was talking to admiral yost. I'm like I really was talking to senator, senator kennedy. So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was pretty cool now our mom and dad still with us yes, they have gone their separate ways, though.
Speaker 1:Um they were married 20 plus years, maybe 20, 23 years, something like that. And then just didn't work out. Just didn't work out. My mom lives in Vegas now. She and my stepdad are in Vegas, and my dad still lives in DC.
Speaker 3:He's in.
Speaker 1:Maryland. He's in Maryland with my stepmom. They both got remarried. So it's been great man, having never thought seeing my mom with another guy how that would make me feel. Because as a man you're like, okay, dad is going to be okay, dad is going to be dad. But then it's a different love between a son and a mother and I must say my stepdad is so respectful man. When I met him and he was talking about moving to Vegas with my mom, he pulled me to the side. He said hey, I know you and your mom are really close. How do you feel? First, casey, just for him even doing that? I'm like, dude, I already know where you're going with this.
Speaker 1:You got kudos, but for him to even ask my opinion. You know, hey, how does it make you feel? You know, with me taking your mom to Vegas, I was like man, the fact that you even asked and you gave me that much respect. As long as you take care of my mom, you won't have to worry about me. I said, that's all. I want to see my mom happy and if you make my mom happy, I'll be happy. You won't have no issues with me, nothing whatsoever, and we love my kids to death.
Speaker 1:Man, when he calls my kids, his grandchildren, I talk to him probably every day. You know, when I call my mom, he gets on the phone. I talk to him. I still talk to my dad every day. When I call my mom, he gets on the phone. I still talk to my dad every day. It's good trying to. In the beginning, casey was hard, trying to balance everybody's emotions and feelings. I'm like, okay, do I talk to my dad? Do I talk to my stepdad? It's difficult when the family's coming together for the first time, when something like that happens for a big event and they came to Texas.
Speaker 2:Ooh, that was awkward.
Speaker 1:That was really awkward.
Speaker 2:And tell me so. It sounds like your grandpa was a big influence on you too. Huge man.
Speaker 1:So my son's middle name is Louis, so Louis comes from my grandfather's first name, louis Reynolds. So 37 years. Um, military, um, he was World War II vet, uh, a chef on. I forgot the name of the ship. I got the, I got the write-up in my room and then, but he was a chef on the ship. So all the cooking and the hunting and learning how to, to, to cut it up and kill it and cook it the right way, I learned from him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I learned from him hence your barbecue pictures and videos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, man, yeah, so it's funny, he never. So I've never seen a person that could cook a steak on the stove and you would swear that the steak came off the grill. Casey, because he used a big skillet for everything that he cooked and to this day I have not mastered that. Now, grilling it oh, I got you, but to cook it in that skillet and make it taste like it came off that grill, I still to this day, man, I do not know how he did that. Wow, and I mean my granddad had what him and my grandmother had been married 40 years, I think 35 or 40, a long time, long time.
Speaker 1:But three kids. My mom is the oldest. I used to call them the Brady Bunch. Three boys, three girls. So my mom is the oldest. Two of my uncles passed away, but everybody else is still around and still kicking. But everybody else is still around and still kicking.
Speaker 3:Okay, between your grandpa rest in peace and your mom and dad what were like.
Speaker 2:tell me maybe we'll call it two or three like core values, that these were like must-haves that your parents pounded at India. You must learn these values, and then, of those values, have you passed those down to your kids?
Speaker 1:Yes. So let me start with my dad first. So my dad's biggest thing was my dad and my mom, with me being a only child. My mom really wanted to make sure. She said listen, what I want you to do as a man, I don't want you to be like my brothers. You need to know how to cook, you need to know how to clean. So I started cooking and cleaning. Probably I think I cooked my first breakfast. I was seven or eight years old. I mean a complete full breakfast bacon, eggs, you know, so-called pancakes, you know, and everything I cooked.
Speaker 1:My first breakfast then and that was a big thing for my mom is knowing how to wash and separate clothes, knowing how to do the small things that her brothers didn't do, because my grandmother was there and would do it for them. And my dad's biggest thing is he said, hey, as a man, you need to always know how to take care of your family. And I'm like, well, what does that look like? So in my mind back then Case I thought just being just this physical presence from a security standpoint. But there's so much more to taking care of your family from just that. And he said, no, he said what you need to understand.
Speaker 1:When you're with your woman, you walk against the traffic, you put her on the inside, no matter if y'all having an argument or not. You always protect her. You always open the door. You never let nobody on the outside see what's going on on the inside. Y'all could just have an argument, but if you're going somewhere, nobody should know that. Y'all just had that argument until you get back home, until you get back home, I'm like okay, so I've kind of instilled those same things in my girls, right?
Speaker 1:So I'm like, when you're looking at young men, don't hold this against them, but it's certain qualities and it's again, I think it's a difference when men grow up with other men around them to kind of guide them and show them different things, versus a female, because some females don't know that it's not a big deal for them to. Hey, you walk on this side of the street and I walk on this side of the street. So I taught my girls that and I also taught them and my son. I'm like look, you need to know how to cook. That's a big thing, Because nobody you're not. What if you don't have anybody around? What if mom and I die? You need to know how to take care of yourself. You need to know how to make sure you, especially with siblings, look out for each other and you need to make sure that you can fix a meal for your friend or a wife or husband whom to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's important. It's like I think like in this day and age, sometimes those skills don't get taught quick enough. Age, sometimes those skills don't get taught quick enough. I know, like in my family we were so busy like going left and right and you know my corporate job and our kids in sports, and then when it was an eye-opener I was like, wait a minute, we're doing too much for our kids. Yeah, so then that time we use that time to like turn our kids into straight up like short order cooks. So now it's like because they, you, it's so easy as parents just to, oh, I'll just do it because it's faster. We got to get going right, but they don't learn.
Speaker 1:But they don't learn yep, they don't learn and and it's hard man there there's a, there's this balance, and sometimes you have the husband, and the husband and or the wife has to say, hey, step back, let them go ahead and do it, yep. And sometimes, like you said, you want to jump in, like, look, let me show you real quick, come with me and I'll show you how to grill, and you wind up doing all the grilling versus letting your son or your girls do it Right.
Speaker 1:So it's huge man. Like I said again, it's no book and being able to watch it and sit back and kind of see it all kind of play out and, as you, especially now, like mine, are 24, 21, and 19, and seeing them be productive, Because a lot of times you think that damn, I should have did more. I'm not this and I'm not this kind of dad. Maybe I should have been a different kind of dad. But when you look at them you're like I didn't do too damn bad, especially when you have other people tell you. That's when you know you did something right. When other people look at your kids and say, hey, y'all did a really good job. You know, I think my dad, my dad and some folks on my side of the family, especially my aunts, they say, hey, I want to let you and Sophie know I don't care what nobody say, everybody has issues, but y'all did a fantastic job with your children. That right there case.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, I'm like man that feels good.
Speaker 2:I'm like that feels really good, it's winning in life, yeah Well. So I want to dig deeper. So cooking, cleaning, taking care, that's like I'll call that self-care. What about, like, from an EQ, emotional intelligence perspective? What values like? Call it resilience. Or your dad said you got to be tough, like. What about, like how did he teach you hard work? Or how do they teach you hard work? Or how do they teach you empathy?
Speaker 1:they teach you empathy or um, because I know well for me the hard work part. I always saw the men work hard and I used to have I used to have this warp mentality that when I got married, you know my wife is not going to work because my grandmother never worked. You know my mom worked because she chose to work and I was like, well, I want to be in position and I want to be like my granddad. That's what the man should do. And I married a very strong-willed Jamaican woman that, regardless, even if I didn't want her to work, she's going to work regardless. It just is what it is. Yeah, that part is just going to happen.
Speaker 1:But I think some of the key things I mean Some of the key things, I mean seeing men do real things, case. I mean, like my dad's biggest thing is, hey, if the car needs to be serviced, you take care of that. That's your job, to make sure that it's Now. Some people may think that's a small thing, but that's a big thing. That was a huge value that he thought was important for me and my kids have been able to see that my wife probably couldn't even tell you how to take her car to the car dealership and get a service. That's just something that I like to do. I love being able to take care of and protect.
Speaker 1:And then seeing my granddad man and how he worked because he will work a full-time job and how he worked because he would work a full-time job, worked at the Navy Yard, then he had his own, he was a plumber and then he had a painting business. To see him come home, change clothes like this and just change gears and go right back into and my grandmother never wanted the kids, never wanted us as grandchildren. I was the oldest grandchild for 15 years, so to see that and see how that played out in life gave me the drive I'm like, okay, well, no, if he can work three and four jobs.
Speaker 1:I can work three or four jobs, or I can work one.
Speaker 1:now I can work one really good to make what he was making off that one. But he it also showed me like my dad's thing was hey, always have more than one thing on the iron. Because what if? Because nothing's promised we saw that with Luca the other night. We saw that with Luca the other night Nothing is promised. And he said whatever you do in life, my dad's biggest thing was give it 100 percent. He said, because if, if you're given some, if you have multiple irons on the fire, that's great, but make sure you can maintain the fire at each one at the same level. So that's how I kind of go through life, where anything that I do, if I'm going to be involved in it, and if I'm going to do it, and if I'm and if I'm going to show my son and show my girls how it should look, they're going to see me giving 100 percent all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, more is more is taught by them, watching them, by what we tell them.
Speaker 1:Yeah because they mean they emulate. I mean we're like a walking DVR to them. They definitely emulate.
Speaker 3:I'm like where'd you get that from?
Speaker 1:I'm like I saw you do it.
Speaker 3:I'm like that was years ago.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yeah, they recorded it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So it is. That's that mental DVR that goes on up there. Right Um so and you said your wife's name is Sophie. Yeah, yeah, sophia, but yeah, but we call her Sophie, yeah.
Speaker 2:OK, raising your kids what, what were, what were things that were really important to you both with your kids, like how would you want, like how you wanted them described versus how how they're they came out, like what was important to you both.
Speaker 1:So it's funny you say that. So the one thing that we have, she and I both have made sure that we've taught our oldest and now we're teaching the other two not so much my son, cause I don't think he's ready for that part yet. The girls yes, we're teaching them certain things, but when you're dating and you have that special someone, most people only touch the surface, the feel-good stuff, what makes them feel good in a relationship. But what happens when feel-good? If you base your relationship all on feel-good stuff, what's going to happen when stuff doesn't feel good? How are you going to react to it? So we teach them to have those hard conversations. Hey, my oldest daughter's boyfriend. His name is Peyton, so I said Kennedy ask him.
Speaker 1:I said what does he see? What is he like? As far as parenting, mom and I didn't have that conversation. We just had y'all and then just figured it out as we went along.
Speaker 1:Nobody knew parenting styles and my wife believed that kids aren't supposed to get a spanking. You're not supposed to raise your voice. You know at your children. They're little people. You're supposed to have a conversation with them. I'm like, if I keep telling you to do the same thing over and over and over, I'm going to spank your butt. And then if, if you get older and you're doing stuff and I got to keep telling you the same thing over and over and over, I am going to raise my voice.
Speaker 1:And just knowing those parenting styles and how you want to parent is very important in the beginning stages of your relationship because those may be deal breakers for you.
Speaker 1:So ask those questions when you get involved in a relationship. And I think that's the one thing that she and I have done really well from educating them on that part and then also educating them because the school system has not done it. Your kids can graduate at Magnum Cum Laude and do not know how to balance a financial sheet. So we've made sure that we've educated them, too, on finance and what you should do Always check your credit, what your credit score should be, how you should pay your bills, how you should look for, how you should be in between that 30% window and what does that mean and why is your credit score so important? So nobody taught us that. We learned that as we got older and through trial and error, so we took some of the things that we didn't learn, and no fault to our parents, but they did what they did based on what they had at that time, and now that we've evolved, now it's time for us to teach them hey, these are the things that you're going to run into.
Speaker 1:Be prepared, you know, do this, this and this. Start your checklist now. You know it's good that you want that, you want to play and you want to have some fun.
Speaker 2:But set some money aside at the same time. Yeah, saving is really, really important. My wife is really good at that. She was a. I mean I think we talked a little bit when I was growing up about my wife. That was like her superpower she brought to our marriage and that we've. She's done a fantastic job. Teaching my kids that about just you know understanding what a budget is Understanding. You know here's your money for this month. When it's gone, don't come ask for more.
Speaker 1:It's gone.
Speaker 2:Yep more.
Speaker 1:It's gone, yep, and. And you have to put yourself because, um, our kids hear us say, hey, um, babe, here's your allowance. And sophia say, well, babe, here's your allowance. Sometimes I go over on my allowance because my wife tells me she said wait a minute, you have too many damn hobbies. She said you like cigars, you like cognac, you like car stuff, do you like guns? I'm like, wait a minute, you got to pick one and all your stuff costs and I'm OK. So you do have to find a fine medium.
Speaker 1:And once you find that and I think it's good for your kids to see you and your wife have those conversations, because no marriage is perfect, right, and that's why so many families, when, when the parents do wind up getting a divorce, the kids are like I never knew anything was wrong. So we let them know like, hey, there are going to be days where mom doesn't like me and I don't like her, but that's still my home girl and I'm still her home boy. The love is still there. There's a difference because, again, people get married, I think, for the blitz and the glitz and glam behind it and they forget about the for better, for worse part. You know everybody, when stuff is good, just like in our industry case, when stuff is good and everybody's making money and there's recs on the board, everybody's happy.
Speaker 1:What happens when recs slow down and GP is low? I'm like wait a minute. I'm like hold on. It's the same thing in your marriage If you're not always going to have good days. And I think your kids granted, you don't need to go into full detail about everything that you may be dealing with, but I think it's healthy for them to see how you deal with conflict in a loving way and in a biblical way, and not that I'm trying to go down the whole biblical piece of it, but that's very important to us and our marriage and what we've developed as relationship and what parenting is and what our kids see. Because in order for me to be the spiritual leader of my household, that means I have to believe in my Lord and Savior, jesus Christ, in order to be the spiritual leader of my household. And am I perfect?
Speaker 1:No there's only one person. That was perfect. I am progressive sanctification and I just have been given the right woman to help me along this thing called life. To do it together.
Speaker 3:Hello everybody. My name is Craig Coe and I'm the Senior Vice President of Relationship Management for Beeline. For more than 20 years, we've been helping Fortune 1000 companies drive a competitive advantage with their external workforce. In fact, Beeline For more than 20 years, we've been helping Fortune 1000 companies drive a competitive advantage with their external workforce. In fact, beeline's history of first to market innovations has become today's industry standards. I get asked all the time what did Casey do for your organization? And I say this it's simple. The guy flat out gets it. Relationships matter. His down toto-earth presentation, his real-world experience apply to every area of our business. In fact, his book Win the Relationship and Not the Deal has become required reading for all new members of the global relationship management team. If you'd like to know more about me or about Beeline, please reach out to me on LinkedIn. And if you don't know Casey Jaycox, go to caseyjaycoxcom and learn more about how he can help your organization. Now let's get back to today's episode.
Speaker 2:Now, as I've got to know over this past year, we like to sing and dance in the Claytor family.
Speaker 1:Yes, we do.
Speaker 3:Just a tangent, yeah, that has always been like that man.
Speaker 1:That is always. That is our pastime.
Speaker 2:So I need to hear like, for maybe there's a mom or dad that's at home, that maybe they have a talented son or daughter that has that special voice that can you know light up a stage, Like you've been through that, If you want, maybe you want to tell a story about how you guys made it on. You might've made it on TV one day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's funny you say that. So we didn't even know Kennedy could sing like that. So we went fifth grade. It was fifth grade, she was doing a play and she picked the Whitney Houston song and when it got to her to sing, they couldn't get it to play for some reason. And so Kennedy took the mic and she said I can sing it, I can sing an acapella. And me and my wife looked at each other like can she do this? Have you heard her? I'm like no, have you heard her? So we're like, oh God, like what is this going to do? She killed it, killed it. And I'm not one of those parents that'll blow smoke and be like, oh, that's my kid, she killed. No, if she sucked, I'm going to tell her she sucked. She did phenomenal, dude. She did phenomenal. And then one thing led to another and then she started singing in school and then she sang all through high school. Then she was in choir. Funny enough, she got a vocal scholarship to go to OU. She originally started out going to OU and let me back up before we even get to OU. So there was a.
Speaker 1:We had a viral video that just took off. She was in the kitchen one day and she picked up a seasoning I've got to say salt and pepper just for it, right. She picked up the salt and pepper and she started singing an old school song and my wife was recording it and my wife uploaded it and it got millions of views. Then, all of a sudden, we got an email one day from this casting department and I'm like this is not real. So while my wife was talking, I was Googling the guy and the information and it was. He was from Showtime at the Apollo and I'm like I thought they canceled that show. I didn't even know that show still was on. So, yeah, they were bringing it back and Steve Harvey was the host and they flew us out to Chicago Not Chicago To New York and she got there.
Speaker 1:This was when she was 17. I think she was 17. And before we even got out there, fox 5 News came to the house and they interviewed her and her biggest thing was because they heard little clips and they said it was so amazing. She said that I'm not singing just because I want to win. I'm singing because I want to leave an impact on young women who have struggled with depression and anxiety. And I was like, oh my God, my heart was so full to hear her say that and it's funny how God can use something that you think that you want to keep a deep secret, and what I mean by that. So my oldest daughter attempted suicide when she was 13.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people will probably say why would he say that on the podcast? Well, there's so many young kids that are going through that same thing and if you don't talk about it and let people know that you can work through it and sometimes you can be. Most of the times people think, casey, that if you're going to have something that tragic happen in your household, oh well, there's abuse going on, mom and dad aren't together and all this other stuff. That's the first thing my daughter clarified. She said my mom and dad love each other. We go to church, we're a loving family. Do we have our issues? Yes, but some of the stuff that she was dealing with I didn't even know that she was dealing with.
Speaker 1:As a young girl going into those teenage stages, teenagers can be vicious to each other, especially the girls, especially the girls. Yeah, but she took a negative and turned it into a positive man and then got on a positive man and then got on. Um. So if I'm going into too much detail, I'll just say all those shows are for entertainment. Let me just say that I, I just I'll just keep it that way. But if you google her and pull her up, she goes by. Her stage name is casey clay, so it's k-a-c-i, which are her initials kennedy alexandra clader. So so that's where we got the name Casey Clay from.
Speaker 1:So you'll see the interview of Fox coming here talking to her. Then you'll see her performing and I must say, man, it is to be a parent and see her up on that stage and walk out on that stage and, as she sang, in case, to see your child get a standing ovation before the song is even over. I mean, because New York is hard anyway. Showtime at the Apollo is probably one of the hardest places to perform. So my heart is racing. I'm almost having an anxiety attack. My wife is over there, and then I forgot the girl's name, but she's. She used to be one of the one of the cheetah girls. She came over and she interviewed us and asked how was it? We were like, I mean, I'm yelling, I'm screaming at you. You thought I won the Superbowl, you know, proud dad moment. But, like she said her, her thing was to be able to use her voice to be able to show other young men and young women that are dealing with the same thing that it's okay, yep, and she touched so many people.
Speaker 3:Now, she didn't win.
Speaker 1:But social media went crazy. Social media went crazy after she didn't win because, you know, at Showtime at the Apollo you get called back out and then they put the kind of hands over you and the crowd yells for this person, that person. So everybody started yelling where is she, where is she, where is she. So that's why I said I'll just leave it, I'll leave it there. You can. You can look up the rest for yourself.
Speaker 1:But the fact that she did it, man, and to see her do that, that was a phenomenal feeling as a dad case phenomenal feeling well, I can't imagine.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean on a much smaller scale. I mean seeing. I've seen my kids like, excel in like the sport they've chose, and just seeing them work hard, put in the effort, go through the grind, go through the ups, the downs, and then see something positive happen. That's just like it's no better feeling in the world to see them, because they appreciate it, because they know how hard they worked because they know how hard I mean and it is so I I go even further.
Speaker 1:So when she auditioned at um, at ou we're, ou, we're in the lobby, they call her in. I asked her. I said hey, are you nervous? She said no. She said because it's. She said it's not about winning. She said I know. She said I know god. So my daughter's voice is literally a gift because none of us can sing.
Speaker 1:Nobody in the family can really sing. If my mother, if my mother-in-law, was on here, she would say the voice came from her side of the family. But nobody really can sing Right More or less. Nobody really can sing right More or less. And Kennedy has the kind of voice where most people go through courses to be able to do the notes that she can hit and she can automatically hit it. So when she did her audition for OU, they said hey, what genre of music do you want to sing? And she said, well, what do you want me to sing? And they said, well, do you have anything particularly that you like? She said I like country, I like hip hop, I like R&B, you know, I like gospel. So they gave her a couple different selections.
Speaker 3:They wouldn't let us stay in.
Speaker 1:We were sitting in the hallway but I could hear it and she did this one country song. I'm like damn, I don't even know what that is. My wife knew what it was. But to hear her do that and then to watch her sing opera in Italian, and then it was phenomenal. The only reason she left OU is because, I think, the path that they wanted to keep her on, they wanted her to only do classical music and she wanted a wide variety of music to she wanted to do. She wanted a wide variety of music to be able to do, not just classical music. But I'm very well, dude, I'm very well that that is all the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that, that is all the wife. I'm just along for the ride, man.
Speaker 2:What Um? That's awesome and I'll make sure that's linked in the show notes so people can check out your daughter's amazing voice. I've seen her. I'm glad you shared that with me. I didn't know that when we first met, but I know you shared that recently and so it's like I was like and when I watched I was like man, she's got some pipes, she can sing?
Speaker 1:yeah, she can, she's gifted man and it's um, don't know how and and like to this day, like if you ask her, she still loves to sing. But I think from that piece of the entertainment part of it that killed it. Because she said if I sing now, I sing because God has called me to sing. She said I'm not singing for entertainment, I'm not singing to get rich. She said I know I have a gift, so if I want to do something with it, the gift is still there. The gift hasn't been taken away from her. I'm like, okay, no pressure from me, no pressure, I'll support you, whichever way you want to go.
Speaker 2:Well, I appreciate you sharing. I mean, obviously that was a tough time. We don't need to get into it, but like there's people that deal with anxiety and depression every day I mean I've had it in my family I think it's one of those things. If you don't, if you haven't experienced it, it's kind of hard to have empathy again. Curiosity you know something that's super important to me. You know asking questions, trying to really instruct how people are doing.
Speaker 1:Don't take it surface level ask those second and third follow-up questions like are you sure tell me exactly, tell me more you don't tell me more, or why did?
Speaker 2:this happen yeah, why did this happen and I think and I think re using curiosity without judgment so people, people feel safe to like, want to communicate, and I hope that there's. You know if there's someone out there listening today that's going through a tough time, know that there there is positivity that can come from these difficult times and there's, obviously there's. There's well, it's therapy, there's help. There's you, there's groups people can get in touch with.
Speaker 1:We'll make sure I got to tell you real quick so I won't forget the when you talk about how something like this can impact other people. So I'm gonna try to tell the story without getting upset, but it's so. Blue Cross, Blue Shield, Louisiana, used to be a client of mine and we're all really good friends. They're down in Baton Rouge so they keep an eye out for my youngest daughter now. But when Kennedy was on TV, one of my client's daughters watched her and didn't realize that that was my daughter until the mom saw me on TV and said oh that's Kenny, I know him.
Speaker 1:That's his daughter.
Speaker 1:So she said you think you can call him and I could meet his daughter. So she called me and said, hey, my daughter would be honored if Kennedy would talk to her. So they talked, they had a conversation. So she knew her as Casey, not Kennedy, she knew her as Casey. So her daughter was going through a very difficult time at the moment.
Speaker 1:And having the conversation with my daughter and how the things that she went through and the help that she got and having loving parents and being able to talk through certain situations and knowing that it's okay to come and talk situations and knowing that it's okay to come and talk, that meant to see that little girl and to hear my daughter talk to her and know that you can make a difference with one, with one. I don't mind I was, my heart was full. I mean, even to this day, like even when I, when I talk, when I talked to Bridget and we have this conversation. It is the. It's a touching moment, man. It is a very touching moment to know that you can make an impact on somebody when you don't even realize that you're making an impact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I mean, that's why I started this thing six years ago. I don't know who listens. Every episodes I get some more people listen to, some some don't. I don't know why, what, what happens. And you know I, I people think I'm joking, but I maybe a little bit but also serious. Like I, I do this for selfish, free therapy, so I can constantly be working on to be the best dad I can be, um to get men to open up and talk, which you've done a great job today. It's you know the more that we, that's the hardest thing to do, too, to get men to open up.
Speaker 2:It is and it's like, but once people realize that vulnerability is a strength, you don't have to be perfect. You can ask for help, um, but when you try to do it all by yourself and let your ego stand in front of you, that's when you're not. No one's gonna be their best, because it's false confidence.
Speaker 1:False, false and case not. And I will say this. Some people probably will get mad at me for saying it, but I'm going to be honest and you know me, I'll take it on the chin. But most black households that's taboo. You don't talk about your stuff, that goes on in your family. You know, because I got a lot of pushback, a lot of pushback when I talked about Kennedy's situation and when I talked about other, when I talked to small groups and when I got on a platform and talked about it.
Speaker 1:You know, at church I got a lot of pushback from folks saying you keep that. I'm like no, why, why, why keep it? I mean, and I think in Black culture and Black American culture I mean going to see a therapist or even having a counselor or being able to have these conversations like this. You haven't been taught that and you have to untrain those things that you learned as you were coming up if you're going to be a better dad and I think for me, untraining some of those learned behaviors because it's not a taught behavior, it's a learn behavior and once you untrain yourself with some of those things and open up because man, we're all human and we all hurt, we all have pains and the biggest thing is not sharing.
Speaker 2:Tell me where do you think you got the strength to do that. What To be able to share or Just be able to communicate more and not like kind of fall into that trap you've described.
Speaker 1:Man, well, a lot. It's sort of funny, though my wife would probably say, because I've always had that I don't give a F type of attitude, you know, because I always say what you eat, don't make me go to the bathroom, so you're going to judge.
Speaker 3:If you're going to judge me.
Speaker 1:You're going to judge me regardless. You know it doesn't make a difference. And my thing is I look at it like I needed help and when I did need the help and didn't really realize that I needed the help, when I did need the help and didn't really realize that I needed the help, I had a woman and a mom and people around me that were praying for me. They was like listen, it's OK and we're going to go with you and we're going to walk you through the process. So I went through four counselors before I got to the right one for and my guys, phenomenal. I mean I still go to him to this day, you know. And was that post, post military?
Speaker 2:And my guy's phenomenal I mean I still go to him to this day Was that post-military Yep?
Speaker 1:Yep, and then it turned in you go to him for military stuff and then it turns into parenting. Then it turns into your own personal baggage. Then it turns into well, why do you have so much stuff on the inside of you? Because we all bring baggage. Most people think you don't. Yes, why do you have so much stuff on the inside of you? Because we all bring baggage. Most people think you don't. Yes, you do. You just need to know.
Speaker 1:Once you start unpacking it, you'll be like, oh crap, I got a whole lot of baggage in here. And once you realize that you do have that baggage, that helps your marriage and it helps your relationship. Once you know how to unpack that and I think that is the saving grace, that having the kind of woman that I had, that pushed me that was like listen, I'm with you, I'm going to back you. There's nothing to be ashamed of. And the guys that I had around me at the time, they didn't. It wasn't a ego thing. They didn't say hey, you're soft, you're weak. Hell, they go now. They go now I mean because I've shown them that it's okay not to be okay as long as you're on your way to being okay.
Speaker 2:There's a Jelly Roll song about that.
Speaker 1:It is, it is, it is.
Speaker 3:I mean, and it makes a difference Case.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I said, the biggest thing is realizing that you're broken and I don't mean necessarily in a bad way.
Speaker 1:Right, we all are broken and you have to be honest enough with yourself to be like, hey, I'm struggling and most people only see somebody or talk about an issue when it's too late. So, versus being reactive, let's try to be proactive, Just like you teach us. The reason you and I met is because let's try to be proactive, Just like you teach us. The reason the reason you and I met is because you're teaching us to be proactive versus reactive. So you need to do your life the same way you're trying to do your your business.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, they run.
Speaker 1:They run hand in hand. They run hand in hand.
Speaker 2:Um, all right, dude, as we get ready to wrap up here, how well one I'm going to say thank you for your service, thank you I appreciate that, guys. We're not going to go into the because you've got triple secret clearance. We can't even I'm not even going to touch those waters, I'm not even going to even testify.
Speaker 3:Just leave it as thank you for your service.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. All the people that serve. It's a blessing for those that have not and I'm very grateful. I have a buddy that spent time overseas, multiple Iraq trips. I'm actually my wife and I are watching the show called Lioness right now on Paramount. Great show, really good Great show, great show, yeah. So it's like I can't even imagine that. But people that make those sacrifices, so I'm very grateful for our veterans. Okay, so actually, before I go into tier four, make sure people know how to connect with you. If you had to say one area of your dad game that, as you kind of reflect back, maybe even now, that maybe is not quite where you want it or not quite was where where it was, that you were always working hard or you continue to work hard to be that kind of better as the ultimate quarterback leader, your home, that might connect you even further with a dad's lesson from home. Tell me what, what comes to mind of an area your dad game that you can improve on communication and patience two, two key things.
Speaker 1:And not getting frustrated because what my counselor used to tell me. He said hey, your examples that you give your children are great, he said, but you also have to understand that they can't live their lives through the window of what you did, because they can't relate to how you grew up or the stuff that you saw, so to them it's just stories. It goes in one ear and out the other, he said. So you can't put an expectation on them. You need to be able to listen and be patient and nurture, which is hard, because I'm thinking, as a dad oh, I've given you this, this and this, and I'm telling you to do this. How come you're doing it this way?
Speaker 1:So, being able to, you know, set that part aside, because that's that's part of ego too. That's part of ego too, you know, and I think we all, as dads, you do have, we do have, we do have some expectations of our kids, most dads that are involved. If they tell you that they don't, they're lying, because we all have expectations, you know, of our kids and what we want them to do and how we want them to be and how we want people to look at them, but being able to set that aside and listen to them and be there regardless.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:That's good. Yeah, patience is something I work on all the time too, and I think expectations that's a good topic Because I think that's you know we've talked about. In the business world, you've got to have agreements with the expectations or the expectations are falsely set. But I think the expectations that we have can have our kids that are healthy, are honest, be a good worker, be a nice person, bring energy to the room, treat people the way you want to be treated. I think you know. Think sometimes where I see people get in trouble is having these expectations like, hey, I want my son to go beat LeBron. Well, he's 5'11". He's not going to go beat LeBron. He's not going to beat LeBron.
Speaker 1:I'm like no. He might be spud, but he won't beat LeBron. I'm like no.
Speaker 2:Okay, so if people want to learn more about Kenny, they want to connect with you. How can they learn more about you and the work you're doing at Tier 4?
Speaker 1:If you want to connect with me at Tier 4, feel free to take a look at our website, tier4groupcom. Or if you want to email me personally, you can email me at Kenny at Tier4Groupcom, and I'm on LinkedIn, and if you look me up by my name full name, kenneth Claytor connect to me.
Speaker 2:I'll connect to you on LinkedIn and we can communicate that way as well. Whatever works for you Cool, I will make sure people are can find you. Um, I'm hopeful that we touched on a lot of really, really good topics that I think will, um, hopefully, hit home for people and get people talking, and that's that's. What I always remind people is that you don't need a podcast to have conversations like these. It just requires a little patience and little curiosity and empathy, and you know I appreciate you giving me an hour today, brother, and learning more about you, thank you Case.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it, cause sometimes, like I said, you never get a chance to to be raw. Most of the things that we do nowadays. You have to be scripted and you can't say this and you can't say that, and you have to make sure that you say the right, you don't offend this person. But I think the way you're doing it, man, I think for man to man. I think men need to be people in general, but I think men too, dads need to see other dads that are being dads, not fathers.
Speaker 2:Anybody can be a father.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody can't be a dad, it's real easy to be a father, but when that dad kicks in there, you know it's a whole lot to being a dad man.
Speaker 2:It's a whole lot to come. It's a gift and a blessing. Yeah, it is. It really is All right. Now, my man, we go into what's called the lightning round. This is where I'm going to show you the effects of taking too many hits not bong hits, but football hits in college. Your job is to answer them as quickly as you can and, I hope, to get a giggle out of you.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to see what I got, what we got. We got the game face on. I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. I'm thinking, let me, let me, let me.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm ready I'm I'm locked in. I'm locked in, okay, uh, true or false? After watching the movie stripes, you enrolled in the us army. Negative, I just laughed at that one. Okay, um, tell me the the one song in your phone or the one genre of music in your phone that might shock your team at tier four, that you listen to hardcore hip-hop. Hardcore hip-hop. I don't. I don't think they'd be. David, you got some hip-hop in you. You think that would surprise them it might not surprise.
Speaker 1:Well, cause they know blaze. They know blaze, yeah, they know blaze, yeah. So it might not surprise them. But what you know, what would surprise them? Some of the my gospel selections that I have in there.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, okay, um uh. Favorite movie, favorite movie of all time is Godfather. Okay, if you and Sophia were taking a vacation right now no kids, just you and her where are you going?
Speaker 1:Vacation right now, I'm thinking about this too. I would say Turks and Caicos, or Barbados.
Speaker 2:Sounds nice. If I came to your house tonight for dinner, what would we have? Leftover spaghetti tonight? That sounds good, Leftover spaghetti. If there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title Death by Temptation Okay, Now Death by Temptation, Kenny. It's selling out everywhere. Every airport I travel to, I can't get my hands on it.
Speaker 2:It's gone, everybody's reading this thing, but so now Hollywood has found out about it. They're going to make a movie about death by temptation. You are now the casting director and need to know who's going to star you, and this could critically acclaimed hit new movie, my son will play me.
Speaker 1:That's that. That that's my, that's my. Yeah, that is my definitely lookalike. That's my mini me.
Speaker 2:Okay, I like it. And then, last and most important question Tell me two words that would describe Sophia.
Speaker 1:Words, only two. Phenomenal woman, yeah, phenomenal woman. Yep.
Speaker 2:There we go, lighting round's over. I laughed at my own joke, which means I lose. You get the dub Kenny. Congratulations, brother. It's been a blast getting to know you and your family. I love learning about everything. And again, thank you for your service, thank you for the hard work you do at Tier 4. You have an amazing team. Grateful, our lives have crossed our paths. I mean our lives. Yeah, paths have crossed and I'll make sure everybody you have links in the show notes so people can find you. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I just want to say thanks to everybody who continues to listen, Thank you for our sponsors, Thank you for you know, those that continue to leave comments on all the social platforms. Thank you for sharing an episode. If this episode spoke to you or you think it could speak to someone else, please share it. That really is the goal here, everybody. We're just trying to increase the power of vulnerability, humility and curiosity inside the home so dads can become better leaders, become big, better versions of themselves and inspire other men to do the same.
Speaker 1:So, kenny man, appreciate you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I'm honored to do. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:You bet bud. All right, take it easy, All right.