No White Saviors Podcast

Who We Are I Introducing the Team

February 17, 2020 No White Saviors Season 1 Episode 1
No White Saviors Podcast
Who We Are I Introducing the Team
Show Notes Transcript

On today’s episode, the team introduces themselves, how they started and more about the work that they do. Wrapping up the intro episode with a little bit more about what listeners can expect during this first season.

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This is the Noid savior Port Custom poured biker So, Mama Africa,

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where if you're not uncomfortable, you're not listening.

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We never say No, wait, you just know you shouldn't be the year of the story.

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Today you are turning into the first ever know I save your podcast, where we hope to give you a better background about who we are as team members, who we are as an organization and what we hope you'll get out of this podcast for the first season. So we'll start with introducing ourselves. Olivia will start.

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My name is Olivia Lasso patients. I'm a social worker by profession, and I grew up from Ginger, a town that we often mission in the work that we do, and it's not. By coincidence, it's because Ginger has so many white people on it. He has always had so many white people. I grew up in Ginger and as a child there's so many things that I saw happen in Ginger Andi, even within our schools where we had what people come to ask, and our teachers asked us to sing for them and also the Children that I interacted with in school who had who used to tell me My auntie came from the U. S and their white. So I, as a child also had questions. But I didn't really have the answers but my imagination. I had so many things. How would a white woman be on out your black child off my color? So I had so many things. And also when I got into the Ngor, there was so much that I got to see happening and how we as Ugandans are treated in this sector and where our power actually ends. Oh, actually, don't even have that power and the privilege while walking around. Why people? So no white Saviours as an idea started out off so many questions that I personally hod on dhe when it came in the picture. It was an opportunity for me to begin addressing these things by getting back to my community. I'm telling them that everything white is not right and everything black is known bad and wrong. So I am on this team because of the passion that I have on because off the so many questions that have hard since I was a child. This is my time to get the absence on to get different ideas on people who have also grown in different environments on Dhe may have also experienced things that I did. So I am on this team because of the love that I have for this work on also getting to see that there's change in the wild and this change can be can come through Everyone's a four towards a common goal that we own here at the Noid saviors.

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So for those of you that do know, RJ Danger Danger is located in the eastern, the eastern part of the country. Along along the leg. It's very beautiful. And I guess it's wife. It's the reason us way So many white people love changer the community. How people are very hospitable, the water that green. So, yeah, just a clarification on where Ginger is. Thank you for the

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geography when B um, no, it's a really good lead in to my introduction because I also, um, was one of those white people that started in Ginger. And so I came for the first time to Jinja, Uganda, to volunteer in an orphanage for three months. And really, I grew up in that evangelical that white evangelical culture where missionaries and missions trips abroad were seen as the most sacrificial thing you could do. And so even, you know, my dad's side of the family were missionaries. I had that whole culture ingrained in me, and it was very much thought to be the best thing you could do. Not on Lee, you know, as a human being. But as a Christian following, you know, following Christ, his call are, you know, the biblical call and mandate to serve people around the world. So, you know, going from that mindset coming to Uganda, I really felt like this is the best thing I could be doing to get closer to God and to do what I was called to Dio. And so I went to school for social work. I got my bachelor's and master's in social work from Temple University in Philadelphia, and throughout that time of my education, I was also traveling back and forth to Uganda. During that whole time, I was encouraged by faculty at the university, which was a completely secular university, to do what I was doing to, you know, volunteer abroad in Uganda to start my own organization at the age of 23 called Abide Family Center and two. There was no question about that. So it wasn't just encouraged in the church. It was also encouraged by completely, you know, secular non religious entities like my academic institution. So I think throughout the last 10 years, over time I just started a question more and more why I was given the inherent trust and access that I was given to volunteer to start an organization. Um, why? I was praised without question from people back home that there was this instant and automatic praise for me going to be in Uganda and toe work in Uganda. Ah, praise That was very different than what I would have gotten if I just stayed in the U. S. To work as a social worker. But yes, so that's basically what, um, you know, brought me to the place of where we're at with no white Saviours was meeting Olivia, which she'll share more about in terms of how this how no white Saviours came to exist in the first place. But what got me here and why I'm passionate is seeing my own role seeing my own mistake seeing the mistakes of fellow white folks and foreigners here in Uganda and in other places. And just knowing that once we see it and understand the harm that we've caused even unintentionally, that we have a responsibility and a duty to hold ourselves accountable on Dhe, commit to doing better if we actually care about what our impact is. So next Wendy's gonna introduce

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herself. Hi, everyone. I'm not much of Mary Wendy, a k a lumbago nd. I have a degree in ethics and human rights from a carry university. So you could say I'm a human rights activist. I don't know how you'll be able to frame that. So what? Well, how do I join the Noid Saviors team? For me, joining the Noid Saviors team was my happy place, a place where I get to share the things I learned. The things are seen around me with, you know, people that are practical people that are passionate about seeing ethical change in everyday compositions that we have in AIDS communication, humanitarian aid in how people volunteer. Basically, the what motivated me is to see that conversations need to change from basically good intentions to saying Hey, I may be passionate about volunteering in Africa. May be passionate about volunteering, you know, on any other part of the continent. But is it just my passion? Oh, my passion needs to be informed by ethics. So, yeah, having conversations like that or wanting to infuse compositions like that in our everyday life and you know, is what inspired me to join the NOID TV is team. So

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next Olivia's gonna talk a little bit more and break down. How would know white Saviours even came to be, Um, she tells the story better than I could ever tell it. So let's hear it from Olivia in terms of how we even came to exist. Thank you,

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Kelsey. Um, people like asking us that question and how on no, I'd say they're started. And I think I I love to answer that back because anyone would love, even if it was me in your shoes. Would love to know how this great movement started on DDE. This is how it all started. No, it's Avery has actually started as a hash tag on instagram. And what give bath to this hash tag was the conversations that existed among the three of us Kelsey, me and a friend of South was in Finland cold Sharon and we had also all experienced life in Ginger. I was born in Ginger Sharon was also born in Ginger Kelsey lived in ginger for quite some time and she was also in the NGO sector and seeing what was happening. So we had our constant as Ugandans and, um, we saw so many things happening me and Sharon especially walking around white people and different organizations. So we started this conversation among us. But before starting this conversation, um, I always want to tell people how Admit, Kelsey, it was, um I don't remember the day, but I was in hospital holding my son. And then I see this white woman carrying a black child. And in my mind, I'm like, What is she doing with this baby? Andi? I moved from where I was sitting. I go straight to hand ask how what are you doing with this child? What is wrong? What is the problem with the child? And she says, Oh, we have brought this child Thio to undergo some tests here because she was not feeling well. So that's When we pick up the conversation and they begin asking Kelsey, what do you do? What are you doing in Uganda? And I mean, all these Children, like around you, what do you do with them? So she explained to me that actually, she was running this organization called up Abide Family Center, which was keeping Children in families rather than sending them to the orphanages. So I was like, Okay, I'm interested, Interested in the idea? So how can I see what you guys do? Can A If you don't mind, Can I come and see what you guys actually do in the ground? And she said, Yeah, we actually look at it in Gambia And the name I went to see her in the other co founder. I wouldn't want to mention her name. They talked me through on this organizations activity is the goals and objectives. On day actually asked me what my qualification was and what my profession Woz and I told them I'm a social worker, said, all good, we actually hiring a social worker in in, like, a math. So if you don't mind, would you take on this position? I said okay, fine. I will give it a try. So I started walking with Kelsey, and that is how we get to know each other. And she was my boss. That time. Andi I was a case manager, was a social worker walking with people in the community and in the organization. But along the way, some things didn't go actually. Right, Because I noticed that the environment was not so friendly for me. And, I don't know, maybe other Ugandans are also feeling the same way, but they didn't have courage to express it. So there was this, um, fast. I think I didn't eat for a whole week. And then Kelsey asked me why they didn't see me eat. I said no, your guys for me. I don't eat push on beans a whole week because I didn't grow up eating that. That's it. Okay. But we didn't know actually knew because Because we've been cooking this. So these guys didn't tell us that they didn't want They wanted to change the food. Re actually knew this was the food. So you know every ugandan I'm like No. So they change the food and on DDE, I got to know that they actually new passion beans with the food and so things change. But along the way they steal some things that I saw. There was this unfriendly white woman who came into the organization with no qualifications at all. But then she felt that Ugandans were paid much more money and she would actually ask you on some occasions as you walk into the office in the morning and she's like, Is that a new gene? Is that a new bag? Like as a Ugandan woman, you cannot own this and most cases. I'll tell her, Hey, it's new because I I have my husband has a good job. You can buy for me what I want and I'm also working on earning this money. So for her she didn't she didn't actually want to. She felt Ugandans. We are paid a lot of money and they didn't deserve to be paid that money. She felt that they were doing little and we had to do much, much more toe on that money I felt triggered with the wish was treating. Uganda's even asked the people that we're going to the field and being the work, deciding on what we should do on how our the days should be on. How about a brother should sign for you guys, I don't know, but about it's a bike like this is what we use in Uganda. So after going to the field, that bodega has to sign for you. That's so frustrating, especially as social workers removed in very, very rural areas. It's so hot, it's too dusty that the last thing your structures to ask for a bike guy to sign for you. So all these things was she? It was a different rule around. So for me as Olivia, I wouldn't handle that in. She was. I knew I was not bigger than the organization. So my decision to quit, I think, was the right decision because I felt there was no I would look at my fellow Ugandans being treated in that way. So I needed to protect my conscious and I left. But then when I left the organizations, my conversation with Kelsey Dean stop because of most cases, I used to tell her I told her, You talk to that white girl. The worship tress Ugandans is no good, and I remember we had a few conversations anyway, where we actually got to know where she's coming from. She's coming from, you know, she grew up on a farm somewhere somewhere and then. So I I got wonder standing like Maybe she's coming to mix with people who have gone to school and she doesn't get it right. But then that was not excused to treat Ugandans poorly. So our conversations continued with Kelsey. I think when I left, you also may be Takaya and then went back home. Also. I know she'll explain to you guys. So we kept talking on the fact that people will ask, Why did we join forces to work together with Kelsey? Because Kelsey also this saw this problem and this doesn't rule out on being part of this problem, and she always a part of this problem. But the fact that she came out and started addressing it openly without fearing to lose friends, Evan family was something that gave me the courage. If if it's it's a white castle actually addressing it openly, then I think we can join forces together and let people know white people who are sitting right behind there knowing it's it's there's no problem with that were just fine. I mean, it's it's okay. So, being white and hard telling fellow white people that indeed we need to change in these areas and we have not the areas that we have not acted the where we're supposed to act when we come to the working space and also in the engine or sector and also in Africa. So this conversation's sparked off what you guys see everyday, only instagram as a Pedj that is growing very, very fast. The no way to save your page. We didn't sit back here on a plan that no white Saviours is going to take on the way it is. Who would be deceiving you guys. There's were conversations that give Bath into this hash tag, and then it is what you guys are saying today. But if we sit behind Onda, we said this was Kelsey. Olivia's idea would be lying. These are conversations on that fast. I remember told Kelsey when we started talking about these issues, I said, You know, while no one is going to follow this work, no one is going to fall our work. And when we got one person falling I said Oh, actually, there is one passage now following. They're two people on. When we go to 1000 we over where excited was screaming 1000. And now we have over 200 something 90. So it is. It has been a journey where we are right now. And I wouldn't take all the time to explain this. I would love Kelsey to also chip in and tell you guys on how we've moved this journey to where we are right now. All how it has been for her to come to what we have right now on this table and to have this name which has become a brand name around the world. No white Saviours, Yes, maybe kills you can share with people listening.

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Thank you. Covered, covered everything. Um, but the only I had a few things that I was taking notes on because I feel like we've like you said, So many people have asked us this story like, how did this even come about? And when we get asked that question, I feel like there's some things that are similar themes that come out. But there are also new things that come out every time. And I think one of the aspects that that really came to mind as you were talking was there was definitely there were things that I did at that time to address what was going on that was wrong. But there were also a lot of things that I did not d'oh! And I think the more I've learned, the more I've listened to you and to others about the harm that I have caused the harm that other foreign nationals and white people have caused here, the more I've realized. Wow, there's so many different areas of where my mindset was rooted in racism and white supremacy, where just the complete mis education that we receive, um, internationally, about the African content about Uganda specifically is so colonial in nature, so rooted in that oppressive ideology of what African culture is, what African people and Ugandan people specifically are capable of, um, and the fact that we have some inherent morality as white people or foreigners and inherent knowledge, inherent expertise. All of that was definitely as you know, as well intentioned as maybe maybe I wasn't the worst white person that came into Ginger or came into Uganda, but I certainly had so many different errors and so many different missteps and wrongdoings. And I think that, you know, as you said, I'm not only have I been part of the problem in the past, but this is an ongoing This is an ongoing problem. So yes. So I think that, um, the reason we started this like Olivia broke down everything. So I feel like there's not really much else to say there, but where we could never have imagined it would become where it is. We could never have imagined it would have grown within less than two years to be where it's at, and we do recognize that it's a tremendous responsibility. We view this as a collective work we don't while we take ownership in terms of being being able to help lead this being helpful to help facilitate the discussions. No white Saviours is so much larger than any of us on this team. It's the wider community, and we really value the input of so many different people that have had various experiences that relate to the work that we d'oh next, we're going to hear from Wendy in terms of What's the connection between no white Saviours and KUSI Mama Africa? And what does Coochie mama Africa do? What is actually happened on the ground in Uganda?

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Thank you, though the connection between no white Savior and Chrissy Mama Africa is that no white Saviours, a campaign and as a conversation is what sparked the creation off. See, Mama Africa is an engineer. So what does Cassie Mama Africa is an NGO do because I'm afraid of the ninja is divided into three programs that we focus on one education action on advocacy, which could be legal. Or, you know. So under our action campaign, we are saying as go see Mama Africa, that there's need for people to see examples of people that are getting you trade. We don't just want to point out, and whoever is doing it wrong, we are giving you a clear picture of who we think when you invest your time and energy with you'll actually get good outcomes other than you know, the white Sylvia mentality. So within action, we've cut no with Vivian and led organizations help them set up from, you know, like grass Shoot. The partnering is no necessarily to do with, you know, us handing out or dishing out money to these organizations because we believe if are no organization is to grow, it needs to be independent. And for someone to be independent, they need to be able to finance themselves. So we provide other basic necessities off all. We are looking for people that could write grants and you no use our platform and say, Hey, is there anyone that knows how to do this? Could you help then Could you help someone like sustained me, Uganda or Chair Uganda? We link people to potential people that are interested in seeing that organizations are independently driven, then within education. This is where Noah TV is. A campaign falls into a swell that we are very much aware, as an organization, as a campaign that the education and individual receives could either liberate them or enslave them. So what kind of education are people interested in at this point in time? We are is no way saviors we as cozy Mama Africa, interested in an education that is going to liberty people, an education that is going to de colonize all the evils that we've been told already, Do you know better ourselves? Ennui. The legal advocacy we we help individuals is because we also understand that it's very important that people are excess justice on from the past to the prison. What has hinted The access to justice has always been finances. A family that has lost their child, too. You know, illegal adoption is not able to revoke their adoption order because they don't have the money. So as no it is. We understand that for any person to access justice, it's not just having justice systems in place. There's justice systems need to be fun financed for them to run. So we help fundraise for people that need legal fees, connect them to different low firms that are willing maybe to do things on pro bono. Yes, so we could see that everyone has access to justice. Thank you,

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Andy. Um, so thank you for explanation about how we started Olivia and Wendy for the breakdown of how no white Saviours in kusi Mama Africa, the NGO are connected. I think that's a part of our work that gets lost sometimes because people see the platform and don't always understand that there is a lot of work that's going on on the ground as well.

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So people are, you know, in most cases saying, Oh, you know, ITV is basically own here, hating on where people know we're not hating on worry people. And best of all, we never said No, wait, people, we want you as a wait person to understand that you hold a certain privilege as opposed to our Ugandan. So how are you using that privilege? Are you money plating people? Are you saving people at the end of the day? So, yeah, we do a lot on ground, but because we're not white Saviours were not interested in showing off. We would rather keep what we do in a ground to ourselves and to the people that actually benefiting from me. Because at the end of the day, we're not interested in in news headlines. We are interested in making real shift seeing changes within AIDS communication, humanitarian aid? A. No, there's other compositions that absolutely, and the thing that

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we get criticized for a lot in our work is calling people out that there's this danger or toxicity with call out culture and what people don't realize is that the majority of the time and we

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haven't done this

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always. We've definitely made mistakes along the way and I think if we're going to challenge other people to do better, we also have to see our own mistakes along the way and understand that this is we've. We've continued to grow and learn about what is the best way to approach this and I know we'll continue to make mistakes. I think what's important for us as a team to show is that we can. We can own up to when we make mistakes and commit to doing better as well. Just like we're asking other people to do that. We need to do it as well and I think that what needs to be stressed about that whole criticism of call out culture is that I don't think I don't know what you guys think but would do you think there would be any amount of the level of change that we've seen in Jinja or in different NGOs that we've heard about around the world that are scared of being called out by no wait saviors? Do you think that would ever be possible? Do you think people would be shifting and changing willingly? Or do you think I would like to hear what you guys think about that?

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I don't think people will be changing welling Lee if they worry being called it because much of what we are talking about at this point in time is these are things that have been happening for decades and decades because there was no one calling out anyone does no one talking about them. There was no rail change. So for us to have real effective change, we need to expose whether is doing this on. The only way to get them accountable is exposing them. Like, of course, most of these people were exposing our social media's showing off. Or, you know, this is what I'm doing for you, Clay. This is what I'm doing. So so what happens if you're using the same medium to expose what they are no doing. So they you know they will get frustrated and be forced to change in one way or another because the people they are preaching there good news to is watching this other side and they're like, What's going on? These don't seem to mind. So and most of

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the people that get called out have been addressed privately through incredible me

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multiple people saying, Hey, could you check out this account? Could you look into this, Pathan, We don't think they're getting it right even when they think they have all the good intentions. So I don't know what to leave your things, but for me, I believe calling out it may have its repercussions. But we do take care of these repack Asians. We doing investigations. So, yeah,

spk_0:   27:55
I know people want to listen to me about that, but I'll say that the no, it's every movement is a different tool that we're using to challenge white supremacy. Oh, so calling out is a new tool that the world has two years because we have been using different tools way yes to come. So no, its saviors introduced this tool on. I think it is effective when we have a feeling the work we are hearing from the ground that things are changing. So I think with white supremacy there should be new, innovative ideas on how to challenge it. So this is one of it, and I am 100% supporting the call out. Because if it is what is going to bring change in the world that want to see them, so be it's We're going to use that and also maybe to break down Kelsey is going to break down in a minute. On on what? This podcast will be talking a defendant, different episodes that we're going to bring to you guys and just be ready and and send in different questions. So, Kelsey, would you please just use a minute to list them up?

spk_1:   28:59
Yes. So, um, the purpose of this podcast is to bring in guests and bring in other voices. You guys hear from us every day on our account and on our pop, different social media platforms. So we want to bring in other voices of people, especially on the continent. So African nationals or people living on the continent who are doing important work and have important to not knowledge to share. So some of the topics are going to be volunteerism, ethical, storytelling, identity, conservation, pan Africanism, among many others. So we can't wait for you to join us for this first season,

spk_0:   29:33
and I think people can always send in questions when before our topic. But our podcast is going to be unique in the sense that we're starting with voices on the continent. As Kelsey A said, We want the world to hear from people who live here, not people who just come here for a month and think they know the history of our continent and think that they can share our stories on our behalf. So basically, we want you guys to listen to voices that are coming down from the continent, leaving alone books that have been written by people who have never lived here for even a month. But that is a book that is selling in New York. So we just want people the world view Africa in the eyes off African people, from the voices off African people from from us, the African people onto the second party. So I think

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from here say's and rumors

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exactly. I think we keep on saying that Africa doesn't need go betweens right now in our own emancipation, and this is what still be called talks about and I think we're putting this into action. We want to stand firm and you guys get the first hand information from the the owners off the content. Don't people who want to photocopy the Colton? Good

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one. Uh, we can't wait to year from you guys. We can't wait for you to listen to what we have in stock for you. If you're a white person and I know you think you want to line, you're ready. We think this is the right podcast. Free. Just tuning and listen. Be willing to listen before you say anything.