My constant was always going back and editing , and that was not working for me .
Speaker 1Like going back and editing a couple of chapters and then only writing up to chapter six , like that . It just wasn't working . So when I started leaving those notes and doing those magical revisions or just saying like add in a fun scene here with these people because I just couldn't think of anything at the time and just keep moving , it's great . But as far as the creative process of the first draft , I find that so freeing to just be able to keep writing and just keep moving forward and if I want to make a change I'll pretend that I've made it and then just keep going with the story .
Speaker 2Welcome to the Fiction Writing Made Easy podcast . My name is Savannah Gilbo and I'm here to help you write a story that works . I want to prove to you that writing a novel doesn't have to be overwhelming , so each week I'll bring you a brand new episode with simple , actionable and step-by-step strategies that you can implement in your writing right away . So whether you're brand new to writing or more of a seasoned author looking to improve your craft , this podcast is for you . So pick up a pen and let's get started .
Speaker 2In today's episode , I'm sitting down with one of my Notes to Novel students who spent 20 years yes , two full decades trying to write the same story . Her name is Gina Elizabeth , and she would get to chapter four , five or maybe six , and then she'd hit a wall . She'd go back to the drawing board , start over and repeat this process over and over again and I know that will sound uncomfortably familiar to some of you listeners . But here's where it gets really good . After discovering she'd been missing one crucial tool this entire time , gina not only finished her novel , but published two books in a single year . So today we're going to talk about what changed for Gina from the moment she realized outlining was actually an option for someone who'd always been more of a pantser , to the day she wrote 10,000 words in one day because she had so much momentum and literally could not stop writing . If you've ever felt stuck in an endless loop of starting and abandoning manuscripts , or if you're wondering whether you'll ever actually finish that novel that's been living in your head for years , this conversation is about to show you exactly what's possible when you have the right tools and the right framework .
Speaker 2But before we get into all the juicy details , I want to read you the back cover copy of Gina's novel Hunted , which is the first book in her Bonded in Blood series . Here's what it says shapeshifters have long been hunted by humans , facing imprisonment or death as retribution for the actions of the first Soul Shifter . For the past eight years , aslan and her shapeshifter brother Liam have concealed their identities in the safety of Frenhill's small town . But when the king's oppressive reign sparks revolt , they must call upon the Shifter resistance for aid , igniting a conflict that will change the face of Alembria forever . Amidst the turmoil , aslan reunites with a long-lost ally and saves a mysterious Shifter , stirring up emotions she can't seem to ignore . As Aslan navigates betrayal and desire , she must also confront the shadows of her past and the looming threat of the King's forces . With Alembria's fate hanging in the balance , aslan must find the courage to embrace her dark powers and decide where her loyalties lie before it's too late .
Speaker 2Alright , so that is the back cover copy of Gina's novel called Hunted . We are also going to discuss her prequel novella called Hide , which I will link to in the show notes . Alright , so grab your favorite beverage , settle in and let's dive right into my conversation with Gina Elizabeth .
Speaker 1My name is Gina . I am a new indie romanticist author . I'm also a manager of a locally used bookstore . I'm a dog mom , a cat mom and a military spouse .
Speaker 2So we're here today to kind of talk about two different things . One is your novella that came out in 2024 , and the other is your novel that came out just earlier this year , in 2025 . So , first of all , huge congratulations . That's two books . I know one's a novel , one's a novella , but two books in a year , that's amazing .
Speaker 1Thank you so much . Yeah , the novella really was written like very shortly after the novel and kind of a spur of the moment . Like you know what , I am going to write this um cut scene from the novel and I am going to publish it beforehand . So I kind of actually had to like push back the novel's publication .
Speaker 2But it was really good , which is so cool . I want to talk about that later , but I actually want to start us with the novel because , like you said , that came first right and then you decided to jump into the novella
. So take me back to like the very first nugget of the idea that you had for your novel yeah .
Speaker 1So for the novel , I mean it's kind of a mixture , I would say . Like back when I was I don't know 12 , 13 , when I was a young lass , I had an idea , I had these characters in my mind and I always knew that I wanted to base my character Aslan off of . I was inspired by Tamora Pierce's Wild Magic and Dane . In that book she can speak to animals telepathically and I always found that super interesting because I love animals , and so that is kind of where it started . So that is kind of where it started . But then fast forward to really fully pursuing writing the novel in , like I think it was like 2021 or 2022 . But that was just like I needed it to be more adult .
Speaker 1I was not 13 anymore . I wanted Aslan to be like in her younger 20s , but not necessarily coming of age , and so that's kind of where I really pursued the Notes to Novel course and tried to figure out like , what is the story now in her 20s ? I've always struggled with trying to write the story , because I've attempted to write it over and over and over again and , yes , loosely she was based off of me in the beginning and now , like , definitely I pulled from my own personal experiences , but it was . It was hard trying to figure out like , what does this story look like now for her ? And also I'm in my 30s now , but I was writing her as a 20 year old , so it's just a lot of a lot of trying to figure the story , the character , the evolution of it .
Speaker 2Yeah , and so what did that look like over the years , when you would kind of start and stop ?
Speaker 1Was it always getting to the same sticking point or was it like every draft had a new sticking point or what was that like ? Yeah , so I basically would write like a handful of chapters anywhere from like four to six , and really just not know where to go after that and was kind of pantsing my way through it and I didn't know those terms at the time like pantsing , plotter , planter . I identify as a planter . Now I definitely like to plot and then , like I'm working on book two currently . I plotted it out and I am like very much not sticking on track to where I've been with my outline and kind of just like I don't know .
Speaker 2It's a crazy world in a writer's brain , yeah , that's for sure , especially juggling more than one book to like spend your writing series . So I can imagine and I think that's pretty typical too it's like you start , you kind of fizzle out because you're having new ideas , you're trying to balance old ideas and you're trying to learn about how to write a novel , all those things , and like you have real life . You know you have real life , you know you have a job , you have fur kids , whether cats or canines , and like a husband , right , and you guys move a lot . So it makes total sense . I'm sure that felt a little bit frustrating and you probably had the self-doubt that we all have of like , well , who am I to think I can do this ? Does that kind of sum up your emotional state at that point ?
Speaker 1Yeah , you know , when the term imposter syndrome came out , I was like , oh yeah , that's me . Because every time we'd stop around you know chapter five or six I'd be like , well , ok , I don't know where to go after this . Or I would just see like so many different paths that the characters could take and I didn't know which one to choose . And then I would try and take one and I'd be like it's not quite right and I'd have to start over and over and over . And yeah , it was just , it was a lot .
Speaker 2Yeah , I think that's what a lot of non-writers don't realize , Cause I'll hear people say things like oh , how fun , you can literally make up anything , and it's like in theory yeah , but that's yeah , that's like really hard to deal with sometimes . Okay , so then we met in 2022 , when you signed up for Notes to Novel , and I'm just curious you can tell me anything . You know that , gina . Did you have any hesitations or worries or anything before you signed up ?
Speaker 1No . So I started listening to your podcast first and I recommended it to so many people . Like now that some writers are coming to me as well and asking , like how I got started , I'm like , yeah , I would recommend starting with the podcast . It's free , and then , you know , take the course if you can afford it . But I was really excited for it . Like I at that time I wasn't working , I lived in Korea and I had a lot of time on my hands , and so I told myself , if I have time , I'll pursue a writing career , and so that , like I just jumped in and yeah , yeah , that's funny .
Speaker 2So the stars aligned , you were like I'm doing it now , and so that was in 2022 . And then , fast forward to 2025 , your novel was published . So what happened in those three years ?
Speaker 1Oh , so much so I it took me about . I would say like , well , after I took your notes , a novel course . It took me about four months to outline which wild concept plotting . That was a bit groundbreaking for me , that I could really
kind of explore all of my ideas , and the first outline was just so silly . Like it was not good at all , so yeah .
Speaker 1Just stuff probably right , yeah , getting into that . So it took me four months to do the outline and then I started writing and I was really like up and down with trying to figure out like do I do , do I set a word count per day , or do I set like a time limit ? And so that was kind of hard , trying to figure out what my routine was going to be . Yeah , it's fine now . It's just I just like to write every day and if it's a paragraph , it's a paragraph . If it's today , it was like almost 4000 words , like that's . You know for everyone .
Speaker 1At this point that I talked to , it's kind of like just do what works for you . If it's sprints , do sprints . If it's just writing , then just write . You don't have to have like a number goal for yourself .
Speaker 1So then I think it took me , oh man , six months to a year to like write the first draft . I really don't remember because there's been so many drafts since then , plus an overseas move and not only moving to Germany , then moving to a new house after you're like in a temporary area for a while . So , yeah , yeah , and then pretty much as I was getting through the editing process of Hunted and I think I was about to send it to my line and copy editor , I kept thinking about this backstory that I had initially wanted to write and include in the novel that you had gently but firmly recommend I not put in like an eight-year time jump in my novel , and I just couldn't stop thinking about it . I really wanted readers to experience that . So while I was sending hunted to my line and copy editor , it didn't take me that long because I already knew the story . I out the novella , I think in a week , and then I wrote it within two weeks . So it was awesome and then sent that off to my developmental editor .
Speaker 2So that's awesome , and so I want to highlight that for listeners , because sometimes people are like , oh , if I edit something , it's dead , and it's like no , it does not have to be dead . There are so many things you can do with it , whether it's a freebie for your email list or turning it into a novella , like Gina did . That's such a cool idea . And now , in hindsight , how do you feel about taking that out of the novel ?
Speaker 1Oh yeah , I mean , when you recommended it I was like , oh my God , I really don't want that . I really want readers to experience this . But it hunted reads so much better without that eight year time jack . Because it was really like a weird percentage of my book was back when they were 13 . And then it just randomly jumped and you're already like 20 percent through the book and it was just yeah , it was really weird . So I do lead by having it as its own separate entity now , and initially I had planned it to just be a lead magnet , but when I wrote it I was like this is way longer for a lead magnet .
Speaker 2I think this is and you loved it so much too . So it's like you know might as well put it out there , but I think that's awesome . So I'm glad you were able to repurpose that and I remember that conversation and I remember your face being like maybe , maybe I'll do that . I don't know , it's just so funny . Okay , so let's go back to like , because there's a few things that you said that are really interesting to me . One of them was you kind of embraced an outline , a version of that for you . So what if you can remember , like , what were you hesitant about when it came to outlining ?
Speaker 1I don't know if I was hesitant as so much that I like I just didn't even know that was an option . I didn't do any research , I didn't really study writing . I think I took like one creative writing course in college and yeah , it was always just kind of like a passion , hobby on the side , um . But when I did start outlining , I think also it was just it's a lot of work , right , like yeah , we do have to deep dive , and it wasn't just like oh , I'm playing with my little Barbie dolls on my paper for making them do whatever kissy noises like .
Speaker 1It was really deep diving into the characters , their backstory , the plot , and I was just reading a book the other day that like there are two different types of writers . There are ones who really write plot based books and then ones who really write character based books , and I'm definitely a character based one and I think the outlining process was like it's harder for me because I don't really think about the plot . I let the characters drive the story . But it was so beneficial to really deep dive into what does the plot look like and how are the characters driving it , so that I could just make this well-rounded , hopefully , book .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I think ideally they both work together .
Speaker 1So I think it's like you said no-transcript because I'd been thinking about them for so long . But yeah , with some of my other characters I think it was just trying to figure out , like , who was going to be in my story . It wasn't necessarily building the characters that I found difficult , but like trying to build my cast and how they would be different and how they would be on page together . That was something I struggled with was like , if I have a huge cast , how am I supposed to like have them all together without it feeling overwhelming , and how do I tell everyone apart and you know who needs to help Ashlyn get to the end of this ?
Speaker 2yeah , from like a character growth standpoint and a plot standpoint . So what was like ? It give us a highlight of like how did you manage that large cast ? What was one thing you did ?
Speaker 1I think I remember talking to you or maybe it was one of the like Story Lab members but I was just basically asking questions of like okay , I have such a big cast , like how do I orchestrate all of them ? And it was just simple . It was just like , oh , they could just say something here . And it was just simple . It was like , oh , they could just say something here . One , one piece of dialogue there . It really doesn't have to be too much , and it just gives you like a snippet of their personality , because in my brain so many other things are happening for them . But yeah , we're going to make it onto the page , and so that was . It's so simple , but it was just like mind blowing for me and because you have so much in your head , you're managing so much .
Speaker 2Yes , it sounds like you were like trying to create , or almost . The
fix for you was knowing how and when to spotlight those characters versus I need to show everything at all times ?
Speaker 1Yeah , absolutely , and I think that's true , like in my personal life , like I am just always over explaining . I've been told I'm an over communicator , and so I definitely see that within my work , too , of trying to figure out . Ok , I don't have to say every single thing , but I do need to show in very unique ways , like showcasing these people and spotlighting them and their personalities , to really have the reader see how different they are from each other .
Speaker 2Yeah , which I think is actually a great skill , because it's like you still were able to explain and get that information across , but you had to learn how to do it in a really creative , like concise way . So I think that's a great skill to have going forward . But OK , so then let's . You did like you know . I know the character work and the outlining work was kind of like we finally got us over the hill and now we're just writing . And you said that when you showed up to your desk , I heard you say something magical , which was that it wasn't really about like what to write every day . It was more how , what does my process look like ? How am I going to show up and do stuff ? What was that like ?
Speaker 1Trying to figure out my process and my routine was difficult at first . I definitely in Korea , I didn't have , I had like a couch and I mean we have a very small department , so I had a couch in my laptop . I would sometimes go to the cafe and I created this routine of like , okay , cafe culture in Korea is so cute , so I would go to a cafe and I'd get a cafe . Yeah , I've been to like the zoo cafes as well . They're so fun . So , yeah , I would take my my stuff , I'd get my coffee and I would sit in there and I'd write for like at least an hour and that was . I love it .
Speaker 1I had already gotten to the point where I knew just writing , just write every day , and that'll be good for you . And then then I got into the editing process and then the routine changes . So it's just trying to adapt and see what works for for you and like I'm , you know , a new author . So now I'm getting back into my writing and I'm writing every day right now and trying to see how that looks , with like marketing as well and juggling everything . So we'll see what the routine looks like now as a published author while writing .
Speaker 2Yeah , I think the key is what you said , though being flexible and knowing that things can change , whether it's year over year or editing to writing or whatever . So I love that that's your approach , and the one thing that I think listeners are really going to pick up on is that you still haven't said I didn't know what to write . Every time I sat down , you knew what you were going to do . You just needed to find the process . So I know before you were saying like I'd get to chapter four or five or six and then I'd kind of stall . That's a big difference , right .
Speaker 1Right , right , right . And even even now , like I think I mentioned earlier , I'm have my outline for book two and I am kind of following it . But I'm also letting my characters kind of drive certain parts of the story and so it's really nice having an outline because I can just reference that and be like okay , I know that these are some points I wanted to hit , but it doesn't look like this exact scene . It looks like now because , based on what I wrote yesterday , maybe things changed and I just learned to adapt to wherever they take me .
Speaker 2Yeah , I love that and I think for the you know diehard pantsers or maybe even the plantsers , that kind of lean more on the I don't want to outline side , that is so key to just remain flexible in all things first of all . But when it comes to your outline , and are you keeping keeping your outline updated as you go , or are you just kind of saying it's a roadmap and I reference it as I go ?
Speaker 1I do a little bit of both . So I like to add comments into my outline and I did like move a couple of scenes around recently . So I do definitely update my outline as I'm writing . I might not , as I get closer to the end , just because I get like a steamroll moment where I just I can't stop writing . I think the last day that I wrote the first draft of Hunted I wrote like 10,000 words in one day because it was the climax .
Speaker 1I was so excited and I'm also within my draft adding notes I think you call them magical revisions my draft adding notes . I think you call them magical revisions . And so I'll go back and I'll be thinking I already am not in love with the beginning of the story , but I'm just telling it to myself and it's my first time writing a second book in a series . So I'm trying to add in you know , all of the reminders from book one and I know there are things I'm just not hitting in this draft . So I'm going back and I'm adding comments like OK , I think here you need to add X , y , z , so I do TK rules as well .
Speaker 2Love it . So notes to future , gina , in your outline and I know that you said one of the other things in notes to novel was this or that helped you was this idea of writing forward . And I think , like probably some listeners out there , their minds are blown right now hearing you say I just leave myself notes and I keep going and you're so relaxed about it . Was it always that way or is that like a kind of a new behavior after you went through book one ? Tell me about that .
Speaker 1You know , I actually adapted to it really easily because my constant was always going back and editing and that was not working for me .
Speaker 1Like going back and editing a couple of chapters and then only writing up to chapter six , like that . It just wasn't working . So when I started leaving those notes and doing those magical revisions or just saying like add , in a fun scene here with these people because I just couldn't think of anything at the time and just keep moving , it's great . But it's kind of like , um , then when you get done and you're going to edit , you didn't help yourself out a lot , but you helped yourself out a little . But as far as the creative process of the first draft , I find that so free to just be able to keep writing and just keep moving forward . And if I want to make a change I'll pretend
, like you said , I'll pretend that I've made it and then just keep going with the story .
Speaker 2Yeah , and it's not the end of the world . I know a lot of people think like if I don't have it all figured out , it's going to be the end of the world , my story is going to fall apart , and it's like , no , usually that doesn't happen . I mean , in rare cases , sure , it could happen , but it usually doesn't happen . The further you go , usually you find out more and more and more , and so then you're able to answer those questions and plant the seeds and all those things in earlier scenes .
Speaker 1Yeah , and I also think it's probably one of the most efficient ways to write , and I really love efficiency , so it works for me too .
Speaker 2Yeah , and so , speaking of that , you said your outline took four weeks and then your draft took about six months to a year , right , the outline took about four months , at least the first month .
Speaker 1Ok , this for book two . It only took a month . But I also now am coming into this thinking like , ok , I know what's going to change . My very first kind was almost a zero draft , like I was basically writing skeletons of scenes and this was like I think you know these people are going to be here and you need to at least hit this like emotional point and that's what we need to hit here .
Speaker 2Yeah , I love that . So it's kind of like , as you pick up the tools and use them , you find different ways to use them , but similar ways to use them . But it gets easier to use a tool like an outline or whatever it is . So that's super exciting . So I like that . A . Your timeline in the beginning is pretty good and tight . I super exciting , so I like that . A . Your timeline in the beginning is pretty good and tight . I mean , a lot of people would love to outline in four months and then write their book in another six to 12 months . I think that's awesome . But now it's getting even tighter . So almost a quarter of the time you spent outlining book one was spent outlining book two , and we'll see what happens with your draft of book two . Yeah , that's pretty cool .
Speaker 1The only thing I haven't done and I think I rushed that outline a little bit just because I knew like camp naNoWriMo was coming up and I wanted to write for all of april book two there's so many new characters , so I have spent some days where I am literally just I'm building like a character spreadsheet at this point because there's too many to keep track of and I can't remember everybody's eye color at this point and I've made I pull , you know art from Pinterest . So I have a visual at this point and I have , like built these little family trees . It's awesome . I think I didn't do prior to drafting , but I'm kind of creating these characters and coming up with their names as I'm drafting and I just take an hour or two to kind of set myself up with what those characters look like and then I jump back into my draft .
Speaker 2Yeah , and that's an investment in your series anyway , because you're going to need to use it later , so I think that's awesome , okay . So one thing that people say often when they're writing book two is that there's kind of like different pressures , new pressures with it , where , a I wrote a book that some people really like and now am I going to live up to that ? Or , b I've kind of written myself into this version of what needs to happen in book two and now I'm stressed out . Are you feeling any of those worries going ?
Speaker 1into book two . I think I'm definitely feeling both . You know , I have a decent following of people who really enjoyed book one and the prequel novella , and so I'm really blessed to have that . But there are things that I probably should have done , like actually plan the entire series . I had a very loose idea of what each book looked like , and so now I kind of wish that maybe I had planned some of these other characters out a little bit more prior to really publishing the first book . But I'm also kind of like okay , this is the world and these are the people and this is the magic system , so you can deal with it what you will , but those are the rules that I've outlined for myself . So in that regard I'm kind of like all right , well , that's what it is and you deal with it and you figure it out , just like your characters have to figure it out .
Speaker 2Yeah , and it's funny because I think , no matter what , whenever we finish a book or publish a book , we're always going to be like , oh , there's something I wish I could have done better . So in my mind I'm like , okay , that's always going to be there . At least you wrote a great book , people are liking it , you're happy with it , and so , you know , could be worse , right ? Yeah , exactly , I love that . And so if we kind of pivot now , so both your novel and novella are out in the world , we will , of course , put links to those in the show notes . Marketing or publishing wise , was there anything that stood out to you that , like you didn't know before , that you want to impart on listeners who might be doing this for the first time ? Um , man ?
Speaker 1I don't know , because there's still things I was just listening to your most recent student spotlight and learning stuff myself about , like BookBub . So , as far as marketing goes , I primarily am doing social media , which is not my favorite . But just where I live and the fact that I don't necessarily like live in Germany or pay the taxes it's all a military thing it's just a little bit harder for me to be able to like get into a local bookstore or , you know , go to events , because I'm in Germany , like it costs a lot of money to try and go to , say , even the UK , to be in some sort of event there and promote it in that way . So I am primarily relying on social media and I have taken a couple of courses but really , with the algorithms changing all the time , it's so difficult to keep up with it and I think really you and several other authors have really pushed like email subscribers is the way to go and that's kind of what I did with the novella .
Speaker 1As far as the arcs , I really wanted to find my target audience . I didn't use things like NetGalley just because I won and technologically inept and didn't understand it when I looked into it . And two , I just really wanted to focus on finding my target audience and with the novella I didn't have an application . I just said if you subscribe to my newsletter you'll get an arc of this , because it was like 160 pages .
Speaker 1It's not that much . You know . I knew I was making sales for that and relatively unknown , but what I was trying to do was just build my subscriber list . So in that regard , maybe that would help people in the future .
Speaker 2But as far as I think so yeah , yeah I mean I part with social media .
Speaker 1I don't have a lot .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I mean that's . I still think you're making a great effort on there too . So , for anyone listening who wants to see what Gina's done , I think you have done a great job and I do think it's smart to focus on your email list and , of course , there are ways to get creative about how to get your book out there , whether it's BookBub or whatever you want to do . But I think you've done a great job so far , Gina , Thank you . And if you look at your novella reviews , like you have glowing reviews on Amazon and I mean I think there's what just under 100 at this point .
Speaker 1Yeah , under 100 at this point , yeah , so on Amazon I think I'm at like 40 reviews for the novella , but on Goodreads I'm just over 100 . And I think that's happened recently .
Speaker 2So that's really exciting that I had that . That's so exciting and that's all like a lot of . It is probably from those ARC readers that you found and you know , I know that ARC readers are sometimes hit and miss , where some of them will show up and read the book and do great things for you and then others goes to you , I'm sure , right yeah , but I had about like 400 subscribers sign up when I did that call for for the arc for hide , which was great , but , like you can see , I've only got like a hundred uh or so other views , and with hunted it was definitely different .
Speaker 1Like I wanted to focus more on finding our readers who are really going to like , give me good feedback . However , I had like 90 our greeters , which was way different from Hyde , but I got about 50% of them to actually review it .
Speaker 2So , even though it's not a lot of reviews , the percentage wise has been wise has been that that's great , yeah , and I think you know sometimes we discount the amount of things or reviews or whatever , but if you have 50 people in your house , that's a lot of people , right ? Exactly . So there are also people listening who are like gosh , I would love to have 50 reviews on my books . I think that's amazing , gina , and it's not like your launch week , was it ? You're going to keep promoting your books and getting people into your email list , so sky's the limit is what I like to say . But OK , so let's pretend that you're kind of giving yourself at the beginning of your writing journey maybe not quite at like 12 , 13 , but let's say in like 2022 , when you really wanted to take this seriously . What would you tell yourself now , with all your hindsight ?
Speaker 1I'd probably just tell myself that it's okay not to set such high goals for yourself . At the very beginning , I feel like I was pushing myself really , really hard and setting very tight deadlines
for myself . I have since learned to spread that out a little bit and give myself some wiggle room .
Speaker 2Yeah , allow for life to happen , because life does happen . Yeah , how hard we plan , right .
Speaker 1I will just want to let everyone know and remind everyone that everyone writes differently and you shouldn't eat someone's yum and just write how you write . You know , just enjoy the process , enjoy the experience . You know everyone's different and that's OK .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's totally OK and totally celebrated . So I think that is great advice . And , gina , it has been so much fun to have you on today and let everyone know where we can find you around the Internet , and we will also include those links in the show notes .
Speaker 1So I am on Amazon . My books are both on there and on Kindle Unlimited . I am on Amazon , my books are both on there and on Kindle Unlimited . And then I am on Instagram and TikTok and I have a Facebook group and , of course , you should subscribe to my newsletter Love it .
Speaker 2Okay , we will paste all those links as well as where you can find Gina's books , her novel and novella . And maybe , at the time this comes out , I don't know book two we'll see , but thank you so much , gina , for being here . Any , I don't know , book two , we'll see , but thank you so much , gina for being here . Any last parting words ? No , I think that's it . Thank you so much for having me .
Speaker 2All right , so that's it for this episode of the Fiction Writing Made Easy podcast . Head over to savannagilbocom forward slash podcast for the complete show notes , including the resources I mentioned today , as well as bonus materials to help you implement what you've learned . And if you're ready to get more personalized guidance for your specific writing stage . Whether you're just starting out , stuck somewhere in the middle of a draft drowning in revisions , or getting ready to publish , take my free 30-second quiz at savannahgilbocom forward slash quiz . You'll get a customized podcast playlist that'll meet you right where you're at and help you get to your next big milestone . Last but not least , make sure to follow this podcast in your podcast player of choice , because I'll be back next week with another episode full of actionable tips , tools and strategies to help you become a better writer . Until then , happy writing .