Spider-Man Face Transplant - Busted Buttons Ep. 31

We start with a discussion on the Spider-Man face controversy. Do we hate the change in the PlayStation 5 remaster? Does Peter Parker's new look not bother us that much? Do we prefer the PlayStation 4 version more?

We then dive into Amazon Luna, the new cloud gaming service. Can it be any worse than Google Stadia? How do we feel about game channels? Can it compete with Xbox and PlayStation?

Afterwards, we return to a conversation we had recently, the PS5 pre-order controversy. This issue continues to make news as GameStop Ireland recently said they may not be able to deliver the PS5 until 2021!

Later, we get away from all the negativity and return to something more positive and relaxing, mindless video games. These are the types of video games where we can just shut off our mind and have fun. What are some of our favorites?

We end with a discussion on the market saturation in retro gaming. It seems like so many gamers are fans of it now. Is it just a fad and the cool thing to do? Is it here to last? Do these gamers also play new games?

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Transcript

Hick: 0:17

What's up gamers Welcome to Episode 31 of the Busted Buttons video game podcast in today's gonna be a really interesting podcast because I'm not ready to go, I'm ready to go. I'm excited about this episode, we're going to talk about the Spider Man face transplant, Amazon.

Red: 0:35

way to put it face transplant, I

Hick: 0:37

love some of the pre order controversy still going on with the PlayStation five. And they're all kind of get away from some of the news and some of the happenings in the gaming industry. We're gonna talk about mindless game breaks, basically games where you don't have to use a lot of your brain and you can kind of just get away from those heavy and intense games. And then we're going in on some retro gaming market saturation. I don't understand why everybody almost everybody wants to do all this retro gaming stuff. I don't understand it. But there's just too many of you damn people out there. We're going to talk about that. But you know, we'll do whatever makes you happy. I really don't care that much. But um, anyways, this is a chart where I really usually throw it to red, but um, I kind of know where reds gonna go with this. So I'm gonna start out here myself cuz Oh, you're gonna start off. We talked about before about how some of you gamers you just get mad about the stupidest shit out there. But I gotta say today gamers I stand with you because I kind of heard about this, but I used to get upset. I didn't get upset just talking about it. But I had heard about this, but until read texted me. I had not seen this monstrosity of face that they Insomniac Games is putting in the Spider Man remaster for the PlayStation five. And this thing is fucking hideous. And I usually don't get upset about things like this. But read I just want to punch this in. There's gonna be some f bombs people I usually try to watch even though because I try to watch my cussing, but I am just I'm fucking pissed. I don't know why. But I just want to punch this version of Peter Parker in the face. Like I can't even buy this game, because I'm going to break my TV. If I buy this game like this is hideous. It's like your explanation is bullshit. You got like four people that you're announcing it in this explanation? I don't know who's who who's playing white. But for some reason you had to do some face transplant because of some actor changing row or again recasted but for some reason in Star Wars Princess Leia, who is fucking dead we actually put her in the fucking movies, but in a video game, you can't even put the same fucking face in it. And this guy just is Peter Parker just looks stupid. I mean is so far off. I don't know how you guys could miss this by so much like is Mary Mary Jane's gonna be cheating in this game because that's not the same dude. That was in the 2018 game. Like this guy cannot handle he looks like a little teenager like you know a little baby teenager that just hit puberty like this guy can't handle the black cat was asked what the hell's gonna happen when a Hammerhead comes up to this guy. Like he just looks pitiful. I'm upset and you want to sit there read and I agree with you that usually we gamers usually get worked up about stupid shit but gamers they're upset about this issue. I stand with you today because this thing is hideous. I'm upset I don't know how it is some net gains miss it this much. And this is just I'm worked up I'm worked up right and since I saw this I go I can't wait this podcast today because this face I just like I said I just want to punch this face. So what's

Red: 3:50

your opinions? Oh, I was just gonna let you go for the full 45 minutes. Rolling here for a second. Okay, before before I get going. There are a couple of things I do agree with you with here first and foremost. I do think the new face looks stupid. And that is not an insult to the new face model. I think his name is Ben Jordan. I am not insulting him. I just think they made him look too much like a traditional high school jock. He reminds me of Adam the man demand from fucking workaholics for anyone out there who's seen that show.

Hick: 4:21

Why do you jump Kubiak I didn't know if his Yuri loewenthal Rivers name is Ben Jordan and there was I think that's the man.

Red: 4:29

But so I do agree. I do not like to change the fucking level that fans have taken it to though including you now. so ridiculous because first and foremost, this is insomniacs game. It is their property. Much like everyone who bitched about the special edition of Star Wars and all the shit that George Lucas changed. It's his creation. It's his product. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to do with it. I feel the same way about Insomniac and like yes Think their explanation is a little flimsy and just a little background what they came out and said was to get the full impact of what they're going for with the next gen graphics. They needed to get a face model that more closely matched the guy they used for the facial motion capture. Now that confused the fuck out of me for a second. Yeah, so I'm like, wait, so you have a guy do facial motion capture and then you slap another face on top of them and all of a sudden, we've got a fucking Nicolas Cage john travolta face off situation going. And and so they're like, okay, so we need to find someone who was a little closer to the actual motion caption motion capture actor which was the URI loewenthal. And if I'm butchering these names, as always, we apologize. We're not accidents. But you know, so he was the original like motion capture guys like okay, we need a face that more closely matches him to get the more expressive look with the next gen. That sounds a little flimsy to me. I can kind of believe it, but it sounds a little flimsy. And I gotta say when I saw the side by side screenshots, I'm with you. I prefer the old version. That is not my beef. My beef is these people who are fucking as a vocal minority of gamers just take the littlest slight or the stand up gamers and flip the fuck out for no reason. I mean, this isn't quite as severe is the people sending death threats to the fucking voice actor for the girl from The Last of Us? That's a little ridiculous, but everyone who's like this isn't my Peter Parker. This isn't my PlayStation four spider man. I'm like, well fucking good. It's a PlayStation five game now bitch get over. I just think this was much ado about fucking absolutely nothing. Hey, if it makes it look better in terms of the expressions, the you know, the actual way the face looks then more power to them. You know, take advantage that fucking PlayStation five technology in I'm actually going to back on Nintendo instead of pull a fucking Nintendo and just put it into a 64 game on the switch and say that's a fucking rebound.

Hick: 7:00

Yeah, I was thinking about that today. Yeah,

Red: 7:02

so I mean, it's, it's, you know, see people get worked up about it. I when I first saw the side by side it I was like, why would they do this? Like he I don't like how much they make him look like a younger like because the whole idea was that he was a bit of a mentor to Miles Morales so he's supposed to be a little older than mine. Yeah, def and this fucking guy does not look older than Miles Morales but

Hick: 7:24

teenager did that his hip He really looks

Red: 7:27

like but like I said I think the the backlash and well not as severe as some gamer backlash we've seen and we've talked about on the show before but it's still Calm the fuck down everyone to pull an Aaron Rodgers realize there's much more worse shit going on in the world right now that Insomniac deciding they want to change the face of their character. And yes, I know it's Marvel's character, or Sony's or whoever the fuck owns the rights to it. Yeah, muscle dropping f bombs like crazy. Now I apologize.

Hick: 7:54

I think I'm big more upset because you were expecting my reaction was why I went worse today.

Red: 8:01

So I think you know, hey, if it's worth it for Insomniac, and they think that it can help them make a better, you know, expressive character, then I'm all for it. I mean, even like the original motion capture guy, the URI loewenthal has come out and said, He's like, it's my fault. I'm sorry, I had different cheekbones. You know,

Hick: 8:19

some tweet like that. So why did he do it again? Was there a reason?

Red: 8:22

Well, he still did the facial capture, but I guess that actual Uri loewenthal guys like in his 40s so they can't really use his actual face. So they just did it for the motion capture, and then put a different face model on top of that motion capture. I didn't know that until Yes, whole controversy blew up. Because I was so confused too. I was like, Wait, isn't it all just Uri loewenthal space like that was my time? And I'm like wait, did they totally do like new voice cat or new facial capture new motion capture? like no, we just slapped a different face on it. And that's what's your life and like this is some fucking face off shit. But it's just it's another instance I think we're gamers got a little blown up but and and you know, I get it. We all become attached to video game characters. I mean, I'm guilty of that, too. I love a lot of iconic video game characters. But, man, everyone take a deep breath. Take a drink. Chill. No,

Hick: 9:15

no, the thing was I just saw it just made me mad. Like I don't even know if I have a logical reasons. I'm not a huge Spider Man fan. I don't I'm not gonna say oh, that's my period. I'm not even going by the game because I've already played it. But like, No, I'm not saying say oh, that's my Peter Parker everything. All I know is that I saw this guy's face and I wanted to punch it and I knew that was not a good thing for me. But I kind of said you know what? that a lot of times we were kind of more calm. We don't get worked up about this stuff. But I don't know. I saw it in like, this is not going from the PlayStation two to the PlayStation four. Like if you're like increasing the graphics that much then I understand a face looking different. But you look at the like comparison which you know, I've said before, do 4k over like YouTube or like, you know, the internet is Not as good as you're going to see it on 4k HDR TV. So the game will look better than it looks in like the IGN comparison, or whatever. But just like it was so far off and so different to me, it almost feels like you're playing a different character. Yeah, for a remaster game I've really not really, I know, I went off, but I don't really care that much. Because like I said, I'm not buying the game, but it's so far off to me. Like it does feel like you're playing a whole different character. And I just, you know, they could go with all the bullshit. Like, there's some underlying reason for why this happened. Somebody didn't like something, somebody ran into an issue or whatever it is,

Red: 10:38

you know what it was they wanted to look more like Tom fucking Hall and

Hick: 10:42

that's exactly fine. And that's fine, but didn't come out and say that, but this is something like do it in the next game. Like you don't need to do in a remaster. So for me? Yeah, I mean, you know, I am worked about I'm not gonna lie. Now. I don't care as much as like, you know, I'm not gonna death threats, or anything. I

Red: 10:58

don't care that much. No game, no game or ever. Shoot. That's Yeah,

Hick: 11:01

but like, I mean, they just made it look so different. It's just like, Why? Because the graphics aren't going to look that much different. They are going to look better on the PS five versus four, four, but they're not gonna look that much different. So to make a change, like this huge, it's just like, you should have known this was coming. It was going to come because you may. It's just I don't know, man. I saw I was like, This is so bad. That I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go easy. It was like Mayor Osborne son to be honest with you. Like the first thing that I thought because, you know, let's not let's be honest, he's not the not the best, in my opinion, the best looking guy meraas board and I saw this, you know, I just like he looks he looks exactly like his son, which now feel bad because Mayor Osborne son was in that, you know, cryogenic chamber or Oh, yeah, you know, saying that, but that's you It looks like that's exactly who it looks like. But, you know, I guess we'll kind of move on. I just, I had to go first, because I knew I had rain. I knew you were expecting me to have a rant about it. Oh, no, I didn't.

Red: 12:00

I think we both had a pretty good rant line. Yeah, just to

Hick: 12:03

be more upset. But anyways, you guys are changing something that might get mixed feelings. Amazon recently came out with their new cloud gaming service called Amazon Luna rice, which I was really pissed off about first because I thought it was a I thought the character for Mario was Luna and they did some research they found that was actually Luma so I thought they were still Nintendo character. This is some bullshit right here. I don't know how to get away with this. But um, I'll go ahead I'll throw to you. What's your overall opinions of the Amazon Luna and the whole announcement?

Red: 12:35

Well, my first reaction a I'd kind of even forgot that it was something that they had announced. I honestly until I saw it, like you're kind of comments in your notes here. I'm like, What the fuck is Amazon? Like? Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess they are kind of getting into the streaming service. But my first impression is, Oh, god, it's gonna be Google stadia. 2.0 Yeah, I mean, it's just because we've said, companies like Microsoft companies like Google, and companies like Amazon, have the infrastructure I feel like to do this right. And Google's face planted so poorly. And I know I'm ragging on stadia and we're supposed to be talking about Luna but it's just

Hick: 13:10

they're always allowed to rag on stadia. I don't care if we're talking about like a Super Mario World game, Super Mario World, you can rag on Google stay, right. I know where to be,

Red: 13:20

I will find a reason to but just to me, it just that that lifts such a bad initial taste to streaming. I don't know, guys, yeah, one of the video things may have been before whatever. But it's just now I see one and I just roll my eyes, like x cloud, I have a little more faith because they're building it into the Xbox. They're building it into game pass, like

Hick: 13:38

Microsoft makes video games and console,

Red: 13:40

right. And they're bringing it along very slowly. Like it was in like a beta phase for ever just so people could try it and try it for free. You know, he's had to get used to apply for an invitation. So now I see another company granted, Amazon also has a massive online, you've got Amazon Web Services, they've got the servers, they've got the infrastructure to do it. I just I just can't imagine that it's any worse than it's No, no, but but I've been surprised before so I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic. Like it's just I you know, it's coming to the fire TV. It's coming to PCs coming to Apple right now, it's not coming to Android, but it will be down the line. You know, it's got its own controller just like stadia just like everything else. So it's, it's one of those where I'm like, Okay, another competitor is not a bad thing. You know, I think competition. We talked about this, like with the exclusives for the consoles, like I think the competition is a good thing. It's another service and if it works, then great but what really kind of caught my eye on it is this whole like they're talking about doing gaming channels you subscribe to they're gonna have their own Luna plus, which is like the base. I think it's 599 while they're in the beta, just the base channel and it has just got decent lineup of games. Yeah. You know, control some games like that. So some big third party games, and then they're going to have it sounds like starting with Ubisoft, they're going to have different channels for like different. I'm not sure it's going to be developers. I think obviously with Ubisoft, it's obviously a developer. But then they even mentioned something like different genres would have their own channel. So yeah, that's what really stood out to me. What did you think of that particular approach they're taking? It seems a lot different from stadia or from x cloud. What do you think of this channels you subscribe to?

Hick: 15:30

I mean, I guess I would really hate to see it in play like you know, exactly. Okay. So you have this channel you subscribe or whatever. And you to me like why do you need a channel? Like you just put the games on the platform and you play them? So like, I don't understand like, exactly. Okay, this Ubisoft channels just gonna have I'm thinking that Assassin's Creed is Ubisoft. Right?

Red: 15:47

Yep. Okay. Are there other really big one? So but yeah, so like,

Hick: 15:53

Okay, first of all, like, you might read more, but like, what exactly is this chip? Like? Is it just gonna be the games on this separate channel? And do you have to pay more for that?

Red: 16:01

Well, if it's anything like like Amazon Prime, and I know I'm, I think you've got prime. But yeah, you actually watch the shows. Like you can get, you know, you pay your basic, you know, 1015 bucks a month, but you can get like the HBO Yeah, for a premium, you can get stars or Showtime. Okay. So I assume it's gonna be like that. Like you said, the basic Luna plus will be the six bucks a month or whatever. And I'm guessing each channel on top of that has its own price unless, unless the publisher so here

Hick: 16:29

we go again, with all the damn description or subscriptions. Okay, so we got Google stadia, and we got you know, Amazon loon, okay? Is it okay, so you got subscribe not to both of those. But let's just let's get out control already. And then you name is on Luna, and then you get subscribed to this one to play this game, this one to play this game, all of a sudden, again, 5555 all these little ticks in tax, right? Doing that shit. For video subscriptions, like, peacock, I'm looking at you, you put a bunch of Premier League games on the very first week, I said Damn, I got by this. So I'll go out and buy a good job. Good job, you got my money, they got so sick of these little $5 hits here and there because everybody's taking their own properties. You know, I understand. But these like platforms like Netflix and like, you know, Hulu, they're losing everything and so much like but they don't go down price they stay the exact same price. And then all these other people like peacock ABC, I don't know who all has one yet, but it is all access. Yeah, well, they're gonna take all their properties. They're gonna make you pay, you know, usually around five bucks, maybe 10 to watch their shows on their platforms. And so this is exactly and this is where this whole cloud gaming like I understand that yes, it is a future but how many people are going to get involved which is my first problem like okay x Xbox getting involved I in Microsoft, I understand PlayStation with PlayStation now understand they make video games and they make console so for them to get into this cloud gaming space makes sense? You didn't hear comes everybody else want a piece of the pie? Google Amazon and they all got their own controllers and their controllers are shit the Amazon Luna like that's so damn blank. Like that's just a boring controller. There's a little bit purple in it which I'm not big purple fan but that Oh cool. At least are going with a little bit different code stands out Yeah, at least it stands out but that can charge us blah you know there's there's really nothing to it has the offset joysticks for red over there?

Red: 18:22

Hell yeah. Sorry. It's already better than the DualShock

Hick: 18:25

I don't mind I mean, I do like offset joysticks. But I don't mind the DualShock controllers there is the the PlayStation controllers is why I'm saying if you don't know, but yeah, I'm just yeah, it's getting out of control with you know, then we're going okay, here's what's going to happen. Ubisoft gonna be on Amazon. And then you're going to have what's in Game Studios, Sucker Punch I'm playing goes to Tsushima right now, yeah, they'll be on Google. Nobody's gonna be on Google stadia. They're gonna be on another one. So you got to pay for Google stadia, you want to pay for x cloud, you got to pay for Amazon, you have to get up South over here, you're gonna get Sucker Punch over here, you'll get the rock star over here. And it's just, it's a model that it's just it's going to work out eventually. But it's not going to work out in the beginning. Because to me, people want to get in on this. They understand that the gaming industry is billions of dollars, and it's not gonna go well first. It's just not. It's probably a long time I think because of what I'm saying. But um, I don't know. Go ahead, man.

Red: 19:22

I will say like, I'm, I'm glad you brought up the point of like, Okay, if I want to play this game, I've got to have this service. If I want to play this game, I've got to have this service. Because you're exactly right. We've seen that happen with television. If you want to want you know, you've got amazon prime exclusives, you've got Netflix original content, you've got Hulu original, and HBO, Max or whatever the hell it's like they all have their own content or their own like they're each aligned to a streaming service. And so far, and I know we're very early in the video game streaming process. I that that hasn't happened with third party games yet. It seems like you know, games like control stuff like that. They want to be on as many. And I keep saying control because that's one of the big ones that Luna was showing off and everything I read, but it seems to be available in several places, which is good. Like, that's it

Hick: 20:10

till somebody pays them to be on one. That's the

Red: 20:13

biggest thing. It's like when HBO bought the rights for fucking, you know, Seinfeld, or whatever it was whoever whoever who learns which do and then so it's like, I'm worried that as these different streaming services mature and get a little further along, we are, they're gonna realize, okay, we have a stable thing, it works. Now let's start getting that content to get the subscribers and that's when they're gonna start spending big money. We already see it with Sony, and with Microsoft buying up developers to have exclusives on their consoles. If that makes sense, though, you know, I agree. I agree how long until the streaming services start paying? Ubisoft or Bethesda? Well, I know that this is now in bed with it with Microsoft. But yeah, like said Rockstar, what are these huge companies? What happens when Amazon says here's$5 billion, or whatever? Yeah, you're only going to be on Luna, you're not going to be on x cloud, you're not going to be on PlayStation. Now. You're not gonna be on stadia. Like, at some point. It's just I do think that's going to happen. And because we saw it happen with video streaming, where these big streaming companies started throwing the money around and saying, okay, I want you to be exclusive to Netflix. I want you to be exclusive to Hulu, whatever.

Hick: 21:28

So I do think NBC came back and said we want our own properties back

Red: 21:32

right exactly that like CBS started CBS all access for their own shit. So your I, my one good thought to all this is I don't think that many companies can sustain a video game streaming service. Like I feel like video streaming just about every media company can kind of do it or Yeah, like regular video streaming. Yeah, streaming video games is I feel like a much it seems like a much more difficult.

Hick: 21:59

Yeah. And we already have four of them.

Red: 22:01

Right? And but I don't think there's that many more companies that could pull it off. like Google has the server infrastructure and the Amazon, Microsoft, Sony, I know nividia kind of tried it and that, you know, then they fucked up all their agreements with

Hick: 22:15

a little bit different cuz they're mostly they are PC actually, I think they might have like, in some parts and like consoles, or whatever. I'm not really sure. But there was

Red: 22:23

a hardware developer in general, as opposed to the software side of things. So I I do think eventually, there's just not going to be that many at least in America. I mean, a worldwide you know, companies like 10 cent, it's the huge gaming company over in China, stuff like that could probably pull something off. But like, I do think eventually there's just not going to be that many companies. Yeah, have the server and in web infrastructure to do this.

Hick: 22:47

Like figure it out. It's gonna get cheaper to get

Red: 22:49

market. That is the flip side. That is the flip side. So I'm Luna. Like I said, it's a wait and see. Just like all the streaming tech it very much is a wait and see for me. Yeah, I mean, I'm

Hick: 22:59

more excited about that than I am Google stadia, though

Red: 23:01

Well, that's, that's a pretty fucking low bar for sure. But it just to me, I'm just like, you know, if it works great, I'm happy you know, and if they price these, like individual channels, let's say they're, they're three bucks a pop or whatever, once you get past the initial $6, subscription, whatever you price it at, and you can kind of pick and choose a little bit. I'm not I don't I like that concept. It's better than studies where he sucks. You have to pay for the fucking full game. Yeah, it was just the dumbest idea. Yeah, Xbox, in my opinion, has the best solution where it's all wrapped up in game pass. Like That is amazing. So and that's not just me being an Xbox fanboy. But you know, in my opinion, that's their, like, big selling point. So I'm really curious to see if it works out. It all does come down to a does it work and be how's the pricing

Hick: 23:45

and here's my problem with it. They had this like they say they had this multi antenna that allows for uninterrupted Wi Fi for lower latency, which is basically gives you the ability to move from like a screen to a screen. This ain't gonna work, man. Like that's a problem, right? When we play my PC, then all of a sudden switch to my iPad, then my iPhone, that is not going to work smoothly. That's gonna crash and burn. We all know that. But anyways, why Amazon's announcement of the cloud gaming coming into the cloud game market might be exciting for some gamers. We know one thing that's not exciting for any gamers or

Red: 24:21

GameStop we're coming from

Hick: 24:24

GameStop here we come. But um, the pre or controversy for the ps4 skins is teenis Amazon finds itself in the middle. But let's just go ahead and get into this. Let's go ahead start ripping GameStop red what's your whole pens on just how this PS five pre order controversy just keeps on going.

Red: 24:42

It's not very often we get a podcast these days where we get to bash on GameStop and on a streaming service, but we are in luck today. We've already bash on Amazon. And don't worry Amazon, you're not off the hook yet. We're gonna get you again. But now we finally mean Google stadia

Hick: 24:57

or we also bash on Google stadia. Now Amazon,

Red: 25:01

all the above streaming services in general not named x cloud. Sorry, there's about fanboy show when again, I'm sorry. But no. So like you mentioned, there's a lot of these PlayStation five controversies coming up. And I knew things were a little bit of a mess when the pre orders first went live, just because that's a lot of demand server, you know, the the storefronts, things like that aren't necessarily ready to handle all getting slammed at the same time, like GameStop was doing like online cues. You know, Playstation was telling some people it was available, but not others. So the whole thing was a little bit of a shit show from the get go. But that should show from the get go. There you go. Now it sounds like there's still continuing issues. And I honestly, because I'm not doing the pre order thing. I hadn't read too much into some of these other issues, just because I'm like, I'm taking my chances on release day. So when you kind of brought up a couple of these issues, I'm like, holy shit, there's some serious issues going on. So I'm actually going to kind of kick it back to you. And you know, kind of take us through kind of what's happening a little bit, and then we'll get to bashing.

Hick: 26:05

Yeah, well, we've already talked about this, I think in the last episode, or like, you know, one of the later episodes we have talked about this. Yeah, the only reason that I put on the outline was because of GameStop. Man, I saw GameStop I go Yep, outline. We're putting it on there. But um, there's this target. I know, we already know what's going on. But like I said, GameStop appeared. I was like, yo, yo, know us, we like to bash on GameStop. We like to bash on stadia. And here it goes GameStop. Again, they're Ireland company or branches, wherever you want to call it. Like, you know, they're expecting, like they're telling customers who pre ordered not to expect their console until 2021. And this is something that only GameStop could pull off, man. Like, if you're not gonna get like day one or day two, like Amazon, or maybe even a week later, you know, or a couple weeks later, okay, maybe Okay, I'm upset. But I understand. But there's loads. Yeah. GameStop Ireland, saying that you're not gonna get the consoles until 2021. That's almost two months later, and you wouldn't use this. This is unfathomable. How does something like this happen? And the answer is always Not always. Usually GameStop? Yes.

Red: 27:15

They are a good safe answer.

Hick: 27:17

Yeah. But you know, and then also, you know, we get the whole, like I said, the whole Amazon thing, saying they're not gonna be there, like, you know, release day in, you know, for me and you. I don't think that's a big deal. Because as we know, in you all gamers that are younger, you will experience this, and you get like, you know, older and older, you get busier and busier and busier. I don't really know. I still can't figure it out. I don't have really any more shiftable I got kids now. But other than that, like, you don't have that much more to do than when you were younger. But for some reason, he just busier and like just goes faster. So for us that get console for one or two things like one or two days. We got shit to do.

Red: 27:54

We're gonna be it's not the end of the world. Yeah.

Hick: 27:57

But that's not the way for a lot of gamers. A lot of gamers do one day one I don't understand because I still wanted day one. I'm just like, not going to get as upset is like, you know, some of you which I say I understand this one. I do understand how you get upset about this. So I'm okay. thing. Just it just sucks in like, you knew this was gonna happen? Yeah, with every single console. That's why the communication needs to be better. The sisters need to be better. You need to know, hey, this server store GameStop is getting this many systems, right? That's how many you put up for pre order. Like this shit. isn't that hard? Is

Red: 28:32

that what happened? Did they offer too many pre orders? And they don't have the stock to fill them? Or was

Hick: 28:37

that that's what I would guess like if you're saying to give him a tooth out until 2021? Like you took more pre orders, then you have like two delivery doesn't take two months, you know? No, unless you're like on a swing set for your kids or something like that. It wasn't actually a Swimsuit Issue lately, where something just took Oh, it was the exercise bike, the exercise bike. Here, I was like 2020. That doesn't make any sense. But anyways, a console should not take two months to get there. So this taken you two months, you took a pre order for a console that you technically will physically you're not gonna have your hands because it's right out yet. But for a console that you did not have. So it's just continuing on GameStop it's like

Red: 29:21

Seinfeld, you know how to take the reservation. You don't know how to hold the recipe is the most important

Hick: 29:29

part, taking the reservation.

Red: 29:32

So no, I that's the logical explanation in my mind is that they took too many reservations, reservations now. I'm laughing at Seinfeld. Yeah, too many pre orders that they weren't prepared to handle. And that I mean, that could have been a simple computer error or that fucked up or I mean, it's a lot of things can go into that. I get that but it just shows you the continued incompetence of GameStop in general. Now the Amazon situation surprises me a little bit. I know there are a lot of instances where people pre order A game and maybe it shows up the next day. It shows up one day after release early or or the day early like I got with Mario 3d AllStars that was a nice surprise. But no for me like I got the last of us part two a day late and you know, but I was busy with other shit. I didn't get to touch it any I'm still playing it so I'm not too complacent,

Hick: 30:19

why you guys should go all digital, you

Red: 30:23

say it makes it great when the girlfriend's giving you a gift. Okay, yeah, that's true. That's true, but no, it's just it. So the Amazon one day thing doesn't bother me quite as much. Now if you're a person who, you know, makes money off reviewing these things off testing them out, whether it's, you know, actually through one of the like big websites, or you know, it's your blog, it's your YouTube channel, it's your Twitch, stream, whatever. And you're relying on that, and you don't get that product in your hand day one, then that I can see where people can get jinya because that's affecting your business that's affecting your income stream, if your last to show up something off, and it's just like, hey, it's just like the news. The first is always the first to the story. Not that not not who's the most accurate is the one who gets lucky

Hick: 31:08

as your business model, get another business model. That's my that's my advice.

Red: 31:12

We also put up one video, every sick. Yeah.

Hick: 31:16

But it's like you just like talking about right now is too stressful to me, like your income to be through YouTube. And there's a lot of other things, your taxes are higher, you got paid for your health insurance, your lawyer is not paying part of your taxes. So there's a lot of other things behind the scenes. But I mean, it's exactly right. I mean, if you are one day late hits these YouTubers, like you really know I say, you know, get different day job, like this is what they do. And you gotta respect that that is how they make their money. So I mean, yeah, you can say or say, oh, here's some advice, do something different. But at the same time that you also do have to respect them, because that is their income. That's how they pay for things, whether it's family kids insurance, or just you know, whatever, you know, game but I but

Red: 31:59

I do understand from Amazon's standpoint, though, it's, you can't get every single thing, like, delivered to every single part of the country. It was on can well, they try. They didn't try but

Hick: 32:12

especially their debit. We don't GameStop can't do that shit.

Red: 32:16

Oh, GameStop apparently can't get it to you till 2021. So no,

Hick: 32:19

no. Yeah, that's true.

Red: 32:21

Sorry, Ireland. So to me, it just, it cracks me up. I do get it that from Amazon, it is tough, especially if you live in a more rural area where you don't have the distribution center close by I mean, we're lucky in our city, that we have a distribution center. I mean, it's we get shipped pretty quick. Yeah, sometimes a day in advance, which is awesome. But

Hick: 32:41

yeah. But

Red: 32:42

I do understand kind of on Amazon site, but at least they're saying you'll get it the next day. They're not they're not saying you're not getting it for fucking two months. Like that just blows my mind. It will it would blow my mind, then you say the magic word GameStop. And it no longer blows my mind. It's just it's, they are just the devil for everything.

Hick: 33:00

I said, you know, we did talk about this recently. But then GameStop came up I had to put on the album. But anyways, you know, sometimes y'all see this right now, sometimes, US gamers, we just need a break from all the crap. We're just mentally exhausted. We're mentally exhausted on this podcast, like we had been worked up, folks. And we were not playing. While I was playing and worked up at the beginning, I was not planning on it continuing all the way through the pockets has been very negative. So let's step back a little bit. And let's do something like let's talk about mindless video games. And these are basically just video games where either you're stressed out, you're mentally exhausting. They don't take a lot of like concentration. They don't take a lot of brainpower. You just turn them on. They're very simple. And you just play them. And I really think it takes gaming back to just being fun. So read I kind of went through to you right here. What are some of those mindless games that you like?

Red: 33:54

Well, to me, it's like every now and then you just you need a palate cleanser. You need something like maybe you mentioned like, either you're stressed out whatever. Or maybe you've been playing a game that is like very deep or tense. You know, you've got your games like the last of us, things like that, where it's very, like their emotional games, and they're stressful games to play. And every now and then you need that palate cleanser, just to be like, who I need something I can shut my brain off and just go and yeah, it made me really think of this is that you had mentioned something about you liked having Mario Mario Sunshine in this particular instance, as like a second game you're playing while you're playing other games because it kind of gives you even though I'm not saying you can just shut your brain off for like these 3d Mario games, because there's still some challenge to it. But you know, it's it's you can Yeah, or I got

Hick: 34:43

that but go ahead. But you know, it

Red: 34:46

lets you kind of take a refresh. And for me, and this is kind of weird, cuz it's actually a puzzle game that makes you think like I go back to totes Treasure Tracker quite a bit because I haven't beaten every chapter yet. I've gotten to Most of them but I haven't beaten all of them so every now and then, if I just want something casual somewhere I can just you still got to think a little bit but you're not like running from enemies or stealthily sneaking through the place you're just trying to get from point A to point B. collect a few diamonds along the way boom. You know, I toad treasure tracker is one that I go to a lot and before I beat it for the damn second time, Mario Odyssey was one that I love picking up and being like, because there's again, there's 880 unique moons in that game, you know, you could pick that game up play for just a few minutes grab a moon or to see it maybe unlock a new world whatever and then just put it back down. And you're totally fine like I loving I love having Mario games in general because the especially the 3d ones, yeah, where you just pick it up, grab a couple stars grab a couple power moons depending on the game you're playing. And then you're good. You're good. So I know it seems like I've been harping on like Nintendo being the one that really gives us some of those you know, relax palate cleanser type games, but they're great at it. They're great at the small doses. Yeah, so for me whenever I need just to calm down for a few minutes, you know, get that like you said refresh my brain a little bit. I reach for something like that where you're trying to collect stars, you're trying to meet a chapter. What about

Hick: 36:16

you though? Well, first of all, treasure tracker is a game where you do have to use your brain but you do I do understand what you're trying to say right there. It's kind of back to our whole complaint about like, you know, Nintendo not releasing enough games on the switch like Treasure Tracker was a remake or a remaster Deluxe whatever you want to call it like they've had like Yeah, we got Super Mario 3d All Stars and I'm so happy we'll talk about this but um, Treasure Tracker like we could get a new we can get Treasure Tracker to Damon Nintendo and red is right why you do use your brain is somewhat Yeah, you gotta use your brain but it is a mindless game. I don't know exactly how to you got play it it's right there. relaxing. It's a fun and relaxing game. So Nintendo give us Treasure Tracker too because I need more mindless games because like Red said we are basically talking Nintendo here your Mario games your 3d Mario games like they're just great to go into grab a star grab a shine grab a power moon. Love that and also I'm gonna go to racing games for a quick second just right Yes, they're great for that. You know your Forza your grand tour is most I don't really like the arcade racing games so much because they're not well real. Yeah. My cars handle not how they're supposed to handle so I'm more of a real racing simulator kind of guy. Like I said, your forces, your Gran Turismo so those are also great, but going back to Mario now like those 3d worlds like are 3d games. Yeah, like you can go and just grab something really quickly. Yeah, here there go open up a new land and really kind of extending on that. I think 3d platformers as a whole are great this Yeah, they does. 3d platformers for the most part aren't that difficult except for sunshine? I don't know what is with fucking sunshine man. Like borrow games like they're usually challenging, but I am struggling with sunshot so I hope everybody else out there like the platforming is like just ridiculous like it's it is nerve racking. But it's exciting. It's rewarding but I am struggling with the difficulty This is the hardest Mario game that I've ever played. So I don't know who that sounds much sunshine is like fits into this category of mindless fun relaxing games because I'm stressing the fuck out playing Super Mario Sunshine but

Red: 38:29

that same thought where you just go in you grab a couple things and you get back out like I'm glad you mentioned racing games because those are great for he's going to circle where you can spend a little time like you said on the more realistic ones like in your garage just trying to tweak things a little bit.

Hick: 38:44

You know, maybe you do more than going circles though. Read you go ride racks are y'all curvy and stuff? I know bash on my Forza my Gran Turismo is man,

Red: 38:52

I'm not I'm not but you get what I mean. But you know so and and this is a kind of funny one that I think because it is a game that can be a little intense, but I treat like the Call of Duty games not online because fuck online gaming at this age in my life, but like the campaign's they kind of get bagged on quite a bit because they are they are the equivalent of the summer blockbuster. Lots of explosions, lots of loud noises, not a lot of substance in general, just you know, get from point A to point B shoot as many people as you can very cinematic like to me, I'm actually a fan every now and then if I want something kind of mindless of just firing up a call of duty like one of the single player campaigns and it is intense from the standpoint that you're in firefights. You're trying to snipe or you're trying to do whatever but at the same time, like I said, it is just like going to the movie theater and watching a summer blockbuster. You don't have to think too hard about point shoot run. That's basically all there is to the Call of Duty games and that you know it works. They're one of the most successful franchises in history and you know, every now and then you're just firing up one of their little six to eight hour single player campaigns. Yeah, is a great way to break up. You know, you Put 100 hours into, you know, an Assassin's Creed game, you put 200 hours into a witcher game, whatever it is getting that little six to eight hour break, even though it is a more intense game, I still look at that as almost a bit of a palate cleanser, like I said, just like a summer blockbuster would be but, you know, we talk a lot about mindless games like difficulty and things like that. And you mentioned this, like back in the day, games were not simple. They were very tough these, especially these 2d platformers. Man, they were a fucking struggle, and they're still hard today. They still are. And that's kind of what we wanted to get at. You know, it seems like this whole and I know, we've touched on retro gaming in prior episodes, you know, back earlier in our in our history. But you know, it seems like retro gaming is still really, really popular, whether it's people remaking old games, or just making new games in the same style as the old games. But you know, what, what are your kind of thoughts on this whole retro gaming craze? Is it something that you get into? Or is you suddenly kind of shake your head and say, What the hell is going

Hick: 41:00

on? So what it is, is the markets oversaturated if you're a content creator, or thinking about being a content creator, do not get into retro gaming, because everybody out there is doing retro grimy, retro gaming, there's no niche there is the niche is full, but um, I don't know. And the reason I kind of like came across this because on Twitter, like, you know, I just see, like, you know, a lot of people talk to some people, you know, I sees profiles, and everything a lot of is just whether tweets be retro gaming, or their profile be retro gaming. There's just a lot of gaming. That is retro gaming. And for me, yeah, like, it's something that

Red: 41:36

I prefer, take a drink of your beer there and then take a second No, I look at, and I think we are in an age that is very ripe for retro gaming, because Yeah, I think so many people got into gaming in the early to mid 80s, with the Atari, regular NES. And those people are now us, you know, we're now in our 30s. and enjoying, you know, we still think back very fondly on those old games. So I think there's definitely a market there for because now we're the people with disposable income. Yeah, we're the people that are like going out and buying these games, or in some people's cases, trying to get their kids into it now. And we want them to experience what gaming was like back when we had to deal with it. Not when you could just fire up fucking fortnight on your damn iPhone. Well, not that you can do that right now. Because that whole legal battle. Yeah, that's a whole different story. But so I think the market is very ripe for it just because of the age that we as people who grew up in the 80s, as gainers were now the ones spending the money. So now that hopefully you've recovered from COVID

Hick: 42:41

to throw it to you, but thanks for coming in. But for me, like, I just wonder, is it kind of like a fad? Like, it seems like it's kind of the cool thing to do. And that's what bothers me about it like, Okay, if you're really like, you know, in the retro gaming and everything. And my first question is, are these retro gamers like new gamers? Or are they only strictly retro gaming? And, like, yeah, I understand, like, yeah, there's an established element to going back. And playing past games. Like, that's really fun. That's really cool. But just to me, I don't know sometimes I'm just, I'm concerned, like, are you just doing it? Because everybody else is doing it? Or like, you know, that call, like, you know, gamers, or retro gamers fake, but like, you know, are you just trying to fit in with the crowd? Like I said, He's trying to be cool and stuff. And it's just, there's just so much of it out there. Where, like, there's so much new gaming, that is good. That is a lot of fun to play. There is a I'm trying to figure out why everybody's into retro gaming. And these new indie titles, you could kind of say, you know, the door styles are like retro gaming, but they're different. They're more based in games. Were back in the day, more user friendly these days. Wow. Yeah, made user friendly, but they're still difficult, but I'm looking at you, like bashing by ear or anything like that. I'm just saying, sometimes I wonder if it's just the cool thing that fed in, you know, like, I don't know, man. Getting on it. I just think the market is saturated. Yeah, like to me people talk about to me content creators trying to do it. And my question at the end of the day is, is are you actually in the retro gaming? Do you care about those 80s and 90 games? Or are you just doing it to try to be cool, and that's the part that bothers me. And

Red: 44:17

I think a lot of it is following the fad. I mean, you said that with streaming whenever the next big game comes up on Twitch people jump to it, if like, let's say one of the most popular streamers in the world, like when like using ninja is an example jumped from twitch to mixer or whatever the hell he jumped to, like people follow that. Yeah, I get that because you know it now that people are like, oh, retro is starting to get popular or they're starting to, you know, be successful again. We got to follow that we got to get bad. Well, it's like all the fucking Battle Royale games that came out as soon as, like, playground knowns, battlegrounds? And then fortnight became popular. Everyone in their fucking mother had a battle royale. Yeah. So it's like it's one of those where it's like, part of it is definitely people following the fad. I Do think part of it is people, like I said, being Rh who remember when that's all games were Yeah. And it's fun to go back. So I'm, I'm curious, see how long it holds up though I'm absolutely

Hick: 45:10

with you. But if you're like 20, and you say you're a retro gamer you're playing, you're like, no, that's not retro gaming man. But as usual, we've actually,

Red: 45:18

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