Everything's Not Black & White

Multiple Truths Can Coexist

Brian and Lala Episode 58

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Can multiple truths coexist in one conversation? In this episode of Everything’s Not Black & White, hosts Lachandra and Brian sit down with Dr. Hoai Julie Pham, a PhD historian and CEO of Curiosity Based. From her journey as a Vietnamese refugee to her work helping global organizations, Julie explains why replacing judgment with curiosity is the ultimate leadership skill.

We dive into the "shades of gray" within the Vietnam War, exploring the South Vietnamese perspective that history books often leave out. Julie also breaks down her "Rubber Band Rule" for respect—learning how to stretch for others without hitting your breaking point. Whether you’re navigating workplace conflict or personal growth, this conversation is a masterclass in staying human in a divisive world.

Key Highlights:

  • The Rubber Band Rule: Understanding your personal limits for respect.
  • Coexisting Truths: Why "Liberation Day" and "The Day We Lost Our Country" are both real.
  • The Power of the Pause: Shifting from reacting to responding.
  • Self-Awareness: Why leadership is always an "inside job."


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