Porcelain Dolls and Handmade Tales

Why do we feel the need to hide our natural body hair? Join us for a thought-provoking conversation on the societal norms surrounding personal grooming. Producer Sara shares her journey of embracing her pit hair, and we all question why leg hair is often deemed unacceptable. And if you’ve been a long-time listener, you’ll appreciate our nostalgic return to the "animal den" recording setup and our lighthearted critique of musicians using iPads for lyrics.

Ever wondered who can win a first-place award for eating watermelon? Moose kicks off a series of hilarious stories, including a family prank involving a photo album of porcelain dolls. Our banter takes a creepy turn as we discuss the unsettling experience of Kat having dolls in a treatment room. The laughter doesn't stop there, as we eagerly anticipate attending a Sarah McLachlan concert—a night we’ve been looking forward to for months.

Politics, debates, and escape plans—oh my! We dive into the recent political debate, scrutinizing the candidates' performances and the effectiveness of muted microphones. We cover everything from Trump’s unexpected calmness to Biden’s fluctuating energy. Our conversation then shifts to the complexities of political leadership transitions and the importance of preserving democratic values. And for a twist, we even toyed with the idea of escaping to Canada, drawing humorous comparisons to "The Handmaid's Tale." Tune in for humor, reflection, and excitement for what's to come!

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:04

Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast. I'm Cat.

Speaker 2 0:06

And I'm Moose. This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human. One, two, three, jesus Hi hey, cat Hi Moose, hey, sarah, hi Hi Hi. Welcome, okay, we're doing this. We're a video podcast.

Speaker 1 0:28

Yes, we're a video podcast and I'm not going to look at the video because then that shows everybody my least favorable angle. I don't think there is one of those we are here to welcome ourselves. That's right All parts of our body.

Speaker 2 0:41

Yes, I have not shaved my legs, so so you're lucky patrons.

Speaker 1 0:45

you get to see that part and neither has sarah, and she's not mad about my gosh, what's happening with your?

Speaker 3 0:53

I haven't shaved my legs and it's it's probably almost two weeks. It's bad. Why is it bad? Wait, who makes it bad? I mean it just in the in as far as terms of length of hair on legs, as opposed to normal typical length of hair on legs. Okay, it's bad, normal.

Speaker 2 1:15

But what makes it bad? What's wrong with your hair growing? That's not bad.

Speaker 1 1:19

Well, remember that time you grew out your pit hair.

Speaker 3 1:21

I did. I tried it for the first time in my life. I grew it out grown out your pit hair. I did, I tried it for the first time in my life. I grew it out, grown out my pit hair, and I think it lasted maybe, maybe would you say like seven or eight weeks.

Speaker 2 1:35

Why are you looking at me? I didn't mark it down Like oh week six. Show it to me, and then we like took pictures.

Speaker 3 1:43

I looked every day. It was really exciting the first week or so. Why the first week? Well, just because it was growing. It's like growing a plant. Look what I did.

Speaker 2 1:57

Why are your leg hairs bad, though? Because you're so proud of your pit hairs.

Speaker 3 2:03

It just, it's the in-between, it's the in-between, it's the in-between phase. Do you still have long pit hairs? It's maybe a couple days old. Oh, so you. Okay, I did end up getting rid of those because it was rough. It was rough for me.

Speaker 1 2:18

Yeah, you said that ultimately it didn't work for you, and I've noticed I have a handful of people in my life women, people who identify as female who just grow out their pit hair or either just don't take time to shave it or whatever and we talked about this on the podcast months ago. All the time. I don't know why. That feels strange to me.

Speaker 2 2:44

Well, because it's a societal norm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I mean it's a societal norm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I mean it's the whole thing. That's why I want to say to you I would like for you to have a conversation with your leg hairs that they are not bad. Imagine being your leg hair. Yeah, they don't want to be called bad.

Speaker 3 2:59

Here's the thing I had a conversation with someone recently where I just had this big uh perspective shift and trying to understand how men grow facial hair all over their face most men, all over their face. Every day it comes out thick and strong and mighty and mighty. They can't just have this skin like we have.

Speaker 2 3:26

Well, I've got the same thing around my mustache and my chin.

Speaker 3 3:32

I do have a good little small beard going here. Patchy is patchy.

Speaker 1 3:36

I have a. There's a guy that's in my improv class who says he cannot grow facial hair.

Speaker 2 3:42

I've heard some guys yeah, so.

Speaker 1 3:44

I've heard some guys say that too, that it's not always like super easy Available.

Speaker 2 3:51

Maybe we could do an implant from the legs to the lip, not for us but for those who can't. No for those who can't.

Speaker 1 3:59

So I can say to my friend I have a donor for you. Yes, Producer Sarah is willing to donate.

Speaker 2 4:06

I didn't say that you just called her a whore. I listened to last week's podcast and I was like we went off the rail we were off. Definitely it was literally, like someone said here, take these pills and go into a room and hit record.

Speaker 1 4:25

It did feel like that, like when I was listening back I was like we sound like we're on drugs, like it, and I had so much fun. It was a blast.

Speaker 2 4:34

Doing the drugs? No, no, no, no, we didn't do any.

Speaker 1 4:37

No, I had so much fun listening back and I think that I listened back to last week's episode three times.

Speaker 2 4:47

Oh, wow, and I don't really liked it.

Speaker 1 4:49

No, it's not even that I liked it. It's like I wanted to. I wanted to experience it like in different moments, because I really did feel like I was operating kind of on a different plane or something Like we all were it was fun. It was, it was fun. I feel bad for listeners.

Speaker 3 5:06

I do too, because I don't think it made any sense like we were just like getting used to sitting in our new chairs and we were together.

Speaker 2 5:11

We haven't been together in a minute to record.

Speaker 1 5:14

Yeah, we really haven't so we should tell our listeners who aren't watching, yes, the video. So we are now um recording together, live and in person, like we started in february of 2020. Yep, and we are now recording together, live and in person, like we started in February of 2020. Yep, and we are in the animal den.

Speaker 2 5:31

Oh yeah, we had a friend and listener of ours. Suggest that we call it the animal den. Oh, that's right, you are cat and you are moose and you are Sarah the animal and you are Sarah the animal.

Speaker 1 5:47

Rawr, that was good the same friend really kind of a little bit kind of went on a rant about the worship leader, ipad and musicians looking at lyrics for shows and stuff like that, and I think that, first of of all, I would like to apologize for seem so, seeming so disrespectful to people that need to do that if you've got to memorize like 90 songs yeah, that's what she was saying, right, and? It's like that to me is not who I was thinking of.

Speaker 2 6:20

I was thinking you were so mad about the artist that had written a song and had to have it on their iPad.

Speaker 1 6:26

Yes, I was mad about the fact that it's like, okay, you have like seven songs to sing, yeah, and you do it every night, 120 nights a year, like I don't, that's hard for me. And then in my statement about that I indicted myself oh, you did. And I said I have, as an artist, quote, unquote right podcast person. I have. I have notes too and yours are written on paper.

Speaker 2 6:54

Yeah, I mean it's adorable a little image, a little walking tree, yeah yeah, so I I indicted myself too, so I I don't know. I'm really sorry well, you're fine and our friend loves us. Still, she was simply saying as a musician, yeah, who plays three hour gigs she's gotta have all of her songs.

Speaker 1 7:14

Yes, I want to like give you all kinds of support around that and if you couldn't listen to us screaming you stupid whore to one another over and over last episode and turned it off.

Speaker 2 7:26

You may not know what the worship leader iPad is, but it's simply I have it in front of me now that we're in a recording video space and that's how I look at my notes, and so that's what we're referring to.

Speaker 1 7:38

So as far as our space, can you talk a little bit about the stuff that that is representative?

Speaker 2 7:44

of moose okay, so let's see if I can do this backwards. So this, if you're watching the video, um, this right here is a lisa congan art piece. Uh, one of my favorite graphic creators and artists. It says protect the vulnerable I love that.

Speaker 1 8:01

That's one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 8:02

This is also one of hers and, uh, I have some boxing gloves behind me. Yeah, if you know me, I have a company that has to do with boxing and that is important. I got a cat and moose logo. I got us behind my shoulder. I got bonnie keeping an eye, my mom behind me. What's up? Can you, can you give my moose a little tap?

Speaker 3 8:26

Yeah.

Speaker 2 8:27

Oh wow, Give me a tap. Okay, see his little head.

Speaker 1 8:34

And then I have our fantastic award.

Speaker 2 8:36

Behind us, the green jar. If you know, you know.

Speaker 1 8:40

Yeah, if you know. You know, don't feel like going into that. Yeah, me either, and Alicia, and I know Exactly.

Speaker 2 8:44

Okay and yeah, if you know you don't feel like going into that, yeah Me either, and Alicia and I know Exactly.

Speaker 1 8:47

Okay, and behind you, kat, can you give? Yeah? So I've got, um, I've got an acupressure model, um, my friend who has one just like this calls hers Giovanni Shindo. Yes, and so I'm. I'm I, right now, I'm going to call him the twin brother of Giovanni Shindo.

Speaker 2 9:04

We talked about last week. His loincloth has fallen off. Yeah, it's gone.

Speaker 1 9:08

It's gone now.

Speaker 2 9:09

Oh, yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 9:10

Well, I'm just sorry, Moose.

Speaker 2 9:11

Is this okay, it's fine.

Speaker 1 9:13

I mean, I am a little distracted, but it'll work. Okay, do you need me to move it like I did last week?

Speaker 3 9:17

No.

Speaker 1 9:20

Okay me that you guys gave me. That says don't tell me what to do. And he's got a cigarette, he's gota a ciggy and a beer and it's a cat with a collar on it and it's just very indicative of like my, like, bad girl your wild side yeah, my wild side. And then I have this f-bomb right here that was given to me by a client.

Speaker 2 9:40

Um, who's right?

Speaker 1 9:42

who understands that sometimes we drive each other so nuts that the f-bomb is the only correct word that we have. Yep um. And then I have a skull replica. Replica, just it's fiberglass.

Speaker 2 9:55

It's not real okay, good, um what if you're like? This is my aunt martha yeah, I painted her skull.

Speaker 1 10:02

Yeah, um, yeah, so I could. I could learn craniosacral um modalities. And then there's a book that I wrote the daily verse Um. I got a one of those reminders on Facebook seven years ago. It showed a social media posts that I did on Facebook and I was still doing the daily verse seven years ago. That's cool yeah.

Speaker 2 10:22

That's surprising. That book is from my mom's personal library and she would have that next to her bed and she would read it every morning while she was having coffee.

Speaker 1 10:33

I'm so honored by that, that's really cool. Yeah, that's really cool. Anything else over there. Um, I've got books. I've got the Holy Bible. Um friend, lisa, gave me this from her family archives. I've got the adult children of alcoholics, the ACA, the big red book.

Speaker 2 10:53

I did not realize you brought that. That's fantastic. We're going to need to tap into that. Do you know that? I?

Speaker 1 10:59

bought a copy of that for every member of my family for christmas last year no way that was two years ago, and every every time somebody opened theirs, they were like um, thanks, like it yeah it's an odd, it's an odd thing to give as a gift.

Speaker 2 11:18

It is an odd gift we speaking of bad gifts, and I don't want wait. Let me just comment on that first. Okay, what was the conversation after that?

Speaker 1 11:28

With my family, yeah.

Speaker 2 11:30

Um, cause the person you're referring to is no longer alive, so it's not like it was a pointing a finger to like your mom or something. Oh right, yeah.

Speaker 1 11:38

My mom like my, I mean my mom like well, maybe have a whiskey like once in a blue moon. Like no, my mom is certainly not an alcoholic and my dad was.

Speaker 2 11:47

I guess what I mean is they weren't in the room, so it wasn't that awkward Like who's the alcoholic?

Speaker 1 11:53

No, no, it wasn't. That part wasn't awkward, it was just like it's Christmas morning, like the boys still believe in Santa Claus. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 12:05

It's like you're like I would like to approach all of the family issues right now on christmas morning, exactly merry, fucking christmas like what a weird gift yeah, you know it is weird, but also valuable.

Sarah's Random Chat With a Friend

Speaker 1 12:14

It's so valuable, I mean I and I have two copies in my house and so I brought one of them here and then I've got an animal power book and then I've got good to great, because it really shaped how I, how I do my. That's great, my business I love it.

Speaker 2 12:29

Sarah, what about your background?

Speaker 3 12:31

okay, I've got I'm. I'm struggling because my camera's not straight on, so I'm like mirrored and you're doing great thanks like your shot is the best. Thanks, um, I, you actually moose, gave me this.

Speaker 2 12:47

Nope, this guy oh where's the finger Closer to you?

Speaker 3 12:53

This one. No wait, oh my God, there it is there. It is there, it is, it's mirrored, and I've not figured out how to unmirror Anyway it's a Mr Rogers quote. I also have Mr Rogers back here.

Speaker 1 13:12

Yep, there he is. Are his ashes in there? No?

Speaker 3 13:16

Is he?

Speaker 1 13:16

still alive?

Speaker 2 13:17

No, he died, he died.

Speaker 1 13:19

I thought so. Does it feel good when you're just about to do something that you know is wrong and you decide to do something else, something that won't hurt you or anybody else? Doesn't that feel great it? Does feel great. We are talking about nothing new on this podcast. What?

Speaker 3 13:37

do you?

Speaker 1 13:37

mean he said that like decades ago.

Speaker 3 13:40

Yeah, agreed, yeah, decades ago. Yeah, agreed, yeah, okay. So then I also have my my first place award for eating watermelon. This is the coolest award I've ever won in my life? Yes, Um, I never actually got it, uh, when I was a child, because I think I cheated, but somehow I won the first place for eating watermelon and no one ever gave me an award for it. So these guys did and got me. Cause we think you're a winner.

Speaker 1 14:13

Yeah.

Speaker 2 14:14

I mean, that's a cool award.

Speaker 1 14:16

It's very cool and just for most clarity, that was all news. I had nothing to do with that.

Speaker 2 14:21

That is not true. We discussed it.

Speaker 1 14:23

We did discuss it and we both paid for it.

Speaker 3 14:26

Oh yeah, I forgot that part. I love plants a lot. This plant technically belongs next to the kitchen sink, because I've just learned that's where its home is, because it needs to be watered quite frequently and anyway, so I gave it some water today. It's sad, but I love this plant it's a great plant there's some marbles back here.

Speaker 3 14:48

This has to do with um a bob goff thing. You've lost your marbles. No, I can't remember it right now, but I it was really important. I'll come back to that at some point. I've named her, and then there's this doll head.

Speaker 1 15:02

Right, which is so creepy?

Speaker 3 15:04

Weird, it's weird. I got moose. There's an episode post on this, so basically I have a huge fear of porcelain dolls, as you should.

Speaker 2 15:18

And as a reminder, my sister and mom speaking of weird Christmas gifts, kat, for my birthday they gave me an entire photo album full of porcelain dolls that they positioned. I mean, it must have taken them months to create this photo album, but it's an old school photo it was printed out from Walgreens of porcelain dolls sitting around the house eating in front of food that was their gift to me.

Speaker 1 15:48

That is that is so good. It's the intentionality and that is just stunning, do you? Did you feel so?

Speaker 2 15:56

seen, I did I. And they didn't even like hand it to me in person. They mailed it to me with with the porcelain doll that they found.

Speaker 1 16:06

I mean, come on, it's like they pretty much invented elf on a shelf. That's so funny.

Speaker 2 16:11

But see, when I was young, my mom I know, my grandmother got me this porcelain doll and it scared the hell out of me, so my mom had to hide it. And somewhere in all of these moves they found this porcelain doll. And I mean, yeah, I agree. Like, instead of just being like let's mail it to her. They're like no, what is one step further, let's create her worst nightmare. Yes of yeah.

Speaker 1 16:33

So it was just a photo album of porcelain dolls being posed in weird I mean that I wish I had known that before and I just think that that is so fantastic and it's a part of what makes you you oh yeah, I really think they're weird. I feel like they're, they watch you do you know that I have two dolls in my treatment room? I do porcelain dolls. I don't think they're porcelain, why what?

Speaker 2 16:59

kind of dolls are they?

Speaker 1 17:00

yeah, that's a fair question. Well, I think they're plastic why well? I helped is this where?

Speaker 2 17:06

you go, let me show you what is a good touch and a bad touch wow, and then and then you say and if you feel me giving you a bad touch, let me know oh my god, like that's so terrifying it's terrible, it's very terrifying.

Speaker 1 17:24

I would like to completely pivot from dolls no, why are there dolls in the? Room. It's important because I was helping my friend um dispose of some stuff she was ready to let go of and I thought the box that the dolls came in was really cool because it's super like vintagey and so I'm using it as like a a stand.

Speaker 2 17:45

I'm not ever getting body work from you.

Speaker 1 17:47

Nobody will now. All my clients are like they just drop, like flies. You start getting reviews.

Speaker 2 17:56

Like excellent body work session, but gotta be honest, won't be back. She had porcelain dolls lining the walls of her studio.

Speaker 1 18:05

They're not lining the walls. They're not lining the walls. That is awesome.

Speaker 2 18:08

Now can I the walls, and it's awesome.

Speaker 1 18:09

Now can I pivot to a different thing, please? This week I am getting to have experiences with two of my favorite artists. One is coming up tonight. I'm going to see Sarah McLachlan.

Speaker 2 18:23

No, we are going to see Sarah McLachlan. Yes, we have been talking about it for months. Yes we've been talking about it. We are going to see Sarah McLaughlin. Yes, we have been talking about it for months.

Speaker 1 18:27

Yes, we've been talking about it and I'm so excited that the show is tonight. Me too. I bought us chairs ahead of time, rented us chairs ahead of time, we rented parking spots so that we can like be close. Like it's going to be a fantastic time it's going to be so fun. Yeah, it's going to be hot as a motherfucker, hot as fuck so I was thinking like it might be a good idea this afternoon to go to like prime iv or 615 drip or whatever and get some that idea get some fluids, like seriously, because we're gonna sweat our balls off.

Speaker 3 18:58

I actually am into that, yeah what?

Speaker 1 19:02

why does this stress you out?

Speaker 3 19:03

well, last time you I've got a lot of feelings. It was the magnesium.

Speaker 2 19:08

Are you sure?

Speaker 3 19:09

Yes, it got me so sick Last time you did this you were sick.

Speaker 2 19:13

They won't be able to find my veins and they never can, so that sounds horrible.

Speaker 1 19:18

Well, this is not a good idea then. Anyway, we're going to go see Sarah McLachlan tonight. That's going to be really fun. It is, and this week I am Celine Dion.

Speaker 2 19:29

You are her.

Speaker 1 19:30

No, oh that documentary came out.

Speaker 2 19:34

It's called I am oh yeah, she says you did just say this I am.

Speaker 1 19:40

Celine Dion yes, I am, which I think in the Bible. Well, in the Bible, you know when, when Moses says like who are you? I am, I am, that I am.

Speaker 2 19:49

So I am who I say I am. Is that in the Bible?

Speaker 1 19:51

It's something like that. It's like I am, that I am. It's very confusing, kind of like the Pauline epistles, like I do the things I don't want to do, because I don't want to do the things that I do. I wrote a song about that a song about that.

Speaker 2 20:10

Oh yeah, we'll insert it right here oh yeah, do you want me to find it? I'll just tell you how it goes.

Speaker 3 20:12

Okay, one, two, three why do I do the things that I do, that I know I don't want to?

Speaker 2 20:17

do. That is fantastic it's kind of like my um. I am not in charge. I am not in charge. I am not in charge, I am not in charge.

Speaker 1 20:27

I am not in charge. I am free of responsibility. I am free of responsibility. Okay, so we're gonna do the dang it?

Speaker 2 20:35

the epistle, what is it? The paul? The pauline epistles pauline epistles pauline why do I do the things that I do? That I know I don't want to do I just came up with it one day it is so brilliant.

Speaker 1 20:47

Thank you, it's absolutely brilliant. And celine basically said I am celine dion and so I just thought it was interesting, okay, and the documentary I felt like was absolutely like. I just let myself get completely sucked in by it okay, wait.

Speaker 1 21:06

So you've already seen it yes, I know she saw it without us I did and I didn't know I was supposed to wait I didn't know that I was supposed to wait, okay, um and I have a feeling you would watch it again with us I will watch it again with you several times if you want.

Speaker 1 21:21

I just thought it was really really good, okay, and I also thought that her perspective, like her human perspective, was very interesting, and also to me like she's an anomaly, an enigma, because she's got a warehouse that is her wardrobe. It's literally a warehouse. Why? Because she's got so many costumes, like so many, and she talked about like how, um, her clothing designers, like it's fascinating. It was a really I've enjoyed the documentary, so into watching that.

Speaker 2 22:00

Yeah, I would love to watch it too, I think I I have a fear I would like to talk about, though. Okay, on one of trailers it was her like weeping and it was on Instagram or whatever, but she basically was like somebody said your fans want to see you sing again, celine, and she goes oh, it was like all these clicks and stuff, and then she was like I will sing again, yeah, which I loved, but there was a lot of crying and and the trailer, and I was traumatized, not by that, by Lady Gaga's documentary. Did you see that? No, it's probably eight years ago or something.

Speaker 2 22:46

Okay, but the entire time and I love Lady Gaga, but the entire time she was in ice baths screaming her brains out, and it was a huge trigger for me because I was like, Lord have mercy, Like it was just her in constant pain all the time and I was like how about we not do that to ourselves?

Speaker 1 23:07

Right, right, like that's a choice.

Speaker 2 23:09

This is not when we're winning, when our body is collapsing, you know, and so I got fearful that was going to be a lot of her in pain, and I'm sensitive to that.

Speaker 1 23:19

So was it um, there there are a couple of moments where she has like a quote-unquote episode, i't know and I'm trying to be respectful about it, I don't know what to call it it was. It was a physical it seemed physical and emotional release of pain, probably pain and and also this like neurological disorder that just kind of seizes her body. And what I found so hopeful about it is one of the people that was there with her is a body worker. Oh wow, and I just kind of thought like okay, like I, like I was just so glad that she's able to resource herself with that kind of support, like she had lots of support around it, so it just really, I don't know, it just made her very human to me and I she's one of those people, one of those celebrities that I also want to be like immortal, like, yeah, like not even human, because she's so great, like such an icon, you know.

Speaker 1 24:22

Um, so I really enjoyed being inspired by artists who I love this week, not to mention my clients and the music that we get to work with. You know, it's like I just feel like I've gotten to have a real um inspired week. I love that. That's fine. Thanks for listening I'm excited.

Speaker 2 24:39

Uh, we, the three of us, realized. So there's like six of us going tonight. Yes, um, and the three or four of us within that six realize that feist is opening.

Speaker 3 24:52

Yes, oh, my god, I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 24:53

I know I haven't heard feist's name in forever. I have any. What's her? What's the big song? One, two three, four.

Speaker 3 25:01

Tell me that you love me more. Do you want me to play?

Speaker 1 25:11

yeah, yeah, I mean her vocals fantastic, and then also Alison Russell.

Speaker 2 25:20

Yeah, it said Alison Russell was going to be there, so is Sarah going to go on at like 10? I think so, man.

Speaker 3 25:24

I hope she's okay yeah we're going to be wasted by then.

Speaker 2 25:26

We're going to be so hot.

Speaker 3 25:29

It's going to be hot Wasted from the heat we were outside earlier, earlier, like just at nine something, and literal sweat drops just already falling. It's so my my knee pits are sweating oh yeah, mine are too right now.

Speaker 2 25:43

Okay, a couple things I want to cover, and this part sarah, if you could set an alarm for two and a half minutes, that is the most I want to talk about. This got it.

Speaker 3 25:52

No, I, I got it I got it just in your mind you can have, it okay, two and a half minutes can we talk about the debate?

Speaker 1 26:00

oh boy, we have to talk about this now. Last week I I really enjoyed my kind of okay, here are three candidates, you know a felon, a guy with a worm in his brain right and a guy that's in euphoria at random times okay, so like that just sets the stage for the debate. What, what did you think?

Speaker 2 26:24

oh my gosh, it was so uncomfortable. There were so many great memes after the fact, and one of my favorites was um uh, hey, siri, why does suffering exist? Every one of my devices just answered the question. Suffering could be the result of natural evil, including earthquakes, disease or human evil, war and injustice. Okay, thank, you.

Speaker 1 26:56

What I'm curious about is what is unnatural, evil, agreed?

Speaker 2 27:01

good point, maybe like um, maybe like sucralose or something, I don't know um. Okay, so back to the debate. So, um, I was uncomfortable 90% of the time. I was surprised. These are just my top line things. I was surprised at how chill Donald Trump was like definitely gave him a Xanax Thought. It was brilliant that they turned off the mics while the other one was talking.

Speaker 2 27:30

I actually liked that the moderators from CNN did not try and fact check it. They just let the two people talk. Yep, I know a lot of people were not fans of that, but I I didn't mind it. Um, I thought Trump was in as normally. I mean he wasn't as insane as normal, but like nothing he said like actually had any substance. And then Biden I just felt bad for the whole time yeah me too.

Speaker 2 27:55

I don't think he knew his mouth was open when he was listening. I mean, I, I I love Biden, and yet I was like I am not comfortable with him being the president.

Speaker 3 28:06

Yeah, it's. And then they they put him out in the wild the next day and he was totally fine.

Speaker 2 28:12

Well, he was like yelling yeah.

Speaker 3 28:14

I just energy. I have, and not that I questioned that but it's more than pick the right environment for the guy Like, or. I mean sure you can't avoid the debate space in the room and all of this, you know, but let's, let's market him when he's in his best light.

Speaker 2 28:30

Then yeah him when he's in his best light, then yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to say you have a everybody's like.

Speaker 1 28:39

Well, obama's first debate was bad. No, no obama.

Speaker 2 28:40

I mean obama, it was not good. I'm not saying it was great, but it also. He said things that you could follow. He was coherent. Yeah, he wasn't just like grunting half the time. I was surprised trump didn't make fun of him. I'm glad he did.

Speaker 1 28:56

I didn't either, I was. I mean, I agree, yeah, yeah, it'd be because he could have and he even a couple of looks he made.

Speaker 2 29:04

He caught himself. Yeah, I'm not giving trump any credit.

Speaker 1 29:07

Let me just say that I was like wow, somebody swung your book. Somebody, you know nobody.

Speaker 2 29:15

Hell, no, but hell. No to the na-na-na, but hell no to the na-na-na.

Speaker 3 29:22

Have you heard that song? It's so good.

Political Discussion and Canadian Escape Plan

Speaker 2 29:26

I'll throw it in. I guess my final point even though I've gone over the time limit, because I still want to hear yours is you know, all the commentators after the fact were discussing somebody. We got to put somebody else in there. But it's not that simple, right? You can't just like, oh, let's go get Pete Buttigieg, buttigieg, buttigieg and put him in. It's not that simple. And then they had kamala on every single evening show, late night show, morning show. The next day she's in la doing all this press and it's like are you gonna slide her in there, which I'm not mad about a lot of people are.

Speaker 2 30:06

I love her talking about women's rights yeah, me too and there's about 65 of america not republic, not, you know, including republicans that are big fans of women's women being able to do what they want with their own bodies.

Speaker 1 30:21

Right, I just think that, like when it comes down to being the leader of, quote unquote, the most powerful nation in the free world. Yeah, women's rights are important yeah, I would say so. We're at least half of the population it's not the only issue I understand but and to me it's like what I want to hear a little bit more about like, how are we going to navigate, not getting eaten alive by china?

Speaker 2 30:54

well, by the way, we just were. We just showed china and the rest of the world that come on in, boo, ain't nobody paying that much attention, we're just eating gummies over here.

Speaker 1 31:07

I know I mean that's what it feels like and it's like, oh my gosh, like to me it's like women's rights and this and that and it's all very important, but it's like I feel like nobody's talking about, like, are we going to be able to exist as a democratic society right in the next couple of years?

Speaker 2 31:27

no, I don't disagree. But also if we lose our rights to our bodies, that that is the beginning of Handmaid's Tale.

Speaker 1 31:36

Yes, Thank you. Thank you, what's it called An Aryan society? Yeah, I think. I don't know.

Speaker 3 31:45

I don't want to be a part of that. I do not want to. We're going to Canada.

Speaker 2 31:48

Yep, I'm fine. I mean you could get dual citizenship. I keep begging you Get some dual citizenship.

Speaker 1 31:55

How is it that you can do that?

Speaker 3 31:58

Apparently, because my grandparents are Canadian, we're Canadian. That is so cool.

Speaker 1 32:04

I know.

Speaker 2 32:05

If I had that, I'd be like I mean, you need to get busy yo. That's what I'm talking about. She can sneak us across the border when things get rough, we're going to need it, I'll be June.

Speaker 3 32:17

Wait, I don't want to be June. I'm not signing up for that. No, wow, okay, wait, can you give us?

Speaker 2 32:22

your best, June. Look though it's great. I love it.

Speaker 1 32:39

Okay, here's mine if you watch handmaid's tale for or anything Elizabeth Moss is in. Yeah, that is her look, that's her.

Speaker 3 32:55

Look, I'm into it.

Speaker 2 32:56

I like it.

Speaker 1 32:57

Yeah, but it became too much. The thing is is I know this woman's face better than I know my own mother's. Correct, Correct, you know what I mean Exactly. And like I was a breastfed baby, okay.

Speaker 3 33:09

Wow, Wow oh wow.

Speaker 2 33:10

I was a breastfed baby.

Speaker 1 33:11

Okay, wow, oh wow. I'm just saying, do you?

Speaker 2 33:13

know her breasts better than your mother's.

Speaker 1 33:14

No, no, I hope not so weird, but her face. I mean, it's like if we took out all of the shots of her face, yeah, all of these episodes could be condensed into like 30 minutes that's so true and tell quite a story.

Speaker 2 33:34

Think yeah, it's like whenever they're like oh, that shot, we shot, didn't work, just put elizabeth's face. It's like our wide shot, yeah so when we go to canada, which which crossing do you think we should go through? Like are we going across Niagara Falls? Cause we're just acting cool Like we're tourists?

Speaker 3 33:56

I am not going across Niagara Falls. That is so scary, and no, no.

Speaker 2 33:59

I mean like the border not actually Niagara Falls or are we going like? Montana. We go on like Calgary, what's?

Speaker 3 34:08

the Washington, Washington, Washington state Cause they're already cool, Okay so in case they kick us back in.

Speaker 2 34:14

It'll take a while for people to get to Washington State.

Speaker 1 34:16

At least we can commit legal suicide.

Speaker 2 34:19

Oh, that's true, they do have legal suicide. That's a great point In Washington, yeah.

Speaker 1 34:25

Or is it Oregon or both?

Speaker 2 34:27

I think it's Washington.

Speaker 1 34:28

Yeah, I think those two states. I don't want to do that either. It's an option.

Speaker 2 34:33

We're talking about options. We're wearing red capes at this point. Shit, we're, we're in.

Speaker 3 34:42

We are that is the point I was trying to make sarah is now with us.

Speaker 2 34:49

Okay, wait, are the red capes the wives, though? Oh no, it's the actual the red, yeah, teal is the. What are the wives that? Are yeah, okay, do you? Can you guys think of any friends of ours I or maybe not friends, people we know who will be the wives of the men taking?

Speaker 1 35:09

over. Yes, yeah, me too, yeah, absolutely, oh, yeah, yeah, I could picture them in that teal too.

Speaker 2 35:14

Yeah, yeah, I look good in red though so I'm happy about that.

Speaker 1 35:18

Yeah, you look great in red and I I don't look good in either of those colors. I want to jump back to canada and celine dion for just one second.

Speaker 2 35:27

Yeah, we are in podcast. Yeah, hi, leslie canada. By the way, we're huge fans of you.

Speaker 3 35:34

I get to go at the end of the month. I'm so excited. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, what for? I get to go to toronto for a show of one of my artists is going to be doing.

Speaker 2 35:41

I'm excited.

Speaker 3 35:42

Well, great toronto hey, maybe you can. Oh yeah, maybe I can just stop by the toronto embassy and say hey, things are getting bad south of here, hey what are just getting my plan in place. Do you guys have a?

Speaker 2 35:58

shelter I could go ahead and rent for about four friends that look great in red yeah, yeah okay, back to toronto and celine yeah, so celine d?

Speaker 1 36:11

Celine Dion's from Canada, and I just wanted to mention a quote from her documentary that I should have inserted earlier. You stupid whore. Damn it, damn you. She said if you want to go fast, you go alone, If you want to go far, you go together.

Speaker 2 36:31

Oh, come on, Isn't that great, that great. I love it.

Speaker 1 36:35

I thought it was too I thought it was super like. Needs to be on like a statue somewhere I agree, maybe the one behind you, maybe him put it right there on his feet for you with him.

Speaker 2 36:48

Yeah, have you ever been to a Celine show?

Speaker 1 36:51

Yes.

Speaker 2 36:52

With Mary Mac yes.

Speaker 1 36:53

Yeah, I've been to two with Mary Mac.

Speaker 2 36:58

So is she performing? Not yet she's not, but you will buy like $500 tickets.

Speaker 1 37:04

Absolutely when she performs, absolutely, yep, I I bought a $500 ticket with a friend of mine who is like kind of a big deal in the music industry now. I'm so, so proud of her. When I met her she was an intern and now she's like running the world in the country music space. But anyway, when Celine was playing here in town years ago we went last minute to the box office like as the show was starting, oh cool, and paid like hundreds of dollars and we were like, oh really, we were like as close as elizabeth moss's face to celine dion and it was fantastic it was. It was such a good show and I mean we were right there.

Speaker 3 37:48

It was so great would you say she's your favorite artist.

Speaker 1 37:53

Good question no, oh no. I I'm really inspired by her a lot, I think you really like how she pounds her chest I like her passion.

Speaker 2 38:04

Yeah, I mean, it's weird, it's we, it's we well, we know it's weird, but it's also inspiring it's very inspiring to me.

Speaker 1 38:11

I would say my favorite artist is probably Sarah McLachlan.

Speaker 2 38:16

We are going tonight my favorite artist of all time. I mean Brandi Carlo Just is there, you go how about you, Sarah. But of all time, yeah, I mean like yeah, I mean I think you have a new one.

Speaker 3 38:30

I have a new one right now. Her name is Noga Erez, n-o-g-a-e-r-e-z. Everybody go look her up. She's so freaking creative.

Speaker 1 38:39

Noga Erez, so fun you got your start because of the Cat in the House podcast. Yeah, you did.

Speaker 2 38:44

She is an Israeli hip-hop artist.

Speaker 3 38:46

Yeah yeah, she's so freaking creative I'm obsessed. I've been obsessed for like probably six or eight weeks now, maybe more.

Speaker 2 38:55

We're going to see your favorite artists tonight. I know together it's going to be so fun. I'm excited. I really need to figure out how to you think I could put a fan, one of those personal fans. Hey, you bought some, I know. We should get those charged, I know, but can we bring them into the concert?

Speaker 1 39:11

It doesn't say you can't.

Speaker 2 39:13

As long as it fits in my clear bag, as long as it fits in your clear bag.

Speaker 1 39:16

That's 16 by 13, by three or something.

Speaker 3 39:18

I know the whole thing is so stupid. We have one of those, we're good, I'm not taking anything.

Speaker 2 39:23

I'm taking my phone. I have a bag Okay, clear bag if you need to put anything in there, great, yeah, I'm, I'm really just taking my phone. So they? This is the place at Ascend. Amphitheater in Nashville where you can get a bottle of wine delivered to your lawn chair.

Speaker 1 39:41

Yeah, it's really neat, it's cool. Yeah.

Speaker 3 39:43

How have we determined how you're going to keep it cold Cool?

Speaker 2 39:47

No, what the what? The wine, what the what? The wine oh no, they bring it to you and it comes in a chilled, yeah, yeah, but she can't drink it all.

Speaker 3 39:55

I mean she just, I mean I could and I would be the one.

Speaker 2 40:05

Your love is better than mine, oh my God, did you have your video on you for that?

Speaker 3 40:19

only patrons get that. Wow, damn, I've never seen you like that.

Speaker 2 40:22

It was ice cream was it oh, it was ice cream, that is not how it you were making love to that ice cream.

Speaker 3 40:29

That's what I, with your also felt okay.

Speaker 1 40:33

Well, it's been a great episode guys, I love you both and I'm so glad that we have this new environment that you guys created. I mean, you guys how about you.

Speaker 2 40:44

You brought all of your fabulous things behind you.

Speaker 3 40:47

We have a whole it's a.

Speaker 1 40:48

We are just trying to honor you.

Speaker 2 40:51

We honor you. Thanks, and the scrotum behind you.

Speaker 1 40:55

It's the power.

Speaker 2 40:56

It's the power. All right, get working on that. Canadian dual citizenship.

Speaker 1 41:01

We need you, Sarah.

Speaker 2 41:02

We need you, all of us. If you are worried about being a handmade right end, sarah will be our um liaison liaison. Hey, and we, and we and Sarah will be our liaison.

Speaker 3 41:12

Liaison. Hey might make some money and we shall tell a tale. I think that's illegal to pay.

Speaker 2 41:18

You would be like a coyote bringing us across the border. A pimp, no, that's what they call in Mexico. They call them coyotes. They help you come across the border. Huh, okay, I think it. How much are you?

Speaker 3 41:28

going to charge. We can come up with another animal name. We are in the den after all. We are in the animal den.

Speaker 2 41:34

Welcome to the animal den, the lion's den.

Speaker 1 41:39

Daniel's lion's den. Protect the vulnerable.

Speaker 2 41:45

Bye guys, have a good week, bye, bye.

Speaker 3 41:47

Bye.

Speaker 1 41:56

Special thanks to our producer.

Speaker 2 41:58

Sarah Reed. To find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom. Cat and Moose is a BP Production.