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I'm with Tom Hampson today, crime investigator, crime journalist. We're going to talk a little bit about the Somali welfare scandals, but from a from an angle of exposing Minnesota's moral decay, because the what happens is with the Somali immigration, the Biden's open border policies, for the young people that are listening, the government forced confiscation of your earnings from your hardworking middle class in general, from your families, the politicians, the NGOs who are prone to selfishness, corruption, power, using that money to buy votes, to pass on to illegals in a lot of ways, so they could buy houses, cars, travel, wine, dine. And I know how many young people don't have the money even for their own apartment. The injustice the government is doing, handing on these massive debts then to you, a culture of corruption passing on to you. And where's your chance? Where's your chance to get ahead? That's what you're asking us. And they say the only way to do it is for all of us to stand up, for these young guys to stand up with guys like Tom and I and millions of others. You know, what we have in common are a couple things. You know, it's Christian roots, because with Christian roots, you want to do the right thing. What is the truth? And how should I act? How should I choose the good? Not greed, not corruption, not buying votes. And it's very difficult in this corrupt system that we're in right now. The corruption is so deep, so vast, it blew the doors wide open right now with the Somali problem up in Minnesota. Tom, is it not injust what we're doing, handling on these huge debts to all of us, but especially to these young people? And if they don't stand up, we're on a precipice here with our country. We see these in the votes, even though Trump got the majority of the electorate, the electoral college, it wasn't by much. You know, each state, each area in general was only by two or three percent. And the amount of voting fraud, et cetera, et cetera, we're going to clean up some of that, but then we need this, these young guys to stand up. I I remember G.K. Chesterton, Tom, you know, he was asked, you'll probably remember this, you know, what's wrong with the world? And he said, I am. It was one, it was just that was his answer in the newspaper, I am. And that's if we all said, I am the problem, because I'm not standing up, I'm not doing the right thing, and I'm letting this this blatant corruption all around me take us down. And talk a little bit about Somali uh for our viewers that haven't followed this. I you know, I and I'll tell you why I'm saying it, Tom. If you just listen to the mainstream media, you're not hearing a lot about this. You you have to have the right channels. This is but this is blowing up, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Yes, it is. Because it's been over the years, I guess as the whole thing started, uh, or the current publicity, the uh Minnesota scam with involving the Somalis goes back to 2014. And during that time, they've estimated it's between seven and ten billion dollars has been ripped off. And it could be much higher. There's some people are saying that it could be doubled that, which is very possible because every government program that is available to people for some kind of assistance has been co-opted by this Somali group. Medicaid and health services, special education, autism, providing special services, autism. There's been an explosion of uh federal money that's gone in to support autism, daycare services for for the people that that need it. Um individual uh food delivery to people, individual meals to hundreds of different locations where where they're they created an entire mountain of false uh claims about how many meals that were supplied. They never supplied any meals, and so it was you're talking about the government reimbursing them for expenses they claimed that were never made in the first place. So it's all pure profit for these people. This is so this has been going on since 2014. The reason that there's been so much focus on this is because it's a single group of people. There's a si sing uh community subculture that is ripping off the state of Minnesota and the people uh of the United States. But this is happening in every community. It's not it's not just in the Somali community up in Minnesota, it's happening everywhere. And the the the the biggest problem, I think, is that there's too much government money being spent. The bigger the government is, the more money they spend. What I found in my career is that the more corruption you're gonna find. Illinois is probably the most corrupt state in the country. And so if if the problem is going on up in Minnesota, you know what's going on in Illinois as well. Illinois, California, New York, California, all these places where there's massive amounts of government money, combined with that, there's a lack of transparency on where that government money is being spent. You have no idea who's on public welfare. You have no idea. Once the government money goes out to one of these nonprofit or for-profit corporations, you have no right to review what they're doing, like you would with a uh federal agency. You can seek an FOI. If they if they refuse to provide you the information, you can go into court and and force it out. You can't do that with a nonprofit or with a corporation. So there's no transparency, which makes the corruption even a greater possibility. Basically, the community has to trust that what's going on in these places, the government is watching, watching over this money and making sure it's being spent correctly. Well, they're not. And they never have been. This is my entire 50 years of investigation. I found we found Medicaid corruption, public aid corruption 50 years ago when I was doing investigations. We would report the the fraud to public aid or to whatever agency is overseeing a particular program, and they would do nothing. Nothing. And that's going on today.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but the difference today, Tom, is the government has expanded tremendously. Right, yes. And it's it's it's like a cancer that's accelerated now. So the cancer started with a tumor and it's starting to grow, starting to grow, starting to grow, to the point now we're printing money. We're just printing it out of thin air.$37 trillion. I mean, that's a that's a lot of zeros, Tom.$37 trillion in debt. We're gonna be paying a trillion plus in interest alone. And so when you start paying that kind of money, it you know, people don't realize a trillion dollars is is more than than the uh than the gross national product of most countries. And we're waste, we're wasting, we're wasting so much money, Tom. The the money that we're sending in, I mean, what you have any idea? Is it$18 billion or something with all these all these welfare agencies and stuff in Minnesota just in Minnesota received, and they say half of it, up to half right now was pure waste.
SPEAKER_02:Pure Well, yeah, but it's not it isn't just those agencies. You got the Department of Agriculture, you got the you know, you got all these other departments that provide some kind of welfare assistance. All of them are involved. They're scamming all of them. And just on Medicaid alone, just to give you an idea, the concept of the expansion of the government money going into things. In the 1980s, Medicaid was in the tens of billions of dollars, something like 20 or 30 billion dollars, something like that. Do you mean the total billion dollars?
SPEAKER_03:Wait, so the total cost of Medicaid, somewhere around how what was the initial somewhere, it was in the tens of billions.
SPEAKER_02:I think it was like uh 30 or 40 billion dollars.
SPEAKER_03:So, how much later is this now? How much later is the cost of the city? Now today, today how many years later?
SPEAKER_02:45 years later. It's$800 billion last year that was spent on Medicaid alone. Now, this has been multiplied, this has been multiplied across every agency where there's been just an explosion of public assistance that's being provided by different government agencies, largely without any supervision. One of the things in Minnesota, for example, that I noticed in uh reviewing a lot of the material was this Nick Shirley did the an investigation of several.
SPEAKER_03:So let me let me just stop again for for young people that that haven't heard this before, and old people. I we were talking to older people, Tom, that that had no idea this was going on. So I really suggest they get on X, and and X is not perfect, you know, because you're gonna get corrupt people there too, but you gotta but you can pick out your sources there. That's the this is the thing. You you pick out your sources there, you start to understand and start to you can follow people, certain people. And they're gonna bring you the right news. So this Nick Shirley, uh this young reporter, uh, how old is he, Tom? Like 29 years old or something. He's like 23, 23-year-old reporter.
SPEAKER_02:He has his own uh podcast.
SPEAKER_03:So I just say this. So so young people, go to X and go look up Nick Shirley and then Tom, go ahead and and and talk about him a little bit. What's he is exposed that nobody else has been able to expose for some reason.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, he got connected with some guy up there who's been looking into a lot of the fraud, and so then he did a podcast on it, and he went around to all these different places with this guy to check out daycare centers and health services, and and he said his son Joey, he needed to try to find a place for his son Joey. So he exposed all of this stuff that was going on. Now, one of the things I noticed was that in in these in these daycare facilities, they're all they were all in it in downtown areas, they had all the windows were blocked off, you couldn't see what was going on in there. They wouldn't let you in, they wouldn't let them in, they wouldn't talk to them about what the rates are. And then on top of that, the thing I noticed that that uh actually nobody followed up on is that every daycare center has to have an outdoor play area for kids. There has to be like 50 square feet available for every child that's in the daycare center. So obviously, they're not gonna have it in the the play area is not gonna be approved in a parking lot, so they had to have some other place where the play area is. Generally, they have to have a plan for where they're gonna take the kids every day for the outdoor play area time, and that plan is then filed with the license application. Well, those plans, the the a government employee is supposed to go out and physically inspect the daycare center and their play area before they ever issue a license. Well, there's no indication that any of these places had any play area. So, what that tells me is that the licensing people didn't even bother going out and checking these places out before they issued the license. Now, why is that? So it could be just laziness or incompetence, or or it could be that they they were bought off.
SPEAKER_03:The Somali population around Minneapolis, St. Paul is about a hundred thousand people now. Right. And so they're c they they're supporting them, these politicians supporting them, because they know they're gonna vote as a block, a hundred thousand people you get, and that will keep you in office, in power. And so there's the amount of of fraud coming back to this populace, and like you said, these aren't the only ones, they're not the only ones to blame, but it shows how this corrupt system gets going, right? You you give me all your votes. I want to show you, Tom. I I want to show, and and this corruption is so deep that these same politicians that are standing up now. I'm I'm gonna show you a clip of uh Peggy Flanagan. Peggy Flanagan is the lieutenant governor in Minnesota, should now be running in 2026 as for us for the state senate seat. And these people are so corrupt, Tom, that this I'm gonna show you a clip of she's doubling down now. She's got the heat jab on, you know, this this Muslim. I'm surprised she doesn't have the burqa cover in her face, but she doesn't. And she's standing between two two of these, you know, and these look at it. It's not every Somali is corrupt, but you know, they know what's going on in their own communities and stuff. And these these uh child care centers, these feed the poor, they're just fronts. A lot of them are just storefronts. That's what you know that they won't even let you in. They're probably, you know, got a the family in there and they're they're cooking in there and eating, but there's no kids in there. And so, you know, it it just blows your mind. Well, here I want to show you a clip of her doubling down, and I just want to uh talk a little bit about her before I bring her on. Now, she's standing there with this hijab and you know, and and supporting, and she's a radical feminist, Tom. She doesn't believe any of this. This is the point when you watch this. She doesn't believe any of this. She doesn't believe a woman should be a second class citizen, you know, forced marriages. She's not going to believe any of this stuff. The other thing is she's rapidly pro-abortion up to the day a child can be born. I mean, here's a woman that's so corrupt, so evil inside that a baby can be nine months pregnant up in Minnesota, and they they sign laws that say that you can abort that child right at that point. She is uh supporting a trans, they're a trans sanctuary state. That means that a little boy that's confused about his sex and and and his parents don't agree, they he can actually go there without parental notification, my understanding, and and be put on puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, rendered sterile, basically, mutilated their bodies. And this is the corruption that these people uh are are like. But yet the the Muslims don't stand for all that stuff. This is you know, but she's in bed with them too. When your heart gets this twisted and distorted, Tom, it it's a mockery of of what it means to be a human being.
SPEAKER_01:Salaam alaikum. Uh my name's Peggy Flanagan. Uh I am the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota, and I'm really honored and humbled uh to be here with all of you uh today. I am incredibly clear that the Somali community is part of the fabric of the state of Minnesota. Um I think about my friendship with NIMCO. Uh, we've been friends for almost 25 years. Um, and when I think of uh being part of Minnesota and growing up here, the Somali community uh has always been a part of my Minnesota. So I want to just encourage uh the community uh to know that uh we're with you, we've got your back. I am here um shopping today, and just encourage other folks uh to show up, um support uh our Somali businesses, uh support our immigrant neighbors. Um, and I know that things uh are scary right now, and just know that there are more people uh who are looking out for you, there are more people who are here to support you uh than you know. I will continue to stand with the Somali community uh to be with you and to do uh all I can to return the friendship um and uh community that the Somali community uh has shown me. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_03:I would call her a nutcase, but yes. Well, she's she's worse than that, Tom. I wish it was just a nutcase. Tom, I can't listen to any more of that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's pretty disingenuous, and she is not uh you can tell just by the way she is that she has no sincerity in her at all.
SPEAKER_03:No. I'm I'm gonna bring you up one more thing uh right away here because I want to show you what they're doing. I want to show you what they're supporting now. So so this is this is uh this is our friend again, uh Peggy, Peggy Fleming and and her government up there. Can you see this, Tom? Does it come up on your screen? Yeah, I see it.
SPEAKER_00:In this week's episode of Coming to a Classroom Near You, we look at the new requirement to teach ethnic studies in all K-12 schools in Minnesota, which must be implemented in 2026. Ethnic studies includes three distinct standards identity, resistance, and ways of knowing and methodologies. The Center for Race, Indogeneity, Disability, Gender and Sexuality Studies at the University of Minnesota, or Ridges, is converting these new ethnic studies standards into free lesson plans for school districts. Ridge's self-declared mission is to challenge systems of power and inequality and imagine social transformation. Let's take a look at one of these taxpayer-funded lesson plans from the U of M. This first one is for sixth graders or 12-year-olds and fulfills the ethnic studies resistance standard, which instructs students to organize and describe how individuals and communities have fought for freedom and liberation against systemic and coordinated exercises of power. It's called Protest Art and the Movement for Black Lives. Designed to take place over three days. The lesson focuses on the movement for black lives and the role of protest art in mediating power in the city. Students will watch a video about George Floyd Square produced by Unicorn Riot, a nonprofit left-wing media collective that films Antifa and Black Lives Matter rallies across the country. Students will also learn how local artists responded to the death of George Floyd during the 2020 riots through mural art. Students will create their own protest art for a cause of their choice. They will even research where in the city the art could go. One of the suggestions for protest art from the U of M is defunding the police. Next, they will work through the Black Lives Matter Principles Activity Book, which features all 13 Black Lives Matter principles and definitions. The principles reflect the organization's thoughts on families disrupting the Western prescribed nuclear family, right? And transgender affirmation to dismantle cisgender privilege. Again, this will be coming to all Minnesota public schools beginning in 2026. When ethnic studies was presented to the Minnesota legislature in 2023, it was portrayed as the study of different cultures, students seeing themselves in the curriculum and learning honest history. But like so many other familiar terms, Minnesota's version of ethnic studies has been hijacked to apply a liberated approach to understanding our world. Minnesota students deserve a robust education that includes learning hard historical truths and frank discussions on where this country has fallen short, not one that is confined to a narrow, politicized and ideological.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, Tom. It's you know, you and I have talked about this many, many times. I mean you know, give give give us your impression on what you just saw there between both of the this this uh Peggy Flanagan and then what she's pushing into these schools. It's all related. You know, this corruption is just all related.
SPEAKER_02:I never heard the term indigeneity before. That's one of the things that comes into mind.
SPEAKER_03:But I the thing that that's that both of them. You know, they make up this these terms, Tom, and and and they push this down, just like these LBGTQIS plus, you know, I mean, who who these are all new things that are being invented in real time to push some type of narrative that they have.
SPEAKER_02:These programs, these ideas, you know, ideas have consequences, and and these programs and ideas need to be completely wiped away. We just shouldn't even bother ourselves with them because when people come to this country, yeah, they can bring their food uh preferences and things. Like that, but in terms of their culture, they better adopt to our culture because we're not changing to theirs. I don't want my kids growing up thinking it's okay to, you know, to conduct uh female circumcision and or that they have a right to tell the tell the women that uh you know to shut up and walk behind me and that all these kind of things that these other cultures bring with them. They also don't have a right to come here and say, well, that we have no God-given rights. Our country was founded on the basic principle that we have God-given rights, that we are a Judeo-Christian country. And if you don't want to come here and adopt that kind of culture for yourself, then don't come here. And that's what the position that we should always have.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you saw part of that curriculum is is queering. You and I have talked about queering. And what does that mean to you know LBGTQ? And queering is a total disruption of everything that's normal. It just twisted and disordered. These children are being. But they're taught to be activists. Right. And so what they hope is within now they're they're putting the Somali kids through this, they're going to be indoctrinated to the point that they're activists that want to take down not only everything that we stand for, like you just said, but you just saw it there. They want to take down the nuclear family. What does that mean? The nuclear family is a mom and a dad with children, and their primary job is to raise those children in a loving home and educate those children. And now, Tom, we're just being indoctrinated into pure evil. And the last thing, again, just remember that these are the same people putting this through that want to destroy and murder a child up until the very moment it could be born into this world, totally viable. And also take a trans, a child that that is confused about their sexuality, tell them an impossible thing, right? That I can become another sex. And it doesn't matter if I'm a little boy and you castrate me, Tom, all I am is a little boy that's been castrated. It's a sickness, actually. It's a really sick. Right.
SPEAKER_02:And every these children in school are being indoctrinated in every one of these areas to become activists to promote them. I'll give an example. During uh COVID and they had the Black Lives Matter riots over George Floyd's death, the whole scam of that thing is just unbelievable. They got tens of millions of dollars, every one of them are now being investigated, criminally investigated, for ripping off tens of millions of dollars for their own personal use. So it's a it's a it was a complete rip-off from the beginning.
SPEAKER_03:But the Black Lives Matter founders, they got caught with two and three multi-million dollar homes around the LA area, and none of that money went into any Black Lives, you know, except for the United States.
SPEAKER_02:Look at all the work they did, though. They deserve that kind of compensation, right, Jack?
SPEAKER_03:And here you famous school curriculum, Tom. Comment on this. That's actually pushing Black Lives Matter, which is a neo-Marxist, a Marxist organization which wants to destroy the nuclear family and and the and the structure, the Christian structure, foundation of our country.
SPEAKER_02:And it's evil to the Chinese Communist Party. It has connections to the Chinese Communist Party. It's a it's a completely destructive organization. And yet, during COVID, when schools were closed, kids couldn't go to class. They were having riots in the street, even though we weren't supposed to be outside. We're supposed to stay inside. We had teachers all over the country, including in my area right here, that took kids out onto the onto the corners of roads with signs about Black Lives Matter and justice for George Floyd. All over the country they were doing this stuff. So they couldn't go to school. The teachers refused to teach because of the danger that was that of getting uh contracting COVID, but they arranged to get these kids to come out there with them and protest. Now, this is a kind of propaganda and indoctrination that we cannot tolerate in this country. And and there's so there's plenty of things parents could have intervened and said, no, well, if you're going to take my kid out there for activist purposes, you can take him into school and teach him how to read and write.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but but don't forget now, and let's just let's make this clear don't forget that when the Biden administration was in power just last year, they weaponized the FBI and other institutions to go after those parents that would do just that. You know, I remember that father that was arrested at a school board meeting because he was he was standing up for his daughter who was raped by a trans, I don't know, is it a trans girl that that walks into a woman's washroom who's a boy? Yeah, trans woman. From my understanding, raped and or sexually assaulted two girls, one in that school, and then went to another school and raped this girl, her dad shows up, and he is arrested.
SPEAKER_02:Well, yeah, because he stood up and and they told him they told him his time was up and what he said wasn't true, and get out of here.
SPEAKER_03:And I't I'm telling these young guys that were to were listening today, Tom, that whether they knew it or not, we were on we were on such a precipice that if Biden administration, Kamala Harris, etc., or if this Gavin Newsom gets in, you will see the same thing that's happening in the UK now, where if you stand up or put something in social media against this stuff, they will come to your home in the UK today and arrest you. And they were doing that in the Biden administration. I I know Mark Houck, who who has seven children, they had 21 SWAT people, FBI and SWAT, come to his house in the middle of the night. A Christian Catholic guy who who never had one record, I don't think he even had a speeding ticket, was praying outside of an abortion clinic. They wanted to go after him, and they arrested him.
SPEAKER_02:He was interfering with people going into the clinic. Come on, now you know that's the law about that.
SPEAKER_03:Actually, he didn't do that. What happened was I know I there was a guy got in in the in the in his his son's face and he just told him to back off, and he said that was that was what's the term, Tom? Uh when when somebody pushes you or you know, that's assault, I guess. Yeah, some type of assault.
SPEAKER_02:A battery, actually. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The assault of ripping little babies out of a woman's womb, that's okay. But man, if I stand up for my son outside when some grown man, this is a teen a young teenager, when a grown man's in his face, a father's gonna get in between, right? And say, hey, talk to me, don't talk to my son. You know, but anyways, Tom, this was going on.
SPEAKER_02:It's amazing that the administration, people in the administration that did those kinds of things, are now saying that the Trump administration that does no such kind of thing is being called the the Gestapo.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. This is unbelievable. So let's tie this, Tom. I want to tie these these two points here. These aren't just two separate points. These are corrupt people that are stealing or at least facilitating stealing for votes, if nothing else, these politicians allowing this corruption to go on, allowing this open border policies. Again, I don't want to throw every Somalian under the bus, but you know this, Tom, as well as anybody. That's a corrupt country. And those people are so used to corruption that you take whatever you can get. And so when they come here, that's what they that they're they're their culture's telling them this, right? Just take whatever you can get. When you when you bring people in and you infect a you infect a community like Minneapolis, St. Paul with this, there's chaos, Tom. You lose all the order. There's chaos. We did our podcast that came out uh previous to this one. Everybody should go listen to that one because we unpack some of this stuff. But at the end of the day, is this not a corruption of the individual human hearts? And and unless we unless we defund all of this kind of stuff, it's not just a matter of replacing bad people. We have to take it down. We have to take these systems down because because and I want you to comment on this, you know, the government is never supposed to be running all of this, food banks and giving all this money away. We're supposed to be taking care of the poor ourselves. But if the government takes all my money, Tom, I give them the money. They inefficiently spend it for votes, and that's why they want control of our money. That's why they don't want me to have any money left so that the my church and my family can go help our neighbor. You can't even afford to help your neighbor anymore, Tom, because the government confiscates your money.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, if they took a lot less of it, you could you could do more. But the thing, even the way things are now, even if they're even if they're uh if they continue at uh the way they're doing, you could could cause these programs to evaporate or to expose them more as corrupt if the churches actually would go out and provide these services on their own. Corporations and the government have taken over everything. You look at the education institutions, the hospitals, the the mental institutions, all all these helping kinds of organizations that are out there. They all were started by the church. The government didn't start them, businesses didn't start them. So the church sacrificed its involvement in these in these organizations because of the the pressure for more money. I don't know why the churches gave that up. I just I don't understand it. The churches are not supposed to be in business to make money. And they've turned these over to corporations. You know, my my uh father-in-law is is in a is in a nursing home. He's almost 103 years old, and the nursing home he was he was in went bankrupt, so then was bought out by another one, and the agreement that he had, all the money that he paid in, is no longer needed to be honored. And so because now what do you do? You know, you've already spent all your money to get care that was supposed to last you your lifetime, and and uh it's gone.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So it's I want to I want to leave. So the thing is there's a need for the churches to take these things back over to get rid of all the corruption that's in the system.
SPEAKER_03:Unfortunately, we we we now have a situation where the churches are in bed far too often as we report it. But I want to leave people I want to leave people with some hope. And the hope again gets back to G.K. Chesterton's thing. I am. We're seeing people really stand up, Tom. And and I and again, I want to reiterate that every one of these people that I know that are standing up, and I and I'm sure there are maybe are some outside of this, most of them are Christian patriots. And what does that mean? To be a Christian, first of all, puts you have to try to do the right thing yourself, number one. Number two, you have to stand up for marriage in the family because because when kids grow up without families, there's so much dysfunction that comes in, Tom. They're easily indoctrinated by this, right? We have to be the primary educators of our own children to bring these morals and values down. Then what has that got to do with with patriotism? Well, this extends out to the nation that the country and the laws, the culture, the laws itself should be supporting marriage and the family, supporting true education, building up the individual people, but we're seeing the whole thing come down. And again, Western Europe is just a little ahead of us. All you got to do is look out at Germany, look out at the UK, and you could see the decline of this super immigration, bringing in all these foreign people, destroyed the culture, destroyed the country. These people, though, they gave up their Christian roots themselves, and then they allowed this evil to come in. And unless we really see this and just call it what it is, and each one of us stand up and do the right thing. But when millions and millions of people say, I am, we can change this thing, Tom. If not, then then uh this will spiral, uh, this will spiral down. Any last comments before I I want to bring up one clip of of this incredible man that's running, Royce White, who's running uh for a Senate up in Minnesota. And I and I the clip that I'm gonna show you is very short. Doesn't really do him justice. Again, I would suggest people go to X, uh, look up Royce White and listen to some of the things he's saying. He's a he's a young man, a little uh uh a little older, a little more seasoned as a model and a mentor for these young guys, Tom, and and how you can make a you can make a difference.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I think the young people, first of all, have to stop tolerating other cultures. We need to we need to promote our own culture, our own founding principles, what we believe in. And if somebody comes in and says, Well, you gotta respect my culture, it said, No, I don't.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_02:You don't have to do that.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_02:I don't go to some other country and say, Well, you gotta become like we are in the United States. If I did, they would over there, they they would be much less tolerant than we are here. So I think young people have to start with that position right there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Let me let me play this clip, and and again, it just shows you hope. And there's more and more of these uh the these young uh men standing up, and and young women too in in in many cases.
SPEAKER_04:American politics is captured by special interests and lobby money. It's it's captured by uh uh the sta a status quo of corruption. That's why I told you.
SPEAKER_03:Wait, I don't understand. Like are you running to shine a light on it? Or I'm confused about that.
SPEAKER_04:No, I'm running to represent the truth. So your representatives, wait a second. Your your representatives, your political candidate. If your political candidates only goal is to win their election, they've already failed you. Your political candidates from the time that they declare to run for an office should be to inform that you're running the case. Should be to inform the American people of the highest formation of truth about the politics of the time. But not not just informed, though. Like obviously you say you uh get a political no wait a second. No, no, no, no, no. Everyone, hold on. Every political candidate is educational.
SPEAKER_03:You have no it is you have votes in in the Senate, you have votes in Congress. No, wait a second.
SPEAKER_04:So like make change and write bills. Well before you're ever elected, every political camp, first of all, like there's more responsibilities than just inform. I'm just saying, no, no, no, no, wait a second. It's sequential. It's sequential. Every American political candidate, before they ever get elected to office, runs a political campaign that should be educational for their constituents. And if you're in a nationwide race, the entire country. But they're not, though. You can say you don't disagree, but how many political campaigns have you really learned something from? How many political campaigns have you actually learned something from? I mean, I feel like I I think they're all just a bunch of cookie-cutter bullshit. Meant to pander to the the the constituency they plan to extract votes from. I I don't even talk about issues in terms of you know what what sample size or or what focus group thinks these issues are more important or more electable than others. I think that entire thing is a part of the theater. That's what's happened to this country. They're gonna control focus group uh a set of questions of what's most important to Minnesotans. I don't give a fuck. I minus uh there's a you you if you're an American citizen and you've been conditioned to want to hear what you want to hear versus what you need to hear, you have failed this country as a citizen. It's not the politician who can't construct uh uh a bullshit uh uh you know a bullshit pitch to satisfy your need for uh uh you know uh political propaganda. If you would much rather hear what you want to hear versus what you need to hear, you have failed as a citizen. And if the collective of citizens are conditioned to that uh standard, that expectation of political candidates, and that's why the country is the way it is.
SPEAKER_03:It's amazing, uh Tom, that you know, I I don't know if if he can win, but he's a deeply Christian man. And what he's saying in essence, and again, I I said, you know, uh unfortunately it's just a small clip, you're not gonna get everything there. But what he's saying is there there's you know, you have to support marriage and the family he's gonna bring out. You have to speak the truth. You can't be in it just for the money, and and you can't be pandering to every single I'm an LBGT, I'm a this, I'm a that, and you don't get anything done. He says, No, let's stand for the truth. It's not queering the country, it's not transiting our kids, it's not killing as many as we can. We have to speak the truth. And and I don't know if you can get elected in a state like Minnesota because I think too many of their citizens, and again, I you know I don't I don't know this for a fact, but the only fact I see is they're electing these corrupt individuals to represent them, and that shows a certain level of what uh Royce is speaking in there about that they're not informed, they don't understand it, and everybody's looking for just something for myself instead of speaking the truth, and what we call the common good, right? What is good for our culture, what is good for our people, what is good for our families.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think one of the problems that we've had in this country is that in the last 20 years, it actually has been like twenty, twenty-five years, where there's this notion that's been spread around that diversity is our strength. That's made up. That's not true. It's just simply not true. Diversity is not a strength in and of itself.
SPEAKER_03:Amen, brother. Amen.
SPEAKER_02:What that means is in terms of what kids are being taught is that we need to accept all these different all these different ideas and we need to live amongst all this. No. There is one idea that started this country, and that was based that's founded in our founding principles. That we have certain rights, unalienable rights, that come from God, and that's what we are founded on. That's what makes us the United States of America. The rest of the country doesn't believe, or the rest of the world doesn't believe that.
SPEAKER_03:Well they do not they they they they believe it here because that's why they're coming here, right? I mean they believe it worked. They want to change it. Now, yes. But if you look at the people that initially came here, right? Oh, right, yes. They came here for what for you know for for that you know that that that chance of life, that chance to start all over again. That that chance that says, hey, you know, we could be anything we you know it it if I want to build up a business in the United States, if I want to make something of my life, if I want to raise children, it's it's a it's a safe environment, etc. etc. That's why they came here. When we lost all of that, Tom, and and this is what you're saying, of course, and this is what Royce was saying, when we lost all that, it's all diversity, like you said, we just become the the the country that those people you know fled from in the beginning. And and our heritage is linked, like you said, to you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Originally, after the country was founded, people were drawn here by the idea of the United States of America. People were drawn by the idea, and and uh the all these people that have been coming in in recent years have been drawn here by what they can get from America, not by being part of a system that's established by that that really we believe was established by God. I believe that God established this country to be uh a light to the rest of the world. And we are a light to the rest of the world, but that light.
SPEAKER_03:And you know, just to shed some additional light on this, we have more different nationalities of people in this country than any other country in the world. We're the most generous country than any other country in the world. But what happens to your point, and again, I'm just saying, reiterating this, Tom, for young people so that they understand this, you know, it's not the diversity of values and morals. When you come here, in essence, you know, if you come from a Christian nation, you're going to fit in here much easier and assimilate better than if you came here with with a say a uh a Muslim background, right? Uh where you don't understand the culture here. Now that doesn't mean that you can't assimilate into here. And that doesn't mean that you have to become a Christian either. But you have to stand up for those four those morals and the values. You have to come in here and say, I'm not here to grab what I can. I'm here to participate and actually be a producing member of the society and build up, again, marriage, the family, the person, individual human dignity, and also the common good of the whole country. I have to love the country. And you see representatives in Minnesota and all over Tom, they don't love this country, do they?
SPEAKER_02:No, and I think I think one of the first things we should do is get rid of dual citizenship, every kind of dual citizenship. Because you cannot be hold allegiance to two masters, can't hold allegiance to two countries. If you want to still vote in the country that you went what came from, then go back there and give up your U.S. citizenship. If you want to try to direct the United States to help your old country, then you go back to your old country and help them right there. I don't see that we should allow people to maintain citizenship in anything other than in the United States.
SPEAKER_03:All right, Thomas, hey, young people, uh, don't don't uh, you know, these are this is a battle. And don't be demoralized by this. This is a great time to be alive. You're gonna make a difference. And if you stand up and say, I am, you understand that you've been indoctrinated to think that the government is uh uh is supposed to take care of everything. No, you're your families, your marriages, you know, you get married, you raise a family, you stay together. The only way you're gonna stay together is if if if you aim at Christ in the church, you know, you see the dysfunction coming in through all, and then everything starts to come down, right? Everybody gets greedy, everybody gets corrupt, and these young people that grow up without families, they look to the state as daddy state, mommy state, taking care of them to the end, and uh and we see the corruption that comes out of that. In a perfect world, the state is supposed to fill in for people that do grow up, orphans or foster care, etc. You know, not everybody has it perfect, right? That's the only time the state should step in is if nobody else is there for them. But the first line of defense, even for those kids, is the church, other family members, uncles, aunts to take those kids in. That's the way it always was, Tom. When when my grand I of my four grandparents, three of them were orphans. You know, one of them was raised in an orphanage, a state orphanage, but the other ones were taken in by relatives and family members. And the one that grew up in that orphanage, that was brutal. That was brutal. And the people that actually took her out of there never loved her. They used her as farm work, etc., etc. Family members took in all the other kids, but she was the youngest one. The youngest two of them were put in into an orphanage. And he shows the injustice of what happens when the state takes over, Tom. It was some awful things that happened uh uh uh you know from there and then from the people that adopted her. We have to be there for each other, and we have to start to to be responsible for the for our neighbor, just like Christ said, and and we made this point in the last uh podcast, Tom, that Jesus didn't come in and say, Hey, the government needs to love thy neighbor. Right. But we said in there, we need to love our our neighbor. And and you give the government the reins, the money's gonna pour out and it's gonna be wasted, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Right. Well, I think the government is their role is to to protect us from being abused and exploited by others. That's what they're they have a their role is to be police. Their role is not to be uh the social worker for everybody.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and when you say police, that's really from from the exterior more if the federal government I'm talking about, from invasion, right? To keep it stable here. And again, the laws that they passed should be supporting all of the good things that we're talking about, starting with the individual child in the womb, marriage in the family. If they support that, Tom, and you have a strong structure of people growing up in a loving home, I get it, not everybody does, but that doesn't mean that's what we shouldn't be shooting for, right? Right.
SPEAKER_02:That's just the ideal. There's you're never gonna achieve the ideal, but the ideal should be the thing that we we promote and that we we reward and we strive for. Just because it can't be perfect doesn't mean you gotta scrap everything and say, well, we need a different system.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, God bless you, Tom. Thanks for being with us. Thanks, everyone. Talk to you again soon. Bye bye.