REAL TALK - Come Follow Me

Exodus 1-6 | March 21-27 - Episode 13

March 20, 2022 Season 3 Episode 13
REAL TALK - Come Follow Me
Exodus 1-6 | March 21-27 - Episode 13
Show Notes Transcript

Harry Potter and Moses
Plot Twist
Slime and Pitch

Lesson 13
“I Have Remembered My Covenant”
#OldTestament2022 #comefollowme #comefollowme2022 #realtalkcomefollowme

What do you need to shed to come closer to God? What can you do to stay a little longer with God?

As Ganel-Lyn and John dive into the Book of Exodus and Israel’s departure from bondage, they cover a variety of topics from motherhood to miraculous awakenings to turning to God and staying a while. They also discuss Moses’s story and how, when he paired himself with God, he accomplished great things.

Invitation: What is one thing the Spirit is prompting you to leave behind so you can draw closer to God?

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Real Talk is presented by Ganel-Lyn Condie and John Fossum.


John Fossum:

On this week's episode of Real Talk Come, Follow Me, we're talking about the brave women in our lives.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

And we talk about the burning bush, about taking off our shoes and staying a while.

John Fossum:

Join us - these topics coming your way

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Hello and welcome to Real Talk Come, Follow Me. We are so excited that you have joined us for a new book of Scripture.

John Fossum:

we're officially entering Exodus

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

which means we're exiting.

John Fossum:

Funny how we're entering Exodus.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yes, because Exodus means exit. And spoiler alert, it is a big departure story, but it begins 400 years after the conclusion of Genesis. So look at what you've accomplished in one week. 400 years done. So we're gonna look for some themes here. One of them is deliverance. And we're excited.

John Fossum:

The children of Israel have been populating and there's so many now now they're slaves to the Egyptians are not friends anymore. And so at this point, they need deliverance. And I wanted to sing that because of the song deliver.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Are you gonna sink?

John Fossum:

Nope.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

We might get more views if we do that. The Old Testament seminary teacher manual which you probably have memorized? It says the book of Exodus provides an account of Israel's departure from bondage in Egypt, right and their preparation to inherit the Promised Land, I would just do a little edit there a promised land. There's lots of promised lands as the Lord's covenant people. Israel's departure from bondage and journey through the wilderness can symbolize our journey through a fallen world. And I would just say, we are all journeying back to the presence of God. And sometimes our wilderness experiences happen more than once in our lifetime. I think it's a beautiful opportunity to kind of learn the pattern of navigating a wilderness being in bondage. And what that brings up for us, right, the familiarity of that

John Fossum:

This is First Nephi 19, likening the scriptures to ourselves. That's where the power of the scriptures is unlocked. Right? If you just read it as a story of deliverance for this group of people, that's cool, great, man, you got to plug yourself into the narrative and become a part of it.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

So before we talk about that deliverance story, we want to start with Exodus one, specifically, because one of my big why's this year was to see some of the amazing women in the Old Testament and man...

John Fossum:

the heroes in this perticular story

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

This week, specifically, Pharaoh was super concerned about that growth of Israel that you just were talking about. So he ordered all of the male children to be executed. But and we share this in page, page 40 of The Real Talk journal if you have that. But God's plan could not be stopped. And because of the courage and faith of a few women, midwives, who refuse to follow the death orders of the pharaoh Israel continued to prosper. And we see this in verse 15, through 17 of Exodus one, and the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was luck, here we go. Shifra I'm going with that. And the name of the other was Pooja, please, please, if you speak Hebrew, yeah, I probably did that wrong. Right. Verse 16, says that they were of the office of a midwife so shout out to our nurses and our midwives. And the midwives feared God and did not as the king of Egypt fear him. And so here we go, in the story of where these women are key to not listening to being courageous. And to say risky, I don't even know, I hope there's a record in some book of how many people were saved because of these women.

John Fossum:

I'm sure there is a records of heaven for sure. What a great opportunity to kind of pay tribute to these wonderful women.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

and Exodus to we're going to do a little birth adoption story. I know there's a lot of viewers that join us that have been adopted, or have given a baby up for adoption, or maybe been in a situation where you're trying to go through this process. I like to see a tie here with Harry Potter. So for all the Harry Potter fans,

John Fossum:

okay, let's go, getting real here.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yes, one. One Hebrew woman is caught in this middle of this murderous plan of Pharaoh, right. And she is the mother of Moses. And I know that for the Harry Potter fans out there, there is great discussion about what saves Harry from this this horrible Voldemort right and it is the love of his mother. And I think what a great tie in for your littles this week that maybe you're like, Oh, are we doing Come follow me again? Hey, there's a little Harry Potter story going on here. Make that connection. Right. Right. And the love of a mother translates into verse three where she says she takes her baby right and she hides him. But she can't hide him any longer. And so she takes him an ark of bull rushes and I think back to when we discuss Noah and the ark and She dobbed it with slime and with pitch similar to the ark story

John Fossum:

also protects this child, covers this child before sending him out on the journey. The river so cool with the symbolism

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

another symbolism of Christ. And how he creates that protection. And can you imagine as a mother what it's like I mean, sending a missionary to Zimbabwe for two years, I was like, is there some slime and pitch around this boy, she puts him in the bull rush the child within, she laid it in the flags of the rivers brink. And I just think, wow, what faith and courage it takes, and the love of a mother to save us. My mother is a huge Real Talk fan. And so I absolutely know she's watching every week of no one else is watching again. And I would just say, I think as a mother, myself, you never quite are sure if you've done enough. Yeah. And I think, how did Moses his mom feel like she had done enough for her baby. And she did what she could. And I know my mom wrestles with feelings of like all moms that we don't do enough. And I just think what a beautiful example of moms out there, none of us are perfect, and we're doing what we can. And here, Moses's mom does what she cans, puts her baby in this basket and puts him out into the river

John Fossum:

mind if I expand to the love of parents? Similar, just a quick little experience that happened to me, I was on a mission in the Philippines. And there was a particular family we were teaching that I was just longing for. I just I don't know, you know, it's a certain people you cross paths with, and there's a kinship there. And I was just longing for them to sort of be unified with us in the church and to feel God's love to a higher degree than they already were. I mean, I just wanted everything to be better for this family and, and then they just dropped us out of nowhere, they, and there's really no explanation for it. But I remember praying. And I myself am a product of a miraculous sort of awakening. You know what I mean? When I was a teenager? And I remember saying to God, you did that for me. You just came down and snatch snatch me. Quite? Why can't you do with them? Please? Why did you do that? For me? And I received an unexpected prompting, but it was one I'll never forget. And it was so clearly stated in my mind and in my heart and just sort of washed over me. I came to you that day. And you are where you are because of your faithful parents and their faith to faithfulness to their covenants, right? That was it their faithfulness to their covenants. That's why I came. Now. I share that with care. And with sensitivity understanding that there are so many people out there right now listening, that are saying, well, I'm praying for my son, I'm or my daughter or my whoever it is. I'm faithful to my covenants. Why has that not happened yet to me? I am a unabashedly unashamed optimist in terms of the outcome of this plan, and I believe that loving parents, their love, and their influence is eternal. And so never underestimate just how powerful your influence of love is on your children. And know that in in time, it will always work out.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yeah, it's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. We have a little plot change here a little plot twist, because as you go into verse 11, through 22, after killing a guard, so Moses is taken into pharaohs, we know the story, right? Maybe Moses is Egypt, and he is the prince of Egypt. Right and, and it feels like he's on the fast track. He's gone from floating down a river to having a prime seat in the in the royal palace. And and then I'm sure in his wisdom, he kills this guard, right? Because he knows these are his people that are in bondage, and then has to flee into the wilderness. I wonder here if it was not just a course, change or correction, but setting him up instead of setting him back? I think so often. When we're in positions of power, it feels sometimes like, that's where we're going to do our greatest good is in those arenas where we have positions of power or maybe certain callings or maybe positions at work where we're like, Man, I can affect some change. I'm sure Moses felt like in that position, he was going to be able to really help his people. And instead, he's sent out into the wilderness he has to flee and and I when he's thinking he's ruined everything. Yeah. And he's, he's like, I guess I'm not doing what God maybe was setting him up preparing him putting on his heart for him. His purpose and role in the world. And here it's it's about to change. He's in a whole new arena and it's in the

John Fossum:

I lost my position of power influence. How can I? wilderness How can I make the change? Now God wants me to make

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

and I bet his buddy Joseph of Egypt is like, yeah, totally got you

John Fossum:

They're up in heaven.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

They're like, yeah, man, me to peak from pit to prison. And Nephi is like, you guys don't even know, I was building a ship and do not keep developing.

John Fossum:

I know, by the end of this season, obsession and heaven, how many people are-

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

and all the women over there like they don't even have our books of Scripture. Like we have some good stories

John Fossum:

Well, I love this if-

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Let's do Exodus three, let's jump

John Fossum:

in Exodus three, how Moses during this transition time, right? Where he doesn't quite know how God wants him to accomplish whatever God wants him to accomplish, because he's just kind of A humble Shepherd in the wilderness. Now, you know, and he goes up to the mount. And this is the famous burning bush episode, and I just had a different insight this time for me a different reading. I'd love to. Okay, let's Yeah. It says in Exodus three, verse three, it says, So Moses goes up to the mountain. And he sees the burning bush, my friend who studies Hebrew, Hebrew says the same word here is used for tree. So Bush tree. Oh, so why lots of potential beautiful symbolism cool. Moses sees this burning bush. And he says, I will now turn aside and see this great site, why the bush is not burnt, a couple things stood out. The main thing that stood out to me was when he says I will now turn and I immediately thought of the Hebrew word for repent, which my friend tells me is pronounced Shubh. The Hebrew word shoots for repent, it just means turn around. And so Moses says, I'm going to turn so he turns to the burning bush representation of the Savior. In verse five, God says, from the burning bush, he says, Draw nigh, he says, Draw not nigh here, there. So he tells him how far to come. That's translate, he says, Come a little closer. Okay, that's far enough. Now, put off the shoes for my feet. For the place where on the stand is his holy ground. For some reason, that phrase this time just stood out to me. He said, Come on, in, come on, in, first of all, he directs them to how far he has him. And then he says, I tell you what, take off your shoes. Now most people are gonna see this as I'm going to show you, you're on holy ground, you better respect me take off shoes. That's fine. That's great. But for me, it was different. This time, I saw different I saw an invitation. I saw an invitation to get comfortable. An invitation to stay awhile. God says come on in. And don't be in a hurry. Don't be in a rush. Take your shoes off. Think about when you go to someone's house, right? You take off your shoes, that's a sign sure to sign up. I don't want to get your house dirty. But it's also a sign of mistake.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

I'm thinking in the temple as well. Like, oh, I Oh, yeah. I always feel like I just kind of go to this restful state. And I'm wearing kind of my slippers literally. And it's just this restful. And the first time I sat and talked with you, we went out to your backyard. What do you call?

John Fossum:

Gazebo. This massive-built a fire pit. We call it the FOSS Mahal

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yeah. And we just sat and talked and stayed awhile and got to know each other before starting this season.

John Fossum:

Well, as I as I read through this and thought about turning to God, taking off my shoes, and staying a while I thought turned to God feel his fire and stay a while. I love the qualities of God being a fire without the consuming part. So he has all the sort of characteristics of a firewall it does from how as it makes me more comfort me to sitting there around a fire. Everyone's experience this right? The comfort of a fire the warmth of a fire. How a fire inspires me to meditate and contemplate, right? Here's God's saying, come on in and stay awhile. Take off your shoes. So taking off your shoes becomes a metaphor for what what do I need to shed? What do I need to leave behind in order to sort of come to God and and be with him for a little bit longer and a little bit more intimately in my life a little bit more regularly. Having a meditative experience. Take off your shoes, stay awhile with God. Don't be so rushed about it. I have a funny thing that's been occurring to me lately. I have this janky Bluetooth adapter that plugs in the power outlet in my car so that I can have Bluetooth on my phone. I radio I have the same janky because I have an old tightening grip when I when I get in the car in the morning I turn it on there's a little voice that says over Bluetooth, it says, 'waiting for pairing'. And when it's done, it'll go 'paired'. But that makes me think now. Everyday I get in my car-I'm like, okay, before I start my day it turns on 'waiting for pairing' I can hear almost like God's voice saying, 'waiting-are you ready?' And I'll sit there in silence and I'll just wait till I feel paired. And I'm like, I'm ready.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

That's beautiful. Today, I'm not gonna have my bluetooth pairing.

John Fossum:

I don't know what your Bluetooth thing says. But mine says waiting for pairing, 'paired'. And so anyway, I just love this idea of what can we do in our lives to sort of stay a little bit longer with God.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

So shall we jump to Exodus four, Exodus four, verse 10. And Moses said unto the Lord, oh, my Lord, I am not eloquent. So we're going to talk about how inadequate Moses is feeling right? Because now he's in a situation where, what? Right, he's going to be asked to do some things. He's not just hanging out big things, right, which he's had an experience now with the burning bush, which is endowing him with power. Right? It is revealing his mission, which is a pattern, right? You go up the mountain, you receive this inspiration, this setting apart. And he's like, I'm not eloquent, neither here for here to for, nor since thou has spoken unto thy servant, but I am slow of speech, and I have a slow tongue. And the LORD said unto him, who have made man's mouth I love it, or who make it the dumb or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind, have not either, Lord. Now therefore go and I will be with thy mouth and teach the wet, thou shalt say, and I want to just share back in February or in January, when we talked to Unreal talk, that God either consecrates or compensates, and oftentimes he, he compensates by allowing us to have support. And we see in verse 14, of Exodus four, that he said, is not Aaron the Levite, thy brother, I know that he can speak well. And also Behold, he cometh forth to meet the so he's provided, not the words through this helper. And I think so often just, you know, I served as really Society president at one point, and was also doing chemotherapy for that year. And I needed additional support at the time felt inspired to ask for an additional secretary, we had two secretaries. Famously President Hinckley started out serving in a first presidency as an additional secretary. And I just I remember feeling how humble it was to sit as really study president and watch like, the sign up sheets to bring food to my family. And I'm sitting in Relief Society and I know that sign up sheet clipboard is going around is for my family. And so sometimes, I think when we're called the callings that stretch us like Moses was feeling, look for who God is providing, where are the errands in your life, that can speak for you or support you or sustain you. Okay? Do we have anything else we want to say about that? Want to jump to Exodus six? Okay, I feel like I'm talking a lot

John Fossum:

I'll talk more

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Exodus six. Who is Jehovah? this is a key opportunity this week for you to see Christ in the Old Testament, right in verse three says, I appeared unto Abraham and Isaac and under Jacob by the name of God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah was I not known to them. So as you go into verse six, jump down to verse six, one part that I think is really Christ specific, is where it talks about I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will read you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm and with great judgments. And I just think, what a great reference to the cross the stretching out of the arm. And how Christ is is really saying, I'm the Jehovah. I'm the God of the Old Testament, and I'm going to redeem you and I'm pulling you out of bondage. He's offering that to us.

John Fossum:

Yeah, that symbolism of that stretched out arm is so beautiful. Isaiah, I know uses that phrase, at least five times. My, my, you know, my arms. I'm my eyes. I don't approve. What did you say? All this anger? I'm not turned away. So I don't approve of what you're doing. But my hands are stretched out still.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

So don't get stuck.

John Fossum:

So I mean, you may be struggling but I am always here for you

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Yeah. Elder Maxwell talks about that, that, you know, he will carry us he says we can confidently cast our cares upon the Lord because through the agonizing events of guest 70 and Calvary atoning Jesus is already familiar with our sins, sicknesses and sorrows. He can carry them not. He can carry them now because he has successfully carried them before. And I think as someone that does Were across, it's a reminder that my sins, my sorrows and my sicknesses. He knows what they are. He's experienced them for me.

John Fossum:

And he knows what we each need. He knows what we each need. Can I wrap it up? Yeah, we'll wrap it up maybe with a little story. Okay. All right, yeah, please the story, maybe go a minute or two over. But I just love how Jesus Christ has the ability to lighten our load to heal us to compensate for us to consecrate all this stuff to make it possible for us to get through hard times. And I want to tie that in with coming up to God, as Moses did, and taking off our shoes as a metaphor. Because the invitation this week, and maybe I'll come back to this after I share a quick little story. But here's the invitation that prompts a story. What's one thing that the spirit is prompting you to leave behind in your life or to shed in your life to draw a little closer to God and spend a little more time with him? So I'm always I feel like I'm always, first of all, I've shared too many stories today. But I'm going to make this No, no, I hear our audience say more when I was, again, during this transitional time. And I'm trying to include more of these stories. You understand my history as an audience here. But I remember I had made some changes in my life. It was right near the end of my high school experience. And I made some changes and I was getting momentum, right. I felt like the Spirit just in my life. And I said to God, one day, never say this to God, unless you're ready to move. And I was like, Man, this is so good. What else should I do Heavenly Father, and it was immediate. I knew that he I had this box. It was in my closet. I call it my identity box. And the identity box. This is so embarrassing, but whatever. I was a teenager with an underdeveloped brain. I kept all pictures of all like my old flames and dance pictures that you know from school and you know, and newspaper clippings if I was ever mentioned in a for a sporting event, or whatever, notes that girls wrote me, it's so embarrassing, but

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

Why do you not know my box in the basement still.

John Fossum:

This is how I used it. Whenever I felt like I was a loser. I go to my identity box. Look at it be like No, I'm not a loser. I'm pretty awesome. Anyway, I'm sitting in my bedroom, and I get this prompting. And the prompting is burned in the box. Okay, now listen, people are gonna think I'm crazy. And this is intense. Look, this was my experience. I'm not saying we should all go out and do something this extreme. But I felt like this was it. I was taking off your shirt. This was taking off my shoes. And I didn't know that at the time. But I knew I had to. So I picked up my box. It's late at night. It's dark outside. I'm in Georgia, we live in the middle of the woods in the middle of nowhere. I walk out of the house into the woods, and I couldn't see the highlight of the house anymore. I pile up some pine needles and little branches and start a fire and I hold my box. And I'm like, Are you sure you really want me to do this like for real? And I felt like this. Yeah, I'd do it like a piece just like do it. So I started throwing stuff in there. And I got to the point where I just couldn't do one at a time anymore. So I just dumped the whole box on there. And as it went up in flames. And I remember it, it kind of hurt right here, my chest because it really felt like a part of me was gone. Does that make sense? In a hurt. But as I looked up through the pine trees into the stars and saw the smoke in the ashes in the embers rising, I had this profound feeling of someone sitting next to me on this log. And I just felt the presence of God with me. And I felt like he was proud of me. I felt like he was there the whole time I stood up and walked to the edge of the woods Where the woods turned into grass or front yard. And I stopped. And I felt this impression just wash over me. It's just young me now. And I can honestly say that since that day. I have not felt alone doesn't mean it's all been easy. But I haven't felt alone. And so it's just my testimony that God will always be there for us. He wants to come closer to us if we'll just give them a chance. And so back to our invitation.

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

before you say anything else, I just think I'm so grateful for your vulnerability and your testimony. And to me, it's an example of what Moses was asked to do leave this power and glory and shed that for a greater change and course correction and you were willing to do that. So the Lord was able to partner with you because you were like, I'm not going to rely on what the world says of me. I'm going to rely on what the Lord thinks. Thank you.

John Fossum:

Well, thank you so much for joining us this week. We hope that you'll look for an opportunity to take off your shoes so to speak and spend a little more time with the Lord. See you next week. Do you like Real Talk Come, Follow Me?

Ganel-Lyn Condie:

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