Best PC Gaming Genres - Busted Buttons Ep. 13

We start with Hick's recent screw job he received from Microsoft when he had to renew his subscription for Xbox Live Gold. All that just to play Forza Motorsports and Project Cars 2. This ignites a longer conversation on Xbox Live Gold, PlayStation Plus, Xbox Game Pass, and PlayStation Now.  

We then dive into The Last of Us Part II spoilers that recently came out. Do we like spoilers? Do we watch them? How do they affect the video game industry?

Afterwards, Hick gives an update on his PC gaming adventures and how his laptop specs are starting to cause issues in regards to the resolution and frame rate.

We end with a long discussion on what genres are best for PC gaming.

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Transcript

Hick: 0:17

Welcome to Episode 13 of the Busted Buttons video game podcast deal so good to be back we had to take off last week I had a lot of crazy stuff going my life with work selling my house and bread I missed it just one week off but I really missed it but this week fuck you Xbox Live Gold we're going to talk about why I'm so pissed off and we're going to talk The Last of Us too. And some of the spoilers that came out in Kansas our whole like, you know, opinions on that we're going to talk about my PC specs, my PC specs that caused me some issues so I got kind of figure out you know what to do about that and I got my outline because once again, I did not put all the topics of what we're going to talk about at the top which really helps me out while I'm doing the freakin intro. So let me scroll down my notes see what else we're going to talk about here. Oh, we're gonna talk about the best john is to play on PC. We're gonna talk about some of our changes in loyalty when it comes to consoles like you know through the years what we played and where we switched to is actually common at least my parts interesting read I don't even know where you stand on your loyalties. And if he has interesting too I think we might get into some other things that actually revolve around sports games but read can start off with this whole um you know actually I'm just gonna go right into it and talk

Red: 1:34

Xbox Live Gold

Hick: 1:35

first of all First of all, like Oh man, I got I was a hole this week and I got pimp slap because I'm one of the biggest bitches in the world man because here I am. You know I need my Forza fixed. I'm not playing Forza like Forza usually releases a game every year. They have Forza Motorsports one year and then they have Forza Horizon like the other year they can switch off years and in 2019 we did not get Forza game I think what I think is their whole now for the Xbox series x you know do they wait for the name to get out of the executive mouse you know as you know, they're all not gonna be home runs let's just move on. But I've not heard anything in 2020 about the next one either I not really researched it but you know, I would have heard something by now. So I had to get my force to fix man and so Forza five at one time when I had Xbox Live Gold, it was a free game. So you know, I went and got that free game. I installed it. I installed it on my system. That game is my game. So I'm like okay, I need my four to fix there's no new games out all the other ones. Yeah, there's some stuff I can do it on but you know, I still kind of play a new Forza game so I go into Forza five I started up blah blah blah you don't have an Xbox Live Gold subscription you cannot play this game well this can be a fucking glitch because I installed this game on my console It is my game so you know I do I tried again same thing okay well there's gotta be an update or there's a glitch going on or something so try to update I don't know if actually had to update but there was an update available or not. Anyway, yeah, restarted my system went back into same error message. When looked online, you had to have an Xbox Live Gold subscription. If you want to play free games. Fuck you. Xbox. And because of that, I bought three months of Xbox Live Gold, which is just fucking stupid. My wife called me out on this one because I didn't Okay, the one month subscription $10 that's just a terrible deal. in red. I'm going to talk the whole podcast so you can just say you didn't

Red: 3:44

listen you're drinking my beer listen to you rant I'm entertained. So

Hick: 3:48

no one month Tim bucks no but out of principle out of the damn principle of the matter. I was not gonna pay for full year because you know actually do kind of agree with that. We'll kind of get into that I don't but at the time I was very very upset about it. So I bought three months of Xbox lab go just so I can play that game. And then here's where they got me man here Well, they got me once they got me right there they got me once and then here's where they got Megan Project CARS to another racing game that I've been checking out for a while was free. So what's gonna happen in three months is I'm going to want to go play projects cars, Project CARS, too. And I'm not going to be able to because is a free game, I don't have subscription anymore. And at that time, I'll say well, you know, it's really the boost Oh, do to go ahead and get the full year so I'll go ahead at that time, and I'll go ahead and get the full Demir so through all this, I ended up getting like 15 freakin months of Xbox Live Gold just so I could play Forza Motorsport five and wife, I don't need to send this thing. We're shooting the yearly works. That's better than a three month one. I know the fucking numbers. I know which one's a better deal. To gotcha, though. It's out of principle of the matter. I was Not paying a full year. So what I'll do is, is I'll have the three months of it, and then I'll pay a full year after that, which is even dumber. So fuck you, Xbox lab go, you when you got me go

Red: 5:11

ahead read, they got your money for sure. And I will say I am not a big fan of that process where if you you got the game while you were paying the subscription, you should be able to play that game any fucking time you want. I do not like that model I get. I understand why they do it. It's a great thing. It's a loyalty. It's a way to keep you paying. So just like you, let's say down the road, you want to play Forza again, guess what you're whipping out that credit card, you're re up in your subscription. It's it's a great incentive on Microsoft's part. And hey, Sony, you're out off the damn hook either because I'm pretty I'm 90% sure PlayStation Plus works the exact same way it does. Because it's it's just, to me, it is a whole issue with digital distribution of games in general, at any time, Xbox or Sony can say, ah, nevermind, you can't play that game. Now you bought a license, we are taking that license away, even let you install the damn game. First of all, that's what blows my mind. I couldn't believe it lets you download and install the game and then said no, you can't play it. Like that's a double slap in the face. That is a glove slap right to the face. And it's just, again, I get it from a business perspective, it's a great incentive to keep you paying that monthly or yearly or three month subscription. But as a consumer, it sucks. I missed this, you know, you go to the store, you buy the game, you own it in digital digital distribution, that's just not the way it works at anytime. Not that they would because it'd be bad word of mouth, Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo could take your game away. Or take away your right to play it steam your Yeah, any of these distribution platforms on any console, you bought a digital, they can turn off your license and say you can no longer play this game. I hate that shit. It makes me feel like I don't own the game when you really do and you pay your hard earned money for it. That's why I still do buy some games physical part of it too is storage space on something like this. But at the end of the day, I'm like, we really don't own these games like we used to. And if yet your subscription lapses for these free games, guess what, boom, they're gone. You can't play them anymore. And it's frustrating as a consumer, it makes business sense. It makes money for them. I get it, but as a consumer, I'm like, it's not very consumer friendly. I and you know, here we are bitched about not being able to play a game that was free to be so I mean, we can only complain so much about like you paid your subscription that month. Yeah, she gets to keep whatever games you got that month you know yeah,

Hick: 7:43

you know, I'm honestly not I wasn't mad at first I'm honestly not that mad about the free games part because like you said, it's free so you can Yeah, it's like it's not subscription like okay, it is a subscription service. But it's not like the ones we've been talking about with like Google suck Yeah, in the Xbox games pass PlayStation ads a little bit different model from that, but I kind of thought about it. It's free. I don't really mind that much. Okay, you're only going to give you these it for free if you have this subscription so I'm cool with that except meds beginning not really mad about now like whatever you know, you're getting to me for free. I enjoy that. Yeah, but here's my thing. Like charge me $1 then charge me$1 letting me in mind like that's what I want. And you know this product Well, I can tell you that's part of their strategy because it worked with me. I said here and i'm not buying 12 months I'm buying 15 months what they want you to do is they want you to get pissed off and then out principle not buying for full year and then realize you screwed up and then after that you buy for full year so like this is just genius. I don't know if we're done it or if it's just genius strategy but they got something going on it's really good.

Red: 8:50

A little bit of both I'd say but it is kind of funny you mentioned that this the Xbox Live Gold or the PlayStation Plus isn't like the other subscription type services we've been talking about here last well pretty much since day one of this podcast but because the Xbox Live Gold and the PlayStation Plus you get the you get the free games a couple of free games every month. You get the discounts on the store whether it's the you know, Microsoft Store the PlayStation Store, but then the game pass and I believe PlayStation now is kind of PlayStations equivalent of it. I'm not that familiar with PlayStation now so I'll let you tackle that it is but but game pass at least you know it actually lets you basically treat it like Netflix a video games and I love that model. I haven't paid for it yet because there's just not I my backlogs big enough already. I don't need a Netflix queue of video games sitting there taunting me when I fire

Hick: 9:38

up. I don't know about you, but I am tired of subscribing to things. Like I have so many subscriptions that like I'm just getting to that point. Yeah, it might be beneficial. I might like it but I'm just done because I had too many subscriptions. I have too many things to keep track of it. You know, just like I like to think okay, I actually think I did look into this. You can actually do it the same way as Xbox Live Gold where you pay I think you pay for the end up. Not 100% sure, but I think you can pay for the whole year or you can pay monthly, which is kind of nice. But she said thing going back to, I guess so let me dance subscriptions and how's it different? And like you know we have Well, I have Xbox Live Gold and PlayStation Plus Do you have either one of them now?

Red: 10:20

I have Xbox Live Gold still because I honestly don't know why I don't play online multiplayer anymore. We've talked about that in prior episodes. We don't keep up with the online multiplayer scene anymore. Like I in the free games every month. Yeah, every now and then there's a gym in there. There's a really good one. But I feel like it's it's been slim pickins here for I know you were excited by Project CARS too. Yeah, I think I think one month a while back I got like Metal Gear Solid five, which is a really highly rated game like triple A game. But the selection just hasn't been there for me. Although I did get Assassin's Creed Syndicate I believe on there. And I dropped a good you know,

Hick: 10:55

Uncharted The, the collection was on there for very recently. So that was on the PlayStation Plus, we already had a game but you know, still but go ahead. Yeah,

Red: 11:03

but yeah, so. So I don't honestly, the discounts on the store, though. Not just the free games, but the discounts are really good. I will say that it for both services. It seems like I don't have PlayStation Plus, or Playstation now. But the Xbox Live Gold. I feel like I've got my money's worth just on the discounts and the free games and everything. PlayStation Plus, I might get when the new console comes out. But you know, I kind of bought a lot of those big first party exclusives or first or third party exclusives I want to do with PlayStation right off the bat. And again, the backlogs big enough yet I'm with you. I'm tired of paying another subscription to cuz it's like you think about when you're doing your budget for the month or how you know how you know the next two weeks how far ahead you budget out and you're like, Okay, here's the bills I know are coming due. And then boom, Netflix subscription. Boom, Amazon's prime. Boom, ESPN plus boom, Xbox Live and like,

Hick: 11:52

Where the fuck did all my money just forget the bar in their red? How much does the bar actually keep track? Do you actually set their budget out your bills?

Red: 12:01

No, I do my recurring bill.

Hick: 12:03

bills. Okay. Yeah, but here's the thing. Are you

Red: 12:06

actually see all the excess? I see all the excess is my bar budget.

Hick: 12:11

But here's, here's the whole thing. Are you actually saving money? Do you sit there? Okay, this game is usually 60 bucks. Okay, it's $40 off. So I just say $40. But would you ever spent that $20 in the first place? If the game wasn't on sale? Like if you would never saw it? You will spend zero dollars on that game? Actually 20 bucks in the hole? Or are you 40 bucks a head like desk? And that's like Phil's philosophical shit. I don't know. Hell

Red: 12:38

yeah. I don't know a lot of games. There's a lot of games that will not spend 60 bucks on but if I see it for 20

Hick: 12:43

I'm like, yeah, I'll give that a shot. Oh, yeah. But saving money makes me feel better. Like I spent 60 bucks, or you know, 25 bucks over three months, and there's been 60 bucks for the full year. God damn, Xbox Live. You got a kid? You got me. But oh, like I just do it. Good. Go with something with what you're doing?

Red: 13:04

Well, I was just gonna kind of say, I mean, we've kind of talking about getting screwed here by by Microsoft and Xbox. But, you know, one of the big news items here the last couple weeks was another way that gamers do get screwed essentially. And that's with spoilers. And for those of you who follow the gaming news, you know, we're talking about the last of us part two, there were some huge leaks recently involving the last was part two that had like story cutscenes you know, all this stuff for for a single player, like cinematic story driven experience. Like, I did not want to see spoilers. I'm now because I know those are out there in the wild. I am in full on like, in the dark. Again, it says anything about last of a suit. I'm not clicking on it. I mean, even if it's from websites, I trust and generally do a great job of not posting the spoilers. Like I'm afraid now, because the story really drives games like The Last of Us part two. I mean, it's an emotional, like there's twists, there's turns it keeps you guessing it's a strong story, one of the best stories in video games in the original agree and to me to spoil that without getting to play it. It started pisses me off. I mean, I'm like, I won't click on them, but just you can see it randomly on your newsfeed or something. It does have algorithms that spit that stuff out because it knows you like video games and The Last of Us, so I hate spoilers. In general, I am very adamantly as a as a player of video games, mostly single player story driven games. Like I do not want spoilers in my shit. I want to experience it for myself. Just like if you're paying to go see a movie or you're watching a TV show like you know Game of Thrones. Everyone's like no spoilers, no spoilers, whatever. It's the same way with video games. It is no different. I do not understand people who are going to play the game and still want to read the spoilers. Okay, if you're not going to play the game, I get it whatever read the story beats as someone who wants to play it and experiencing it remembering how the first game affected me. Like it's a very great story. I I do not want the experience spoils. It pisses me off. I do think spoilers are a Bane on not just video games, it's entertainment industry in general, but video games, in particular in this case, so what do you think about it?

Hick: 15:16

I mean, he's got worse too, as a digital age has gotten, you know, better and better. More and more. I just okay, I hate them. I try not to watch them. But like you said, algorithms can spit things out, like, you know, show them right in front of you that you can still try to dodge them, but you can't dodge everything. But yeah, just don't under like he kind of says, I don't understand why people want to know something like, why do you want to know so much of the story? Like, okay, if you want to know a certain item is in a game, okay? That's cool. Like, okay, you want to know, the master swords in the game? That's a spoiler. I don't really, you know, that doesn't bother me too much. But it comes to the story and everything. Like, I just don't understand why people want the spoilers like, what the only thing I can think of is social status, like, you know, something that maybe other people don't know, but you're ruining the game. And like, why do you want to do that? And like, there's so many people that do it. And that's why these media outlets do it. Like understand. It gets clicks. And what's the point of a website, the point of running a website is to get clicks, you throw ads on those pages, the more clicks that go to those pages, the more money you can get from advertising. So that all makes sense. So yep, you're not gonna see me get mad like polygon, or I'm not saying they're the ones posting the spoilers, but I'm just saying these big, giant polygon, who's ever post posting the spoilers? Like, I don't think you can get mad at them, because I understand. That's why they're doing it. The problem is the gamer like, why are you so interested in spoilers? Like, for me, it does nothing. It just ruins everything. Like, I want to play the game, I want to experience it, like, you know, his full story and not have anything ruined. So like, what are you getting out of this as sub social status? So me? Well, I guess, here's my question to you. Like, why do people do it?

Red: 16:57

I have no idea. Like I said, if you're gonna play the game, you're planning on playing the game. There's no point. I understand people who make I'm never gonna play that game. I want to read what happens, you know, then whatever, I kind of get that you're not going to play the game. You're not going to pay for it anyway. But if you're going to play it, I don't understand as a gamer, why you would want to I agree on the media outlets, like you said, IGN polygon, every single video game website out there, they want the clicks. Yeah, I get it as a business. I get it. But I think the spoilers in general, are bad for the industry. Now, this Last of Us part two, one is kind of interesting. Because of the the, the rumors that have come out about it. And the source of the leaks for the spoilers has been I thought kind of a fascinating story to follow. There were rumors. And as far as I know, they haven't been substantiated, that it was actually a disgruntled employee who leaked the the information out because they were disgruntled. Because of all this COVID situation, the game's release got delayed. And a lot of these developers there are employees, their their bonuses are based on sales. And if the game is not out there for sale, they're not getting paid their bonuses. So the rumors that I had read that are out there as it was a pissed off employee that you know, they couldn't get their bonuses because they wouldn't release the game. Because the COVID stuff. So they put the spoilers out there as a way to force naughty dogs. Hey, don't be a douchebag Yes, my

Hick: 18:20

response to that don't be a douchebag. There's other people, right? A lot of people out there, they're suffering right now. And you're bitching cuz you didn't get bonus? Well, leash, you have a fucking job. So don't be exactly this, this guy, don't be a douchebag you have a job. There's a lot of people that don't have a job. They're on unemployment, that aren't making near as much money and you're just mad now had not read the story. I'm just going to kind of what you said. But it does make sense that hey, you didn't get bonuses because you didn't hit sales figures by a certain point. First of all, I'm Naughty Dog, adjust your bonus structure for this time. Times are different, right just a little bit. And do things a little bit differently during this time because you are delaying a game that wasn't supposed to get delayed. And it's only getting delayed because of COVID-19. So just what you're doing, maybe give it advance, maybe give it a bonus. So this is a little bit on you to Don't piss off your employees. That's a good story here. You know, don't piss off your employees. But this guy he's got good boy or girl whichever one it is. This guy could be a douche bag, if it's even true. Yeah.

Red: 19:15

But you know, Sony has come out and said that it's a hacker or something. So but of course, they're going to say, Yeah, they do not want stories coming out about them denying people their pay or bonuses or whatever. So I get I would love to know which side is right is you know, we can't substantiate what Sony saying. We can't substantiate what this random rumors are. And of course, Sony's gonna come out and say, No, it was not an internal disgruntled employee. Everything's hunky dory, hoonah, Guna, Matata, blah, blah, blah, everything's great. But uh, so I'm really curious to hear like if we ever hear the truth behind it, because, you know, we have Sony's point of view. We have the rumors. Who knows. I don't know which one's true. It's kind of weird. Like, I think in my opinion, at least,

Hick: 19:55

you hear about these spoilers a lot more with consoles than you do the PC gaming now. Just got started with PC gaming. So it seems like the spoilers don't have as much for PC gaming. But maybe there's a whole group of PC gamers where it actually is a word, which is nice man.

Red: 20:10

I'd say it's just the PC gaming seems a little less popular than Xbox PlayStation. Yeah, the fan base is a little smaller. It's still a very rabid fan base. Don't get me wrong, the whole you know, you hear the term the PC master race for Yeah. But it just seems like it's a smaller audience and less mainstream. So I just, I think the spoilers do still happen. But it's just less popular than Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo. So. But that is a good segue, though, into your PC gaming experiences that you've been kind of keeping us alive update on here in the last month or so?

Hick: 20:43

Yeah, I've been talking about here and there, you know, I'm excited. I wasn't excited. You kind of got me back into it a little bit. And now I'm not, you know, down. But I'm a little bit, man. Because you know, I just told you all First of all, I did not buy I bought a laptop. And it's not a gaming laptop, I just wanted to wet my beak a little bit, kind of get an idea of how PC gaming would go. You know, and I'm having problems with my framerate man. I'm at the other day, like my computer knows what it was doing. Because uploading, you know, doing updates or something like that, it was really hot. And so my frame rate was like around 19 or 20. And let me tell you, there's a big difference. I can handle 30. Like, there's a lot of games, I believe the games like when you like, if you like a, like the ps4 Pro, usually have a chance, like an option of a better resolution, or a better frame rate and your frame rate is usually 30 or 60, I believe. Um, yes. 30, some 30 frames a second. I'm okay with that. But when you get down to 20 It's a huge difference, man. I mean, it looks choppy. And that's kind of what I'm struggling with right now. I don't mind dropping the resolution down. I'm a tip right now. I think the next option at least for Assassin's Creed Odyssey is 900 which I've no I'm fine with that. I know, there's actually some games that operated below 10 ap that were supposed to be you know, quote unquote, HD, which I guess technically 720 is HD, that's where it all started. So that's just kind of a bummer right now. So I'm gonna kind of look into that, like, you know, see if I can fix it. But here's the problem. I am playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey on a computer that's not built for gaming. So that's on me to do landing game that's a domain like you can't play games like that. So you know a little bit of it is on me so you know I don't think it's going to stop me like it's something that okay, the resolution I can definitely deal with the frame rate a little bit choppy, but you know, I'm just trying to get that experience you know, kind of wet my beak so I think it's gonna be okay, I try to fix Yeah, try to get through but a little bit down right now but we'll push there we'll figure it out.

Red: 22:46

Yeah, I will say you mentioned like the next step down would be 900 p, which I assume for you supply 1440 by nine depending on the dimensions of your monitor. I gained on that my last monitor until I upgraded here a couple weeks ago was only a 1440 by nine monitor. So I was gaming it 900 DPI as well. And I loved it like I thought for me. Yes, I love the graphics. I love the bells and whistles. I love a beautiful scenery. But I can't tell that much of difference between 910 80 feet I can tell a huge difference between 60 frames a second and God friends Yes. So I enjoyed playing on 900 p because any games I was playing at that point because you know you have games now that are 4k, as you know. And it's like you can max out everything if you're playing at something like 900 p with a video card that's made to handle something much higher. So me I'm excited to be back up to I'm on a not quite full 4k monitor now I think it's a shit I have to look out for what it is exactly. I should know this I bought it. Yeah, it is but like absolutely full 4k. But again, I still have a relatively newer video card. That resolution may not be at max but everything else is and like I said I will take some of the effects that you get and the stable frame rate over resolution any day of the week is you're talking you're talking 1920 frames per second. That's almost a slide Yeah, like that is getting it plus it'll there'll be places where it drops even lower and it is it is choppy as hell. I'm 100% with you I would rather have the silky smooth performance with a higher frame rate than to that did make that trade off. So yeah, maybe jack it up while you're at some beautiful VISTA so you can take a screen

Hick: 24:31

Yeah. And then lower it back down but

Red: 24:34

yeah, when you're running through there's a lot of action going on or a lot of stuff happening on screen like explosions or weather or whatever gunfire you know not so much in Assassin's Creed Odyssey but then I would rather have that performance over overlooks any day you know and and you know not everyone has the money to get both you know video cards and computers are expensive. My question

Hick: 24:56

like know more about this because you've looked into it. How much would it take to run 60 frames on a 4k monitor? Like how much like I know, you get to monitor everything I bet like, could you estimate like how much that would be that actually game in 4k at 60 frames per second,

Red: 25:14

the video card alone is gonna run you four or $500. That's not bad. So to get there, and that's not counting the rest of the computer that you're building. Because my computer pushes everything in about 14 I think 1440 P is what my fans is like, no, it's beautiful. I love it. Plus, it's just twice the size in general. So I'm liking the screen real estate. But anyway, but like, you know, I put over 1300 I think into my computer. And then I've updated the video card every couple years just to keep up with the times. And it's expensive. I mean, it really is it's still cheaper than if you would get the same specs if you like walked into Best Buy and said hey, build me a computer or give me a computer that matches the CX it's still cheaper to build your own. But man it is a I can see the appeal in the 4k gaming on consoles, because you're talking paying 500 bucks for a console versus paying three times that amount for 4k gaming on a computer. Great computers do a lot more stuff. Think of all the behind the scenes stuff. We do the podcast, the videos, the website. So I mean, you're using your computer, probably more than you use a console.

Hick: 26:17

PC towers on the internet, they just look amazing. Now you can just I mean, you can keep that tower right and just like replace parts as you go along. Correct? Yep,

Red: 26:25

that that's what I do. I mean, my towers, again, it gets something big enough to let you work in it. Because if you get like a micro case or something, you have to start looking into parts that are kind of specialized for it. And that's why laptop parts are expensive cell because it has to be like compartmentalize for a laptop. So no like because I've upgraded my video card in this computer twice I've added ram to it. I mean, it's, that's a beautiful thing about having a big PC case, you can pop it open and put in new parts, put a new ram put in new hard drives, you know, whatever you want to do, short of basically a new motherboard. But even that you can keep the case and remove the motherboard and put in a new one. I mean, it's it's it's all very standardized now, which I'm a huge fan of

Hick: 27:06

nothing. That's why I'm going to go like I think I'm going to continue on with PC gaming. But even if I were not to do that, like you know, I've always been a big laptop fan. I think my next computer, I think I am going to get like a big, like a desktop. Like it's just called a desktop actually a big desktop computer. Because we do do like a lot of editing and a lot of other things that do take quite a bit of RAM and like you know, just the prot like you need a lot of processing to get them done. And I know you can just do that better with a bigger PC because you have more room to put more powerful stuff into the computer. So like, I think my PC gaming will continue. It's just a little bit rough around the edges right now. But I expected that so you know, that's on me. I should look into a little bit more. I believe that gaming laptops, were also pretty expensive. And I don't think how's the prize, but I was not ready to a PC tower. So you know what, man, we'll figure it out. We'll get through it. I think one day I'm gonna shield build one of those sweet looking neon like computer computers, those PC towers, with all the circular lights and everything. Those things look freakin amazing. But you know what? I'm talking about specs like, you know, in PCs, like gaming. There's also things in Jennifer genres that can help. Like I said, I've been playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey, maybe not the best game, if you have like a like a lighter, lighter, a nice powerful computer. But we can also like, switch up the genres, it might not take as much processing power. I kinda just want to ask you what read, what are some of your favorite genres to play on PC?

Red: 28:37

I think hands down the best genre for gaming on PC or like the PC is truly optimized for these kind of games is your strategy games, especially real time strategies, like you think of games like Starcraft, the old Warcraft games that were so popular, where you build the armies, you build up your base, and you just like rush your opponent, you try to crush him, because the mouse is just so perfect for highlighting, like whether it's an army or a building, like the whole point and click of the mouse is perfect for realtime strategy games. I personally suck at them. Like I can't work as quickly as some of these people do. It blows my mind how good some people aren't like Starcraft and games like that. But it doesn't always have to be the realtime strategy. Because one of the most popular franchises on PC is the civilization series. And they're up to civilization six now. And that's more of a turn based. There is combat, but it's more focused on building up your territory, your cities, your you know, your country, whatever you want to call it. And so again, the point and click the ability to like have all your menu options down at the bottom that you can just click on so easily with a mouse is where that genre really shines on PC. So even though I'm not very good at them, I do enjoy some civilization games. I don't really necessarily enjoy the realtime strategy games because like I said, I pretty much Suck at them, but it is perfect for the keyboard and mouse combination. Then another big one are the flight games

Hick: 30:08

on your strategy and civilization six, like how's that different from like a JRPG? gangs? It sounds like a JRPG game, but I'm guessing that's not or is it? No, not at all. So they're both turn based. So that is probably where the kind of confusion comes in. Yeah,

Red: 30:23

JRPGs are like the combat is all turn base, like we attack the opponent attacks, we attack the opponent attacks. And they all the A lot of them have kind of like that anime, art style, that kind of thing. But at the end of the day, they're still RPGs. Like, they're not that dissimilar from a Skyrim, The Witcher, whatever in terms of it's an RPG storyline, plus you have skills, stats, all that stuff. So now civilization games, it's all about building up a city. So it is still turned based from the standpoint that like your army, and your community gets to do all its moves, and then the computer or your opponent, whatever all gets to do their moves. So it's a little less stressful, because you're not just you're not frantically trying to do everything at the exact same time your opponents, like people can play games and civilization over months. Because you know, you you play whenever you can, you get on there and you do your turn all your moves. And then it might be a day or two before your opponent gets on there. And doesn't if you guys are playing that way.

Hick: 31:22

Now when you're playing the computer, I would hate that man, because that's what I hated about Animal Crossing was that you did things and then you'd literally had to wait to the next day and human time to like, see those results. And it drove me nuts because I have limited time. Like I can play games. So I play them. I want to be able to accomplish tasks, even if it's very small. I want to be able to accomplish tasks. If I need to time skip, let me time skip Yeah, can kind of skip my fucking life because my kid, my guy, my kids, I got everything else going on. So when I play video game live, we get to a certain point. So if I gotta see our I hate this idea, because I can't wait for somebody else to get on or make their moves. I'm, I'm moving on, I'm doing something.

Red: 32:06

If you're playing the computer, it's a lot quicker because they make their turn really good. You know? Yeah. Plus, it's, I'd rather play the computer than another human Let's

Hick: 32:14

be because you suck, remember

Red: 32:15

exactly. But then like the flight games, this, like the flight simulators, you know, Microsoft Flight Simulator has been a popular game. Back in the old days, you had like the x wing, and TIE Fighter games were insanely popular, where you're literally just in the cockpit of a, you know, a spaceship or a regular you know, fighter jet in like the Microsoft games. And it's really geared towards controlling with a joystick actually, like an actual, like an arcade style joystick. Not that not that those joystick on an Xbox controller, but like an actual like airplane joystick. And like those were used to be a lot more popular than they are now there's still a good niche market for them. But like that French like because just computer supported the joysticks so much better. I mean, the customization, the really expensive ones had a bunch of buttons you could do and that whole x wing and TIE Fighter series back in the day, were massively popular Of course, part of its the Star Wars appeal of you getting to fly an X wing around or a Tie Fighter fine. But so that genre is really well suited to it as well. I'm trying to think of there's one that's really popular right now and I cannot remember the name of for the life of me and it's gonna bother me. But then another one, though, that is popular on consoles as well. But a lot of people think that the computers handle them better is first person shooters. Yeah. And I just now realized that you actually had that on the outline, and I added it again.

Hick: 33:40

To say something about like an alum go.

Red: 33:42

Oh, throw myself under the bus on that one. I totally skimmed right over that one and went straight to

Hick: 33:47

go back. for one second. I can't talk about the flight ones. But like, okay, I played Animal Crossing. I hate it. So in these life simulators, like simulator, which is a console game more but like Sims, or anything like that. I'm probably absolutely going to hate Yeah, one game that I could see myself getting into as far as the simulation genre would be the roller coaster ones which I believe those are games, aren't they? Yeah. Oh,

Red: 34:09

yeah. Cuz they're kind of like, it's I think roller coaster. Blah. I can't talk now after our breather. RollerCoaster Tycoon is the really talking

Hick: 34:16

about read this all runs right together. There's no reasons in this.

Red: 34:20

I don't know that a 10 minute breather at the start of this when were you and shut up? But no like RollerCoaster Tycoon? Is it really popular game where it's it's like they took the old SimCity games where you built an entire city? Yeah, and had the city running and they kind of condensed it down to just like designing a theme park. Yeah, essentially. And those are those are a lot of fun. Because and again, the mouse and keyboard is so much better because the precision that comes with using the mouse and keyboard and all the menu options you have use touch touch of a key. You've got 100 and however many keys on a keyboard to work with. And just the precision of laying out like a roller coaster track. Like I said with the Sim City something like that of a whole city, the streets everything, it just lends itself more to the mouse and keyboard than a joystick or joysticks just a little tougher. like to play these games on a console because it's less precise. You know the mouse use point and click on whatever you want. And it's it's a little simpler. But yeah, those kind of games like I said, the rollercoaster tycoons, the there's a train simulator, it's insanely popular, like, it has so much it has like hundreds of dollars worth of DLC, because there are people out there who love it,

Hick: 35:31

like, the views or something or just,

Red: 35:34

I don't know what it is, but people love it on Steam, it's always one of the more popular games on there. And then I said, The SimCity games where you lay out an entire city and try to get it running as efficiently as you can. I mean, those are, again, the precision of the mouse really helps with the the simulation type games and I'm sorry, I did not mean to move on. Without that.

Hick: 35:54

Those are type games, I need to play set of Assassin's Creed Odyssey with a computer that obviously is not able to handle like, you know, high definition like you know, in like huge graphics kind of games like you know, play something like a simulator or something like that. Now, although the strategy games, I think those can be very graphic heavy. So you know what kind of some of

Red: 36:14

them can because and also like games like civilization, because of just how much is going on? Yeah, not necessarily on the screen. But the numbers crunching behind the screen. It is it's not so much a graphically demanding, but the processing power. So a game like civilization or SimCity, things like that, where there's a lot of number crunching and optimization going on in the background, that that's where things like your RAM and your CPU more so I think than your video card. Yeah, really do drive because the pure processing power of games of that scale, not in terms of visuals, but just the calculations it's doing behind the scenes are so intense. So so i think you know, I don't think your video card is gonna be your, your bottleneck there.

Hick: 37:01

But like you can't talk him and I know you've talked about this when you kind of got into it that kind of went back a little bit. But first person shooters. I've not played any but that is probably the next genre. I need to kind of do some Google because Google is good at something. They're good. Yes, searching, they're not good at Okay, they are good at searching but they are Google and Cassie was the first person shooters are that are good on PC because that's definitely a genre that I want to try next. And you know, I'm getting that itchy feeling like you know, it's paid more I need to buy something. Yeah, do some good research tonight. That um, you know, I can baby by first person shooter game tomorrow, but you kind of talked about some that you'd like, you know, come and kind of do some research of my own. See everybody ranks really highly but you kind of talked about I'll let you kind of expand on this. I'm sure the mouse like in the aiming in general, I've heard is just better on first person shooters is that the reason why you like them so much on the PC, it is it is just the with the the mouse just feels so much more

Red: 38:02

precise. And I know I kind of used that term a lot talking about the strategy and the simulation games. But the precision that comes with the mouse plus, you're not relying on how fast like your x and y axis sensitivity are set on on when you're using a controller like with a mouse it will move as fast as you move that mouse Yeah, for better or worse. Sometimes if you're really trying to focus it on something it can be a hindrance because any little shaky your hand and it's going to pick that up. But to me just the precision and skill some people have on first person shooters with a mouse is mind boggling like every year or I used to have a couple of years I used to try to get down to an event called land war Yeah, and just watching people playing Counter Strike in like a tournament setting is unbelievable the skill these people have with a mouse because they are just flying like the way they're looking around the screen. It's enough to almost make you sick if you get motion sickness because my guess is Yeah, and people like jack up the sensitivity. So he can like have their mouse so it just it it's just so much more precise. And I also love it because I actually do like having the numbers the number row on a keyboard to cycle through your weapons because most of our maps do like your weapons will be mapped like one through however many weapons you have like Call of Duty games you only carry a couple so it'll be like one through four you know Doom you can carry like 10 weapons because Doom doesn't give a shit about realism

Hick: 39:25

that's not a rocket though, man. Like I wasn't realistic aspect to it. But same time I'm okay if it's not realistic, but I gotta admit, man, that's one thing I am still struggling with is the keyboard like you know Yeah, like put my hands in the proper places. And then like on Assassin's Creed Odyssey like yacht party and stuff. So like yaariyan which is cute and that obviously you can change if you want but yeah Q and then get my butt like my fingers back on the buttons the move around. Like I am still struggling but I can't see what you're saying. Like Yeah, no yes click get one through 12 or not one through 12 hello. Say bye Hey there, I'll bleep that out and post production. Oh, yeah. I've been using a keyboard and you're sitting here, you know what I was thinking about the F keys, and not the not Oh, yes. Why? number keys, I was definitely talking about the F keys. But I do like that concept where like, um, you know, you can go through and like, even though you do, I'm a guessing that you still have to look down at the keyboard. But so looking at the keyboard for a few seconds to change a weapon. You know, that's one thing I am excited about with first or foot with first person shooters, and then also PC gaming in general. And I can also know some other ones. And we won't talk about these too long. But um, no, RPGs are kind of great on PC gets a World of Warcraft. Yeah. Skyrim, your Witcher three, which I believe you played on PC, right?

Red: 40:47

Yep, I loved again, just having the number keys to like set like your potions and your signs to was such a clutch thing. And that's why I like games like World of Warcraft, which like the massively multiplayer online games are also perfect for because you could have 1012 skills or spells that you use regularly and just line them up across the top. So anyway, I'm sorry for interrupting you.

Hick: 41:07

I've been kind of using that for Assassin's Creed Odyssey, not like they're more kind of like one through four, like abilities. And I'm not sure if you can get more abilities as the game goes on. But really, as far as number wise, it's just one through four. And then also kind of another great genre on the PC. And these are just ones that we've kind of heard either play well, I'm not playing because I'm getting started in PC gaming, but I've kind of heard you talk about and I've kind of looked online a little bit and if anybody's interested in it, like you know, these are kind of genres that we know that are great. So yet, guess we're trying to help you out. But for once, we're not just

Red: 41:39

pitching stuff we're trying to help.

Hick: 41:41

Yeah, but also adventure games, which, you know, I put that down. I don't know what the hell adventure games are. Do you know what they are? Like?

Red: 41:48

Yeah, like the old school like point and click, I mean, they're almost more called. Shoot, there's a term for it now where it's almost it's also it's not a lot of action. There's not a lot of quote unquote game to it. It's more like pointing and clicking to solve puzzles. Like you think back to old old games like a grim fandango was a really popular back in the day. Some of the old just games like that. I'm totally drawing a blank here. But yeah, it's it's more like clicking around to solve puzzles. Yep, like picking up parts of the environment or tools, whatever, to solve puzzles. So they used to be really popular back in the day they're getting popular again now because all the indie developers put out a lot yeah, really good. Stir like gone home is one of the most popular ones for about that one. Yeah, here in the last couple years. And it's just there I played one called Firewatch not that long ago and really enjoyed it so there's not that much game to them. It's like Yo dude a little point and click into solve puzzle I mean, like there back in the day, they were literally called point and click adventures. So his podcast

Hick: 42:49

is an adventure man I'll tell you it then got like the last round I've heard about a sandbox which I always associate sandbox with open world games but i don't think i think it's more of the concept like you get this like huge world and you can do whatever you want to and that's that's how I read sandbox games but you know your games like Minecraft God big one five you know GTA five is to life those are you know also some great games so kind of like you know summon up great genres on PC we like well once again Yeah, I just started my PC game we'll get you there we're getting bikes and then can also talk about in general to help out any new PC gamers. Yes, simulation strategy. First Person Shooters RPGs adventures and sandbox. There's your lesson from the teachers they can read up TGPZ Media and Busted Buttons but read know it man. Once again, every damn podcast, it flies by talking it just flies by and it's that time we need to wrap up so um, first of all, all these links will be in the description if you want to you can support us on Patreon or PayPal. Patreon is a monthly thing PayPal is kind of one off so if you're like hey dude yeah, I kind of like you but I don't really like you a lot so I just want give you like $1 to cool man. We will take that we appreciate it but you can do that through Pay Pal and and as always indicate support financially which we're absolutely cool with completely understand rating and review. It's not that hard to click the five stars if you're on Apple podcasts which most people are oh you know if it's not five stars just laugh just slide baby you can lie take it we also have some merchandise. On our websites both Zelda on two guys playing Zelda and all video gaming on tg PC gaming. We may earn commission on purchases through our links in ready Kyle and talking about you know our Facebook groups, YouTube discord, social media, blah blah, blah.

Red: 44:45

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