There's an App for Everything! Let's talk about Health Apps

In this episode of This Week in Health Tech, Jimmy and Vik focus on health apps. 
Jimmy and Vik comment about their favorite fitness and health tracking apps. 
They talk about fitness tracking devices including Apple Watch and Fitbit. 
Surprisingly, both Vik and Jimmy have the same favorite workout app! They also get into app security and privacy concerns and what to watch out for.

Transcript

spk_0:   0:01
Welcome to another episode of this weekend. Healthtech, where you get the latest and greatest news and everything related to health technology. I'm your host, Jimmy Kam. And of course, I'm accompanied by my partner in crime here, Big Patel. What's going on, brother?

spk_1:   0:16
It's going amazing. You know, this is the best time. I really look forward to this time with the weak man. It's like, OK, it's time to record our this week in health Tak podcast with Jimmy Kim, and it's just exciting. So I'm really excited for our our new episode today.

spk_0:   0:34
Yeah, our new episode and and look before we get into today's episode, I just want to give ah, quick, a quick shout out to our sponsor here today. This episode is sponsored by Tito Inc. A trust detect partner for health care organizations. For more information, please visit Tito Inc dot com. That's T i D o i n c dot com. Let's let's tell listeners what we're talking about today, because I think I think this is something that whether you are in the health tech industry or whether you're just a regular individual walking around and as long as you have a smartphone you probably be interested in. So when you want to tell the listeners a little bit about this,

spk_1:   1:10
should be a fun. Yeah, this would definitely be a fun episode. We are. We're going to jump into all kinds of health abs, whether it's your fitness abs, whether it's the abs that you use with your hospital or your physician, your clinic. But, yeah, let's let's talk about all the different acts that you use on your phone or maybe even grab APS. I don't know if anyone ever uses websites anymore, do you want?

spk_0:   1:39
And that's and that's the thing, right? Like I look, that's what I was literally just about to say, which is it seems like, Ugh, this seems like there's an app for everything, and I mean, today wasn't

spk_1:   1:49
out for everything. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:50
and we're gonna today we're gonna focus on on health and health technology, but But you're right. It seems like you're most of the people that the information we're getting from or the things that they're using, there's an app for that. Something that you can download something that you can purchase right, Like who is visiting websites lately? So

spk_1:   2:10
I think when it comes to finding information, we still probably use Google number one. It's still the number one source for information, right? I mean, any time you think something is wrong with your body, you are feeling you see some kind of bump somewhere. And you're like, Okay, I'm gonna google

spk_0:   2:30
this and then what's What's that site that it always takes you to? I

spk_1:   2:35
mean, it takes you to a few different things, like webmd dot com. Probably one, right? Yeah, that's a big one.

spk_0:   2:40
And find out like, man, I think I might have cancer.

spk_1:   2:42
Exactly. And you come across, you know, some kind of chat, you know, some kind of news group, and yeah. Oh, this is exactly what I had. What this guy's describing. You know, the bump looks just like that. Oh, great. Now I have cancer. I'm gonna die tomorrow, and usually that's not the case.

spk_0:   3:02
You're right. It's either one extreme of the other rights either. Like you have cancer or is just some bump. That means absolutely nothing. Right. But this visit visit your health professional. I'm just going to

spk_1:   3:15
ignore this. I think you know it'll be fine. Yeah, It should go away tomorrow, or if it doesn't go over in one week, it's fine. But anyways, again, you know, we're not trying to give anyone any health advice. But when it comes to finding information, I've seen it. Still, most of the time. The reality is it's still starts with Google, and then it goes to some of those big websites like we're empty that we mentioned other than finding information other than finding what this bump is about, or any of the other diseases or any kind of ailments that you wantto flying the information on. Other than that, I think you're right. Most of the time there's an app that you can download and have on your phone, especially when it comes to fitness. And I want to tell our listeners that a lot of lot of our listeners may not know this. I mean, you are an amazing part cast hose. Appreciate it. But I think you are an even better fitness instructor.

spk_0:   4:21
Oh, thank you. Thank you.

spk_1:   4:23
And you, you are. You actually trained me a couple times a week, which is amazing. Um, I am still nowhere, but I should be in terms

spk_0:   4:31
of You know what it takes? Just a couple more times things. Well, then we will probably get a little closer. So

spk_1:   4:40
tell me, I want to ask you I want to flip this. What kind of abs would you recommend? People who are trying to be fed. And, you know, again, they don't have two hours a day to work out. But maybe they have 15 30 minutes in a day to work out, or maybe a couple times a week. They wanna work out and they want to stay healthy. I mean, what kind of abs do you have? One here for order. What do you recommend people to download on that?

spk_0:   5:06
Absolutely. Look, I'm approving this since and say this first, I'm in terms of, like, fitness and health. I'm not. I wouldn't say that. I have a lot of APS on my phone, nor do I really recommend a lot of time. But I'm a big proponent on something like, I'm a big proponent on, um, you know, kind of like knowing your body being in tune with your body, But absolutely. I think there there is definitely a space for APS out there for to track your health and things like that. And I know some people are just very into that kind of stuff, and if they're into it, I'm all onboard. Like if they need to know how many steps there doing, they need to know what their sleep cycle is going. If that's what's gonna get the motivating, keep the motivating going, then I'm all for it. But that being said, it's not like I don't use APS. It's not like I don't use APS at all. The number one app that I always recommend to people thio start with is actually just a calorie tracking out. Really? Yeah, a calorie tracking up because I think that's something that, ah, that's something that we should track, even if it's only one time, even if it's only for one week, that somebody should be looking up and seeing how much they because no matter what somebody tells me and I run into this all the time Oh, uh, I know I know how much I eat. I know it's not that much or I don't think I'm going overboard. I don't think I'm undereating. I get everybody that starts with me that doesn't one on one with me, you know, and especially if they're trying to lose weight, get them to at least track what they're eating for one week, and I almost never have.

spk_1:   6:44
And it's cumbersome, right? I mean, tracking that stuff is really not easy.

spk_0:   6:49
Oh, it's it's a pain. It's a pain is a pain in the butt, for sure, but I think it gives. I think it gives people the information and at least that ah ha moment. They're like, Oh, my God, Look, I didn't realize I was having a glass of wine every day. I thought I was just doing it like once in a while. But it turns out I'm doing it every day, right? And you could only you got only let's say, like hide yourself for so long before before your natural habits. You know, start singing it or I go out to eat more than I think and things like that, and for me, I just I definitely uses an eye opener. Um, the other APS that I have found that people are using are things, too. Like what? The Fitbit up is a big one, right? Like you used to have a Fitbit, right?

spk_1:   7:34
I used to have a fit bid, but now I switched to the apple watch.

spk_0:   7:38
Okay, so you used apple watch and there's a Fitbit. There's the apple. Watch those air. Those are two big ones. And usually people like to track their the way they sleep and the number of steps they're taking right. One of the things that one of the things that I really like is also, if they're planning on using an office, how many calories there burning within a workout, right? Because the basic mathematical equation for something like that, at least from what I understand in terms of lapses, they take your age. They take your weight to take your heights, and then they use your heart rate to determine how hard you're working and they give you a get a guestimation or an estimation of how many calories you're burning. And again, that's not something that you need to do all the time, but just to be like Oh, I wonder how many but how many? Calories and burning and Jimmy's class, which on average is anywhere between 811 100 calories for the people that do truck and have

spk_1:   8:36
total. That's great.

spk_0:   8:37
Yeah, so that's that's around. And for me, it's like, Oh, that's great. Now I can tell people, Oh, it's 800 calories. It's gonna be burning in a class if you're working hard.

spk_1:   8:46
One of the reasons I mean, I don't know if this is true or not, but one of the reasons that I switch from Fitbit to the Apple Watch is I just felt like, Okay, Fitbit was tracking some of the things that you mentioned about my steps. The heart rate, if you know how walking running. Okay, that's great, right? But the things that Apple watch tracks, it's way more than that. And they have so many more sensors. So I do notice that in my workouts it actually tracks my heart rate and the way I moved like the different the movements of my body. Rather, just because we don't do the same, you know, easy workouts in terms of its not just biking running, or so I think. Overall, I find it the data that I'm getting out of the apple healthmap, the tracking that it does. It's way more in depth than it bit.

spk_0:   9:44
You know, the one the one app that I would really love to see and again going back to tracking calorie tracking is why don't you tell me if it's feasible or not? But it be great if we could do something where, um, I could just take a photo of my food and then it'll tell me how many calories that is that that ever you think they'll ever be possible?

spk_1:   10:07
I think I have seen APS in the aft store that advertised the same, but over those. Yeah, okay. I mean, they promised that maybe they can, You know, you take exactly what you're describing. You take a photo, and then they tell you approximately how many calories that is. But I don't know, I didn't download. I don't believe that that's actually possible. Um, but that's good to know. I mean, because I have never actually thought about counting my calories and tracking what I'm eating. What I'm drinking. I mean, overall, I feel like I'm pretty good in terms off staying. How?

spk_0:   10:43
But he says that that's what everybody says. That's what everybody says until they do it. So, uh, if you're asking me what my number one recommendation is definitely if you just put in, like, calorie tracker, any of the top three, they're going to come out. They're gonna come up, though. Any one of those will do you well, do you? Justice done. And, um, you know what a nap and up that I really like if in terms of like, an exercise app is the Is the Nike? Yeah, like, I really I really like the Nike app in terms of the way they show the exercise is the way The way they do the timing for you, Probably probably one of the best out there. Very big app as well. Um, And then also they have that running out, which is a seperate app. Also a very good up maps your runs, tells you how fast you're going. I think those are all informations that that

spk_1:   11:31
I love the Nike training. Do

spk_0:   11:33
you do you

spk_1:   11:33
have before I use it? Actually, whenever I'm not working out with you, So if I'm home and I feel like okay, you know, I need to get a workout in Nike. Training app is one of the best steps. Like you said. I mean, they have yoga. They have stretching exercises. They have ABS workout. I mean, anything you want and most of the most off the exercise that they have, you don't really need any equipment. So that's the vast part, right? Because who has a gym at home? I mean, I have few things, but I don't have a full blown gym at home. So really good, AB, what about? Have you heard about you? You definitely haven't heard about this one. The seven minute workout

spk_0:   12:17
told the seven minute workout. One is that still like number one of the number one workout? APS. I got to check that out, but, yeah, the seven minute workout is something that I've heard a lot about. And I think you and I, we've discussed this on a couple occasions on and, uh, I mean, it's it's trendy, it's trendy. It's easy. It's Ah, you know that seven minute number, like, wow, I can work out for seven minutes today and every day and I'll get to shape like there is some, like, science to back that up, but yeah, yeah, very basic. I think you're starting out. Go for it.

spk_1:   12:50
Exactly. I mean, or you know, when I use that app is when I'm traveling and I only have so much time in between, especially venom at conferences, for example. There's not a lot of time in between meeting people and going to the conference and this and that, and it's like, Okay, I can at least definitely find seven minutes in my hotel room, for example, and get a workout done. So it, Daddy, I find it useful, but otherwise I am probably beyond the base stage where I don't think I would get that much benefit out of the seven minute workout. Uh, but that's why Nike training app. It's pretty good because it has the easy medium. Yeah, and, you know,

spk_0:   13:40
and it's beautifully done, like in terms of the interface And, uh, the people that on there showing the movies all correct form. I think you could even, like, check out the different angles. But, you know, kind of kind of talking about this and and I I think for me anyways, this is always on the back of my mind on I think, on anything that we're gonna be talking about today and all the very saps, which is the information that he zaps collect and what what they do with it. I mean, I wouldn't say I'm a conspiracy theory. ISS arrest You know, if that if that's the word, but that always concerns me a little bit like, you know, like for something like, Let's say Apple, right, you're wearing that all the time. It's tracking your steps. It's probably it's tracking where you're going, you're locations and all that stuff like that. Like Are you ever

spk_1:   14:27
will they have to. I mean, they are measuring all your staff's. I mean, they definitely

spk_0:   14:33
Are you not concerned about that at

spk_1:   14:35
all? Let me ask you, what are you concerned about? In terms off? Are they going to use your fitness level to sail Thio the insurance companies in terms of OK, this guy, based on what we are collecting, they he doesn't seem to be ready healthy. And if these sell this data to insurance companies, maybe they can use that data somehow to deny them and insurance. If you go back to our previous podcast where we had dentists on for the security, the health security podcast, I mean, he definitely would would think that Yeah, I know they would, you know, all the data that's being collected, it's probably not the best, because again, you could end up in a situation where somehow that data ended up with insurance companies and they can use their processing powers to determine kind of approximately okay, based on the geo location and in the age and this, all that data is I get that must be Jimmy.

spk_0:   15:39
Well, you know what? Truthfully, I was we're not concerned about, like, the whole insurance or getting loans or anything like that. Until I spoke until we spoke with Dennis and I was like, Oh, my goodness, like they would do something like that or that could be a possibility. It was just more so. Ah, it was yeah.

spk_1:   16:01
And in that case, I mean, we were actually everywhere. We were talking about Google in one of the big health system where they are dinner too. Not just on, you know, for the business side of things for using the e mails and Google dogs and all that stuff. But would you not use these abs just because you think that might be a chance that they're collecting this data and it may somehow end up not working out well for me. I mean, I don't know.

spk_0:   16:35
Yes, in a very short answer. Yes, but at the same time, I think I think as soon as I say as soon as I say yes to any of these APS, they're tracking like I haven't. I haven't iPhone, I'm for sure. Like whether I have the all those little things off and, you know, notifications off and location off as soon as I turned on like maps. Like they know where I am. They know where I'm going, right? I don't know. Like, I just I guess I could just find that a little. Ah, it's a little creepy. And in the back of my mind, it's always like, What are they gonna do with this information? Then I guess maybe not so much. Not so much the the health APs or the fitness APS. They're they're on there because they are also when they collect this information, they are also trying to make the apse better. Right?

spk_1:   17:23
So hold on. Actually, I think it's the other way. I think we should be more careful about which APS you use. So one of the things is I never download any amped, and I feel like it doesn't look from a trustworthy source, right? So I always make sure that it's an app that has so many downloads, has a good rating. Has, ah, developer name that I can recognize, And I think those are some of the things we should. You know that again. It's a little bit of tension to our discussion about just focusing on the health taps. But I think it is. It is actually a good point to make that don't just download any app just because it advertises something. And, you know, we were just talking about calories. For example. I think you should definitely pay some attention on who made the app. I mean again. You know, not everybody knows all the developer names and what not? But one thing you can do is, if you don't know a whole. If you don't have the knowledge about the different developers and what not? Then that's fine. Just pay a little bit attention on how many downloads the APP has. What kind of raiding the APP has. You know, look at some of the reviews because a lot of the reviews will tell you if there are issues with the APS, because I actually feel like that's probably where the data leaks can happen if you don't know who some of these developers are. But I for some reason I trust Apple and Google a little bit more than I should, and I just feel like they have the processing power to. Even if they sell the data, they will sell the data or share the data. I should say in such a way that it's not really go. It's not really going to go down to the personal level off identifying and saying Hey, here's Jimmy Kim And here's all his personal data and his health record and is performance and you know how much he eats and drinks. I really don't think I really don't expect that from Google or Apple.

spk_0:   19:41
And I guess talking, staying on the topic of the security of it like, Do you Do you know, do you know if security's a very high thing in in terms of app? So let's say, for example, I purchased in out right then they're gonna have, like, the most likely gonna probably have my credit card information or if I if I purchase little add ons and apple, for example, one of one of the calor tracking maps that I have is it's free and it's free to use. But then, for the little ad on features that they have if you want to be like a silver member and I'll give you you know, all this other data, if you're a gold member, will give you even more information. They must have a security thing in place, right? I hope I

spk_1:   20:24
don't know. Huh? I don't know what those are those abs. What does some of the small lapse do in terms of security and how they store that information? But this is there. If you have a chance off Ping And obviously now, with Apple Pay and Google pay and Samsung pay, it's actually really good that we don't have to take out our credit card and paid to the other ab developers directly, right? Like before, Just even if you 23 years ago, you could you when you pay within the app, um, you actually have to sometimes take out your credit card and make payments and what not, But now even the in app purchases are through ample paying.

spk_0:   21:14
So Vic. So basically what you're saying is that if there's an in APP purchase, Apple pretty much acts as the middleman. Is that Is that kind of like what you're saying?

spk_1:   21:23
That's exactly

spk_0:   21:24
okay. So it makes it makes it a little safer, at least as a consumer to go out. I heard something, and then I have a little bit more since security that something like, um, somewhat protective

spk_1:   21:37
or you're not giving that information to 50 different people, right or 50 different APS. You're only giving it to Apple, so reducing your risk by only giving the information to Apple or Google or Samsung instead of giving it to whoever that app developer is. Who knows where,

spk_0:   21:58
and maybe it seems like we're going. We're kind of going backwards, but it's actually kind of nice. So we have the we have, like this fitness app that lives on, let's say, the Apple App store, Google store or anything like that. But before it gets there, I'm going to assume that it must go through like some screening process on apples and or Google's and like I just can't go out and be like, Oh, I'm gonna make this out. And I'm gonna now sell it on the apple store.

spk_1:   22:27
No, that's exactly it. I mean, apple especially, and even Google, both of whom have a very stringent process off testing your app, validating your ab. But at the same time, you know, there's still there's millions of APS, right? So at the end of the day, the APP made is according to the standards, and sure of that's fine. But what happens behind the scenes? There's no way. There's no guarantee that Google and Apple can keep up what they do with your data. Once the APP has the data, I mean, they can have the legal disclaimers and everything that you agreed to. But why, you know that that's what I'm saying. Just just take a look at the abs that have better ratings than others and at least has so many 100,000 downloads don't just download an app that only has 510 downloads, and then, you know, you're you might be taking a risk.

spk_0:   23:28
Well, you know, for me, the fitness APS and the health APs Kala wraps like I'm I'm not so concerned about those in terms of like, I guess, information like I am but what I'm really concerned about. And again, we touched on this when we were talking with Dennis on a previous episode, which was I recently signed up without a new idea. New ah, have a new general practitioner, a new GP taking care of me, a new doctor. And the very first thing that he told me was Okay, now that you're part of this clinic, you now have access to this app, and he will put all my information on there. And that's because that's where the information gonna lie anyway. So it's just a matter of whether I I sign up for it. I don't sign up for it and and again, kind of going along lines of like, for me, it's my concern is okay, So someone goes and hacks into hacks into the database of the system and now has all this information about me like including, like where I live and all that stuff like that I don't know that that's a little concerning for me.

spk_1:   24:34
No, that is concerning. But most off the h ours today in the hospitals and in the clinics they all have a patient portal, right? And the patient portal is what you're talking about. Mayor, you can access your medical record, you can access your lab test your radiology test results. And I think that's fine, because most of the h ours there's only so many big ones. Um, because in the last few years, a lot of the smaller ones they actually got bought out or they ran out of business and lot. A lot of it had to do with the meaningful use requirements that Obama care had put in place. So all these big e h. Ours. I mean those patient portals. If you're talking about the epic my chart or the Certner Patient portal or the meditate patient portal, they all have obviously a lab app that you can access to a browser and then some of them. They also have a mobile app that you can download and install on your phones. But I that's fine, but the bigger the deal. I think that the issue there is because all these different th ours they don't talk to each other. If you go from one clinic to the other for any reason Now, you have to download another app and and some of your information maybe in this new app, and some of the information will be in the old app. It doesn't transfer over easily, so that's a big issue.

spk_0:   26:15
I totally hear you on that. I didn't even that didn't even cross my mind. But that is true. Well, let's say I I always seem to want to go see this. Doctor's is too far away from me and I go to another clinic and I get another one. Then what happens to all that information?

spk_1:   26:29
You You have to give them that information again. I mean, they made they made transfer your obviously your medical record over. And that is something in place now, especially in us, where you can actually syndrome your full medical records electronically to the other provider. So it's called the continued E of Care document, and this document contains your full medical record, and then the other doctor can actually receive this record in their HR, and then they can attach it to your profile. So they didn't really have to manually get the physical medical record into their office and type it all in. So That's a good thing. I mean, that is in place. How many people actually use it? That's a whole. Another question. Um, I mean, I wish everyone actually used it, but the reality is that it's not very easy. Lot of times. And the other thing is, it's not. Sometimes they may have the addresses. It's called the direct address. It's kind of like an email, but it's not. It looks like an e mail, maybe, um um, but it's not an email. It's called a direct address. And so few. Your GP wants to send your medical records to a specialist in there. The HR. They can put in your specialist direct address, and then they can send the medical record to them. And that's great. That's amazing. But it's a little bit of convoluted process, and you need to know the other person's director address. If you don't have that address, then you know it's not very easy to find their address that there are some directors out there. But it is. Yeah, it's not as easy as Googling someone's direct address.

spk_0:   28:18
And look, you've you you're you're in the game of within the health industry for me this is this all seems very brand new like is this feature that these doctors that my doctor is now using is this? Ah, is this relatively new or has been around for years and years? And I just I just might know it was just, I guess, part of the inspiration of things, right?

spk_1:   28:42
No, it is relatively new. It is in the last three years now in Canada, it is still probably not as used as frequently as in us. And again, it's also, you know, it's because of that mandate that Obama care put in place that you need to have. You need to have the ability to send the medical record electronically, and you need to have certain percentage off medical records transferred electronically. You have to show us that you actually do that. So that's that's great. I mean, that was a great byproduct of the whole Obamacare,

spk_0:   29:20
right? So for you, do you like, where do you where do for see? Something like this is Is this like as as as it started growing in Canada and it's startinto clearly grow. And in the United States and all over North America, I imagine all over the world eventually. Are you thinking that there's going to be, like, hundreds of different, you know, APS competing against each other, and then eventually they'll be like the three that come up with the five that are that are just widely used? Or do you think forever like these? These health clinics and things like that will be okay. You know what? We're gonna We're gonna stick to Jimmy Cam's Medical happened This clinics now, using Vic Patel's Vic Patel's apelike. Do you think there'll be a rise in in the top three? Top five?

spk_1:   30:03
No, I don't think there will be a rise in top to your top five. Interesting. That's yeah, that's a great question. And the reason is, think about how many abs do we have in finance. There's no talk to your top five. I mean, of course, you have your bank app that you use, but there's so many APS that people have, and I always find out new ones from my friends. Hey, this is the new one that I'm using to track my finances, and it's cool because it has distance in this, and I think that's what's going to happen in health care. That is a new health standard fire that's actually going to allow a lot of these hell tabs to plug in to the e h ours and extract information a lot more easier than it's being done today. And this is the reason I think we are going to have a lot more mobile labs going forward, that patients are going to walk in and say, Hey, this is an app that I'm using to manage my health record or this is the app that I'm using That's with my fitness instructor and I need to be able to access my medical records so that my fitness instructor can see certain part of that information, obviously not all of it. But it will help him or her to manage my house better, right? And this standard is actually so most of the H ours and again, going this is through the Meaningful Years Act. You have to have an A P I access within your e h r. So that any app can any validated an approved app, I should say can connect and get information out of the E H R. Through the A P. I right, And this could be either accessing your your lab information, your lab tests or whether it's your vitals or anything, any of your health information. And right now it's It's Maur uni directional in terms of getting information out. But I think eventually the AP eyes will be used more and more so that the information we go back into the ear char's easily as well. I mean, think about it like home. Think about the things that people use in homes to monitor. For example, if you're diabetic or what you know, or your blood sugar monitors that you may have at home and it's constantly monitoring and it may send the data back into the HR. So I think, because off the A p I access and this is something that we actually working with a lot of our clients with on setting up the P I's, whether it's on prim or whether it's in the cloud through Google or Amazon or Microsoft, we are going to see an explosion in the number of hell taps. And I think most of the health systems should definitely because think about it if I'm going to ah, health system that actually has in a P I that would allow my app to connect with my medical record and get that information out. I wouldn't I wouldn't I prefer that clinic with that hospital over a clinic or a hospital. That actually makes it really difficult for me to get my information,

spk_0:   33:28
right. No, I hear what you're saying. You you're gonna go with convenience, especially when it comes to your own your own personal health, right?

spk_1:   33:35
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, convenience and Maura and Maura. I mean, I think everybody obviously uses that phone. But the people who have grown up using an iPhone or a Samsung or any of the smartphones as they get older, they're going to expect their health information on their phones. I mean, you and I, we may still be okay with not having that information on our phone. And we know we may log into all that portal, for example, but I think convenience is going to become a huge commodity, and I think every health system should make sure that they have a p i access available for their patients,

spk_0:   34:18
you know? And I also feel that even with even with me even being in the in the fitness world, I'm always constantly thinking, Okay, I should have a nap or something, right? Like almost like when I when I first started, my business was okay. I need a website. I don't know why I need a website, but I need it to feel the jet or two Did the service to service My, my, my clients, and and now one thing. Now we think, like, okay would be nice if I had my eye look at, You know, I can't help, but I can't help to compare myself to my competitors, I think. Oh, man, they got They got their app going on and like, they got their community in there and like, that's awesome. But, you know, I guess kind of staying with that theme of Like what? I would like to do it in the future. Like, where do you see that? Where do you see the future of these? These health aps like you've already kind of touched upon it. Like, where? Where do you Where do you continue to see? Like, where do you think a little and end up like 5 10 20 years from now? And what's something that you would like to see happen? Whether whether or not it happens or not,

spk_1:   35:18
I think in the future we will be constantly be monitored. Bye APS. And this is a running joke between me and a couple other people that we will have an embedded device in our body that's going to monitor us constantly. So it's going to pick, pick up black in your stuff. Yeah. And the reason is, right now we deal with things that happened after the fact right most of the times. And like we're talking about the bump in the very beginning of the episode. And oh, I see this thing. What's going on? I'm gonna start cooling and then I'm gonna go to my doctor May be and what you know. But why not this have this device within your body that's constantly monitoring, And even before you see the bump, it's going to send you some kind of alert thing. Hey, I'm I'm noticing some chemical reactions that are not normal, and maybe you should go in, take a local, maybe get it checked up, you know, get it, get a lab test done, and hopefully your doctor will see an issue before it even becomes an issue. And that's what I so again, you know, you were talking about collecting data. Will have even Maur data collected on us. Think it will be for the better. And why not? I mean, if something keeps me if something alerts me before it becomes a bigger problem, sure collect the data. I mean, that's fine if it's going to help my health at the end of the day.

spk_0:   36:56
Okay. Well, uh, I'll see how they do. You let them for that. And you're gonna put that in me. That's it. Yeah, I'm ready. What? It and for me, I say all this, but the same time I realized I have to be, like, somewhat progressive in this as well, right? At least I really feel like I should should open my open myself up. And it's slow. It's slow going, but it's happening a little bit.

spk_1:   37:24
Well, think about our kids, right? I mean, they are really young, but I think in their case, most of the times they will probably have APS and, you know, again that would monitor them constantly and will probably alert their physicians without even going to the office. I mean, that should be the case in terms of OK, out. I shouldn't be waiting in your waiting room for for two hours just to see you for two minutes. I mean, most of the time, your appointment with your provider doesn't take more than 5 to 10 minutes. But you were there for three hours. I still don't understand that. And I think that's where that's what It's an advantage, right? I mean, it's fine. I mean, if it's monitoring you and if the at different APS are monitoring different parts of your body or if there is one app, that's that's monitoring the whole body, who knows, you know needs to be seen, but I'm all for it. Um, I rather not sit in that waiting room.

spk_0:   38:26
Hey, that that is something that you you and I, you and I, we can definitely weaken, definitely agree on. So listen, we we talked about a whole lot. We talked about fitness, APS we talked about we talked about like those medic medic elapse that are that I've been seeing a growing increase and where we're talking about the future things, and I guess. I mean, either way, that you look at their there's always gonna be some good. There's always gonna be some bad. And there's always gonna be some ugly, you know, all in all of this. Looks like I'll give you the give you the last words here. What, as we were wrapping up the show, is there? Is there anything else you will you want to say about about health? APS The future of it are where we are Because you you are in this world, right? Literally. You're you're in the heart of it.

spk_1:   39:10
Yeah, definitely. The number of APS, the number of hell taps is going to continue to rise. It's it's going to expand. And my advice to two people who are in health care people in health systems would be Just be ready for it, right? Make sure that you're each ours are connected. Make sure you have the means to provide that health Information. Two patients easily. Rather, it's to the AP eyes, for example. But it should be easier for ABS and whether it's a lab or a mobile app to be able to access the health information. And I'm really excited we are going to see some amazing health abs and believe it or not, I think our time off. Just going to a clinic just to a primary doctor, just for a quick little checkup for five or 10 minutes. That takes in reality 2 to 3 hours. I think those days are numbered in future. Most of the time your checkup will be done. Actually all the time constantly, and your providers will know when something's up and only then you will go and check it out.

spk_0:   40:29
That's it. That you heard it from the man himself. Those were his last words. And that's another week in this weekend. Healthtech. Thanks for joining us. Make sure you go out and you, you you press your double press, you triple press that subscribe button and so you don't miss another beating. You don't miss an episode. My name is Jimmy Kim and I am big hotel. Thanks for joining us, and we'll see you next week. Good bye. I think it was a good night. Switch it up, you said