Join us, Kat and Moose, along with Producer Sara, on a rollercoaster ride through the quirks of being human. Imagine finding yourself in an unexpected situation with a rented truck, a crack pipe, and a bag of crack in the glove compartment. How would you react? That’s exactly the situation we found ourselves in. Oh, and let's not forget that unforgettable moment when Kat got naked in a hot spring.
We’ll first catch up with Moose, who opens up about the heartbreaking loss of her brother and how she navigated through the complex emotions that followed. It's not all gloomy, though. Trust us, you'll want to stick around for the hilarious recount of Kat’s first tattoo experience and the humorous banter with the artist. We also dive into the more serious topic of grief, sharing our personal experiences and the little things that have provided comfort during such times.
Navigating cultural norms and personal perceptions, we get into a lively discussion about body hair acceptance, inspired by Kat’s experiences growing up in Germany. Kat praises her friends who have chosen to embrace their body hair, exuding confidence and challenging societal expectations. As we wrap up, we reflect on Kat’s time in Colorado, appreciating the profound generosity of our friends Mark and Julie. So, buckle up for an episode teeming with unexpected discoveries, important discussions, laughter, tears, and the magic of human connection.
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Join us, Kat and Moose, along with Producer Sara, on a rollercoaster ride through the quirks of being human. Imagine finding yourself in an unexpected situation with a rented truck, a crack pipe, and a bag of crack in the glove compartment. How would you react? That’s exactly the situation we found ourselves in. Oh, and let's not forget that unforgettable moment when Kat got naked in a hot spring.
We’ll first catch up with Moose, who opens up about the heartbreaking loss of her brother and how she navigated through the complex emotions that followed. It's not all gloomy, though. Trust us, you'll want to stick around for the hilarious recount of Kat’s first tattoo experience and the humorous banter with the artist. We also dive into the more serious topic of grief, sharing our personal experiences and the little things that have provided comfort during such times.
Navigating cultural norms and personal perceptions, we get into a lively discussion about body hair acceptance, inspired by Kat’s experiences growing up in Germany. Kat praises her friends who have chosen to embrace their body hair, exuding confidence and challenging societal expectations. As we wrap up, we reflect on Kat’s time in Colorado, appreciating the profound generosity of our friends Mark and Julie. So, buckle up for an episode teeming with unexpected discoveries, important discussions, laughter, tears, and the magic of human connection.
Visit us on the Interwebs! Follow us on Instagram and Facebook! Support the show!
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast. I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2:This is the True Life podcast, where we explore the quirks of being human.
Speaker 3:Hey Moose, hey Kat, hey Sarah. Well, hey guys, my goodness, here we are.
Speaker 1:I mean it has been a minute.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly, our listeners are like well, fair, checking us it's. I'm having people knocking on my door going like, are you?
Speaker 3:guys, okay, and you're like how did you know where I live?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's been very interesting, but thank you for everyone who had concern for us. We are back.
Speaker 3:And we are okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we actually haven't been gone from life. We've just been completely incapable of the three of us being in the same place at the same time in order to record the podcast, because of life circumstances in the quirks of being human, which is what this podcast is about. And I just thought I personally feel like we're recording on a Friday, I feel like celebrating. Just seeing the two of you on my screen has just like filled my heart in my chest, which is such joy that I thought I would introduce to everyone the latest shipment from my LaCreme you know I'm a special person shipment, and this is their Russian River Valley. Oh, it's a brute rose. So will you pop a cork with me? Hell yes.
Speaker 2:Let's pop it Hookers, I mean sex workers, oh Yay.
Speaker 3:Isn't that fun? Wow, I want to.
Speaker 2:I wish you could pour us each a glass and pass it through.
Speaker 3:I mean, I just have some cured coffee.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's let's fill the people in. Thank you everyone for your love and concern and prayers. Part of the reason we were gone, my brother passed away unexpectedly and I have so much to say about that that I can't say about that. I had to call my sister this morning and say what am I allowed to say? And she was like not much. And I was like, oh, they'll shoot because I got a lot of funny shit to say around it. But but it is obviously sad. My brother passed, very sad, and it's been a very difficult thing to grieve because we have been dealing with really intense and crazy circumstances, something you would see on a TV show.
Speaker 1:honestly, I can't even tell you what TV show, apparently, but well, let me, let me ask you this late Are you inspired to write the screenplay?
Speaker 2:Yes, no, I am not. I thought about doing a podcast around this, but we'll have to wait and see. Honestly, I will say this I'll give a PSA how about that? And you can read between the lines Okay, so there are bad people in the world. Okay, we know this and I don't know if they're actually bad people, but they're doing bad things. And there are people who, when they are sick, they are vulnerable to these bad people. And I, and some circumstances happen like that with my brother, and you know it's been a weird three weeks, to be completely honest, and you know there's a lot still up in the air. But anyway, all that to say, that's part of why we've been gone. And then we got stranded in Louisiana, which was a whole thing.
Speaker 3:I mean this all happened. I mean, the last time we spoke on the podcast we were exuberant about uniting in Colorado together. We had all these plans and then her brother passed and so we made a slight detour down to where he was and spend a couple of days there. And once we wrapped up that, we resumed our plans to head to Colorado and instead got stuck in Louisiana and never made it to Colorado because we had to figure out a whole damn mess getting all of our stuff back to Nashville.
Speaker 2:One quick highlight is we had to rent a vehicle. A truck, to be exact, to get the RV from Louisiana back to Nashville, because we got stranded, because Sarah's dear beloved forerunner, latoya LaToya, her, her engine fell apart in the middle of Louisiana.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it doesn't work anymore. While we were pulling an RV.
Speaker 2:We actually slept in this really creepy parking lot. It's a lot. It's really traumatic actually. I'll deal with it later. But the point is we had to rent this truck and we rented it via Turo, because we are Turo people and you don't know what Turo is. Look it up and drove it all the way to Nashville to get the RV here and the day we are leaving to return it back to Louisiana. Because, it's true, you can only do one way. I happened to open the glove box of this truck and I can't make this up. I mean, I was. I am never speechless, as you guys know. I've always got something to say. I mean, Kat, you saw the picture. There was a crack pipe and a bag of crack in the glove compartment Like legit.
Speaker 2:Like not a weed pipe or whatever. Those are called Hard drugs. Hard drugs were in here and we drove 10 hours.
Speaker 3:We're just driving across the country with someone else's hard drugs, just drove 10 hours with crack in the glove.
Speaker 2:So I'm like panicked and I'm like oh my God, what do we do?
Speaker 4:What do we?
Speaker 2:do, what do we do? And, and you know like we got to get rid of it.
Speaker 3:Don't touch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Sarah's like, you got to text our friend who's a cop, so we texted her. Hey, this is our situation which was hit it. You'll get a bunch done and we were like are you kidding?
Speaker 3:What do we do with this? We did not hit it. That person told us to get rid of it Immediately. We did Not by consuming it.
Speaker 2:We did not, although we could have sold it, but we're not this kind of people.
Speaker 3:She did say, though, if we got pulled over with that, like there's no getting out of that, we would have been in jail.
Speaker 1:It's not mine.
Speaker 3:Like what? That is the classic response Right right, this isn't my truck?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she said. She said she's pulled people out of it. She said she's pulled people over with drugs and their pants and they go. These aren't my pants.
Speaker 3:My God, anyway. So we dodged a major one with that. Yeah, thank God.
Speaker 1:Okay, but I have, as usual, I have questions. Please Like so when you like. Were you looking for a Kleenex? Were you looking for like instructions for how to like do something with the truck? Like how did you, what made you, open the glove compartment to begin with?
Speaker 2:Well, I have an anxiety disorder and I'm constantly moving. I think I was just like bored and like opening the glove compartment. You were, oh no, I, we. I knew we were returning it and I thought I need to get all the shit out. So I'm opening, making sure we didn't stick things and things. You know what I mean. Yeah, so I opened that, even though I knew we didn't to look and that thing is staring at me, just sitting right on top, not in a little baggy like just sitting there waiting for the popo to pull me over.
Speaker 1:I, I'm just sitting there waiting for the popo to pull me over. I'm just so curious, moose, like I want to hear the like play by play. It's like you're checking the truck. You're looking in every little nook and cranny to make sure that that you haven't left anything in there. You open the glove box and what like. What is the first thing that happens?
Speaker 2:Well, I usually experience sound effects, honestly, which is very weird, but it was like this, like a cartoon, like you know, and like this shining light coming out of the crack pipe and I thought I really thought it's over. I mean, I also have thoughts like is that mine, which I know it's?
Speaker 3:I mean honestly, or I'm like who, how did that get there? Who planted that in our car?
Speaker 2:You know immediately, I'm the victim, of course, yeah, but I'm like somebody put this in the car last night, oh my God. And then like and then I just realized it does not matter who it belongs to. In fact it does not belong to me and I need to get rid of it.
Speaker 1:And so like did you go, get like a pair of tongs?
Speaker 2:Sarah.
Speaker 3:I did it. I'm like the one that gets, like you know, the bugs, the bugs, the, the half eaten mice that my cat brings home, the crack pipes, yeah, so I I opened the glove compartment and I picked. It was sitting on just the car's registration, like with their name and all the information, so I picked that up.
Speaker 3:I didn't even touch the drugs, I just picked up the paper and I had a court size Ziploc and I scooped it and put it right in there just like it was a dead mouse, zipped it up and then gently put it into my garbage. Can.
Speaker 2:I feel like we should have put it in a neighbor's garbage can.
Speaker 3:Personally, but no way. So it went out on Tuesday's trash.
Speaker 2:It does say that I have a guilty conscious, that I had a tiny millisecond where I was like is that mine?
Speaker 4:You know, like did I? Did I time travel?
Speaker 2:to a time where I am a crack head and and this is my pipe, you know it's like was there like a glitch in the universe that took me there and I'm like I like look at Sarah in shock and she looked at me in shock and I was like, is she blaming me? Is this hers? Is she a crack? I don't have a clue.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have never, in all my born years, I have never, ever seen a crack pipe in real life.
Speaker 2:Me either. Well, actually it looked familiar and I think my brother had one at one point. But then I said that to a friend and they were like it's probably like a marijuana pipe and I was like yeah, maybe the same brother. That no Different.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was like maybe, maybe in a parallel universe, you guys, you guys had a whole family business going on.
Speaker 2:I really often think am I Truman from the Truman show?
Speaker 3:You know like are you?
Speaker 2:guys screwing with me. Was that a way for the universe to be like do you want some little girl? You know, I mean right now I could put this in here and smoke it like nobody would know except Sarah. Oh my God, I'm so glad you didn't there was like three seconds and I was like this is Sarah's and she's been hiding.
Speaker 3:Are you kidding me.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm just being honest, not that I think you would ever, but you know, weirder things have happened, trust me. We've seen them. Oh man, so we?
Speaker 3:got the heck out of that truck as quick as possible. We turned it back to Louisiana, got a five star review. Thank you so much. Bye, bye. Yeah, so I had to go to the shop where La Toya, the forerunner was, was sitting. Which, by the way, that shop caught on fire while her truck was there While I was there, the shop next door to the shop, completely obliterated by a fire, and I'm like but it could not take her forerunner, that would have been the best thing ever.
Speaker 3:Are you sure it wasn't parked inside of the she's?
Speaker 2:like can you light it on fire and put it in there?
Speaker 3:Yeah, my forerunner needs a whole new engine and we ended up have whatever we had, to go pay for the diagnostic and then get it shipped back to Nashville on it with you know, 17 other cars on a big 18 wheeler.
Speaker 1:How do you even do that? How do?
Speaker 3:you guys know how to do that. I will tell you guys do not sign up for ever do it.
Speaker 2:First of all, just listen to me. If you need to ship a car, there is a company called Montway.
Speaker 4:And this is not a paid ad.
Speaker 2:And you should use the only reputable company for shipping cars.
Speaker 3:Everyone else wants to steal your credit card and information and possibly your car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they. It's truly like none of them were legit. That called us in this one. Actually the car arrived. Okay, so back to your life. Cat, tell us about Colorado, because we missed so much. I mean, really need to go now.
Speaker 1:And I had the best time, like I had the best time, just go ahead and rub it in. I really, really missed you guys. But I also feel like, after that story, anything that I can say about my time in Colorado. It just pales in comparison.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't matter, we're not compromising. I am Ha ha ha ha ha.
Speaker 1:But it's like as if we're like taking our listeners on this like ride of, like the podcast. It's like here comes the part where the car drifts into the station.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. Okay, I will ask you questions. Okay, thank you. I saw something on your arm that I would like to talk about. Would you like to share about that, oh?
Speaker 1:my goodness, yes. So, as you guys know, we've talked about this for years on the podcast. The concept that I have learned through Dallas philosophy called Wu Wei and loosely I mean it has a lot of translations because a lot of these ancient characters and languages meant several different things, you know. That's why I think people very grossly interpret the Bible, because it's like we don't know how to properly articulate Aramaic or Hebrew or Greek, because it's just different than the English language. So I got these Chinese symbols on my arm that depict Wu Wei, and Wu Wei means effortless action, it means being in the flow, it means basically like try to not try you know, yeah, and here it is Very pretty, looks so good.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I'm really loving it. I am at the tattoo phase right now where it feels like I have poison oak on my wrist.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I am like over here going like.
Speaker 1:No, but a wonderful guy named Devin. He did my tattoo. Do you have to say it like that? Devin, devin, devin, I think. Apparently I do, but it was a really, really fun experience. I've never gotten a tattoo before and I have to say it was really uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:Oh really.
Speaker 1:I'm sure right there, your skin is so thin, yeah, and I had to really like look at our friend Mark and I had to tell him a story.
Speaker 1:That was not a very interesting story but it's something I kind of needed to get off my chest. And so I told him this very non-interesting, very boring story and so that I just wasn't looking at the tattoo artist like while he was doing the parts that were painful. And it was so funny because there was a part of the story that has to do with this older person who might be joining me on this thing later this year and blah, blah, blah. And so I was expressing to Mark I was like the place that we got for this thing, you know, has a lot of stairs. And I was just talking to Mark like over here to my left and Devin was just quietly over here doing my tattoo and in the middle of our conversation Devin goes how the hell is she gonna get around if it's just stairs? So like he was listening like very intently to the conversation that was not very exciting and I just am absolutely thrilled.
Speaker 1:I absolutely love it and it has already served me so well. I think it's really important when things start feeling like, oh my gosh, what am I gonna do, I think, just to be reminded that, like nature is taking its course, life is happening, the earth is spinning, the universe is pulsating or whatever it does, and it just is not within my control. And I wanna be careful to not say that this is the same, it's just going well, everything's fine, right, exactly Because everything's not fine. It is really incredibly hard to be a human. I don't care what circumstance you're going through. Humanity being a human is really challenging at times, and so it's just been really lovely because I've dealt with a couple of things since the last time we've recorded that I'm like man. I'm really glad that I have this reminder right here for me to see whenever I need to look at it, so I'm very, very pleased.
Speaker 1:Thank you for celebrating my tattoo.
Speaker 3:It looks so cool. I love it. What else happened and what tells more about Colorado?
Speaker 2:Did you get naked in the spring, hot spring? Yeah, did you?
Speaker 3:get naked and go into the springs.
Speaker 1:I did yeah.
Speaker 2:You just let those boobies flop around in that water.
Speaker 1:No, I did, yes, I did in the water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did Wait do you walk how? I know I've asked you this before, but do you take your clothes off right at the edge?
Speaker 1:OK, so here's what we did is and not all of us went, just a couple of us went the female variety version of us, I know who you're talking about. Yeah, and so what we did is, at the house, we got completely undressed and just put a robe on in our sandals, and then we got in the car and we drove, you got in the car without undies on and without a bra on.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh my gosh. What if you had gotten in a wreck.
Speaker 1:I mean, then they would have had to have no surgical scissors, True? And so we just decided, like we're just going to go completely naked, just with our robes on. And so, you know, we paid and hi everybody, I'm here to check in, and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we walked out to one of the pools and they have these little like kind of coat racks or coat hangers standing out there, and we just took our robes off and took our sandals off and just got right in the pool.
Speaker 3:That's so awesome.
Speaker 2:OK, did you like put your arm over the boobs and hold them up Like I'm thinking about what I would do, and did you put your? Did you, did you use your left hand to be the fig tree for your downstairs?
Speaker 4:The fig tree.
Speaker 2:I mean the fig tree? Wow, just a whole tree. My goodness, what goes on in the downstairs no.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking like Adam and Eve and like a leaf. You mean a leaf A leaf, yeah. So, what.
Speaker 1:I did. Yeah, I need to know where your hands were yeah, what I did is I'm going to visually describe for you. So, with my left, forearm I hold.
Speaker 3:You don't have to bounce it. You don't have to bounce it.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's bouncing, oh, I'm bouncing. She can't help but bouncing. Ok, just for our listeners who aren't patrons, I will describe what's happening. Cat's left arm is across her chest. Her right hand is cupping her right breast. It's not.
Speaker 1:It's my right hand is doing nothing.
Speaker 2:Your left hand is cupping your right breast, that's correct and is bouncing it as we speak. Ok, now that we've got that visual, let's keep going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then with my right hand, I mean you guys know I'm visually impaired to begin with, so it's like I'm like climbing on these like slickery, slimy rocks, getting into a 104 degree pool, yeah, and so I very quickly realized like I need both of my hands in order to not just face plant.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I'm so glad I didn't come to this part.
Speaker 1:I'm so nervous and so I just like. So I just kind of like grab, like grab, clawed into the pool like it was far Backwards with your Up.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, wow, boobies up. Ok, were there people in there looking straight into your area?
Speaker 1:No, everybody there seems to be pretty respectful, like there were people around but there was no one. It's not like I just went and said, hey, so, and so I'm about to spread them in front of ya. You know Like it wasn't like that at all.
Speaker 2:You all crabclawed. See, I would have gone on my stomach down With your butt in the air. Yeah, I would allow my butt to be what they see. But you went straight up Like you're talking like a yoga pose with the bridge, with the legs, kind of out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, I mean, it was much faster than that you know, because I was like a little crab like, just like getting right in that pool.
Speaker 2:And so hilarious. What did your friend do? Yeah, how did they get in? How?
Speaker 1:did she get in? Well, I didn't watch her get in because I was taking care of my own self, like I was, like not, I would have been watching.
Speaker 2:I don't know what that's like I would have watched. I would have watched everyone. How many sets of junk did you see? Like about six, that's not too bad. Could you describe on?
Speaker 3:a.
Speaker 2:No, just look, it's not going to get really. But like what was it like? Like where you explain yeah, I could see it happening in your head again. What's?
Speaker 1:what happened? I just this is kind of personal, yeah, I do not have a lot of experience with the male anatomy, I just don't. Ok, like I have some experience. I do not have a lot of experience, like I am not married to a man who I sleep with on a regular basis, like to me that would be like a familiar.
Speaker 2:Are you married to one that you don't sleep?
Speaker 1:with on a regular basis? Yeah, are you married?
Speaker 2:to one you don't sleep with.
Speaker 1:No no, I'm just saying that, like I don't have a super educated from my own tactile experience, like I don't fully. I mean, I know what's going on there because I've taken anatomy classes and all of that kind of stuff. So I understand the general principles, but like seeing it in person and seeing the different, like shapes and sizes yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Give us the variety that you saw.
Speaker 1:And colors and different treatments of the surrounding areas. Like it's very like and it's not like you just sit there and stare. That was my next one.
Speaker 2:I would totally stare. I don't know how not to Like. I catch myself all the time and I'm like, I'm staring at you. Stop staring, and I still can't Because you get naked with people no, not naked staring, but I'm very interested in this. Did you have a favorite?
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, no, I don't know. No, that's not, that's no.
Speaker 2:I feel like it, anything like a standout maybe.
Speaker 1:Maybe just the guy that was sitting the closest to us, like actually in the same pool as us, like he just walked up and he was like good afternoon, and I was just like oh my gosh, was he holding a glass of wine?
Speaker 3:No, no, he just was like he just Was he fresh.
Speaker 4:No, it would have been awesome.
Speaker 1:I don't know his nationality, I didn't ask.
Speaker 2:Because I feel like if you're European, you can get away with that a lot more than just an American guy with junk. So, like he wasn't, he was not submerged into the water when he said this.
Speaker 1:He walked up to the pool, the same one that I crabclawed in.
Speaker 3:Oh, he was not in the water Not yet, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:He actually never got in the water. He came to the side of the pool, he sat down and put his legs in the pool and just kind of I am sorry, but you are wanting everybody to look at you.
Speaker 2:That is intentional.
Speaker 1:It didn't feel like that, Like it didn't feel like a showcase. Listen.
Speaker 2:I think it's fantastic. I would love to have that kind of love for my own body Me too. I'm going to start crab crawling around naked.
Speaker 1:Do it, it'll do you so much good. And then, after I had that experience, I went to one of these little kind of hut type things and I got a two hour full body Swedish with acupressure and meridian work, full body massage oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:It was awesome, it was great. Did you feel like Jello afterwards with all those treatments? I did.
Speaker 1:I just felt really good I felt really really good.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Oh, it sounds so good. It was really really fun, and we were sitting there talking about you guys because we were just lamenting that you weren't there. I mean because it was like we were all looking so forward to all being together, and so we kind of played out in our minds like what you guys would be doing if you were both there, and so I would like to let you know what my predictions were, and I'm curious if you guys would be willing to share how accurate Love it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, please.
Speaker 1:So what I said is I said, you know, I said I feel like Sarah would do very similarly to what we did. I feel like she would go like you know what, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to go all in and what I got is what I got, and like I think she would just come here and be like woo, you know not really, but like I felt like you would do kind of like me and you would be like, ok, I'm a little naked, but like I'm going to just get in the pool, and then, moose, I thought of you and I thought I think that you would be wearing the same outfit, that where you were in my house at the summertime, where you've got your board shorts on and you've got your wife beater on and you're like this is as far as I'm going.
Speaker 2:I don't feel like a black tank top is a wife beater. I just pictured myself with no bra on and my boobs hanging down here, and a really long white tank.
Speaker 3:I just want to point out it's a husband beater.
Speaker 2:It's a husband beater.
Speaker 1:Yeah get it right, A husband beater? Yeah, husband beater. And how like you would be real. Like I don't know, it's too hot, I don't know if I want to get in and like in all of this. And so I'm curious like can you imagine what your individual and collective experiences would be at the Hot Springs?
Speaker 2:I would just giggle the whole time, but I think I would get in. You are correct. I would have some clothes on. I probably like a sports bra and my swim shorts and, like you said, my husband beater. But I would be really shy getting in and then I would love it, like I think I would love it but I would. There's no way that I could keep my head down Watch it. I mean, how many people were in that?
Speaker 1:pool. I mean, in that particular pool it was just the two of us and then the one gentleman that came to show off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know who's the gentleman, but yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then there are people like laying out in the yard just like reading books and like Nakey, yeah man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man. Well, I was actively growing my leg and armpit hair in preparation for this so that's what I would have done.
Speaker 1:Sarah, you proved my point exactly.
Speaker 2:Can we talk about leg and armpit hair for a moment? Sarah and I recently went to this event I don't have to go into detail and I met this super cool chick and anyway, she lifted her arm and there was hair, like a lot of hair, and I just want to say I think the women who grow hair on their legs and their armpits, also men who do it why not? And anyone else, I think you are very brave, because that is. I'm so tired of us being forced into these bubbles of what needs to happen. I personally like to shave my legs, but I saw that tuft of hair under her armpit and, as a woman, I felt liberated and I just want to say out loud good job, like honestly good job, doing something that is not a social norm. And I'm curious to ask you guys how do you guys feel about body hair for women?
Speaker 3:I'm open, I think it like you said it's, it's brave I'm. I told you like, probably while I was, when we were down in Mississippi and I wasn't showering for a while. Anyway, like I said, I was actively growing that hair out and I thought I might just grow it out this winter.
Speaker 2:I think some women do. Why not, that's?
Speaker 1:awesome. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. I don't have a ton of feelings around it. I think, because I'm not familiar with it that when I see it and I'm talking specifically like on a woman I'm a little bit like, a little bit like almost like I want to stare, like what you were talking about before. I have I have two friends in particular that that do not shave their their arm or their leg hair, and and I think they're wonderful, like, and I really celebrate that that's how they do, like I think that's really great, and because it's just how kind of our society or whatever, like how I've been raised whatever you want to call it I'm kind of like whoa, like that's fascinating. One thing that I think that has helped me with that though making it a little bit less like what's that Is that for three and a half years of my young life I grew up in Germany and in Europe that is a very common practice is that women don't shave their underarm hair or their leg hair, and so my mom was a swimming teacher, and so we went to the swimming pool all the time in Germany, and so I regularly saw women.
Speaker 1:So it wasn't, it wasn't like super, like what's going on, right, right, you know, and so I really do. I celebrate it. And some people have said to me like, oh, my gosh, like I came from my body work treatment with you and I haven't taken a shower since yesterday, or I haven't shaved my legs, or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I can tell you that for me, as a body worker, I don't care. Yeah, like I like, like I care very deeply, but like I don't, I don't mind, yeah, I wrote down the following thing after the last story.
Speaker 2:I wrote down new t-shirt cat crab crawling into a hot spring and I just am wondering if we've got a listener out there that wants to illustrate that, because that would be awesome. I would love to see some sort of t-shirt of you, nakey I mean, we don't have to show a lot just as you, nakey, going into a spring.
Speaker 1:I, yeah, I did. The thing is is I don't know that that is something that anybody would actually buy. I would I would.
Speaker 2:When I was like a, when I was a big my favorite murder fan, I got Sarah this mug. That what's? What does it say, Sarah?
Speaker 3:It's my favorite mug. It says here's the thing, fuck everyone.
Speaker 2:And it's literally based on a story where somebody gets stranded out in the ocean and anyway, that was one of the phrases in the story, and so I do think people like weird, quirky shit and I would buy a t-shirt with you crab crawling into a steamy hot springs any day of my life. That is one of the funniest stories I've ever heard.
Speaker 3:Even just a sticker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm going to do you want to draw it?
Speaker 1:I kind of do have a bit of a desire to illustrate it, oh my God, I would love that.
Speaker 2:I think it should be illustrated by you, because you were there, please, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now what I'm curious about is do I include the gentleman to my left? I?
Speaker 2:know, I know I was thinking the same thing is our friend in the hot spring and the gentleman is on the side. Then there's rocks and you crab crawling over it. Even if it's a raw drawing, these people will buy this, and if they won't, I will give the sticker away. That's true. I will hand it out on the street. We'll just stick around things. They'll go what the hell is this? And I'll go.
Speaker 1:you have to listen to episode 182. And then it's going to like start a rumor that Kat has crabs or something.
Speaker 2:No no, no, we'll just make sure you have armpit hair and they'll understand.
Speaker 3:It'll be fun.
Speaker 2:Put some armpit hair in there, it's going to be great. I put more. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to see what you come up with.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you. I want to share a little bit more. I mean, so much happened when I was in Colorado and I'll be talking about it for the rest of my life, I'm sure because I just had such a good time. But I wanted to talk about our friends that I stayed with. We've talked about Julie, the author, and we've talked about Mark, my brother from another mother, and I spent a lot of time healing on this trip.
Speaker 1:I love hearing that and I cried, I laughed, I learned, I listened, I talked, I shared. Like we had so many really meaningful conversations and their hospitality was so generous, like I had. I literally, you guys, I would wake up in the morning between like 8 and 8 30. And before I was fully out of bed, like Mark will have made me a cup of coffee and literally as soon as I walk out of the bedroom, he's like here, dude, here's your coffee. And so I've got my coffee made for me and then, before I'm done with my coffee, either he or Julie would put a full plate, not like a little tiny, little skinny person breakfast.
Speaker 2:Like this is like this is like sweet heart.
Speaker 1:It's a big girl breakfast yeah this is a big girl breakfast because we're about to take a hike.
Speaker 2:Oh shoot, yeah, you got to fuel up girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. And so every morning, every lunch time, every dinner I was fed the most exquisite, most wonderful meals and their hospitality was just so wonderful. And getting to sit out on that porch and look over the Cimarron mountain range and to look over the Sneffles mountain range and to see Mount Abrams like far in the background and know that the little town of Ure was right over there and we were like overlooking Ridgeway, Like it was just magical.
Speaker 3:It was just magical.
Speaker 1:And I said to my friends I said I think it's really interesting that, like publicly, like on my podcast with all my friends, like within my job, I want to tell everybody I'm a body worker.
Speaker 1:I do healing art stuff. Like I do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because like I'm so excited about kind of this, this area of work that I've gotten to explore in the past four or five years, and it's really interesting to me that they so quietly and unassumingly were really doing the healing art, like they held such beautiful space for me and we had such a good time. And it's one of those things where it really reminded me of times that the three of us have gotten to spend together, where we just get to kind of talk shit out and just go like fuck, this is hard. And like, oh my gosh, what do I do about this? And don't you feel like so-and-so was such a dick and like, oh my gosh, and it was just really, really healing. And I feel like ever since being on that trip, like it did something for my absolute entire soul.
Speaker 4:That's amazing. I love that.
Speaker 1:It was really really beautiful. And one of the things their daughter is a musical theater student and like she is like heading on into like the professional world of musical theater and she's brilliantly talented she is. And one of the things that the author, Julie, said to me is she said it would be really important to me if you would watch Hamilton, because you've never seen Hamilton and I am not one to watch a musical theater performance on TV, Like that is just not like my thing. And I was like, well, of course I will Like to be culturally relevant. I should probably see Hamilton. You know, it's like 10 years old and it's coming gone and I don't even know like what all the rage is about. And I was so incredibly moved by Hamilton. I was really really moved by it. And one of the things that stood out to me that I wanted to share with you guys and see how it resonated with you is one of the main characters said at one point I am not standing still, I'm lying in wait. Oh wow, that's good, Wow.
Speaker 2:That's very woo-way, kat. You know like it's so interesting. How timing is everything in woo-way. You know like I often, when I'm writing in my journal, I'm like stay in the river, stay in the river, don't grab hold, you know. And I haven't seen Hamilton either, by the way. Me either me either, so I can't respond to how good that is, but I love that I'm lying in wait.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, I'm not standing still, I'm lying in wait. It's just a reframing of a posture, you know, and I like that reframing. That either could be true. Yeah, exactly, and what I felt like the character was articulating is you view me as standing still. Yeah, how I'm viewing me is I'm lying in wait. I'm ready to pounce, you know, and I just thought that that was. I thought that was really that's really cool.
Speaker 2:What I like about that too, in the lying in wait, is that there's a preparedness to it.
Speaker 1:You know like I'm, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Like I'm not just hanging out hoping the world happens to me. I'm actually prepared for when the right timing is. Yeah, that's really really astute.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful Ms.
Speaker 2:I wanted to share our friend Mark. He called into the hotline. I wanted to share what he had to say. Let me, here we go, and here we go, and here we go.
Speaker 4:What's up? Crazy kids, it's your pal, mark, and I wanted to convey a story about when I was in Ure, colorado. We happened to be shopping in a little place called the Gator Emporium. They're on Main Street and they have all kinds of cool things and knickknacks and rocks and crystals and beads and sage things and all that stuff. And I happened to be looking through this box of rocks and moose You'll love this I happened to pick up an orange one that had a moose on it and I gave it a cat. I was like, hey, you ought to give this to Moose. And she was like that's cool. So I wanted to go look for like another color and I wasn't sure. You know, it just happened to be orange and I was like, well, that's the good news, cat, you've got the last moose one. And I even looked on the little card of the box that had all the different rocks in it. They had, like you know, elk and eagles and all kinds of cool little animals. There was not a moose on the card description.
Speaker 1:That is so crazy.
Speaker 4:It was so cool. We happened to be there. It was the last one. And also cat then conveyed to me she's like well, this is one of one of Moose's favorite colors and stones, or whatever. And I was like, well, that's good, because it's the last. Anyway, that's my story, I'm sticking to it. Oh.
Speaker 2:I love it. That is so crazy that there was only one moose rock in.
Speaker 1:Moose there. There was a card. There was literally a card and it had 12 animals. I know I bought my sister a rock that had a frog on it, like it had a frog and an eagle and all the stuff, like what Mark said. And he told me he was like dude, come over here and look at this. And he like, show me the rock. And I was like, okay, cool, it's a moose. Like let's get that for moose, like it didn't. It was just kind of like, oh, how nice you know he goes. No, no, no, look, there's not a moose on this card. That's so. We were like you know what? Like it's all the magic of the universe.
Speaker 2:Right in that moment, I agree, and you know more than ever, I feel like nature represents Everything about our life. We can find I mean, we talk about this all the time we can find what's happening in our life by looking at nature. And I just always find it interesting that we named this podcast cat and moose, because I do feel like a moose, like I really Feel like a moose.
Speaker 1:Special thanks to our producer, sarah Reed, to find out more, go to catandmosepodcastcom.
Speaker 2:Cat and Moose is a BP production.