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So every once in a while, on a fairly regular basis, I'll do 72 to 90 hour fast and it's amazing how your body just eats up all of these free radicals and all these different things and you realize your body's amazing. You just got to put the right things into your body and let it go to work.
Speaker 2:For her it was all a matter of balancing and she also believed, and I think that younger people are more open to this, maybe, than people in my generation who are just more used to kind of experts telling us what to do, but the idea that God in his creation has provided and that in the world, on the earth, he has provided us with what we need to be healthy.
Speaker 1:When these young people are coming, Lila, into the church, we have to make a connection with them into this whole vision. In other words, here I am with my own experiences in my own life, and then here's the church, right, and they're trying to figure out how these come together, which you just said is so important. You mentioned she was a mystic, she was analytical and yet she was very practical. And she studied sciences and earths, and herbs, and all these things, and so this is the beauty of our faith, isn't it you?
Speaker 2:want a child. Well, if you give us money, we'll get you a child. No, god has a plan and a purpose. The closer we stick to his plans and his purposes, the better off we'll be. And I am afraid that we are heading towards having I mean, we're already not a healthy society like. Physically we're not healthy, certainly mentally and spiritually we're not, and I'm really afraid that we're just going to have another generation where that even the babies don't have the veriditas as St Hildegard would call it.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the Become who you Are podcast, a production of the John Paul II Renewal Center. I'm Jack Riggert, your host. Today. We're going to do something a little different.
Speaker 1:As most of you know, I was a professional chef for many, many years. I still love to cook, and especially love to cook healthy. And not only that. We've learned through the years here, especially the last five or 10 years, that our food and medical institutions are not doing. They don't have our best interests in mind let's just put it that way and it's very important for each of us to start to take care of our own health. With that in mind, we're going to be talking about St Hildegard's Garden Recipes and Remedies for Healing Body and Soul. You're going to meet a doctor of the church. There's only four women doctors of the church and she's one of them it's very exciting actually whose wisdom on health and nutrition will aid you in everything from better digestion and sleep to improve mood, memory and pain relief.
Speaker 1:So here with me today is Lila Marie Lawler. She's a wife, mother of seven, grandmother of many. She lives in central Massachusetts. She encountered Christianity in high school, entered the Catholic Church in 1979, the year she was married to Philip Lawler, noted Catholic author and editor of Catholic World News. I'll give you a couple more tidbits about Lila. She practices kitchen sink philosophy on her website. Like Mother, like Daughter, I poked around there a little bit. It's really good. She writes on everything from cooking, education and recovering what she and her daughters call the collective memory. We'll have to hear what that's about Her book, the Little Oratory, which she wrote with David Clayton, a Beginner's Guide to Praying in the Home. Dr Scott Hahn said some nice things about it. He said it's one of the most beautiful books he's ever seen. It's inspiring yet practical, realistic yet revolutionary. If one book has the potential to transform the Catholic family and society.
Speaker 1:This is it. That's a big deal coming from Scott Hahn. It's amazing. And, lila, before I bring you on, we have a lot of young people joining us now Behind me is a sword, that's a Claymore sword. We have an apostolate within our apostolate Claymore Miletus Christi, soldiers for Christ, for all these young men especially, and all the people that love them, and they're stepping up and they want to know more and more and more. Let me just mention one or two other quick books here Her book God has no Children, and the reason I want to bring this up.
Speaker 2:No Grandchildren, no Grandchildren no.
Speaker 1:Grandchildren Thank and the reason I want to bring this up— no grandchildren, no grandchildren. Thank you for that. A guided reading of Pope Pius XI's encyclical Casti Canubi on Marriage. And when you read that document, which I read parts of it not too long ago, it's still important.
Speaker 2:In fact, it's incredibly important, maybe one of the most complete explication of the church's teaching on marriage. It is still the most complete, and so what I did was I did a guided reading of it, because it is a little tricky to read, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, thank you for that. So, with all that said, look, it's a pleasure to have you on. I'll just tell our audience that you were a little late getting on, so we're taking our breath here a little bit, and I did a long intro so Lila could relax a minute or two. It's crazy how our world gets, but Lila, it's great to be with you.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1:So tell us this With all the books that you've written, all the articles, all the blogs, we're actually going to be talking about a book that you did not write. It's published by Sophia Press and I do a lot of things with Sophia Press myself, so tell us how you got involved in this.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 2:So this book actually is written by Paul Ferris and he is a Frenchman. It was written in French, it was published in Italy and they translated Sophia translated for our audience and they asked me to write the foreword. And you know, that was so obviously very flattering and also just exciting and a little bit I was also a little cautious, because Saint-Hildegard is often misunderstood, so I was careful. I was kind of like, well, what are you? What is this book about? What are you going to say? And actually they sent me the text of it, they sent me the French version, and I was kind of like, okay, well, do you, do you have a translation so I can look at it. And they're like, no, not yet. And I said, okay, fine, I'll read it in French.
Speaker 2:So I did read it in French, which takes me a little longer, but I did it. And then and I said, yes, this is good, I, I'm excited about this. So I wrote the foreword and you know they asked me I mean, I gather that Mr Ferris doesn't speak English and would be in a different- very different time zone and you know so I think, yeah, they just basically were like would you go and talk about it?
Speaker 2:So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, it's a pleasure to have you on, because I've met your husband, phil Lawler, at a friend's house and out in the suburbs of Chicago at one time, but I never met you, so it is a pleasure, and please tell Phil that Jack Riggard with the John Paul Tour Renewal Center said to say hello.
Speaker 1:So tell us a little bit about this book. What got you excited? I'm actually. I didn't get a chance to go through everything in the book but, like I said, I'm a professional chef. My parents were both professional chefs, my grandparents were professional chefs. And so I stepped away from it about 25 years ago. But I still love to cook, and especially when you start to talk about medicinal herbs and different ways to heal your body, I mean it's very important stuff today.
Speaker 2:Yes, the interest in herbal medicine has risen and you know you alluded to our experience, especially in the last five years, where we I think a lot of us did kind of say, well, hold on, wait, what is it that? Do they have our best interests at heart? Why? And it's so interesting because I actually got stopped on the street a couple of years ago where we were in Maine, and this lady who had met me at a talk somewhere, she said, I think I know you, you're not going to remember me but then right away got into a conversation about how she never really had questioned things that, especially about her children, but that during the lockdown time she, like the rest of us, had time to look things up and question and investigate more. And she said, you know, her trust was really shaken and I think that that is true for many people. And it's very interesting because the herbal remedies are very old and they're really being rediscovered.
Speaker 2:It's not like, oh, here's some random things, it's actually not only ancient remedies that do work and even a lot of them have had scientific studies done on them and it has been affirmed that, you know, in trials, in tests, as opposed to like the clinical world of just how you treat your family, whatever that they do have an effect, but also that the pharmaceutical industry itself uses a lot of the compounds that are in the herbs. A lot of what they are doing in their medications does derive from the herbs. However, what it is is an industrialized version and then very often compounds that are extracted and taken into, given in a form that maybe is not in its context. So a lot of times with the herbs that are effective, it's because they're effective within the whole plant.
Speaker 2:And so just getting the knowledge of foraging them yourself or knowing, if you're buying them, where they come from, versus a synthetic analog, that's you know some company and maybe even there's even been. You know, when we are ordering supplements, there have been some concerning reports that those supplements are coming from abroad and that we may not even know whether they are what the label says. So yeah, for me it was funny because basically I think it was midway through lockdown I said you know what? I have herbs, culinary herbs in my garden and I really want to have a medicinal herb garden too. So I started ordering seeds and I started looking things up and, yeah, I kind of went down that rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, it's important. You know, the more I learn about the human body, you know, look, I got into John Paul's work and he brings me in this theology of the body, and the more you study the actual body itself, the more miraculous it is. Every once in a while, on a fairly regular basis, I'll do 72 to 90 hour fasts and it's amazing how your body just eats up all of these free radicals and all these different things and you realize your body is amazing.
Speaker 1:You just got to put the right things into your body and let it go to work For sure.
Speaker 2:So St Hildegard. So she's a 12th century saint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tell us about her a little bit. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2:It century saint. Yeah, tell us about her a little bit. It's fascinating. It is so fascinating and, yeah, it became interesting in her back in 2012 when Pope Benedict canonized her and then made her doctor of the church. And that was so fascinating too, because to think that there was this ancient saint but she wasn't canonizedized that was so interesting yeah, it is interesting what took.
Speaker 1:So do we know what took so long?
Speaker 2:no, I don't know. And then I think it's because there are saints I mean, this is my, I don't really, I haven't really investigated but I think it's because there are saints who everybody just accepts as saints and you know, the canonization process is like the official word this is a saint, but there are many saints who are revered.
Speaker 2:But to make her a doctor, though I know so then he was like she's a doctor of the church and I remember kind of thinking okay, well, what's going on here? Is it a kind of a sop to women? You know the DEI of like this pantheon or whatever. So I was a little skeptical. But then when I read what he had to say, then I started looking into her and I was like no, she's the real deal. Hildegard is by far one of the most stratospheric minds.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 2:A person of very great energy and intensity. She entered the monastery, or she went to live at the monastery, when she was very young, because her parents took her as a child. She had intense visions that almost killed her, like she was so, so in tune with the mystical world, but at the same time her mind is extremely analytical world, but at the same time her mind is extremely analytical. So then she became, eventually became abbess, and I like to say that you know, she basically grew up as a Benedictine. It was that way of life, that spirituality permeates her whole being.
Speaker 2:She was the person who, as the abbess, was responsible for not only the nuns, over whom she had authority, but for the whole community. She was so interested and interesting that she wrote letters and corresponded with the great figures of her time popes, emperors, cardinals, all sorts of people and so she had her pulse on everything. She was a theologian, a philosopher and a healer, and the the thing about the medieval approach is it is a very holistic approach, as the ancient view in many different cultures and that's so important, what you just said, because because when these young people are coming, lila, into the church, we have to make a connection with them into this whole vision.
Speaker 1:In other words, here I am with my own experiences in my own life, and then here's the church, right, and they're trying to figure out how these come together, which you just said is so important. You mentioned she was a mystic, she was analytical and yet she was very practical and she studied sciences and earths and herbs and all of these things, and so this is the beauty of our faith, isn't it? And I'm speaking to these young people again, lila, as they're coming in you know, the beauty is that it's about everything. It's about what we touch, what we feel, what we taste and also know that these are tiny little tastes that God gives us of this big taste, right, as we start to go deeper and deeper into our faith. So everything you said there is so important.
Speaker 2:So that's really the medieval image is of a hierarchical construction of the cosmos, and that every level of the hierarchy of being is reflecting the one below and above. The ones below reflect the one above, and so the human body also is a microcosm of this, and so it has to be in balance. And she systematized it's not that she invented things, but she systematized what she knew, what she had observed and what she had been handed. And she had a whole approach that you know was so interesting because it really was about observation, so looking at the person, trying to get information from what you are observing.
Speaker 2:And she had a particular word that she coined, I think, to express what this living force really is in its connection with the whole cosmos, and she called it veriditas. And her whole healing system is based on veriditas, latin. You know that at the root of that is the idea of a green living source that either you know you have a good amount of or it's failing in you. And you know when she takes into account, like how the patient is looking, the sunshine, the rest, the warmth, the coolness, so she had that balance between warmth and chill, and then the humors, and so for her it was all a matter of balancing and she also believed, and I think that younger people are more open to this and maybe than people in my generation who are just more used to kind of experts telling us what to do, but the idea that God in his creation has provided and that in the world, on the earth, he has provided us with what we need to be healthy.
Speaker 2:And the plants are there and she studied them and she used them. And again, this is all knowledge. That was there, it was handed down, it's things that that people in different cultures, whether Chinese or what have you know, but she put it in the context they knew a lot, and she put it in the context of the faith.
Speaker 2:And that is what's so important to me, because today I think that because we as modernists we've kind of separated ourselves from the natural world, I think that the New Age kind of forces have co-opted the natural world and we need to reclaim it, because the natural world is created by God and God has a purpose and that purpose is exhibited in this hierarchical view of nature. It's not binary, it's got a pattern and an order.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's amazing. And getting back to something you just said earlier, when you kind of laughed a little bit about, you're probably a baby boomer, right, are you a baby boomer?
Speaker 2:At the end. Yeah, I'm at the tail end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess I'm a little bit more than at the tail end, but I have brothers that are younger than me that are at the tail end and and anyway, I have more gray hair than you do. It's just. It's just a light. I'll turn a little sideways and I haven't come in. But, here it is Lila, so so what I'm when I'm speaking to young people, you know. You mentioned maybe we just followed the experts, right, because we trusted.
Speaker 2:We trusted yeah.
Speaker 1:What happened since COVID it was happening before that, but certainly since COVID is that these young people are looking around and realizing that the experts don't know everything. And in fact, many of the experts and I'll just be perfectly blunt they lied to them. And when you hear that and you wonder, okay, I'm being lied to, they told me you know, to look at this. And now I'm addicted to pornography, to drink this, and now I did, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And how do I get out of this? Well, they're sensing something wrong, and that's the beauty of what you just said.
Speaker 2:Especially because the main thing that they have now, the main paradigm that we are given in the health world, is that it's a paradigm of a machine and the idea is that the machine is fundamentally flawed and that it needs to have these periodic you know, and I mean I don't know like injections, that you know like you have to have your fluids replaced or something. Yeah, and we're even worse a computer. And so the idea that you look at a healthy baby and you say for this baby to survive, we need to give it 72 injections.
Speaker 1:It's amazing.
Speaker 2:There's something there where. So I feel like if St Hildegard were there and looking, she would say well, it's true that human nature is flawed from the fall. At the same time, our bodies we're given an intellect and we're given a body, and our bodies actually have the ability to heal themselves. And you know, my son-in-law is a surgeon and he says that one thing you learn in surgery, in practicing surgery, is that one third of the time the surgeon is really helping and one third of the time the body is healing itself. And the surgeon is kind of maybe even when he's helping, he's kind of just trying to get the body to heal itself, and one third of the time he's actually harming.
Speaker 2:And I wish that more doctors settled that humility, because the human body will repair itself. But it has to be brought into balance. And that's where her vision and her understanding really comes in, maybe to help us overcome this other image we have, which is not a good image, that we're just a machine that breaks down and somehow we need expensive pharmaceuticals to keep us going. That does not seem right to me?
Speaker 1:No, and you know the sad thing and what we found out my youngest daughter is a doctor and what you find out is they spent so much time just learning to use some type of a pill right to fix everything. So I'm going to ask Lila, you know how do you feel today. Okay, I got a pill, I got a prescription for you, do they ask?
Speaker 2:you if you have had rest.
Speaker 1:Do they ask you how?
Speaker 2:much you go outside.
Speaker 1:Or how do you eat? Yes, right, and do they?
Speaker 2:sit and look at you. Do they look at you and say how does she appear? What is her viriditas Like? This is not something that is normal in our healthcare system and it needs to be. And the thing is that we especially need to get away from this idea of that if we're healthy, we need injections, because that's not how it works. Sure, if you're sick or if you have broken a bone or something, then yes, you need intervention. Then we have to ask what the quality of that intervention is. But if it's just that we're healthy, well then it comes down to yeah, what are you eating? Are you going outside and getting sunshine? Those are the important things that we have to do for each other.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, you know I'm going to stretch this just a little bit again for these young people coming in, kosti Kanubi, that we just mentioned earlier. We work a lot with NFP theology of the body, talk about IVF, and so it's the same thing. I had Dr Hildreth on from the Paul VI Institute and when you use something like IVF, you never go to your point underneath and find out what's really affecting a woman's body, right? What is her health?
Speaker 1:All we do is we want to manufacture a solution, and I don't want to go too deep there, but I just want to say even that, right, I know people that are coming into and looking at NFP just to get rid of these chemicals and stuff affecting their bodies.
Speaker 2:Sure, and even, let's take even a step further back. Besides just that, ivf doesn't address the problems of infertility at all. What about saying how can it be good for a child to be conceived outside of its mother's womb? So right there, right there, we have to say our humanity, not to mention the divine end that we are supposed to be aiming for, demands that we follow God's plan. And God's plan is that the child be conceived in its mother's womb. We can know some things about that process. We will never know all the things that he has intended for that process.
Speaker 2:And when you start tinkering listen, even if we were talking about a machine when you start just willy nilly tinkering with that machine, you are going to break it, and in ways that you might not know until way later. Like, oh wow, I was driving down the highway at 75 miles an hour and I realized what that screw was for. And this is with the, with the child. It's like we can't look at a child and say this is a kind of machine and we can manipulate it and oh, you want a child? Well, if you give us money, we'll get you a child.
Speaker 2:No, god has a plan and a purpose. The closer we stick to his plans and his purposes, the better off we'll be. And I am afraid that we are heading towards having I mean, we're already not a healthy society like physically we're not healthy, certainly, mentally and spiritually we're not, and I'm really afraid that we're just going to have another generation where that, that even the babies don't have the veriditas as St Hildegard would call it to. Isn't that the least that we could hope for is like, oh, we're just giving a baby a normal life, like just normal health, and sure, like there will be ups and downs and that's what the you know people who are called to be doctors they should be focused on. Oh, if there's something really wrong, we will help you. But the idea of we're going to now manipulate things against God's plan. I think one of the most fundamental things that we can know about human nature is that God's plan is that the child be within its mother's womb from that conception.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the reason and how does this fit together? Okay, it sounds like we went off on a couple of tangents, but we didn't, and the reason I wanted to bring and thank you for that the reason I wanted to bring this in is that when somebody is new coming into the church, what I've learned and what you're expressing right there is that that you know you're finding out. All these human experts don't always know as much as they think they know and so if I'm new coming into the church, I am going to trust. Now I mean, this is the idea I have to trust some higher authority. And when we walk into the church, what I always tell young people look at it and tell you, spent a little more time in the church and figure things out. Just trust her. Try trusting her, because your life you're in the church, because you're tired of what's going on behind you and in your own experience.
Speaker 1:So now you step into the church and so this is the beauty and I want to get back to the book here a little bit and St Hildegard, but this is the beauty of it Just trust, right, because there's a lot of things we don't know about our own bodies that we just talked about.
Speaker 2:And so the beauty of God's plan right.
Speaker 1:The point is the bottom line beauty of God's plan.
Speaker 2:Of his plan, of which he is quite the apostle, and in the book. So I think that you know there are. I mean, I myself personally own several books that are more like encyclopedias of herbs and their remedies and their uses and so on. This book isn't exactly that. What it is is a beautiful book that looks lovely on the table.
Speaker 1:Yes, it does.
Speaker 2:And it has my foreword, which speaks about how to approach her. Maybe because we have some preconceptions in our modern time, even about the fact that she's a woman, we might think of her as some sort of rebel. And she was not a rebel. In fact, if you go I say in my forward if you go to like one of the main websites, if you just type in St Hildegard, you'll come to a website that says she's like a pioneer of feminism, which is ridiculous because because actually she submitted totally to the hierarchy of the church and some people claim that because she preached, she went out into the square, she went out into the world and preached about God and the Trinity, about our Lord Jesus Christ and about his blessed mother. And so they think like, oh, because she was a woman, this made her some sort of rebellious figure, a pioneer of feminism, but actually she preached at the invitation of two popes. So this whole paradigm of, like the conflict between men and women, she would laugh at that and think that that was silly. So that's the kind of thing I talk about in the forward.
Speaker 2:And then there's the introduction by Paul Ferris, which is a biography of her, which is very interesting and goes into some of the achievements that she had and people say, oh well, these achievements were unusual for a woman. Well, they were unusual for anyone. She was a completely unusual person there. Really, I think there's probably only one or two men in the whole history of the world that were like her. So I don't it. Just for me it's a meaningless category. And then there is a whole long segment that has these beautiful if I can hold it up and people can see.
Speaker 2:So these beautiful prints, which I find actually very useful, because sometimes a picture, a photograph that you might look up if you were looking something up on the internet and you see a photograph, it actually isn't as helpful in identifying the herb as a print that shows you the root, the way the flowers look and the way the plant looks at different stages of its development, the seeds and so on. And then there are excerpts from her writings about the particular plant. Then there's another section that's remedies. So taking a lot of the plants she spoke about and saying what they're good for, and those go beyond what you might find if you were just doing a search for them online, because she has again, she's looking at the whole person, including their spiritual outlook. So she is often saying what the use of the plant would be for the spiritual state of the person, as well as for their health, which is we need that, and it's true.
Speaker 2:So I'll give you just a quick note. It's so interesting because when I was thinking about my medicinal garden and I was thinking about planting things purposefully in my garden, I realized, oh, actually, a lot of these things are literally weeds. They're literally things that I do not need to plant in my garden, because they just grow in the brush or what have you down my lane and I can gather them at will and it's really not a problem. And one of those things is goldenrod, which is something that I use a lot in my remedies. It's just an all-around wonderful herb that comes out in the end of summer.
Speaker 1:Isn't that something?
Speaker 2:And I will say, like just to this point of the physical benefit of the herb and the spiritual. So goldenrod is very good for your overall health, for urinary health, for all sorts of things and allergies. But I noticed I would dry it and put it in the jar and then when I went to get it to make a tea I would open the jar and I would smell it and I would just have such a sense of well-being. The scent of the golden rod just gives you a wonderful sense of happiness and well-being and it's kind of like we need that.
Speaker 1:And I think that grows anywhere, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all out there, I think I have it around my house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, Now I can use it. So, so when we're talking about this book, we're talking about it's actually going to talk about St Hildegard herself because, she's fascinating to your point. And again, when I'm thinking about these young people, I mean it's amazing how much, the more you look into the church, the more you see these gifts and these people coming in as gifts.
Speaker 1:And when you're talking about. You know the church doesn't, you know, respect women or whatever, and you see this, you know her, St Catherine of Siena they went around talking to, like you said to popes, to, you know, wrote writing letters to everybody. It's amazing that they have. God brings them into this, into this beautiful story and and and you know they're exemplary. I mean it's amazing beauty that they bring to us.
Speaker 2:Yes, for sure. And if we can just kind of get over this idea that everything's in conflict and instead and this is the beauty of the churches to see that we're meant to cooperate in that.
Speaker 2:And that's the medieval mind. The medieval mind is about cooperating both with other people and with nature and the cosmos. And so I mean she had the Emperor Barbarossa writing to her and saying, could you give me medical advice? And there was no conflict there. Yeah, I think that if we're looking at the church and her saints, we just find think of it as like pockets and corners of like. I had no idea there was this person and she's so wonderful. Then the last section of the book is recipes, actually.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was going to ask you. Thank you, I was going to. I bet you I would have forgot about the recipes, and that's important to all of us right Now. Let me ask you this, lila with the recipes, do we have to grow this stuff ourselves? Or somebody like me can pick the book and say I want to make this. Can I go out and buy those herbs? Can I find them around?
Speaker 2:I mean some of them, some of them. So, for instance, the one that I want to try is honey-filled iris rhizomes. So I think people have irises in their gardens and they multiply and eventually you have to divide them and you can pull up some of those rhizomes which are very close to the surface and prepare them and mix them with honey, and that would be a remedy for frenzy, nervous crises, excessive excitement, tremors, palpitations, and then there are things Isn't that something Like heart palpitations?
Speaker 2:Yes, Heart palpitations. Yeah, isn't that something? Yeah, and I mean, if you looked so this is some-. I haven't ever looked into, like, what heart medications are, but I bet if you looked into it you would find out that there was some derivative of these plants in those medications. So, personally, I would rather go to my garden than I know has not been sprayed or anything.
Speaker 2:Then there's a here's a recipe chestnuts with sage butter. Now, I don't make my own butter. Maybe some of our listeners have a dairy cow. That would be awesome. I wish I had a dairy cow.
Speaker 1:Or a friend with a dairy cow. One or the other, yes, right.
Speaker 2:And actually. And then it calls for chestnuts which I suppose you would buy. But actually I do have chestnuts on my lane. They are Chinese chestnuts and some years. If the weather has been right, I can go collect them.
Speaker 1:And I love sage, I love sage.
Speaker 2:You said chestnuts and sage Sage is very easy to grow and in my zone is zone 6A, and the sage comes back. It is perennial. So I definitely these things are easy to grow. That's not a problem growing sage. But you can buy it for sure. You could go to the farmer's market and get the sage.
Speaker 1:So we're getting a lot in this book and again we can buy it from where From?
Speaker 2:Sophia, that's the best place to get it. Yep, sophia Institute Press. You can get it wherever you get books.
Speaker 1:You know I just want to put a plug in for Sophia Institute Press and I'll make sure again I have it in the show notes. Sometimes it's going to take a little longer to get to you. It even might cost you $1 or $2 more sometimes, but it's worth it and it may not. It may not.
Speaker 2:Their shipping is pretty fast. I have to say. They ship things really fast, they're great.
Speaker 1:So if you're feeling good today, not only about the book but about these Catholic publishers, and try to support them, anyways, that's just all I'll say about that. Because I love fast things and you know whatever too.
Speaker 2:But in this case, haven't you found that Amazon has gotten super slow?
Speaker 1:Well, let's say no, I haven't found it, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter. Maybe it's where I live. They're really slow.
Speaker 1:Today we have a special on Sophia Institute Press and I love them and they do some incredible work. It's worth going there, lila, isn't it? Just to explore the books? And they can find your books there, too, can't they? Yep, yeah, so well, guys, we're going to start to unwind here a little bit. I'm going to give you the last word, but you're such a joy and thank you for taking the time, and I think you know this book has got so many things in it, but I think, just for young people coming in and old people, all of us coming in, and getting to know this doctor, the church fascinating person bringing us some you know, just to read what she was doing and these natural ways to live and take care of your body and some good recipes back there, you know, I'm definitely going to put this book to use myself.
Speaker 2:I hope so. Yeah, yeah, I always say health care is 90% or more in nursing care. The people in the family, the mother of the family needs to know how to take care of her children. The resources are all around us. So the book, I think, is very helpful in that.
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