REAL TALK - Come Follow Me

Genesis 24-27 | February 21-27 - Episode 9

February 20, 2022 Season 3 Episode 9
REAL TALK - Come Follow Me
Genesis 24-27 | February 21-27 - Episode 9
Show Notes Transcript

Find a Wife
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Lesson 9
The Covenant Is Renewed
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What does it mean to you to make a covenant with God? How do you listen to His voice above all the other voices in the world?

Today’s discussion is a covenant-focused one in which Ganel-Lyn and John talk about the Abrahamic covenant, your internal journey with your own covenant path, and preserving the covenant line. They also take time to unpack Rebecca’s role in these chapters and how her service-oriented actions led her to her own covenant path.

Invitation: How has God-centered covenant living enhanced the quality of your life?

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Real Talk is presented by Ganel-Lyn Condie and John Fossum.


Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Hello and welcome to Real Talk Come, Follow Me. Hi, John.

John Fossum:

Hi, Ganel-lyn. How are you doing?

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Fantastic. It's been a good month. Right. A lot of covenant talk. And we're going to end with more...

John Fossum:

Covenant talk.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yes, we are. This week we're discussing Genesis 24 through 27, which is feeling even more doable. We're no longer in Moses, Abraham, Genesis. And I feel like this week we get a chance to really look at some brilliant women in the Old Testament. Yeah, I'm excited about that. And the Abrahamic covenant, this is in the compile me manual. And it says, It's so beautifully. The Abrahamic covenant, as you taught, what was the three P's a few weeks ago, includes promises to all the families of the earth, for being blessed. And we're going to revisit some of the discussion around Islam, and the end the entire global fire family. But the combined mean manual says that this that's not a promise that could be fulfilled in one generation. In many ways. The Bible is the story of God's ongoing fulfillment of His promises.

John Fossum:

I love that that principle that sort of the ongoing. Because we all want it now. That's just the world we live in.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Because let's be full disclosure, you can order from UberEATS. So don't we live in a world where like, wait, you said in my patriarchal blessing, like it's time God, right, but this week, we're really going to show kind of the long view and God's timing is some planet near Co Op.

John Fossum:

right. It's not mobile food orders and Disneyland right, my favorite thing ever. A big part of my experience there. Well, focusing on covenants this week, I thought maybe we could start with a quick just quote by Elder Holland, about covenants. I love it. Because it reinforces this principle, that making and keeping covenants with God really does maximize life's happiness and potential. He says this, when we talk about covenant keeping, we are talking about the heart and soul of our purpose and mortality. A covenant is a binding spiritual contract, a solemn promise to God, our Father, that we will live and think and act in a certain way, the way of his Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. In return, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost promised us the full splendor of eternal life. And so I love that when we talk about covenants in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it's usually a very formal usage of the word because covenants are connected primarily to ordinances, right, which are very formal affairs really. But I'd like to kind of broaden it even more to the rest of our family on Earth. And say that any moment that someone commits to God commits to light commits to truth, with all their heart, in a general sense, their covenant thing with their Creator with their higher power. Now, I would definitely draw a distinction between the formal covenant making that we do in our church, and sort of the more general covenant keeping I just referred to, but I think it's important to recognize the validity of that latter category, which is sort of that that general sense that anyone can covenant with God, to live according to the dictates of their conscience.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And in the formal ones are in a line of priesthood authority, right. And there's a formality to it, and a consistency to it. That creates a different kind of power. But I love the idea of making it more relationship based. Yeah. I also think, as we talked a few weeks ago, for me, covenants are my why. And they're not easy. I mean, I shared the experience with the Portland temple for 13th anniversary. And I know that all of us have people we dearly love, and I hope I the disclaimer sounds the way I intend it, that have chosen to step away from covenants, right? And because it's, it's not easy to keep them, you know, my I recall a time where we had my phone, on speaker for my son to talk to my daughter, my son is endowed, my daughter is 18 years old and not endowed. And he made this beautiful point, and this is Spirit coming. It's, you know, just this reminder that he said, Brooklyn, you're going to keep you're going to make and keep covenants for the day where you don't want to make them or keep them like Right. And so in making them you have the power to keep them is what he was trying to teach her. And he said at the time when he made them, it felt like okay, what what is this formality that we're doing in the temple? And he says, As time went on, I realized it was in making those covenants that I access the power of God to keep them and that that power is unique, but I will say that those that may Step away. It looks like they're paying, no more tithing, right? So they've got more money and their wardrobes changed because maybe they're not wearing temple garments. And maybe they're living their life in this way that looks like the great and spacious building is Disneyland. And I think there's just hope for clearly identifying that, you know, sometimes in, in covenant keeping, it's not that the covenant is causing that rift, it is that we're each choosing our own covenant path, right, and experimenting upon

John Fossum:

Some, there's another quick qualifier. I want the Word. to make sure we're not misunderstood as being as saying that people who step away from the church are choosing consciously to step away from covenants. That's rarely their intent, right? They're usually stepping away from what you just sort of alluded to some sort of pain, some sort of trauma, right, that happened far outside of this context of sacred covenant making moments. And for me, that is one of the great tragedies, right is that something like that would come between right individual and their ability to or even desire to keep those covenants because our experience in the church is almost inseparable, right terms of culturally, right, almost inseparable from the covenants we make our formal scenarios.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I think B. Brown has said it publicly, like her relationship with God is good, but her relationship with the her church needs therapy, right. And so if covenants are relationship based church, like you just said, is very interwoven with our covenant keeping and making, right. It's complicated. And so it's not a hard. It's complicated. It's complicated. And so recognize, I think it's an internal journey for your own covenant path that we want to talk about this week. I love it. Okay. Abrahamic covenant is, I think, most evident in this line of Isaac to a love story, right? So we've gone through Abraham, who, and then a servant, and Rebecca and her family, and Isaac, and we're going to get to talk about, for me, I think one of the great opportunities to highlight young women. Yeah. And Becca is a great example. She is a great example, Genesis 2458. And they called Rebecca and said unto her, wilt thou go with this man, so the servant goes off, and He is charged with the opportunity to go find a wife for Isaac, and I think we talked about it in the royal talk journal on page 27, that this servant went out in search, but he really prayed for direction to meet her. And I think we see her qualifications and qualities are, are something that we could extrapolate this week, and maybe highlight within our own homes and families. He insisted on waiting at home. And through that engagement, Isaac was waiting and thinking like, I don't know, how do you trust your servant? Like, can you go find my companion? Right?

John Fossum:

That's quite a lot of trust.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Sister, Dalton says, Does does this response from the young woman who said I will go and I will serve right does this response sound familiar to the response of 1000's who resolutely responded, I will go and do when the Prophet President Monson announced the opportunity for young men and young women to serve missions at a younger age, right? So here we have Rebecca, right. She is living with her family, and she has this encounter with this servant. And she's like, Okay, I'll go, No, pause. It's it's amazing and brave.

John Fossum:

Yeah. So brave.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

What do you want to say?

John Fossum:

Well, I just think of again, just with covenants at the center of all this, Rebecca was just committed and excited even to continue the covenant line, right. And that's very important in the Old Testament story, is preserving the covenant line. And we're gonna see when Rebecca has children, just how important that was to preserve the covenant line. And maybe just a maybe just a quick invitation to everyone, all of our listeners, all of our audience. Whether you see yourself as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and when we talk about covenants, you think of the formal covenants we've entered into through baptism, and the temple and things of that nature, or whether you're someone who is viewing sort of covenant making more generally in terms of committing myself to God, to light to goodness, to kindness, I would just invite you to evaluate, though your commitment to the covenants you've made with your higher power. I loved a few weeks ago, I forget how many weeks ago, but when we talked about the five covenants in temples that we make, oh, yeah, in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And we also sort of just set it side by side with the five pillars of Islam. One in four people in this world are Muslim. That's that's a lot of people. Right. And so I'd love to have you join real talk. Yes, yes, formal invitation. And just imagine again, if everyone on planet earth were to live according to the covenants we've made and commitments we've made to whether they be formal or generally, my word imagine how things would be different.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Well my friends that are Catholic teach me so much about faith, my friends that are Muslim teach so much about faith, specifically prayer, I think, okay, how am I doing in my prayer? How committed so what a great opportunity.

John Fossum:

I think it's beautiful.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Do you want to share anything else? Or can we talk a little bit more about Rebecca?

John Fossum:

Let's jump right in.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

How did the servant know that she was the right way? Right? We know that she replies that she will in the affirmative go. But in Genesis 24:11, he made his camels to kneel down just outside the city, buy a well of water. And I think that's interesting to consider how wells have been kind of the center of some important stories in the scriptures, right. And the time was at the evening, when women used to go and draw water. And verse 12, said, and he said, Oh, Lord, God of my master Abraham, I pray they send me Goodspeed this day and show kindness unto my master Abraham. And I think so often we are when we're talking about what we're looking in, for in a spouse or in individuals. I love that right here we see some of her characteristics right her courage. She's spirit directed. She's kind.

John Fossum:

So service oriented

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

So service oriented as Michael Wilcox wrote a great book that I've had for years, called the daughters of God spiritual portraits. He said she was worthy of the lineage that included Jesus and an offering of water leading to the living water and encounter with Jesus at the well and so I just wonder whether you're single or married whether you're considering getting married or dating for us married individuals what are some of the Rebecca characteristics are you seeing right she she had this courage to say I'm going to go she had the faith to recognize this servants invitation. And and she was kind she was offering this water and and that was the signal to the servant.

John Fossum:

This stands out just to me personally most about what set her apart was just her selflessness. And I think we can all male and female, right? Just learn a lesson for kindness.mAnd how it was a big deal to get these camels water. It was no small task. It she was just she was quick about it. She was trying to make this guy's day a lot better. Oh, what kind of person does that just spontaneously?

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And how often do we find out how that simple kindness changes the trajectory of her life? Literally. She goes on to become a mama.

John Fossum:

She goes on to become a mommand introduce another great soap opera about dysfunctional families.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

You have twins!

John Fossum:

Yes, I have twins.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And so, here she's pregnant with this internal struggle of these two people. She can feel this division in her belly. Right? So moms have multiples, right? This is your week.

John Fossum:

My wife can feel it right now? Yeah. TSD. The battle that went in her womb.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

What are your twin names?

John Fossum:

My twins names are Jacob. And Benjamin. So we didn't name our twins after-anyway, it doesn't matter. Those are family names he wanted to keep in the family. It's interesting to know that Jacob's name actually means so planter is often interpreted as someone who seizes or usurps or takes forcefully away from. So that's I mean that that's where we're starting here. Esau comes out of the womb first. And Jacob is literally grabbing his he'll like get back here, or I want to be out first or whatever, right? Because coming being first born, that's a big deal.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

This came with a lot of benefits.

John Fossum:

Yes. A lot of benefits that we call the birth right. And you could read about it in our study this week to learn more about what birthright blessings entail. But the story I just want to emphasize again, gives us a wonderful example of how God allows us to make mistakes and fumble around as we try to accomplish his purposes and choose the right and he just works with it. So again, if you feel like you're just too lost, too broken to dysfunctional for God to use for great things. You clearly have not been studying the Old Testament. Because that is one of the great messages of this book. It gives me so much comfort. Because I'm a messed up guy. I have so many levels of dysfunction as my wife. So if you're like me, I'm just I'm just not ever going to be perfect. And so these stories give me a lot of a lot of hope.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Permission that the imperfect is all he has to work with. So he's working with you.

John Fossum:

Elder Holland said that right-how frustrated

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Do you like how I summarized Elder Holland quickly there.

John Fossum:

Yeah. So here's the tension of the story. Genesis 25 28. Isaac loved Esau, because he did eat of His venison, Rebecca love Jacob. That just makes it sound probably overly simplified. I like Esau better not because he's first born and as a birthright, I think he makes good steaks, you know, or something like that.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I felt like this is an example we don't have the whole story clearly or the record, because we would have probably gotten a little more detail.

John Fossum:

So going on in Genesis 25. You know the story you've heard this before, but just as a summary, Jacob connivingly gets Esau test sell him his birthright by giving him a mess of pottage or some red lentil soup and some bread right? Here's my question are such are these kind of like, under the table agreements recognized as binding by God? Of course not. Okay. The important part here is Genesis 25 34. Esau despised his birthright, he didn't want to, he didn't want it. That's an important thing. He didn't want to keep the covenant line going with his with his wives that he ends up marrying with his children, he ends up having he didn't want to have to worry about the covenants associated connected to the blessings promised. Rebecca no doubt saw this. And for her remember, it's all about perpetuating these this covenant relationship with God and the blessings connected to it through family.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And she's the kind one that goes, gives water the camels and has great faith, but in this moment as a mama, she's seeing some stuff, right.

John Fossum:

And so what does she do? What does she do?

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

A little skin of hair? Right?

John Fossum:

She puts some goat hair on Esau. Well, you know, they know the story. We don't have to summarize everything but go here on Jacob sorry. So that he Isaac will think that Jacob is he says he saw his very hairy, he saw it's very, very hairy. Say that nine times. Very, very hairy. Yeah, no laser treatment, treatment. Anyway, some people will think that Rebecca's approach was wrong. And I would say you're right. I mean, in terms of like, it was her best attempt. But was it like honest, not really, he was conniving, you know, I mean, but guess what?

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Was it transgression? Or was it sin? I don't know. Shout back to Genesis, right. Yeah, the beginning of like, even making a choice that maybe she could see the wisdom.

John Fossum:

well, she said something had to happen. And she just did her best in the moment to make it happen.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yeah. And I think this mess of pottage, I think it's, for me, that awareness that all of us maybe have used this story. I've heard it in a lot of Sunday School discussions of like, why would you give up this great thing, and I think you're enlightened, lightened note to this conversation, as he said, I didn't want it and God honors agency, right. But what are the voices that we're prioritizing? I think so often, we can get offended. And there was definitely offense taken. We see some..

John Fossum:

Esau was hurt. Felt betrayed, rightly so.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And I think just as we're discussing the voices that we listen to in the world, I think so often, it's easy to get offended. Last year on Doctrine and Covenants, we had plentiful examples of where, whether it was the cream or name spelled wrong, that we all have voices in our head that were even able to feed that voice, so to speak. And so what voice are we listening to? I would just add that,

John Fossum:

and we know that Jacobs relationship was, was strained for a long time. And there's a beautiful moment in a future chapter where they reconcile, we'll get there on a different day. But it's, here's a here's another really important point about all this when Isaac realized the deceit that had taken place that Jacob had been placed in, instead of Esau, and there was deceit and everything like that. Listen, he had the keys, the authority to recant blessings to invoke a cursing if he wanted on Jacob and Rebecca for their conniving plan. But instead, it appears one of the details that were missing, that in the moment, he realized, Oh, this is why this is what God wants. Because if you look at Genesis 2737, Isaac answers Esau, who's just in tears again, I understand why. And he says, Son, I'm sorry, I've made Isaac thy Lord, and all his brother and how I given to him for servants. And with corn and wine, have I sustained him? What shall I do now to the my son? In other words, I know after thinking about this, I'm sorry, this is I'm not taking it back. This is what needs to happen. But what can I do for you?

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I want you to be supportive.

John Fossum:

right. And so it's just I think, it's just important to understand. In the moment, things got a little hairy. That was a pun. intended, yeah. Okay. But I love this teaching by Elder gone. He said this. The Lord remembers his promises. The Lord remembers and assures nations and peoples in these days of commotion and motion in perilous times, we remember that it is not the work of God that is frustrated but the work of men. This is a great example of that the work of men who was just chaotic

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

they were messing it up. But God wasn't panicked.

John Fossum:

we can always remember him by gratefully acknowledging his hand throughout our lives. The Lord's hand in our lives is often clearest. In hindsight, I love that I've totally experienced this myself. As Christian philosopher Soren Kierkegaard put it, life must be understood backwards, but it must be lived forward. And so I just look forward to the day when, after we die, and there's that great debriefing and we're looking back on life, the chaos that we thought was just pure dysfunction in the moment, I think will turn into something pretty beautiful and meaningful.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I think anything in the rear view right. It reminds me of a great talk from elder Spencer Conde about seeing the promises far off. Yeah, and, and forgive this quote, but I think he says it so beautifully. He says the important components of faith are patients long suffering, and enduring to the end, the apostle Paul recounts the faith of Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and Sarah, concluding that These all died in faith, not having received the promises. But having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them and embrace them and confess that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth, these faithful saints knew that this earth life was a journey, not their final just destination. And I think so often as we claim, blessings and promises that haven't yet been fulfilled. There are so many examples in the Old Testament, Old Testament, especially where you have to look in the rearview mirror you have to say, I don't see it yet, but it's coming, I think of Lehigh. How did he maintain hope when he knew with the vision of the tree, that these two boys of his Well, 500 years later, right, those promises are gonna be certain for his posterity? posterity? posterity.

John Fossum:

I love it. What a great way to kind of end and wrap things. Okay. I think you know, how, however much of a train wreck you feel like your life might be right now. It's our testimony through our own experiences that we've had in life that God has the power to bring meaning and healing and growth out of those things. And that if we don't see the meaning in it now, we will eventually if we just continue to cling to those covenants and move forward with faith. And so our invitation for you this week is to consider how God how a God centered covenant living approach to life can maximize your happiness and bring blessings into your life. Thank you for joining us this week. We hope you'll join us next time on Real Talk Come Follow Me. Do you like Real Talk Come, Follow Me?

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