There's a lot of discussion about webconferencing security, so we do some more! We agree on and name the must-see movie about spies, the difference between stealth and force in locks and lockpicking, attackers playing the long game, and Bill mentions the Mythical Man Month (which is not a statutory holiday).
The podcast Greg mentioned was "I Spy" by Foreign Policy.
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