REAL TALK - Come Follow Me

Genesis 18-23 | February 14-20 - Episode 8

February 13, 2022 Season 3 Episode 8
REAL TALK - Come Follow Me
Genesis 18-23 | February 14-20 - Episode 8
Show Notes Transcript

Infertility
Reframing Sodom and Gomorrah
PTSD

Lesson 8
“Is Any Thing Too Hard for the Lord?”
#OldTestament2022 #comefollowme #comefollowme2022 #realtalkcomefollowme

Why were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Why did God ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

These are both heavy questions that our hosts dive into in this week’s episode. John offers a paradigm shift for why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and Ganel-Lyn suggests that the Lord was helping Abraham heal from trauma.

Invitation: Are you being kind and loving, and are you sharing your abundance to those in need?

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Real Talk is presented by Ganel-Lyn Condie and John Fossum.


John Fossum:

Hello, welcome back to Real Talk Come, Follow Me. It's wonderful to have you with us on this Valentine's Day week.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I know Happy Valentine's Day.

John Fossum:

Well, if you were looking for an activity for Valentine's Day with your special someone, we have a surprise for you today. We'll be covering Genesis 18 through 23 with some amazing stories fit for a Valentine's celebration. Stories like was a continuation first of all of the Sarah Hagar, Abraham's soap opera. So kind of a love theme

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I think it's a stretch.

John Fossum:

We'll keep going. Listen to this. We've got Sodom and Gomorrah. In this particular set of chapters, you've got, you know, some traumatic things that happened to lat and his daughters also we have the angelic announcement of Isaac's imminent birth to Sarah. And then we have God telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. So Happy Valentine's Day.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

John. If you're listening on our podcast, you can't see our sarcasm, It's not a lot of-it's intense stories.

John Fossum:

This is just an opportunity. Can I just say before we jump in, if you feel like you have a dysfunctional family, and you wonder how God could ever accomplish great things through you look no further than these stories that we're reading in the Old Testament. Because the Old Testament emphasizes over and over again, that God is able to work within our brokenness and dysfunction is not good news. Yes, it's good news. For me, it's good for someone who's very broken and very dysfunctional.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Well, and the title that the church gave for this week for these chapters of study, Is anything too hard for the Lord, which is in a direct response to the angelic announcement of Isaac's future birth? Right. We talk about it in the real talk journal, on page 23. Is anything too hard? If anyone in our audience that has experienced infertility, I feel like there's never been a year more than this year to validate that experience. And I think specifically within the church culture, where children seem to be coming out of all corners of all places, right? For our family, it was seven years to have our son and six years to have our daughter. And I remember very well, that there's this moment where you're thinking this is too hard. And it's a righteous desire. And I think as we pick up right in Genesis 18, verses 13 to 14, we see that Sarah laughs. She's like, shall I bear a child, which I'm old, Is anything too hard for the Lord? And at that time, it was appointed. I just feel like as Sarah is sitting there thinking, am I ever going to have this opportunity, the blessing past me? Am I too far past that point? That is real talk. That's for all of us, whether it's not infertility for you, maybe it's something else, maybe it's marriage, maybe it's job issues, maybe it's chronic illness. Maybe it's addiction recovery, right? This is a week where we can really dive into the power of God and we've talked about it this month already. But can I share Spencer J. Conde quote from my cousin Spencer?

John Fossum:

Of course, he's family.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

He says, 'And the Lord change Abrams named Abraham and Seraiah to Sarah. And when he was nearly 100, and she was 90, they were promised that Sarah would bear a son to be named Isaac.' I love that God uses names to create that connection. Right. And really, in our terms today, we would say that's too hard juxtapose that to marry, who wasn't waiting and waiting to be a mom, and was an old? Yeah. And I think that's an Well, I'm thinking for you. It was worth late 20s? important distinction to make that for some of us. Maybe having children was easy, but maybe children came sooner than you want it right. Yes. 27.

John Fossum:

For Seraiah, she was 90. But these are all just, of course, little microcosms that sort of capture this principle that all promise blessings come to those that continue to strive to keep their covenants now or later. And, you know, I know that 90 years seems a long time. I know that when we say well, in the next life, that may be a little consolation to some people, but it is nonetheless true. Right. His blessings are always available.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And when that miracle manifested, I mean, I jokingly say that in the church, seven years of waiting to have babies is like 2722 years in the rest of the world, it's like dog years. Right? So I mean, I think your perspective that you just brought up is important to understand that yes, in the scheme of things, but I think God is super aware to that for sweet Mary, who's a young, that was overwhelming. And for Sarah, who had been waiting and waiting and waiting when they handed me that 10 pound baby, you know, it was like that seven years of pain washed away. But I can hear our audience some that are saying, I'm still waiting. It's way past seven for me. And I don't know how that miracle is going to manifest. But this is the week to say, keep it happens. Keep your eyes on God, because there's nothing too hard for him. I love it. Now we're gonna jump. We're gonna change gears. I'm so excited for this part of the Well Tempered conversation. No, I am.

John Fossum:

But what we're going to try to do here and we invite our audience to really kind of tap into the spirit as we go through this in consider, because we're going to try to offer a reframe of the Sodom and Gomorrah and that paradigm shift. Yeah, a little paradigm shift

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And I believe it, it will have lasting effect for our viewers

John Fossum:

So it is common to talk about Sodom and Gomorrah, as though it is the historical precedent that gives us license to maybe treat our LGBTQ brothers and sisters a little less cordially. We've used this story of Sodom and Gomorrah as a club in many ways to really inflict some hurt and pain on very sensitive demographics. Here's here's the point with this, the beginning of the reframe, to say that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed exclusively and primarily because of homosexual behavior is, at best, an oversimplification. And a misrepresentation of the actual text itself. I mean, the men, it's the man of the city, right? Let's give a little context. So lot who lives in Sodom and Gomorrah, invites these three heavenly messengers to hang out with him. And as at his house in Sodom and Gomorrah, members of the community, see these men coming into his house and they try to break down the door, and they say, let them out. Give them to us, so that we can in essence sexually abused them. Okay. And Lot's like no. And they say, well give us your daughter's in the Joseph Smith translation is very important here where it says Lot says, No, you can't have them either. So what we're dealing with here in Sodom and Gomorrah, let's I want to throw out some terms and phrases that we're familiar with, and we all agree, are egregious and terrible. We're talking about sexual misconduct, we're talking about sexual harassment. We're talking about sexual assault. We're talking about sexual abuse and rape and sexual sin, which Christians would define as sexual activity outside of the marriage. Correct. Right.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And not central to one demographic?

John Fossum:

No, not at all. And so I think that all Christians and non Christians alike would in general, just agree that these are all categories of things, we need to put up protections against right? And keep at bay in any community. And so here in Sodom, Gomorrah, we see similar to what happened with Noah and the ark, another divine reset, when we realize that it's an unrestrained abusive sexuality. In part we're going to we're going to see that it goes way beyond that, that was occurring in Sodom and Gomorrah, you start to understand more why God may have seen that it is best for this particular community to have a divine reset, and again, change the location of their classroom experience to the spirit world.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

From Elder Maxwell. He intervenes when our agency is no longer working, because the sin is so abundant

John Fossum:

So two things, I thought, this is interesting. There are some Bible scholars. This was fairly new to me this particular perspective, who point to Matthew 10, and Jesus's use of sodomy.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Wait, say that one more time. Because I think our listeners will be like, wait, did he just say Matthew 10, and we're talking about Sodom and Gomorrah

John Fossum:

Right. But we are talking about Jesus in the Old Testament, Jehovah of the Old Testament, well, when Jehovah was alive on earth, this is how he referenced Sodom and Gomorrah, he's talking to his apostles, and he says, Whosoever will not receive you. He says, depart out of there, you know the rest, shake off the dust of your feet. And he says this in verse 15, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city. So some Bible scholars point to this as Jesus making the point that the main sin of Sodom and Gomorrah fora was how inhospitable and cruel they were to people that visited their city and to each other. That was the main sin

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

and maybe how they received church leadership

John Fossum:

Absolutely. They like to juxtapose this or set side by side with Abraham and his receiving of the messengers in his tent in previous chapters in his cordial and respectful treatment of them, and lots cordial and respectful treatment reception of them into their, into his house, right? Yeah. I particularly like the prophet Ezekiel. Listen to what he says. Okay, so So think about this. This is how they use Sodom and Gomorrah anciently in terms of a historical precedent, that we're the Ramadan Yeah, that we're going to use to teach a principle okay. He says, Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, meaning sort of abundance and excess abundance and idleness was in her in her daughter's. Neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and the needy.