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And final question."},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3077.64,"endTime":3080.01,"body":"What are your thoughts about"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3077.64,"endTime":3080.01,"body":"pineapple on pizza?"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3080.55,"endTime":3084.78,"body":"I used to work"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3080.55,"endTime":3084.78,"body":"at Pizza Hut in my last year of"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3084.78,"endTime":3088.47,"body":"high school, and I didn't"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3084.78,"endTime":3088.47,"body":"understand I felt Why? Why do"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3088.47,"endTime":3094.71,"body":"you need it on the pizza? Tastes"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3088.47,"endTime":3094.71,"body":"are right. It is not great. By"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3094.71,"endTime":3097.14,"body":"the way, it's not something that"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3094.71,"endTime":3097.14,"body":"I would reach for. So look, you"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3097.14,"endTime":3099.09,"body":"know, I don't think there's"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3097.14,"endTime":3099.09,"body":"anything wrong with people who"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3099.09,"endTime":3101.55,"body":"prefer it. But I don't know if"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3099.09,"endTime":3101.55,"body":"it's necessary."},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3103.43,"endTime":3106.52,"body":"Well that is a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3103.43,"endTime":3106.52,"body":"firm answer, and I respect that."},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3106.79,"endTime":3108.74,"body":"And you're speaking from a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3106.79,"endTime":3108.74,"body":"position of authority. So we'll"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3108.74,"endTime":3112.73,"body":"have your word on pizza? And"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3108.74,"endTime":3112.73,"body":"finally, where can people find"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3112.73,"endTime":3113.69,"body":"out more about you?"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3114.26,"endTime":3117.62,"body":"There's this"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3114.26,"endTime":3117.62,"body":"amazing Protocol article that"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3117.62,"endTime":3119.9,"body":"just talked about my career."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3117.62,"endTime":3119.9,"body":"They interviewed some of my"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3119.9,"endTime":3124.07,"body":"friends throughout my lifetime."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3119.9,"endTime":3124.07,"body":"And it's on Protocol, it's a"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3124.1,"endTime":3126.92,"body":"tech news outlet and it just"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3124.1,"endTime":3126.92,"body":"cronicals, my kind of journey"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3126.92,"endTime":3130.01,"body":"into tech from McDonald's to"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3126.92,"endTime":3130.01,"body":"where I am now. That's a good"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3130.01,"endTime":3132.8,"body":"place to kind of learn more"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3130.01,"endTime":3132.8,"body":"about Kelsey the person and I'm"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3132.8,"endTime":3135.47,"body":"always on Twitter, sharing a"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3132.8,"endTime":3135.47,"body":"variety of ideas"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3135.53,"endTime":3140.21,"body":"@KelseyHightower, my DMs are"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3135.53,"endTime":3140.21,"body":"open. And I tend to engage with"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3140.21,"endTime":3142.46,"body":"people when they do reach out."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3140.21,"endTime":3142.46,"body":"So that's me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3143.03,"endTime":3146.09,"body":"Amazing. We both"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3143.03,"endTime":3146.09,"body":"read that protocol articles on"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3146.09,"endTime":3149.78,"body":"it is great. I can confirm."},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3146.09,"endTime":3149.78,"body":"Amazing Kelsey, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3149.78,"endTime":3151.46,"body":"much for taking the time to talk"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3149.78,"endTime":3151.46,"body":"to us today. It's been an"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3151.46,"endTime":3154.1,"body":"absolute pleasure and loved"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3151.46,"endTime":3154.1,"body":"hearing your story. It's been a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3154.1,"endTime":3155.54,"body":"lot of fun. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3155.72,"endTime":3156.47,"body":"Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Kelsey Hightower","startTime":3155.72,"endTime":3156.47,"body":"having me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3158.27,"endTime":3160.28,"body":"We'll be sharing"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3158.27,"endTime":3160.28,"body":"all the links and show notes"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3160.31,"endTime":3164.6,"body":"plus the all important doodle"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3160.31,"endTime":3164.6,"body":"over on humansplus.tech. I'm"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3164.6,"endTime":3167.42,"body":"Aaron Randall. This is Amy"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3164.6,"endTime":3167.42,"body":"Phillips and you've been"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3167.42,"endTime":3169.46,"body":"listening to the Humans+Tech"},{"speaker":"Aaron Randall","startTime":3167.42,"endTime":3169.46,"body":"podcast."}]}