spk_0:   0:00
Welcome to the less stressed life podcast. This is your host, Krista Bigler. Private practice, Integrated nutritionist helping people across the U. S. Reverse digestive issues. Exuma and auto immunity via phone and video. Consult toe, learn more. Visit less stressed nutrition dot com Now onto the show. All right. Today we have Bridget Danner, who has been a licensed acupuncturist since 2004 and a certified functional diagnostic practitioner since 2015. After losing everything to toxic mold, Bridget now educates about toxins and coaches women on how to detoxify through a functional approach. So definitely some topics I love talking about. Welcome to the show, Bridget.

spk_1:   0:44
Hi, Krista. Thank for having me.

spk_0:   0:45
Yeah. So we were just talking off air about like, this Doesn't get talked about a lot, so it's good to bring some awareness to this topic. Correct?

spk_1:   0:54
Yeah, it's really great. And, you know, some people are gonna listen and be like, I don't think that applies to me. But, you know, honestly, I think that everyone is gonna have some suspicion come up like Oh, that Could this be happening to my cousin? You know what is this? Why my basement? It's so weird, like so I think I think it's really good and, uh, more common problem than people realize. So thank you for sharing it.

spk_0:   1:17
Yeah, it's a hugely common problem. Effects way, more people than you think. And it's silent, which is kind of a problem with it. Um, so But let's talk about you a little bit because you're very close to this topic. Can you give us a little bit of background on your history? Were you an acupuncturist first and then mold happened? Just walk us through that timeline a little bit,

spk_1:   1:34
Yeah. You know, there's been some interesting, full circle things in my life lately, So I went into natural medicine because I was a young environmentalist and I thought, Well, this is one way to impact the way people live, So I went into natural medicine, but then I got really immersed in the medicine. You know, the Chinese herbs and the acupuncture, And how do I help the ones back pain? And to be honest, some of the environmental stuff kind of went to the, you know, the back burner. I was also living in Portland, Oregon, where there's a lot of environmental awareness already. I just didn't feel like it was something I needed to talk about that terribly much. Ah, and then some years into my career, I don't know, like, 12 years into it. Um, I was sick. I would. So, you know, some of the things that kind of brought me to the diagnosis is I ended up, I had strep throat and I just didn't recover. And I was so tired, and I was, you know, trying to get I v therapy and do some things to, like, get back on track. And it was already super healthy habit sleep, being going to yoga, eating well, I just was like, you know, something is not right. I'm looking back on, and I think it was a factor for longer than I realized. But that was my tipping point. And I think that it is true that in every toxin stories, there is, like a tipping point where your body just is overwhelmed. So at that point, my body was overwhelming, and I was at the natural part of college and asking questions and getting these ivy therapies, and they asked me about my home and what had changed. So a couple things to change one. We had gotten a cat, so they were concerned about that. And then I said, Well, you know what? It's been raining really heavily, and we've had a couple wet spots in our basement. And Raceman is already feels kind of smelly and just like not the cleanest environment. Um, so they said, Well, you might want to check for mold And I mentioned it to my husband and he wanted to go for it. I frankly didn't Krista. I was like, I know enough to know like this is a whole heap of trouble. Um, but we tested and we came back with mold. At that point, we used a mold inspector who went around her house and just inspected the whole house for moisture and leeks and that kind of thing. But he also sampled the air and some drywall and did find some toxic mold. So that was sort of bio, say, the beginning of the end of the beginning. The beginning It meant a lot of changes in her house. A lot of work on my health, just a pretty big disruption. But in the end, like you can't cover your eyes up for it because it's a very potent neurotoxin carcinogen. I know it's it's just bad news. So, um, if you know, if you do suspect it, it's important to really learn about it and not try to save money on, like, kind of d i Y techniques because you really have to remove it carefully.

spk_0:   4:40
Yeah, so I can't wait for this question. Did you have to move or were you able to remedy the situation in your current home? So we

spk_1:   4:47
didn't end up moving, so I guess you could say we did both. And when we spent, we ended up spending. I can't remember the total, but, I mean at least $50,000 on the house, at least maybe was more like 70 or 80. Um, and, you know, maybe we could have moved back in because we really did a excellent job, you know, new starting new flooring, just like everything. Um, but I just don't think we we didn't feel comfortable there anymore, you know, just like any. Any risk that you know, we could move back in and buying furniture and then be sick again. It just didn't feel worth it Luckily, there's a housing boom going on. So it paid off for us. This it all happened. You know, if you use earlier when the market was so low, it would have been even more like financially, you know, traumatizing for us.

spk_0:   5:42
So then when you moved to a new house, did you take extra special care to do the inspection for mold? And then part two is bruise your family's health also suffering. So

spk_1:   5:53
not my son. I just have one son, and he was mostly not affected, although later I did test him for toxins in his urine and just have some. But he doesn't seem to have, you know, many if any symptoms. We can talk more about that later. My husband was affected, you know, Frankly, I think I was more affected than him because women women's physiology, I think, were complicated, and I think it just affected me in more ways than him. But he was also affected, which in a way was a blessing because a lot of spouses only one gets sick and the other one thinks they're crazy, which is a really rough situation. And a lot of these molds situations you know end in divorce because it's just so hard on them. So but getting back to your question, we ended up. We actually traveled for a couple months. My husband got a leave of absence from work. We went to Arizona and then, you know, did some other traveling just to kind of get away from a human environment. That was again, kind of my husband's idea. And then when we came back to Portland, we didn't want to buy. We did look into buying a condo, but I wouldn't really recommend to anyone listening. Who goes through this? You kind of don't want to rush into a permanent place because lots of places do have mold. So we ended up renting. Ah, new, newer construction townhouses about 10 years old. And, you know, mostly it was totally fine. But the downstairs room that was sort of by the garage like office room. We didn't feel right in there, so we ended up never using that room, which kind of sucked. We kind of used it for storage and stuff. Uh, it was so funny, Crystal. We ended up moving out of the town house. We had, like, a little yard sale. Hand up. Our neighbor was We told. We told her neighbor, like about the mold thing. And they're like, Oh, that's so funny Because the people who lived here before you moved in for the same reason. And I think they used that room, the store, they're moldy stuff, which, ironically, like we had Tonto, I you know, what are the odds? So I definitely hear from a lot of people with mold. It seems to kind of follow you around, but ultimately ended up after being in a townhouse like 10 months were like, We're gonna move to Arizona like we're just tired. We're, you know, we're still kind of thick. It was a super cold like snowy winner. And we're just like we're you know, we're done with this cock, this climate. We need a fresh start, and I think it was a really good decision.

spk_0:   8:28
Yeah, crazy. Okay, so that let's backtrack Thio. You know, basically, let's go to basics. So what is toxic mold?

spk_1:   8:38
Yeah, So there's a handful of species of mold that release mycotoxins. They're called that can be in your home, and then there's other moles that can be in foods that also release mycotoxins and maybe some other places that we can kind of concentrate on the home here. And I can't remember the names of all of them. But some of them are stacking bo trees, penicillin and aspirate Gillis those air a few, and those are kind of like the most common, I'd say. But there's a few more than that on you know why, why they exist in your home and why they're toxic and look good. Intel that because there's lots of species of old lots and lots of species, there's lots of nature. And if you go into the woods, you know the species of molds are balanced, you know, they're all everything in the woods is sort of fighting for survival, and you know that kind of thing. But in your hole, it's a little different. I just It's not a natural environment, So a couple things happened. One is you have building materials like drywall that are made of wood pulp. Is it? Maybe have, like, chemicals raid on them and and so they're susceptible to rot potentially when they're exposed to water, so water can happen from your you know, your sink slowly dripping or your bathtub not being feel right or, in our case, like our gutters were dripping wrong. And, um so we had some windows that weren't in Seoul, right? So you know most of it we didn't even see it was happening in the walls. Um, so basically, you have this unnatural environment that's warm and moist, and there's already these Maybe these molds species in the drywall, and they get fed from the water and the moisture and they grow, and there's really not a lot of like natural competition for them. So they're growing and colonizing, and they're releasing these micro toxins, which they release Maur like when they're spreading, which somebody's actually happens when things dry out. Um, so that's kind of the short of it. And really, what it's very important for people listening to know is it's not so much the mold. It's a problem as the mycotoxins. So I get so often the question will you know, why can't I just like, cut it out and move on? It's not that simple, because if it's spread toxins all over your clothing and your couches and your rugs, that stuff is pretty impossible. to remove. And then when you go to disturb the mold, when you try to remedy it, it's gonna try to spread right. You've shaken it up like you ever had a moldy orange or something and knocked it in. Releasing the little puffs right is little pops of the little puffs. They're going into the air and they're spreading. Ah, there's trying to spread spores so the mold can re populate somewhere else. It's also spreading the mycotoxins again. So this is a really important point and why it's not such a simple issue to remedy.

spk_0:   11:46
Yeah, my understanding is that there's, you know, so many species of mold. But for each type of toxic molders, um, hundreds of mycotoxins that can come from it, would you say That's true?

spk_1:   11:58
I don't think so. You know, it's pretty much won. The one is my understanding. Like one species of multiple Pratt. One unique mycotoxin is more my answer, and maybe it's like a little bit more than that. But I don't think it's hundreds of types of micro toxins that come from one golden lace, not what I've heard.

spk_0:   12:20
Yeah, interesting. It's funny how, like one a mold expert to another. I think that just speaks to the fact that sometimes we don't know enough about this, um, world, right? Maybe a little bit. So, um, the other thing that I had heard also from a different mold expert is that basically, if you've got moisture in a space for more than 24 hours, it's, you know, mold can just grow essentially. So, um, you know, do you think this affects you, You know, does Do you have something in your house that has gotten wet for more than 24 hours and state What type thing? Would you agree with that?

spk_1:   12:53
Well, I think that's a bit of a generalization to like. Right now, I live in the desert and it's a lot harder for multi grow. So, you know, when we moved in, you asked about the house like we wheat. You know, we checked out our house pretty carefully, but it turned out when it's stormed. We did have, like, a couple of windows that leaked, but it seems to just really dry up quickly where we are. It doesn't seem to be a big problem. Luckily, although I've have heard in Phoenix like there's older homes made of, um, cinder block that can be really moldy in the walls. But it's, you know, it's also, you know, indoor molds level are sorry, indoor humidity levels. And there's some other factors. So I don't think, like every single time that you you no say you come home to some kind of puddle that you're guaranteed to have a mold problem or toxic mold. Could mold start growing that fast? Yeah, I think that that makes sense. Sure. Um, and again, you do wantto take every water spill in your home. Seriously, you do want to move quickly. Um, I did a mold event after the floods in Houston, and one of my friend's homes got really flooded. And they did such a great job of really moving quickly, too. Throughout, let carpet cut out and throw out well went dry wall. And this is an important point because of climate change. There's gonna be more flooding. And you you know, you've got to get in there and respond quickly. Gotta put in fans, know it sound like it was a pretty human place where she was living. So you want to try to reduce that humidity. Um, so, yeah, I would I kind of agree with that, but I wouldn't say Like, it's always like every single time. You You're getting a problem.

spk_0:   14:47
Yeah, it's almost like we need disaster relief. Resource is for preventing mold issues because that kind of stuff is just is emergency. And so you don't always know how to prepare and respond to those things, so

spk_1:   14:59
no. Yeah, and I have it. I have all his recordings for free if people want to hear about it. You know, unfortunately, with with, um, tragedies, like way usually aren't totally prepared. But if you have some of this knowledge, you know, I don't know how she knew to do all these things. Maybe because, you know, there's a contractor in the family or something, but, um, yeah, if you have some sense of how to take care of your home, you know, to be honest, Krista, I was probably like a lot of people like I was like, my home is just about, like, paint, color and pillows. And, like, I didn't really think about the structure of the home. I don't know. I'm not that way anymore. You know the structure of your home is the most important thing. Ah, and you really have to think about it.

spk_0:   15:44
Yeah, so I would love to talk more about preventing mold, etcetera. But maybe we should help people understand if this relates to them. So let's talk about symptoms and maybe how Let's work with that mechanism of action, how the mole disrupts the body and, you know, overall, like, what are the outward symptoms you're going to see first?

spk_1:   16:03
So it's in. It's very it's very variable. There's a whole long list of symptoms like some people will get a neurological symptom as being their first symptom. Like you know, they can't. They can't walk correctly like they're losing function in their legs. Uhm, some people will just be I would say the most common ones are fatigue and brain fog. And the tricky part is, you know, those air common for probably all your patients are really pretty common. Ah, but I think if you're you know, those things aren't responding to having a clean diet, treating her dream lands or whatever. And it's just really persistent, like it was becoming for me, you know, that's kind of a red fly that there's maybe a toxic issue. So so the brain fall. The fatigue also couldn't be related to weight gain because, you know, a toxin that your body can't handle, so it can story this fat. It also makes a lot of inflammation in your body, so it could just be headaches. Um, you know, muscle pain, I The whole time I lived in that house, I had a higher degree of muscle pain than I should have had, and I didn't understand it. Um, and now it's, you know, it's not as much of an issue for me. So that's another one. It's certainly asthma breathing issues. Um, I had, like, a twitching eye. I had, like, a lot of swelling around my eyes. Um, let's see forgetfulness. But it's also related to some more serious conditions, like heart disease, um, cancers. Ah, it also is very, very involved in the gut. I think the chronic got issues that I also experienced in that home for 10 years were related to hold and a gun. I was like eating well and like trying to do the right things. But it gets just creates a lot of inflammation. Eso it disrupts that insomnia is another one hormone dis regulation. Ah, the main left.

spk_0:   18:12
Now that's tricky, because those do those symptoms are very common for other conditions as well. So just like you said, Um, yeah, so it's tricky because if you think about just the physiology, it's your body can't get rid of a toxin, and that really isn't limited to mold. There's many other environmental toxins that we have. So you know, it's all I guess. It makes sense why it's such kind of a A list that's that goes to different. Um, you know, that is so translatable to different consisted conditions as well. So, really, it's not crazy to think If you've got mold, I guess you're kind of talking about it. And maybe your experiences that slow onset, really slow onset. I wonder how quickly it can come on. If you get hit by toxic mold, maybe it depends on your overall bucket on the inside, like how full is your inflammatory bucket already, or how? How compromises your body about it already? Do you have feelings or thoughts about that? Um, Justin, how symptoms maybe can come on and be really weird. Weird on set. Maybe.

spk_1:   19:13
Yeah, sure. I do think it can have to do with your bucket like you said, Um, I'll tell a story about that. But also, it's your genetics, like one and four people. Their immune system can't tag them old toxins and figure out how to remove it properly. So that's a pretty high percentage, but still, like, I actually have still never gotten that gene tests. But I'm sure I am in that category, considering what happened. But mine was still kind of kind of slow on set. And then maybe, like you said, sort of a bucket issue like we had this extra flooding and I just hit my tipping point at that point in time. Um, but I wanted to share a story like I have ah, client who was also like a a nutritionist and like, you know, she's super healthy expert on, And she had had, um, a bunch of, like, you know, chronic viruses and really complicated stuff in her health history. What was doing a lot better and had moved to a new state and the new townhouse and started getting sec really quickly, like in the first week, you know, headaches and can't remember things and talk to the owner of the condo. And they're like, Oh, no, everything's fine And she just did some little like simple Petri dish tests that, um, grew mold like crazy, and I can't remember what else she did. But she was well aware of the mold issue, and she reacted like the first week she was there. So I think that's possible for sure. And you know where that have happened in a healthier person. It's hard to say, to be honest, like, you know, I think every case is a little different. I can also share. My sister in law had a bunch of papers and storage like um and then they were moving and going through it all. And there was mold in there, and

spk_0:   21:10
she was

spk_1:   21:10
really reacting like she couldn't go through the boxes. So that happened. You know, that came on really quick for her to, um, But I think there's also times were exposed, and we don't realize we just you know, the body hasn't recognized it as a threat, or I'm not entirely sure, you know, Maybe it's showing that the hostess strong. Or maybe it's just like the body hasn't seeing this kind of thing before, so it's just it's has not putting up a reaction yet. There's definitely an mole and mold a sicker, quicker theory like now if I'm exposed to mold, it's very fast. Whereas, like he said, Maybe for me in the beginning, it was slow onset, you know? Now it's like within minutes. I know if I'm in a moldy place, so you're bought. You know, my body knows mold really well how it mounts a strong reaction when it gets around it.

spk_0:   22:12
So with your sister, she had a quick onset. She's going through mouldy papers. What were the symptoms that she was experienced saying so quickly where she knew that was what she was reacting from?

spk_1:   22:21
I think she was saying just kind of headache and like disorientation, just like kind of feeling. I mean, it is like, you know, it's like it's a toxin, so sometimes you can feel I want to save drunk, but it's like an altered state. You know, some people leave and have kind of hallucinatory hallucinogenic states from old. It's like, you know, like people trip on mushrooms right, like it's it's also sort of a natural toxin. So, um, I think, yeah, I can be different from different people, but I would say some of the respiratory things, headaches, confusion. There's something called mold rage, which is very riel when we open up our storage unit after being away for those couple months, Maybe it was longer than that. Maybe it was, um, you know, I was raging like within minutes, like I was just completely off the rails, like for no, you know, not for any practical reason. So it's just like a lot of inflammation in your brain that can happen really quickly. So I think that can manifest this different things.

spk_0:   23:35
So if you are, if you do have to go through things because we have these experiences in life, like maybe you have to go through your grandma's stuff, maybe it is moldy as a precaution, Do you suggest? Is there like a certain mask people can use to try to avoid contact and exposure?

spk_1:   23:49
Well, you could do gloves. There is a mask. I'm forgetting the name, but there's like a mascot that I don't remember. It's like R D 70 year. I can't even remember But there's a mask that sort of rated for mold that you can use again. It's I don't None of these things are like perfect. You know, we bought like, bunny suits and we had masks and stuff. But then you're like, uncomfortable and like it's not perfect. But you can do a bunny suit and all that stuff. Um, at the minimum, when you're done, you should shower and wash your clothes and probably swear close like you know, your work clothes and that you're every day kind of close. Um, you know, you can ventilate the space you condemn fuse, um, essential oils in the space. Um, I'm a Joe tear persons I use on guard oil for that that can kind of tamp down the toxins in the moment. There's actually some pretty good studies about essential oils. Um, and mold. It's not a permanent solution, but it could just help you while you're in that space. Um, yeah, and we had many rounds of this, and I you know, I wish we had kind of minimized how many times we went through our stuff, but it was like we get rid of stuff and keep some and then realized it was still moldy and we get rid of war and it was just so silly. But it's just hard to like, get rid of everything. You know, it's it's just hard. And you do want to go through your grandmother stuff because there's some stuff in there you might really want to keep. So we have. I think we just have to Tubbs now off what we would labeled a sentimental, moldy stuff. And, uh, there's some things we kept it. I think that's frankly all we have left our former life practically, Um, but, yeah, there's gonna be some things that you might want to keep. Um and yeah, that's a great question. Take some precautions with the air quality and changing and showering, we could get into some of the supplements to you later if you want to take if you've been exposed,

spk_0:   25:50
um, well, offer we were talking about. You know, the tricky thing about this symptom list is that it's not different than a lot of other conditions. And so maybe that lends itself to a couple questions. The first might be, you know, offer. I was telling you about a story of, ah, friend that I have in their workplace. A lot of people are getting sick, and no one seems to know what the problem is. And it's just a little too coincidental. And we're talking about, you know, chemical versus mold exposure. Um, but in theory, the body still is dealing with those in a similar way or a different way. Do you think because it's coming in something the body doesn't want, so it's going to try to get rid of it? Correct. So it's again the bucket things

spk_1:   26:27
away, similar way. You know, every toxin is gonna affect, like organ systems a little differently, like some chemicals really affect the thyroid. And but yeah, like they're all gonna burn in the body, deliver and create inflammation. And I think Thio to address that question about like, which is it? You know, we're sick with a lot of things. It's just like they asked me, You know what's new in your home, right? Or what's new in your environment is environmental medicine. So we just installed wall the wall carpet. Well, there you go. You know, it's full of chemicals. Frankly, it's really dangerous stuff, and people can get really sick from that, Like seizures and authors of things. But, you know, for us what was new in our home All a cat in the wet basement. So you have to look at, like, what happened, and it might have been slower. Like you said, it could have been a slower onset. Um, but usually you can figure out something in the home. And if you can't, you could have it inspected. Or it could be in the workplace like you mentioned. One simple test that some practitioners do is just ask you to move out of the home for 10 days and see if you feel better when you're away and worse when you're back. Um, you know, we didn't really know we had mold, so we didn't exactly do that test. Um, but you could do that. Yeah, with lots of places that you suspect. I just let your body tell you because you're gonna maybe have that sicker, quicker reaction when you come back.

spk_0:   28:08
Yeah, for sure. That's a nice way to put it. Um, overall. So let's talk about testing and how you find out whether you have mold like, what are all of our options.

spk_1:   28:20
Yes, they're the ones in the home that I think our best. There's more than all mentioned, but I do think it's good to get an actual mold inspector who really knows how to look at the structure of your home and can run moisture readings is here. So if you own your home because if you own your home, you're gonna need to know what to do about fixing it, Um, and then another test I like. I actually use this mycotoxin dust test so it's is not testing for spores. It's testing for toxins, and you collects of dust from like, behind your fridge. And in various places you need kind of a lot of dust and the you send it in and they measure again. So this is why I wasn't sure about the hundreds of mycotoxins because they measure. I think it's sort of one for one mycotoxin associated with the spore, but maybe they just mention one because it's the most dangerous or something. Um, so I like that test because that's the one you know get a sense of like if there's toxins in the home, where is the mold inspector is gonna test for spores, which is still helpful.

spk_0:   29:30
What is this called?

spk_1:   29:32
Ah, the death test is by riel time labs. And I think it's called, Yeah, something like mycotoxin dust test or something like that. And you can buy

spk_0:   29:45
it

spk_1:   29:45
as a consumer. Um, and then the body. The one the test I would usually recommend to Ron is a urine test. Ah, that again, test for mycotoxins. And there's a little bit of procedure to do. Thio get ready for that test. Um, and I think you can run it by yourself. But frankly, like I do think you need a professional involved because even just interpreting the test is a little tricky. Um, it's sometimes it looks worse than it is. Um, and then you need to help to get it out of your body. So, you know, we help people with ordering it and interpreting it and making a protocol and all that, And that is by Great Plains lab. Um, and then what else? There's also a nasal test that I learned I was very happy to learn about when I was going through all this, which is a nasal swab test for something called Maar Khan's, which is, Ah, multiple antibiotic resistant staph infection you can have in your nose. And when you're immune, system is overwhelmed by molds. And possibly there's mold colonizing your nose, you can develop again another imbalance of this staff. In fact, it's chronic staph infection in your nose, which can turn around and reduced melatonin production in your body. Um, it's just kind of like another kind of chronic infection you can have in many people with mold have it. So that's a nasal swab that you do have to get through a practitioner. And, um, I think that's another good test to take.

spk_0:   31:26
Yeah. How prevalent do you think Mark cons is?

spk_1:   31:31
I don't know. That's a good question. E Yeah,

spk_0:   31:35
yeah. Hear more about it, and then I don't hear more about it. So, um, how did how did the does the process for improving your body? Um, or how does the treatment differ from mar Cons to a mold toxicity

spk_1:   31:49
Mark does is basically a local treatment, and you conduce like with the natural path you could do like, um, antibiotic spray is that they maybe give you oral antibiotics to I didn't go the antibiotic route. But to be honest, I don't know if I've gotten rid of my mark of yet. I need to retest. Ah, but there are also, like, probiotic, you know, sprays. And I We use the silver spray with, like, an herbal kind of tincture in it, um, in the nose. So it's usually more of like a local treatment for Marcon, but it is pretty stubborn, Which is why I actually did a part podcast on Marco owns. And you know, the doctor I talked to It's like, you know, it's just hard to get rid of, So Hee Hee often ends up going to the antibiotics.

spk_0:   32:36
Yeah. I wonder how often a doctor would know what Marcon says. I wonder if that's really hit. That is not a conversation. I've had this. Really?

spk_1:   32:45
No, I don't think so. I don't think so. At all. Yeah. You know, when I get that question Well, like, can I talk to my doctor about mold? Um, well, friend was asking me about her dad. She thought he had a multi car. She's like, Okay, here. He's gonna ask this doctor about running these tests, like good luck to you. Like I don't think it's gonna happen, but it's great to bring up because there needs to be awareness. And there are could be some doctors who do know about it because they've seen those cases before. But they have some special training or experience in it. You know, we do need to move these conversations into the mainstream. Um, button. And basically, no, I haven't heard anyone say that their conventional insurance based doctor, um, worked on them for mold or Marcon.

spk_0:   33:34
So bargains is really pathogen, right? Where is mold? I think about as toxin maybe, um, in Correct me if I'm wrong. So what do you do with toxic mold? You're trying to detoxify your removing the exposure than you're detoxifying. Let's talk about that.

spk_1:   33:50
Yeah, you definitely want to remove the exposure, and frankly, I think it can take quite a long time to get it out of your body. And some practitioners will say it's shorter, but I just think it's a very long process. I honestly don't know if it's possible to get 100% out of your body because they found it like in deep, deep tissue in the body, like in the jaw and like in the lung tissue. And you can do some local remedies like I've done a nebulizer for my lungs and stuff, but I Yeah, I wonder if you can get it entirely out, and those spores can actually colonize in the moisture of your body, which is pretty messed up. Um, but that being said, I think you can get most of it out of your body and you can regain your health. Um, so there needs to be probably some targeted treatment of the gut. Um, some targeted treatment of the nose, maybe target treatment of the lung tissue with a nebulizer, and then lots of systemic treatment with things like coffee enemas are glued if I on supplements using binders like charcoal ls and play. Um, I have benefited from using fish oil, magnesium. There's a supplement called Boss the title cooling that really helping, especially with, like, brain health. And and then, yeah, I've used a silver spray internally and in my nose. You know, I've done some different got healing protocols, probiotics, vitamin C R. If done. I mean, I've tried a lot of things. I'm trying to mostly mention the things that um felt like they moved the needle. For me, it's definitely a lot. I've also done ivy therapy. I've done ozone therapy. Um, I've done some calculation therapy, which was to intend to serve me. So there's there's things you can do, you know, at a natural past office is Well, um, yeah, I I honestly just think you just have to kind of keep Osan. I didn't mention Sean eyes really important. Um and you just kind of have to keep plugging away at it. And there's going to be bad days and it's gonna, you know, it's gonna take a while if you've been really seriously exposed, like I wasn't it. I think it's gonna take a while. Yeah, but it does get better.

spk_0:   36:13
Yeah, so it's good to have realistic expectations and then kind of something I heard you say is there's a lot of things that could be done, and it's nice to have an understanding of how these things work and how they could help and the length of time needed for certain things. I mean, it's nice to have a guide when possible, or that knows this thing, because it could feel really overwhelming um and I've kind of been in that place where I know how overwhelming that can feel. So I just mention that because I know just as you list that off, I know that that could feel a little raw, and there might be a good place to start, right?

spk_1:   36:44
Yeah. Yeah. Good place to start. I I honestly would say sauna is maybe my favorite easy place to start. And there's a lot of debate going on nowadays about which saunas best, uh, honestly, Just like it doesn't really matter. Like if you don't have any money houses full of old, Just go the one at your gym like it doesn't really matter that much. It let you know. Now I own asana, but you don't have to buy a sauna right off the bat.

spk_0:   37:15
Yeah, um I would agree with that because the sweating is the important part. And I will tell you a story, not like B. I hope this is a good story, but I will say that there must be a little quality difference. A TTE some point. And this is just, you know, just experiment. My sister in law came to visit and she went to her son in her own town, and she said she'll be at 130 degrees for 20 minutes and barely sweat. And then she comes to my Sana. She's at 100 and 20 degrees and five minutes. She's drenched in sweat. So that tells me that there must be a little bit of a difference in the goal. Is the sweat right? So in sometimes when you start something, you don't sweat as much right away. But yeah, Sana has a big deal. I recommend it to a lot of people for a lot of reasons. But it was a big deal for my own healing journey, which wasn't with toxic mold but was with toxins over. Also love, love, love, hospital, coleene as well and some of the other things, you know. Good. So, um, let's talk about really quick, um, negative side effects that can happen when removing toxins.

spk_1:   38:13
Yeah, so I'm a definitely a fan that you shouldn't feel horrible when you're removing toxins, but it's it's tricky because it's the hard Um, it could be like heart, you know, you do want to remove them, so you have to find the balance um, you know, says sometimes you might accidentally hit that point where you don't feel well. But I am my personal theory. I don't think you should have to feel ill. Basically, when you remove toxins, you know faster than you can process them. They'll be an inflammatory response called a Hertz reaction. And for me, that often manifest is like a 24 hour horrible headache, but could be different for different people you know, could be fatigue or diarrhea, brain fog or something like that. Um, so, yeah, I personally think it's okay to find the balance of, uh, you know what doesn't make you feel worse because you already don't feel well. So why do you want to feel worse for 24 hours? So, yeah, it's possible. A lot of the home remedies, you know, won't bring that up. But I think you know, I have heard people not even be able to tolerate Sana too. Well, in which case, you just don't stay in his long or you use less heat. Um, and then you work up to more,

spk_0:   39:41
more? Yeah. Um cool. So, Bridget, if someone is listening to this today and they're curious or they have found mold in their house or they want to do or they know they want to be a little more proactive. What would you suggest?

spk_1:   39:54
Um, yeah, probably the testing. And then I would maybe say just to start getting more knowledgeable. We have this, um, you know, mold week recordings that I think you're gonna share. One mistake we made was to move to hastily, like we definitely tried to ra mediator House too hastily with how understanding all the repercussions, but yeah, get knowledgeable, maybe look into getting some testing. And if there's something you could do, I don't know that's, like, really easy and obvious to I like to say it's a bathroom with mold. It's like a guest bathroom. Maybe, just don't go in there who don't keep the door closed. And don't go in there. Open the window or use a dehumidifier. So there's something you could do temporarily to just, you know, of a way to reduce the mold so you figure out how to fix it. That could be an option.

spk_0:   40:48
Got it. Okay. So, Bridget, where can people find you online?

spk_1:   40:53
Yeah, it's just my name. Bridget Danner dot com and outside of mold, we hope you have a a free gift on the main site about other some other toxic swamps you can do in your daily life. And we've got Yeah, we've got a blogger on Mark on. So there's lots of insulin. Aris, if you want to follow up on anything we talked about today

spk_0:   41:13
All right, Bridget? Well, thanks so much for sharing your journey. I know it's probably more common than people realize, but not always often talked about. So just bringing awareness of the topic is, um knowledge is power. So we thank you for your time.

spk_1:   41:28
Thank you.

spk_0:   41:29
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