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Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast. I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
Speaker 2:This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human. Before we begin today, I want to share a text I got from my sister just now, and this is what getting old looks like. This is. I mean, she is the epitome of my mother right now. The text reads the following Alert, alert, up your vitamin C. Everyone either has COVID, rsv or the flu Ding ding, ding.
Speaker 1:Yep, Well, all right, Like Alicia, you have effectively, in your own unique and precious way, you have embodied your mother. Yeah, she has Great work and I am so. I am comforted, it's kind of like. It's like, oh my gosh, like I'm getting to like hear through the spirit of Bonnie.
Speaker 2:Like that's so nice. Yeah, I've told this before, but my mom would just randomly text me like, are you watching Dr Oz and I'm? Like no, I'm at work, you know. And then she would just write back oh well, don't eat licorice or something super random like that. And you'd be like, oh okay.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to eat licorice. Thanks, mom.
Speaker 2:Never really with any explanation, just so I would like everyone to up your vitamin C. That's from my sister.
Speaker 1:And I would also say Echinacea, zinc, iron, zycam is a wonderful homeopathic, health immunity boosting thing, and also you could come and get local distal acupressure from me and we could work specifically on supporting your body and its immune system.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can call. It's different than a cat call.
Speaker 2:Oh, All right, Kat tell the people what we're doing today.
Speaker 1:Okay, we are doing something that was inspired originally by my mom. So thank you so much, mom, for this idea, and thank you so much Moose and producer Sarah for thinking it's also a good idea and for us doing it. So I spent some time this weekend with a somewhat new friend and she's become like an avid podcast listener. She loves the Cat and Moose podcast and so this weekend I was at this like long term intensive thing. That was really special to me and I can talk about that if you want me to.
Speaker 1:But spending time with this new friend, I told her the story of when I went and bought $800 worth of rocks to put under my massage table and so I told her that story and she kind of like giggled and she's like, yeah, I know that story.
Speaker 1:And I was like, oh, what do you mean? You know that story and she goes well, you talked about it on the podcast and I was like I guess she did. And then I told another story about how, from that story, the lady said that at one point in one of my lifetimes I was an ancient Chinese medicine man and she goes oh, yeah, she said Moose wants you to dress like a medicine woman and I literally sat there with her and said how do you know that? Well, cat, how else would she know that? Well, I don't know, but like it's still like a very strange thing to me when, like, people will know things about my life that I have not personally told them and it's like oh, it's because of it's because of the podcast, yeah, yeah, and so what was my point?
Speaker 3:What are we doing today?
Speaker 1:Oh, what are we doing today? And so it kind of reminded me that it's like oh, we have consistently new listeners, like we have a friend that's recently started listening from the UK, we have somebody new from Canada that's been listening, and that's just people who have written into us at hello, at catmoosepodcastcom or called the 1866 KTMO05 number. And for those of you who are new, you may be thinking like, wow, this is a lot to take on if I'm going to go like listen to this podcast from the beginning, because these chicks have been doing this for a couple of years now. Yeah, yeah. And my mom said to me she goes.
Speaker 1:You know, for your new listeners, it might be really nice for you guys to revisit older episodes and kind of commentate on the episode in your current being today. Yeah, right. And so we thought you know what, mom, that's a really good idea and it introduces older episodes to our new listeners and for our listeners who have been faithful all along and you know who you are. So all of that to say is we are going to revisit one of the episodes that was personally life transformational for, I think, all of us, and especially for me. Yeah, and so you worked some shit out during this episode. I worked some shit out and this is early in my most recent like therapeutic journey and bodywork journey, and we talked about a name that my grandmother called me when I was young and we discovered that it could be at least a pointer toward why I am so troubled as a human.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right. Well, it's definitely got to be a part of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sarah, can you find out for us what the date of that is that we published that episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Technically, our sixth full length episode was released on March 23rd 2020. And this I think just glancing through the show notes. I haven't heard it since March of 2020. But I think it's going to bring us right back to not only the beginning of our recording all the feels and experience, but also to see the kind of stuff that we were talking about, the kind of stuff we're still talking about, and you know, I'm curious, Sarah, if the word evolution is going to be something that feels consistent at the end of listening through this, or if it's going to be like shit.
Speaker 1:I'm in the same spot.
Speaker 3:I know the words diet coke show up.
Speaker 2:Oh, interesting, that's beautiful. I said to Sarah today as I was like trying to work through some work stuff. I was like I feel like I want to go on this, like you know, really creative path, and all I do is circle around at the same moment and circle around the same experience and have to learn it again or find a new angle to learn it, you know. And she's like, yeah, that's like spiral dynamics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just thinking Fibonacci, spirals, spiral dynamics, yes, but we weren't talking about spirals yet.
Speaker 3:So this episode we were talking about little Debbie and shag nasty and everything in between.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this one is like three and a half years ago, If you think you've heard this. We're asking you to stick around because we are going to share our thoughts along the way. There's going to be stuff we just laugh through, but we will ask Sarah to stop the tape so that we can discuss anything that we need to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've never done this before, so come join us on this fun journey of listening back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we love your feedback too. Are there favorite episodes that you would love for us to do this with in the future? Do you think this is the worst thing you've ever heard? Do you think it is the best thing you've?
Speaker 2:ever heard, definitely the worst.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean I got to start with the negative, but I am evolving.
Speaker 3:Of course you don't. You know, you are All right. Well, let's let her rip. Let her rip, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey Kat, hey Moose, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:over there. Well, I'm pontificating about etiquette, okay.
Speaker 2:Wow, that is the last thing I thought was going to come out of your mouth.
Speaker 1:It's the last thing that anybody would think would come out of my mouth.
Speaker 2:I mean, I remembered another episode you shared that you would be fine not bathing or washing your armpits Me too.
Speaker 1:Still I don't recall that particular statement, but it sounds about right. No, I was wondering. The other day I was out to lunch with a friend and I had the question pop in my mind when is the appropriate time to put your napkin in your lap? Oh, I realized I was like I have no idea. And so when I was a young adult, I learned about Emily Post's book on etiquette, and so I went to make me roll my eyes, I know, I know.
Speaker 1:So anyway, I did a little bit of research and I learned some cool stuff. So I learned that the appropriate time to open your napkin and put it in your lap is right when you sit down, unless dot dot dot, okay. Unless you are at an event where there is a host, and then you don't open your napkin and put it in your lap until the host does. Or unless you are at a buffet type setting, then you don't open your napkin and put it on your lap until you have been seated with your food that you went and got from the buffet. So now we know when to open your napkin and put it in your lap. Who knew Well?
Speaker 2:okay, this open it's up Pandora's box for me I'm sure it does because, like I knew you were going to say that the right time was right. When you sit down so say it's passing the food at like Thanksgiving, is it? Should it already be in your lap? Yes, can we just be real? Yes, I didn't use real cloth napkins until I was an adult.
Speaker 1:Well, I was in my thirties. Yeah, exactly Like. I even owned a set of cloth napkins.
Speaker 2:Isn't it weird how things like that are so like they're $3, a pure one?
Speaker 1:Yeah, pure one doesn't even exist anymore. I know I've locked them. I actually grew up not using paper towels. I used quote unquote paper napkins because my mother, to this day, does not like to use paper towels, why she just thinks it is not a whole thing.
Speaker 2:She doesn't have it.
Speaker 1:And she doesn't use paper towels Two things that are very important to her.
Speaker 2:Wait. So if you offer to install a dishwasher, she would still be opposed to it?
Speaker 3:She would not use it no, no, no, no. I have to say I do like hand washing dishes.
Speaker 2:There's something calming about not, like you know, I don't have children. I'm not saying I would like to offer that to anyone else. I'm saying for someone who doesn't have a lot of dishes.
Speaker 1:I enjoy that process, so I appreciate that I would rather pluck out my arm hairs individually than hand wash dishes. I hate washing dishes. I just feel like it is a colossal. It's like this repetitive thing you have to do over and over and over and it ends up accomplishing the same thing, like it just feels like the definition of insanity to me. I just hate it. I want to do it as quickly as possible, get the dishes in the dishwasher, and I love that. After the dishes have been in the dishwasher, there is no question if they are sanitized.
Speaker 2:But here I agree and I'm with you. I mean I would prefer I actually washed the dish and then I put it in there, so like. So your dishes get like a double wash, double wash. But here is what I hate. I hate putting the dishes away, like I mean I cannot, I'll do it and I do it all the time, like I almost run the dishwasher every day, but I hate putting dishes away, just like I hate putting clothes away after.
Speaker 1:I wash them. I do hate putting clothes away.
Speaker 2:Why is that such a difficult thing? The idea of folding them and then putting them where they belong?
Speaker 1:I think it has something to do with the repetitiveness of it. It feels like why am I doing the same task over and over and over? Like it feels like we're not getting anywhere. To me, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 2:I also have been known before I go on a trip to go to a store and buy new clothes, like I'm talking, like old baby, anything fancy, maybe Macy's if it's a big deal.
Speaker 1:But it's one of your bougie music industry events.
Speaker 2:Instead of going to find the dirty clothes that may need washed, because then they'll be in the dryer and I'm like I'd rather just go buy four new tops.
Speaker 1:Okay, but here's where I'm super cookie is, I will not wear something until I have washed it once. No, that's not me, it's totally me why. I don't know. It makes me feel like who knows where that thing has been before it is going to be worn on my body. I understand that it went from the hands that made it or the factory that made it to being shipped and there's probably like mouse turds that have touched it and things like that, and then it's been on a hanger and then maybe five or six people have actually tried it on.
Speaker 2:I've never thought of that, no no. Okay. So, speaking of, there's two kinds of people people who buy something and wear it the next day, and people who buy it and it stays in their closet with tags on for months and then go oh, I need to wear that for this event.
Speaker 1:Which are you? I'm a little bit more the latter. I'm a little bit more I buy something, I'm going to wear it when the time is right. I don't normally just go out and buy something for a thing and then go wear it.
Speaker 2:I mean I'll do that if it's like a fancy thing that I don't feel like I have the outfit for. I'm the person that has 10, 20 things in the closet with tags on it.
Speaker 1:You've always had it that I end up giving to my sister for Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's true, that's amazing. I'm very much an impulse buyer where I'll be like, oh my God, that's a great deal, I need to buy it, and then I don't end up wearing it ever and I donate it or give it to my sister.
Speaker 1:I've been the beneficiary of this habit that you have. I get that things your sister doesn't want.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, if you had any idea when I used to drink a lot I have so many stories that I cannot share on this podcast. Oh no, of buying things on eBay while I was drinking, like compulsive shopping. While I'm drinking, that would arrive and I would not remember purchasing them. Oh my gosh, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1:Is one of them the simple human trash can that ended up getting gifted to your sister.
Speaker 2:That was an intentional purchase. These are way worse. Just things that I'm like. Why would I even buy? What head mind frame was I in? Did you get it?
Speaker 1:Speaking of mind in your head. Did you get a headlamp ever, one of those that you like strap around your head? No, but I do have one for hiking and I have one for when I want my dogs in the dark. You wear a headlamp, I do. That's incredible, not always, but sometimes I do.
Speaker 2:I just want to encourage people in your 20s and 30s. Something happens after 40 where you could give two shits about what people think. It's so true. You see it in your 20s and 30s and you're embarrassed for those people and then you become those people.
Speaker 1:Well, I just thought when I was thinking of my headlamp and you asking me, do I wear it? I had this like Rolodex, this, this pictorial Rolodex in my head of like the people who might be listening to the podcast, who I know, and what they would think of me if they thought of me wearing the headlamp on my head. And I, literally, as I went through that Rolodex, I thought I just don't care, like if people do not love or respect or care for me anymore because I wear a headlamp when I walk my dogs. I don't, I don't want them to be my friend anyway, I was setting boundaries in 2020.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 2:This is before the pandemic Right, at least whoever posts the stuff socially hashtag headlamp. That's me. So I have a theory that the items that we purchase, or the types of items we purchase, are what we were familiar with as a child, and there's some sort of nostalgic factor about you know. So one question to you is what kind of milk did you drink when you were young?
Speaker 1:Always drink vitamin D milk until it seems like like when we hit maybe the teenage years or something like that, we got into 2% milk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did too. It was either, which I think vitamin D is whole milk.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:So either whole milk or 2% is what we would drink, and it's normally signified by the color red.
Speaker 1:Isn't that interesting? Yeah, whole milk is. For some reason, you know, the label is red, and then there's the 2%. Oh no, I think it's blue 2% is blue.
Speaker 2:2% is blue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then skim milk, what your mom called Blue water, blue water.
Speaker 2:My sister just posted that on Facebook the other day and a bunch of people commented and said oh it's. My grandma would say that skim milk is blue water, it just it's.
Speaker 1:it was the light blue color, wasn't it? Yeah, light blue, light blue. And then, every now and then, I would run across one and a half percent milk and it seems like the label was green.
Speaker 2:Well, I remember 1%, but there's one and a half. No, maybe it was 1%, and then there's a three quarter milk and now oat milk is a huge thing and almond milk. I'm not a huge fan of almond milk.
Speaker 1:I'm not a huge fan of any sort of milk that comes from a nut. Well, now there's nut pods.
Speaker 2:There's nut pod what? Yeah, it's like a thing, it's like a creamer, but it's called nut pods Really.
Speaker 1:And it's almond milk or just almond. I need to try those because I have a feeling I would actually enjoy the taste of it. They're really good actually I think what I don't understand is how does one extract milk from a nut?
Speaker 2:You know what, if you know the answer why how you get milk from a nut. We'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 1:We know we could do that, but we would not rather hear your explanations of how one extracts milk from a nut. Okay, I feel like I want to pause for a second. Is it possible? To pause for a second. I was speaking as if I was utilizing therapeutic language in March of 2020, before I went to school to be a massage therapist and a body worker. That's pretty cool. I just am wondering, like where did I get it? Like the only thing that I can-.
Speaker 2:You might've been reading and hanging out and like that may have been like the. When did you decide to go to school? When was the tipping point?
Speaker 1:In December of 2019.
Speaker 2:So you were yeah, you were already heading that direction.
Speaker 1:I was heading in that direction and I chances are I was just mimicking the modeling that my practitioner was offering to me and I like, like I normally do, and I think it's really interesting too that it's like, oh, I was learning these like verbal skills of how to talk about stuff in such a way.
Speaker 2:That was maybe helpful, yeah you were already on your way, you totally were.
Speaker 3:Oh no, just think that's neat. And were you in talk therapy at this point, or did you start that later?
Speaker 1:You were already, oh yeah, so that adds to it too, yeah you yeah, I started in October of 2019. So I was in both talk therapy and experiencing body work. Keep it rolling.
Speaker 2:Keep it rolling. Yep, so I have a story of brand loyalty. Okay, so when I was a kid I was kind of athletic and really into track and field day. Like, did you?
Speaker 1:have those growing up? Oh yeah, most definitely when you had the sprint and the long run and the long throw and the long jump and the discus.
Speaker 2:That's right, poor little and things like that. I hope they still have that because it was my favorite day of the year, I think they do. So I mean like think, like eight years old, I think I'm rocky, like I would like talk about it and I jump around and train for it, and like I was the winner for years on the softball throw. I saw Nice and at least in my mind I was. You know, who knows what's true and what doesn't these days, but I think I've won a lot of swimming races.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and I think I played softball for like 18 years.
Speaker 1:Oh, and I was a star of volleyball player, except I never got in a starter position.
Speaker 2:That's okay in your mind. You weren't In my mind, I wasn't, so I asked my mom if I could get new tennis shoes for the track field day.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is such a core memory and she told me I could, I could, and I was like, mom, it's really important that I get Nike's, cause you know like I had to have Nike cleats that matched my teams whenever I played softball. And she was like honey, I we're just you're not going to be able to get new Nike shoes for this. And I was like, why can't wear my cleats?
Speaker 1:And she was like it's probably because she was worried about money because of all the fan clubs that you and your sister were Exactly. No kidding.
Speaker 2:So I she finally takes me to Pala shoes, and I was aware I had to wear a lot of Pala shoes growing up and I was aware like okay, this isn't going to be the cool brand. But I went into the store with her and I found this pair of shoes that looked just like these old Nikes that soccer players used to wear, but they weren't, of course, cause they were from Pala's and my mom bought them for me. And that morning, that next morning, I woke up four track and field day and it was like the music was playing. I stepped out of bed and my shoes were sitting there waiting for me.
Speaker 2:And I laced those shoes up, like I was headed to the Super Bowl. That is awesome. I think my mom like tricked me. You know like, look at these, they're amazing. Can you see how you're going to run in these?
Speaker 1:You know like she probably like made it feel like they were those, and I think that's great, though it's like you woke up that morning and there was this like very focused spotlight shining on your shoes and there was this like, oh, touched by an angel, yes, yes, remedani was standing right behind them, so whenever, like when I was running five K's several years ago, like that was the feel I had every race day, it was like here we go, let's do this thing.
Speaker 1:My sister and I grew up living all over the world, because my dad was in the military and then was a part of the CIA after that. So we lived in different countries, different cities. You know my mom used to say the phrase all the time we moved 18 times in 17 years, you know, cause that really was true. And one of the things that I learned, or that I should say I observed, from that growing up experience is that there are different driving habits in different parts of our country. Oh yeah, and one thing that absolutely astounded me is this driving technique that I observed when, in the state of Alabama, where, let's say, there's three cars following each other down the road, car number one turns on its blinker saying I'm gonna make a right turn.
Speaker 2:Oh, this still drives me nuts.
Speaker 1:So car number two also turns on its blinker to say hey, ps, car number three, car number one is about to turn.
Speaker 2:I didn't know yes.
Speaker 1:And so car number one turns right and there's safety reasons. I don't give me the reason. I don't know the reason. It's basically like hey, heads up, the car in front of me is about to turn, but I'm not. How do I know that you're not? Because your blinker is on. So I'm already pressing the gas to think car number one and car number two are gonna turn right and only car number one turns right, and then car number two turns the blinker off and just keeps going straight. What is that?
Speaker 2:Alabama. People, come on, I'm talking to your family, I'm talking to my family.
Speaker 1:It's from Alabama.
Speaker 2:Somebody explain this to us. Please explain that driving technique. Hello at catmoogepodcastcom. I still don't think it should be. Write us.
Speaker 1:Instagram us, facebook us, email us, whatever it is, because we would love to know the traffic quirks of your locality.
Speaker 2:I would like to add one more issue I have with people on the road. Why do people not understand that the left lane is for passing? Oh my gosh, that's the worst and I'm sorry my West Coast people, including our producer, but you West Coasters are worse. The further West you get, the worse it gets. I was just out driving from LA up to Bakersfield and then Vassalia and, my goodness, nobody cared at all to get into the right lane.
Speaker 1:Well, it's probably because, if you think about, the people out in the Western part of our United States are a little more accustomed to being a little more chill because they have certain things that are legally available to them, that aren't really available throughout the rest of the country.
Speaker 2:It's mostly the Bible Belt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good point. I'm just saying, like some people on the West Coast, are going man who cares if I'm in the left?
Speaker 2:lane or the right lane. I'm not saying it's OK, I'm just saying that might be a thing.
Speaker 1:One thing that I've noticed a friend and I were talking about this the other day is that let's say that you are in a left turn lane. You don't have the turn signal like the left turn signal, but you still have a green light and there's traffic coming the other way, right. Do you stay back behind the thick white line and with your left blinker on until you have a clear path to turn?
Speaker 2:No, you get out there to the point that every person that passes you thinks you might hit them. That's right? I don't think that's right, but that is what people do. I think it's efficient. I do too. I mean, look, it says it's a green light. That's suggesting, and, honestly, you go into any big city If you don't put yourself out in that intersection, you are not turning.
Speaker 1:You're right. Like you're in the big city, you're never going to make that turn. And here's the thing that is absolutely like crazy making to me is when I try to step out and be that person, I try to pull out beyond that thing, to turn left or whatever, and then I'm sitting there in the middle of the intersection and everybody's mad at me Because now my light is turned red.
Speaker 2:Oh, I feel like that still happens to me every day and I've got people on the left and the right, trying to cross the intersection.
Speaker 1:Because I haven't been able to make the decision to turn left, because the people opposing me are still trying to blow through the yellow or the red light going the other way.
Speaker 2:Look at you, producer Sandra, adding in those noises that early on You're so good, don't drive. So what's something you remember from your childhood that you always bought when you went to the grocery store?
Speaker 1:OK. So when I was growing up I think I've mentioned before I developed juvenile type 1 diabetes when I was about five years old and that was the time at which my family went from drinking drinks full of sugar to drinking diet drinks. It was like Kool-Aid with saccharin in it and diet Coke and diet Pepsi and so on and so forth. One thing that, no matter how poor my family was and we went through some really, really poor times one thing that my mom never did and I'm so glad she didn't was get us diet cola or such a, such a great cola. It never tastes the same.
Speaker 2:It's funny because we were a Pepsi family and my mom drank the sugar stuff until she passed away and loved every bit of it To her dying day. She was taking a sip of it and she would go smooth.
Speaker 3:Every time she would take her first sip of.
Speaker 1:Pepsi and ice. That sounds so good right now.
Speaker 2:There's something about the way you crack that can open and pour it over ice, so good. And that spicy feeling Still is.
Speaker 1:This has not a saying on your tongue. Yeah, I mean, it's why they say you can use Coca-Cola to get rid of battery. Acid on battery. That's that spicy, tickly feeling.
Speaker 2:You remember when they would put a piece of meat in school in a glass and they poured Coca-Cola on it? No, I never experienced that, and it would show it disintegrating and they would cover it and leave it for days in order to talk to you about drinking it?
Speaker 1:I forgot about that. I did not have that experience. It was disgusting. It's probably because I went to school in Europe. Oh yeah, I don't know why they wouldn't have done that in Europe, but I don't think they did.
Speaker 2:Feels like they wouldn't. So, speaking of childhood, one of my favorite stories of my grandmother, Alice, who was my mom's mom, she enjoyed, you know, those large plastic oh this is the great stories.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that are like 108 grand. That's it, Miss. You got to bring it again. You're so awesome.
Speaker 2:It's basically like three, two liters in like a cup. I don't even know where you set that thing, but anyway she would. She liked to have that full of ice with whiskey in it.
Speaker 1:Drive it around.
Speaker 2:Just to give you a little idea of Grandma Alice.
Speaker 3:God bless her soul and so she would babysit us, because that felt like the best idea that we had to bring up with my mom. I wonder what happened to me.
Speaker 2:Those were my childhood mentors. But anyway, grandma Alice, she was a quirky one man. She was a quirky one. She swore that I loved red pop because I grew up in Cincinnati so we called soda pop. And she, I mean in college, like to the point in college where, like for birthday gifts, I would get like a gift bag and it would have like two, two liters of red soda and I never liked it.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've ever heard of or seen red soda. You know, the big red is the brand Big red.
Speaker 2:I don't know it. Okay. So it's like grape soda but it's red soda and I don't even know what it tastes like. But I know I hated it my whole life. But I think she bought it for us and so she just assumed we like it but we never drank it. So it's sort of an ongoing joke in our family, but that's a little background of Grandma Alice. Anyway, she was babysitting us one day. My mom wasn't home yet we were younger, but my sister was old enough to be going through. She got her period. Let's just say that. Okay. So we back then it was before I guess we she used tampons. Sorry for any men listening, but she had like pads and like they were like the pads that were like the size of a mattress, super absorbent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, soops, absorbent pads, Like.
Speaker 2:So they were like in the pink packaging and so you know, they, they. It was a tri-fold situation and so, like you know, you couldn't slip the thing, you couldn't slip this in your pocket, Like you can a tampon, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like you had to carry a purse and one fit in there, you could literally fill it with one of those trucker cups. Exactly, you could take the whiskey, yeah.
Speaker 3:So, anyway.
Speaker 2:um, so that was the kind of item my sister used for her situation and um, so my sister would keep them in this little basket up in our bathroom. My sister and I shared a bathroom. Well, anyway, we came home one day and, um, my mom came home and my grandma's just pissed and I don't know why. But my mom's like how did it go? My grandma's like well, not well. And all of a sudden I look over and on the dining room table is that same basket. She has pads in on the dining room table. She points over to the table and she says your daughters have been hoarding little Debbie cakes in their bathroom and those little pads were like ding-dongs or cream puffs or something. And she thought that we were little fat girls sitting in the bathroom and eating those little Debbie cream puffs.
Speaker 1:She thought they were like Twinkies or something.
Speaker 2:That's so cute. So on the table. All my grandmother said about on the dining room table so we wouldn't hoard them and eat them in the bathroom. Little did she know that they were trifold Maxi pads.
Speaker 3:Trifold.
Speaker 2:Down. Did you grow up with your grandparents? Oh, here we go.
Speaker 3:Do you have anything to say before we get into this?
Speaker 2:bit. No, I just that is also a core memory for me. I'm really glad that early into the podcast that we were just letting it roll yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we were being completely vulnerable.
Speaker 2:You know like we were.
Speaker 1:we were talking about like our experiences and getting to laugh with one another and like, miss, like those shoes Come on.
Speaker 2:Oh, I know I still. You know that's still a very important thing for me. When I strap all my shoes to like, I still have that little kid inside of me. That's so cool, I've been working out girl, we got to talk about that at some point.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we do need to talk about that. What room is the little girl in in the house?
Speaker 2:She's not bleeding from the eyes, right, right I figured this was a different little girl.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Okay, keep playing, because this is my favorite cat Davis story Down. Did you grow up with your grandparents? Not really. Yeah, I haven't heard you talk much about him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my mom's parents passed away before I was alive and so I didn't have the pleasure of meeting her parents and they seemed so cool from everything my mom has told me and I briefly knew my granddad, but but I was only like two or three when he died. And then my paternal grandmother I don't have a ton of memories of her. She wasn't particularly nice. Yeah, that's cool. No, she played the piano and she would play the piano for me if I would beg her and beg her and beg her, and she would always play the same little church song on the piano.
Speaker 1:But I just like always, like is in life, I'm always trying to find connection with people. So I would always try to find a connection with her and I'm like, well, maybe if she plays piano for me, you know that that'll be a cool connection that we have. And the thing that I remember more than anything from those times is she used to go well, shag nasty. She called me shag nasty. That was your nickname. I thought it was like an exclamation. I don't know if she even knew my name.
Speaker 2:Like I was shag nasty.
Speaker 3:I mean that was a little bad. We need t-shirts.
Speaker 2:All it says is shag nasty.
Speaker 1:But I'm wondering, like as I'm, you know, going through my adult life and having the experience of therapy and all of that, like I wonder if that's part of my confidence problem.
Speaker 2:I would say so, my God, although it's a really great rap name, Yo, I'm shag nasty.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, shag nasty is amazing.
Speaker 2:Yo, I'm shag nasty. Thanks, grandma, oh my gosh, kat, do you have any more awareness of why she would ever call you that?
Speaker 1:No, I, I, I was thinking like in this part of my story, in this part of my childhood, in this part of my memory, nothing has evolved. Like nothing has evolved, like it's like, it's like it's still like, oh my gosh, like she did call me that, yeah, and like thinking of it as an adult. It's like if I said that to my nephews, like I feel like my sister would murder me, like like you don't, you just don't say that to a child, no, Can you do some digging and see if anyone in your family remembers why I need?
Speaker 2:I need to unlock this trauma? It's like three and a half years old. Well, it's way older than that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But since you've talked about it, it's at least three and a half years old.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like 40 years old really, you know, let one know it's. It's like about 36 years old, I guess, because I was probably about seven, seven or eight, and the only reference I have to this is my maternal side of the family yeah, Because I don't spend much time at all with my paternal side of the family, and those with whom I do weren't around then, like they weren't there to experience that. So I will, though I'll ask my mom and my sister if they, if they remember that and if they have any understanding of the origins of it or like dang, like I wonder what my mother was thinking.
Speaker 2:That's what I literally was thinking. It's like if I heard somebody calling my kid shag nasty and then, but maybe she can add some Like oh, wait a minute, that wasn't mean, she thought she was being funny. I mean, it's clearly mean. But yeah, maybe like grandma Wasn't as crazy as you think she is.
Speaker 1:Well, and I also think too that, like at this point in time, my mom was in her late 20s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like can you think?
Speaker 1:of someone you know right now in their late 20s, and imagine them having me as a child and then having an in-law who caused me Shag nasty like it's. Like the in-law. You got to be real careful. You got to pick your battles you know so like who knows what my mom was going through. I can't wait to. We probably should have gotten my mom did to comment.
Speaker 3:We still could. Fran, do you have anything to say? Maybe?
Speaker 2:you could just ask her and let us know what her perspective of that story is Totally Um.
Speaker 3:well, let's keep going, Okay.
Speaker 1:Moose has got this amazing pop filter and she absolutely hates it. And the only reason that we have these pop filters a pop filter is for those of you who don't know, which I think everybody knows, so why am I explaining it? But the pot, I guess I feel the demands. So a pop filter, it helps you not pop your peas and have sharp Edges on your esses, and so our pop filters kind of sit out in front of our microphone and moose is in a constant battle with her Pop filter. I feel like you and that thing have had 19 knockdown drag out. I hate it.
Speaker 2:I don't feel like I need it. But I'm using it. I don't remember, sorry now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I told you just now about my grandmother calling me shag nasty, did you? You went and looked it up.
Speaker 2:Well, I just thought like maybe it's an old person term, you know, like I never even thought to look that up. Well, my grandmother used to call a couch a Davenport. No have you heard of that? No, yeah, and so apparently that is a brand Time. I was like I should say come over here and sit on the Davenport. And I looked it up and it's like a whole thing, it's a generational thing. So I thought, well, maybe it's a funny phrase from, like you know, people in their 70s, 80s.
Speaker 1:So before you talk about that, did you grow up hearing the word Dupa? No, that's a butt, mm-hmm. A Dupa like your rear end, like my parents taught me and my sister like I'm gonna spank you on your Dupa I've never heard that, yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2:So shag nasty. Well, I have a phrase. So, um, I have a phrase. Have you heard people in the south say the phrase? You got it honest.
Speaker 1:You got it honest. Yeah, I've heard that.
Speaker 2:Can we explain, can we mansplain that to people?
Speaker 1:Well, my understanding of it is like, like, for example, let's just say, like, my mom is a very generous person and so I have been told that I'm a very generous person, and so someone would say, in that context, you got it honest, exactly, you got it from your mom.
Speaker 2:I think it's. Usually, though, when you're like a redneck or Like I, my mom I'm continuously cannot pronounce things properly, and I don't think back to not caring. It's not because she's uneducated or wasn't educated, it's because she doesn't care. I love that. Yeah. So instead of like oh, seinfeld, it's Steinfeld, you know me and, like you know, I killed two birds with one stone. She killed two stones with one bird, multiple times.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Yeah, and I've got some relatives who use the word button Button. I went and had bought a dozen eggs.
Speaker 2:What about when you put an S on Phrases like Walmart, walmart or Krugers, the Walmart, or I use the social medias Kroger's, kroger's. Okay, so shag nasty. I don't want this to hurt. Is this gonna impact your ego at all?
Speaker 1:I can't, I can't know that until it's been.
Speaker 2:Very nice. It means a man of low standards in regards to sexual partner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have high standards.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm a promiscuous Male that doesn't have high standards when it comes to sexuality, and that's what my grandmother referred to me as.
Speaker 2:There's any shame from the shot. If there is any shag nasty shame, I would like to break, and the name of Jesus and the crystals in the Holy Spirit, amen. No more shag nastiness.
Speaker 1:Yes, lord, and to my therapist, I will be bringing this into our.
Speaker 2:Next week you were still in therapy then, mm-hmm. So I'm going to stop to the podcast twice and we keep turning the mics back on because we can't believe what's happening. Painful, yet hopeful therapy appointments based on Healing sounds like you guys Shag nasty and it's basically a male of ill repute or with low standards when it comes to sexuality. Yeah, but then you looked up some more. Yeah, so I'm, I'm, I'm on Urban Dictionary, which, like us, is expert information.
Speaker 1:It's a no wonder.
Speaker 2:Terrible, generally undesirable, can be used as a verb or an adjective. And then it has a list of adjective or, sorry, it has a list of synonyms, synonyms, and as we were getting off of our mics I said I didn't want to say this.
Speaker 3:I'm like oh, my God.
Speaker 1:No wonder I am.
Speaker 2:This is a part of what I'm really seeing stars from laughing so hard.
Speaker 1:I don't think that ever in my lifetime, I don't think I've ever left.
Speaker 2:It was okay. I literally said we this is the third time we've restarted the podcast and I said can you just put your headphones back on and explain what's happening? Because I just I've never seen you laugh that hard from inside of your guts and it was the kind of laugh that was like that is so damn true. Can you just briefly explain what's happening?
Speaker 1:Well, what's happening in my soul of souls right now is that I'm thinking about all. Like one of my therapy appointments recently, I was telling my therapist like, hey, I really deal with this thing where I just think I'm stupid and I hate. I hate the feeling like I'm stupid and I'm not. I actually am a really intelligent woman, I've got a decent vocabulary, I've got a great career, you know, I've got, you know, so on and so forth all the things that that would indicate that I'm not a stupid person.
Speaker 1:And so she basically was like, you know, like probably the best thing for this is probably hypnosis, and so I'm like it's that bad. I got to go like under the tick tock, tick, tock, you know. And so I'm like all right, let's do it. I mean, I'm all for. I love, you know, therapy stuff. We know that from listening to this podcast, so so, anyway, so we, we end up, you know, having this session, this hypnosis session, and out of the hypnosis session I came out of it with a mantra, and my mantra is I know my shit.
Speaker 1:I know my shit and so that's kind of got those mantra ever since that session and it was like it's been life changing for me and that's only been several weeks ago. But so I think the thing that resonates with me so much about this is I wonder what, like what happened in my life in my growing up that that gave me such a deep rooted that I'm real stupid. And it's because at a very young age I'm talking like younger than five my grandmother addressed me as a. I mean, I really want to. I know I feel like we found the treasure at the bottom.
Speaker 3:I feel like I can go into both my therapist and I can go.
Speaker 2:ladies, I'm going to keep coming to therapy, a because I enjoy it. B I enjoy you as people. C I enjoy you as people.
Speaker 1:I enjoy you as people. I'm going to keep coming to therapy, a because I enjoy it. B. I enjoy you as people. C I think it's really good for my life. But I want you to know I've found the root ball. Yeah, I found the thing that is absolutely unearthed.
Speaker 2:The the my grandmother of negativity, lack of confidence in all of that. Think about that. It's because my grandmother addressed me as a I just want to say that I am so. I love that we are living this dream out loud and this just happened, and I do feel like there's some joy in it, because you wouldn't be laughing this hard if it wasn't so real.
Speaker 1:I've got tears of joy streaming down my face because it is, first of all, just so Ridiculous that a grandmother would say such a thing to her grandchild. That's like that is really terrible and it's not funny, right, but as a 40 something year old woman, Thank.
Speaker 2:Your body may even be hanging on to something like that, right, right. I have a similar thing. My mom used to say and you know, my mom is an amazing person but when I would act up she would say under your being miserable and I can't stand that phrase miserable. But so I understand, like there's certain triggers, whatever. But my God, we have found, we have found it, we have found it.
Speaker 1:Things can only go up from here, my friends. They can only go up from here. And whatever you do, please don't call anybody in your life shag nasty.
Speaker 3:Oh so good, you guys.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness that what a great, what a great like revisit like oh my gosh, like the healing and the laughter, and like, oh my gosh, like we unearthed our childhood trauma, like in front of the whole world.
Speaker 2:Yes, you early on, really did. We've always been this crazy. That's good for us to know when we're like, oh my gosh, are people still listening? No, they left, they're gone. So we could be whoever we want to be, that's right.
Speaker 1:And I want to point out some kind of technical details about this episode is that this was before producer Sarah utilized her voice as a human.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's true.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was a robot named Joanna.
Speaker 2:Joanna was her name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, great, or hey, sarah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then secondly, moose, you and I and producer Sarah were working on this together in my office. Yeah.
Speaker 3:We were all in the same room because it was before COVID.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was before. We realized, thanks to Sarah and thanks to COVID, that like it's better if we record separately, because it makes it where Sarah can have her job be the tiniest bit easier.
Speaker 2:So, oh my gosh, good points. I can't believe I know we are amazing I can't believe that it makes me feel good that we were well. Maybe it shouldn't make me feel good that we were struggling with the same shit, maybe. But yeah, also it feels familiar and I'm grateful for that Totally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like man. I've grown a lot since then, like even when I was in the podcast episode addressing my therapist okay, ladies like blah blah, blah, blah blah, and it's like my relationship with both of them is so different now. It's true, you know, and it's really interesting, like how you know I use the example this weekend in part of one of our discussions about how Moses had Aaron and the other person holding up his arms during his, his facilitation, if you will, of the miracle of the parting of the Red Sea. You know, and it's like, it's like my people who have been holding my arms up have also evolved.
Speaker 2:It's so true, like that's really, that's really really neat.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:But I want to say to that point you know, even at that time of our lives I there were different people in in my life too than there are now, and some of those relationships felt really sad when they ended. But also I've evolved so much because other people have stepped into those spots.
Speaker 3:So and this.
Speaker 2:I'm echoing what you're saying, but that's really nice to see because in the moment you can't always recognize. Oh, this is going to be good for me down the line.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, yep, well, great guys. Well, that was fun yeah.
Speaker 3:That was a fun revisit and don't worry guys, we're not going to. This isn't the new norm, so next week we'll have like a just a normal, straight up, normal episode for you.
Speaker 2:That's right, it'll be fun yeah.
Speaker 1:Special thanks to our producer, sarah Reed.
Speaker 2:To find out more, go to Kat and Moose podcast dot com. Kat and Moose is a BP production.