The Gen Marutani Zone... Episode 358

This week on The Gen Marutani Zone:

1. A man with thoughts!

2. A man with opinions!

3. A man with FACTS!

4. A man smarter than Steve & Matt!

5. A man that we love!

6. 66

7. Bloodied Hopes

8. A man with his own Waffle Zone!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Uh next up, uh Again Marietani, Matt, Shiva Japan. He almost needs his own episode. He really does. We're gonna do the waffle zone and the Gen Marietani zone. Now, you'll be disappointed to know, Matt, there's only one queak quote.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Kind of relieves, actually.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

But when I tell you who it's by, you'll know you're gonna be here a while. Oh, I like Gen. Gen, Marietani, and Chiba Japan.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

We're about to cross the time zone.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Yeah, I know. Well, one of us was late. I can't help that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Well, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Uh says, uh, we had Virtual 11, Brave New World, so this is going to be Questions of Death. Or maybe Dance of Questions. You figure that out. Surprisingly, listen to this, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

At the 13th of this series, Uncle Steve came up with some came up with some of the most interesting what-if questions.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah, interesting in quotation mark. Define interesting. Let's not do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Yeah. Well done, gentlemen. And then he answers each of the questions for us, Matthew. Better.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

These will be the actual Well, this will be handy because you couldn't remember what the questions were when we talked about it earlier.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

I know. What if the number of the beast bombed did not go anywhere? What would have happened? Uh, if the first album with Bruce hadn't worked out, I honestly think they would have broken up. Just like many other new wave of British heavy metal bands. A lot of those bands had successful debuts or a couple good releases in the early 80s, but eventually faded away, except for Maiden, Def Leopard, and Saxon, because they couldn't sustain the success or struggled with management. I think Maiden could have been one of them if their first album with Bruce had been a complete flop.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

That is a good point, actually. I never thought about it like that. But so I think about Australian bands, and you really only have a limited market initially unless you take off.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

And the UK, okay, you can go play places here and there, but if you're not getting out of the UK and into Europe and the US and that, yeah, eventually you're gonna run your course. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Interesting. Uh Rod and Steve might have fired Bruce immediately to hire a new vocalist or even formed a new band. Who knows? I I think at the very least he would have gotten they would have done one more album. So I think so. Yeah. Question two What if Dennis Stratton never exited the band? How would that have changed the sound? Now this will be a good question because Gen is smarter than us.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Oh, Triple Harmonies and whatnot, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Triple Harmony Gen.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Yeah. When you look at his post-maiden career, like Lionheart and Praying Manais, it's very obvious that he had a strong affinity for more melodic hard rock style. Could he have influenced Steve to do more catchy pop rock? Steve to uh I really doubt it, but he might have contributed in a different way. I don't think the Killer's album, he's not done. Don't wait to go yet, sorry. Yeah, you got at least two more paragraphs, Matt. I don't think the Killer's album would have been much different anyway, since most of them had been written a long time ago. The fun speculation part would be the Bruce era. As I said, I don't think Dennis could have made Steve write more arena rock type songs, nor do I think Steve would have allowed Dennis's songs on the album. However, as Steve has mentioned in the episode, Dennis might have contributed to writing vocal melodies and harmonies. Can you imagine songs like Children of the Damned, Caught Somewhere in Time, The Evil That Men Do, and Brave New World with richly layered harmonies? Oh, it might have been really cool. Also, he could have contributed a lot to the live shows since he's always been a great singer. He even took lead vocals several times in Praying Mantis. As much as I love Steve and Adrian, I'm not a big fan of their backing vocals, but Dennis could have made the many main songs sound more like the studio versions. I would have loved to see him singing background harmonies for songs such as Run to the Hills, Ace Is High, Power Slave, Afraid to Shoot Strangers, and Blood Brothers. Matt?

SPEAKER_02 4:34

It'd be interesting. I I am a fan of Adrian Smith, and I do like his backing vocals and the melodies that he comes up with. But yeah, it'd still be interesting. But when you mentioned I have no issue with it live. Not at all.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

Um, but I was thinking that was my train of thought now. Oh, okay. So some of the more commercial elements that Maiden would have on the commercial very loosely using that term. Like the Adrian has more of a commercial feel.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

I think you might have had something like that maybe, but maybe he would have tried to take it too far.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Could be.

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Adrian and then some is what Dennis might have been.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

You look yeah, you listened to ASAP, you know, when he first came out. So all right. Question three. What if Paul Deano had a success with his solo career and stayed clean and sober? He would have had to get clean and sober first.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

We would all remember September.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Yeah, that's right. Would he have returned when Bruce left in '93? No way, he says. I assume this scenario means he found success with his solo project, Diano. The music was much more pop-oriented rock, more pop-hard rock with a lot of synthesizers, if he had been successful with that. I think it would have been even less likely for him to come back. But I mean, he I mean, I met through the whole thing, you know, because he went heavier and got stuff like that, and maybe if that would have been successful too. Um now, if he had achieved huge success with Battle Zone, then the scenario might have been a bit different. But even then, I don't think Steve would have called him. If Gogmagog, the super group with Yannick, Clive, Pete Willis, and Neil Murray would have become a permanent project that exploded, it would have been really interesting. It could have changed Maiden history in a completely different way. That's true. Good point, again. Question four. How would the band change style-wise? How would the band change sound-wise if Clive stayed? As I mentioned before, Maiden might have maintained a more aggressive and raw sound. I think Clive could have played many of the songs Nico did, but I really doubt they would have had the same vibe on Revelations, Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Caught Somewhere in Time. I'm pretty sure he could play them, but it just wouldn't feel the same as Niko. I also don't think the gallop rhythm would have become as iconic to the maiden sound as it is today. That's a very good point, Nerth there. I strongly believe that Steve and other members utilized or overused it because Niko could lock in those gallops so effortlessly with his single bass drum. He's making some good points here, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Indeed, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

If only we could have made some points like this when we talked about all this.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Look, we we realize our limitations though. At least we've got that going.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Yeah, yeah. You know, we we've we've peaked already. This is why we bring all these people in. We've what was the thing I read earlier? I said, um, I've never said something like I've never met a person that's already met their full potential. That's us. That's us. That's us. Uh what if Adrian had been in the band from the very beginning? Dave joined after Dennis left, and then Dave, instead of Adrian, had left the band in the 90s. How would the band have been different? Uh this is way too much to think about.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

Oh, do you know what? I'm glad he said that because that was hard to try and keep up with what you were talking about.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Yeah, that was a lot.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

I was like, Gen had to replay that, I'm sure, to understand.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

But but he also gave us an answer. What was it? As Matt mentioned in the episode, the playing styles, especially the solos of Adrian and Dennis, are quite similar. The contrast between Dennis and Dave, or Dave and Adrian, is what made it great. It's really hard to imagine how their debut album would have turned out. It might have featured more melodic leads and fewer fast solos, meaning the album could have lost some of its raw aggression. Killers would also be interesting, even with Dave in the band. I believe Adrian would have taken the initiative in the guitar team. It would have featured more solos by Adrian instead of Dave. And as I mentioned before, Killers might have lost some of its bite due to that shift in solo styles. If Adrian had been in the band from the start, I think he would have contributed even more songs during the 80s. He would have had stronger say in the band early on. We might have been blessed with even more masterpieces, but as a huge Dave Murray fan myself, I'd rather hear more solos from Dave than more songs from Adrian. Sorry, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Alright. But the contrast in their styles is what really made it for me. Because do you really want two people when it's a five-piece? Like both shredding like Dave. There's anything wrong with that, but you're getting the same. Or do you want two people with Adrian's style? I don't really want that either. But I love that contrast between the two. They they complement each other.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, there's a good contrast there. Now, um, let's see here if I can You were reading along when I was saying that.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

You were looking at the next thing, I could tell.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

I'm trying to find um Yeah, I know. Yeah, I was trying to find Gen. I'm trying to find Gen's first post because it's like uh it something happened on it.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Um out of order.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Well, it wasn't wanting to load or something, so uh I thought we've prepared You usually prepare all this sort of stuff. No, I don't. Okay, so last I'll read one from last week that didn't get read because uh it got submitted too late because me and Jay recorded on Friday night. So Gen Mar Yutani. Uh this is from the waffle from the week before when you were on. Uh wait. Oh, yeah, this is the waffle of the week before when Kirsty was on. So you weren't on the last two waffles.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

No, I came for the episode, but not for the waffle.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

So here's what Gen said. Yeah, yeah. Gen says, Speaking of Motley Crue, Shout of the Devil was one of the first metal albums I explored. I found it at a local city library and borrowed it because I could tell it was a metal album from the cover, even though I was still fairly new to the genre. I seriously thought Mick and Tommy looked super weird. It was much more accessible to me, especially after listening to Master of Puppets, Painkiller, and Rain and Blood, which were way too over the top for me at the time. It still had that good rawness and heaviness of metal combined with some great hooks and vocal melodies. It also had some classic heavy metal cliches like In the Beginning and God Bless the Children of the Beast. They were definitely following in the footsteps of earlier metal bands and captured a lot of their essence. Theater of Pain and Girls Girls Girls were too poppy and polished for me, personally, to call them metal albums. Their production definitely became slicker, brighter, and lighter, even though their guitars and basses were still down tuned. Dr. Feel Good was a great mix of their pop essence and heaviness, thanks to the producer Bob Rock. But it was still different from their early minor keytone, raw sound, and rough progression. It was much more of a polished and refined heaviness, which I don't mind. Anyways, it was one of the most memorable albums from my youth, and thanks, Uncle Steve, for inspiring me to revisit. Oh, by the way, I like their self-titled album too. There you go, Matt. How was that?

SPEAKER_02 12:07

Very Gen like, well um thought out and explained.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Well thought out, well explained. And uh of course, the ne the next thing we got here, Matthew, is is hopefully, Matt, I can find the rest of Gen's uh posts.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

I hope so. He puts a lot of effort into what he writes.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Yeah, and I'm I'm trying to find it here.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

And and he knows how much background work that that we put into doing this.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Well, I mean that's why I'm surprised that you can't find it's it's like Jay said, we show up and we do this show every week, and uh look we're letting everybody down right now. Uh you know I really am, so here. One more try.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Hang on, you you could pretend the power went out.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Okay, I think I read uh because now it's not even here at all. It's uh it's just not even showing me his quiet vote. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Apologies again.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yeah, again, I'm sorry and I I might have broke the internet with his answer. And I know, yeah, that that could have happened, actually. And I know that I reposted it. Okay, wait, I think I found it. I think I found it. I was on question five, I remember. Yeah. Now I don't the thing is I don't know if he uh wrote more in in in the uh because you know he usually does all the questions.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

So let me scroll down and see if there's a uh question five. Adrian. Okay, here we go. I had to go to the comments, and it was taking me. I'm sorry for that. Maybe I'll edit all that out, Matt, and I'll just go. Okay, next up, uh, question six. What if Paul had been fired before they recorded the debut? Would that change the sound of the first two albums? This is an interesting twist to think about. Samson released their debut in 89, and Bruce, then Bruce Bruce, joined them late that year. In this scenario, I assume he immediately leaves Samson and joins Iron Maiden instead. That'd be the hap that would have to be, yeah. At that point, Samson actually had more experience with recording and the music business than Maiden did. Missing out on that Samson era might have changed Bruce's traject traject trajectory. Easy for me to say. But on the other hand, going through Samson in real life is what gave him a stronger say in the band later on. Bruce has always been a man with strong opinions. And then you also wouldn't have had shock tactics, Matt.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Obviously, the debut album would have changed much in terms of songwriting and recording. The blueprint was already set and he would have sung the melodies as we know them. I think the biggest differences would have come with their second album. I don't think Bruce would have been happy singing songs with a bunch of that a bunch of previous singers had already done. Two albums in a row. He might have said, Alright, these songs are too low for my vocal range, uh, or doesn't utilize my ability. Let's rearrange them, or come on, Steve, I'm not gonna sing a bunch of old material, let's write some new song, who knows? Uh question seven. What if Silicon Messiah had been released before Brave New World and Iron Maiden had promoted it the way they do nowadays for member side projects? Would it have changed people's perception of Blaze? I actually uh I don't know if you saw this, Matt, but they did that thing called Edfest.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

And there's footage of Steven there's footage of Steve watching Blaze's whole show.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Oh, I didn't see that. I saw him having a bit of a chat.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

There's a real there's there's footage of them having a chat. And and he also, I think he did uh Born as a Stranger in that set. And he said, This song I believe would have been on my third Iron Maiden album if I was on it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Oh, he said that.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

I think he said I think he said something like that. Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Because he said I was writing this when we were writing for the next album.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Do you know that song?

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Oh, yeah, from Silicon Valley.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

It's good.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Yeah, the and the crowd was really into it, singing all the words and stuff. It was it was it was cool. Uh let's see. Uh he said, I honestly don't think so. In my opinion, the Blaze deniers are mostly Bruce absolutists. Well, I don't know. I think I think because people that like him like Paul as well, so some of them. Uh, they couldn't care less about Blaze the moment he left the band. What it might have encouraged a few maiden fans to check, while it might have encouraged a few maiden fans to check out Blaze's solo material, the vast majority wouldn't have paid attention for two main reasons. The internet wasn't as massive as it is today, so I doubt effectively Maiden Camp could have directed their fans to Blaze's work. Secondly, Brave New World and Halford's Resurrection completely ignited the traditional heavy metal revival at the time. With those two massive waves crashing down, it still would have been incredibly difficult for Blaze to succeed, even if Silicon had come out first. Which is kind of true, but I mean I think Silicon Messiah's on par with those albums. I know, I know some people here. I know there's people on this call that think it's better than Brave New Worlds.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Probably half of this call, actually.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Yeah. Uh what if Nico, ooh, this is the question that was tough. What if Nico had passed away from the stroke? Would Maiden have picked Simon for the future past tour, or would they have canceled the tour and ended the band? I really I knew he would say this. I really don't want to speculate on this scenario. But let's look at it through two possibilities. If he had passed away, I honestly think they would have just canceled the tour and ended the band. They have been they had been maintaining the same lineup for 24 years at that point. In my opinion, Iron Man is still on the road today only because Niko was able to retire from touring rather than passing away. However, looking at the alternative, assuming they decided to go ahead with their book dates, who would have been the replacement? Would it have been Simon? I'm honestly not sure. I'm pretty sure the biggest reason Simon was brought in later was because British Lion was touring with Maiden during 23 and 4. Steve played with Simon almost as often as he did with Nico during that time, and as we note, they only had the session with Simon towards the end of the tour because he was already there with them anyway. Therefore, I doubt he would have been the first pick in the band. Oh, wait. Therefore, I doubt he would have been the first pick if the band had been forced to make that choice back in 23 instead of late 24. Instead, they might have brought in someone like Mike Portnoy as a temporary replacement. Dream Theater is well known for covering Iron Maiden, and Portnoy is famous for his ability to duplicate drum parts exactly. Question 9.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Hang on, on that.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

So I can't really imagine that scenario for Maiden. Because that's like ACDC and Axe Rose coming in to sing. Like that's a big personality. Or it's a well, you know, celebrity status. Like he's very, very well known, Mike Portnoy. Do you see someone like him just playing with them? I think that's too big.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Yeah, I mean, he seems like more too big. But if they were going to do it as a temporary, hey, we just want you to play on this tour with us. Not not you're gonna be a member of the band, which but Maiden seems more like the I mean, look how quick Nico got or Yannick got in the band. You know, Yannick seemed like he came in, he had a tryout, and they were like, You want to be in the band? Congratulations, you're in the band now.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

I think there's a big difference between Yannick and well, Yannick back then.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, just if they were gonna finish that tour, they might they may have just said, hey, we're gonna end the band after this tour. You know, maybe that could have been the case. But we wanna f we're gonna finish these tour dates because we have them all set. You know, that would have been a whole can you imagine what that tour would have been like if that had happened?

SPEAKER_02 20:09

That's what I was just thinking about.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

It would have been a big memorial every night, you know. But and then at the end of the memorial, uh Mike Portnoy would have come in with a boom, papa, you know. That would have been a perfect way to, you know, they would have had to add Where Eagles Dare back into the set. So okay. What has Yannick's personality added to the band? What have his what has his energy and stage presence brought to the band? His influence has been massive. In my opinion, and extremely underrated. Aside from writing so many great songs, he literally rejuvenated the band in the 90s. Stephen Blaze, I'm sorry, Steve and Bruce have always been known for running everywhere on stage, but Dave and Adrian weren't really like that in the 80s. However, when you look at live footage from the 90s, you suddenly see Dave running all over the place. Yannick definitely inspired Dave in terms of stage uh performance and maybe physical fitness is my thought. I think Dave only stopped running around after Adrian returned simply since there are five guys up front now. Today we have the perfect visual balance. Dave and Adrian, the quiet ones on the left to center left, and Steve and Yannick, the relette restless ones on the right to center right. Yannick's own performance, of course, is incredible. I remember after my first main show in 04, my bandmate said, Did you see Yannick? Oh my god, he I couldn't take my eyes off him. He was crazy. I think those words perfectly sum up everything he brings to the stage. Very well said. Interestingly, he also inspired Dave when it came to live solos. Dave had always been known for improvising on stage, but he started doing it less and less toward the 80s, the end of the 80s. Nevertheless, when Yannick joined, Dave started improvising more than ever. Compare Live After Death to the 90s live album, like a live dead one or Donnington, the change is pretty obvious. One more from Gen. Question 10. Do you think Steve and Rod's plan is, and this is where we talked about last week, I guess, the thing that happened we just talked about earlier. Do you think Steve and Rod's plan is just making as much money as possible from touring? Or do you think either of them is worried about being a nostalgia band now? Maybe that's why they made the announcement. Maybe they were listening to us, Matt. I don't think that was the case. They were listening last week and they were like, holy crap, Matt and Steve are onto something. We better get it.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

These two Muppets had an idea. It's gold.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

We better, we better, we better make this announcement before they steal credit for it. So we want to we should have said breaking news last week is when we should have said it, you know. He said, I honestly don't think either is the case. Bruce mentioned recently he still feels he has a lot to prove. How do you still have a lot to prove it? You know?

SPEAKER_02 22:58

I don't know. I think it's good if he does. To prove that he can still do it at whatever age that he is.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

As he goes along.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

But I don't think Steve and Rod view things that way. I doubt they feel the need to prove anything anymore, nor do I think they worry about or even care if they were labeled a nostalgia man. At this stage of their career, they're in a position where they can do whatever they want, which is true. However, ever since Iron Maiden secured their partnership deal with Pop House, I think it's become much more likely that we'll get a new Maiden album. I strongly believe Maiden made this deal not just for personal financial gain, but to gain access to greater capital to invest in the future massive projects. My ultimate hope is that they will release a new album and launch an Edfest tour to promote it. Man, I would love that. I think it was so cool to have Blaze there. Because as we as we know, there's Blaze's fans aren't nearly as adamant. There's more maiden big, you know, Bruce era fans. But there's a ton of people that love that stuff, you know, and would love to see Blaze over here. So I hope they I really hope they do that. So thank you again for answering all of those questions. You know what, Matt? Let me take a sip of water before I before you dehydrate. I was struggling with reading his last one, so. Okay. Okay. Gen is is is helping my hydration, you know, every time I can read his stuff. He's the reason you're dehydrating. I know. Yeah. A surprise guest appeared this time. Did he act as the voice of reason? Maybe not, but Jay definitely added some spice and a lot of fun to this episode. So my question first off, Gen, is what are you saying about Matt with that?

SPEAKER_02 24:52

I think he'd say, when's Jay gonna be back on?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

Yeah. I totally agree with Jay on Purple. Perfect Strangers was such a great album. After going through various musical careers, Rainbow, Gillen, Whitesnake, Gary Moore, they poured all their energy and ambition into this record with more mature techniques. It's definitely one of their best. Uh Splat is their most energetic album in decades. I wouldn't call it their best since Perfect Strangers, like Jay did, since I love the House of Blue Light and Purple Perpendicular very much. I was really impressed with how they brought fresh energy to this album in their late 70s, except Simon, obviously. Um which one is Simon? Is that the drummer?

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Uh couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah, I don't remember. I'm trying to remember the names. I remember some of the members' names.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

John Lord.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

He's dead. Uh yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

I thought you were trying to run through any of the members.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Oh, yeah. John Lord and um Ian Gillen.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

Um Glenn Hughes.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

He he was in there decades ago. He was there in the 70s. I was just trying to think of it. That's what I mean. I don't know. Richie Blackmore, David Coverdale.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

I forget about him.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

David Coverdale, yeah. Um Ian Pace is the drummer's name. So yeah. Uh Simon, I don't know which one Simon is in. Uh it's very riff-oriented. His description here makes me kind of want to listen to it. Uh it's very riff-oriented, old school rock and roll, yet full of freshness and power. I've been wondering when they will retire, but I guess it won't be soon. Speaking of Pink Floyd, Uncle Steve's recent obsession with the band inspired me to revisit my first Pink Floyd record. Uh Matt, I think uh this might might seal it for you. Okay. Wish you were here.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

All right. Well, I saved it to have a listen to it. Okay, well.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

I I don't have high expectations for when you come back next week.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Oh, I do like that Wish You Were Here song. So it's kind of if it resonates the same way that does, it should be fine.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Okay, well, we'll see. You're right, Steve. When David Gilmore hits the first chord on Shine On You Crazy Diamond after nearly four minutes of keyboards and lead melodies.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Oh, that might put me off.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

Four minutes of keyboards. And lead melodies.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

It always gives me chills. You gotta you gotta make it through it just because Gen said that about it, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

I mean, it's not like it's me saying it. Well, he's not recommending me or begging me to do it though. It's like if it was Simeon or Gen, you know how I noticed uh Simeon asked you to listen to a song by Jerry Cantrell, and you did listen to it.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Simeon's never led me astray.

unknown 27:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. I did enjoy that song. I had an interesting thought. If I met a regular pop rock fan and I needed to explain what's so great about Pink Floyd, I'd probably have a hard time explaining it. It's such bizarre music, yet very attractive and addictive for some reason. I think the attractive and addictive is this the mellowness of it. It's definitely not music for everyone, but it's loved by so many, not just casually, but very deeply. I will say, at the end of that, there were multiple times in that show last night where Vanessa stood up and applauded.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

You know, and you have it at the end of the show. Time to go. Well, when they left the first time, people started filing out, and I was like, there's no way the lights are still off. Yeah, they're coming back, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Rockies.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

And I told her, I'd go, I guess we got one more. And I was I was feeling pretty rough at that point, you know. But I was like, there'll be one more. I'll I'm waiting for it. I'm not leaving. So um, so that's the end of Genz. Uh, thank you again. What are you laughing for?

SPEAKER_02 28:28

It's not just that was 20 minutes again.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Yeah, oh yeah. And with that, Matthew.