Are You A Banana? (Mike & Leo explore different categories Asian American men fall under, Awkwafina code-switching, what is Asian American culture & more) | BARBERSHOP TALK

In this Barbershop Talk episode, Mike and Leo explore the different categories Asian men fall under, how our environment shapes who we are, and what is considered Asian American culture.

1:20 - What do you think of when you think of "Banana" within the Asian community 
2:20 - Describing the different categories Asian American men fall under
3:50 - Mike asks Leo how he would describe himself from the categories that were listed
5:00 - Leo describes growing up mainly in black culture 
7:15 - Mike talks about how he would categorize himself
8:00 - Why aren't there any white guys who are Asian inside or blacks who are yellow inside?
10:00 - Mainstream media, for the most part, was dominated by White American culture, now it's Black 
12:00 - what does mainstream media look like if Asian American culture?
15:00 - We're a product of our environment
17:00 - the case for Awkwafina's Queen's accent 
19:00 - Describing an 'Asian' Asian
24:00 - The popularity of 88rising artists

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Transcript

Mike Tran: 0:00

All right. You ready to go? how about today? you, you do the intro. You wanna do the intro today?

Leo Chan: 0:04

Yeah, sure.

Mike Tran: 0:06

Let's just change it up a little bit. So do it however you like you start when you want

Leo Chan: 0:11

Hey, what's up guys. Welcome back to the Asian menswear podcast. I am your cohost Leo. And we're back again this time. Of course, with Mike what's up.

Mike Tran: 0:21

what's up. Nice. Change it up a little bit. How Leo? I think it's, I mean, sound like, well, how I do it, it's the same intro.

Leo Chan: 0:28

Yeah, there you go. It's uh, acting

Mike Tran: 0:31

Awesome. Awesome. So, yeah. Welcome back guys. we're back with, uh, barbershop talk today. About a topic I was inspired to, explore, um, by the guys over at the, the worst Asian podcast been in Lindsay, I think. Um, so shout out to those guys. Um, they had an episode where, they were talking about a, um, a banana,

Leo Chan: 0:54

Mm

Mike Tran: 0:54

so. I wanna ask Leo, or I guess you guys too, when you guys think about a banana in terms of like, you know, relative to like an Asian in the Asian community, what do you guys think about Leo? What do you think about when you think about a banana?

Leo Chan: 1:12

think you should have been like, this is a non-sexual thought when you think of a banana, but

Mike Tran: 1:17

Hey, that's up to them. That's up to you guys.

Leo Chan: 1:19

but in terms of the Asian community, I think you, like, you kind of built it up kind of slow. People were like, what's going on in this episode. Um, yeah. Even when you first text me about this topic, I was like, what the hell is he talking about banana? But anyway, um, yeah,

Mike Tran: 1:35

What do you think

Leo Chan: 1:35

yeah, yellow on the outside, white on the inside,

Mike Tran: 1:40

on the inside, Exactly, Exactly, So, so what that means in the Asian community is, you know, we're obviously labeled as yellow, which I, you know, I correct him and say, we call it, we call ourselves gold. But anyway, so yeah, a banana. Basically is an Asian guy that acts white. Right. And it got me thinking. So when I saw the title from the worst Asian podcast with Ben and Lindsay, they were exploring this topic. I was thinking about it. You know, it doesn't just stop at a banana. Right. Because I started to think about it cuz a lot of times Asians were categorized in a few different things, mainly three categories, right. It's the banana. There is the one where yellow on the outside and then black on the inside. so I don't, I don't know what, uh, what represents that, uh, uh, what, like, uh,

Leo Chan: 2:35

Do they have a thing for

Mike Tran: 2:37

a yellow, a yellow cake would, would fudge infused? I don't know. Um, and then the other one is like, is like Asian, Asian.

Leo Chan: 2:44

Okay.

Mike Tran: 2:45

And then I think there's a, I, I feel like there's a fourth one, like we're so basically Asian guys we're categorizing like these three different categories that kind of like can fit the bill. But I think the fourth one is like a mix of all, but anyway, that's kind of what I wanted to explore and, and I wanted. Yeah, I guess just American, like you can't really identify cuz they're cuz when you see a banana Asian guy, you can tell right away and then you look into like, um, the, we call it yellow cake with fudge infused Asian guy. You can kind of tell right away. Right. Um, I think a good example would be like when I think about the yellow cake in, in fudge infused, you would think about like China Mac, the rapper, or like most Asian rappers, people would just identify them or categorize 'em as this. And then the Asian white guys. Like. You probably ran into in college or even in corporate America, there's, you know, there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not saying like yeah. You'll a lot of times you'll see in like, at least with social media in the comments like, oh, this guy's a banana. Or like, it's a bad thing. It's like, A good example would be, um, like black people, right? When a black guy acts white or they say they act white, which, you know, doesn't really make sense cuz you can't really act a certain way. Like he gets roasted on. Right. He's like, why is he like when a black guy talks proper, they call him a white guy or whatever it is, which is like crazy. But that's something I wanted to explore because I feel like like starting with us, how would you categorize yourself just from listening from the three to four. Categories, like, honestly, like, I guess maybe from the perspective of someone just meeting you, how would they describe you, you think?

Leo Chan: 4:12

Um,

Mike Tran: 4:14

would you describe yourself?

Leo Chan: 4:15

I think, I think they would think I'm a number four. Like they don't quite know where I'm coming from. I mean, I feel like it's so general, it's such a generalization just to be like, oh, if you don't talk this way, you're more white. But like, I don't think I'm like a banana in that way. Like, I, I didn't grow up in like, in like, Rich neighborhoods of America, like in those kind of white neighborhoods, like I didn't grow up that way. So like, I think they, they can tell that like, I'm from like a New York, I'm kind of tough, but like, I'm also kind of nice. Uh, but like, I, I just think like with my experiences, I usually sound very well rounded, uh, diverse, like experience per se. Just cuz like I can honestly talk about any topic across. Entertainment sports watches, fashion travel. Like I feel like most topic, I have a pretty good understanding and I can whole, a pretty quick conversation about, um, but in terms of like how I grew up, I was definitely like, I, I grew up in more of a black area first and also that's the culture that I really enjoyed, cuz like it was basketball and sneakers and music. Like I, I loved that, um, growing up in New York city, but I didn't, you know, ever. I mean, like, sure. Like I talked a certain way, but I don't think it was like, that's just how black people are. I, I don't believe that it's like, that's just the neighborhood. That's just how kids talked in my school. Um, not generalizing that that's how everyone talked, but like, yeah, like, I grew up with more black culture and then as I went to college, upstate New York in Buffalo, That was more white culture cuz that's just the people I was surrounded by. So to me it was more just like learning about different culture and learning and then really finding my own voice after that, you know, like I'm not just clinging onto one culture and sticking with it. I'm constantly learning from this and then also constantly blending into a new, um, surrounding and then learning from that. And then coming out of that, um, back in New York being diverse. So it's just like. I think coming out of that, like, I've definitely been through different stages or different, uh, different conservations we're talking about here, um, to be my own self, if that makes sense.

Mike Tran: 6:32

I agree. I mean, if you were to ask me like how I would define you, I wouldn't define you as, the yellow cake or the banana, or like the Asian, Asian, which I'll describe in a little bit. Um, I would just say, yeah, like you're kind of like a mix of all and, and I woulds. Categories myself the same way. I describe myself the same way, because I grew up in Texas where it was around a lot of, uh, Latinos, Hispanics, and blacks, and also white. but I was also a skateboarder, so it was kind of weird. And then when I went to California, the, the, culture here more prevalent was like, you know, black culture and hip hop and basketball and all these things. So I got the mix of both. So because of that, I also feel like I'm well rounded because of it, you know? Um, I would say if I could describe, so the, the one I didn't describe was like the Asian, Asian, and what I mean by Asian Asians, where you grew up in, uh, the, what is it? The Gabriel, um, valley.

Leo Chan: 7:29

6

Mike Tran: 7:29

St Gabriel. Yeah. Where it's like 90 or 80% of the population in that city is all Asians. Right. And you're surrounded by Asians. And when I think about the Asian Asian, I think about like Wong Fu or like, you know, where the community is very tight knit and all they're gonna be hanging out with is the Asian Asian. I wouldn't consider myself that. I'd probably consider myself further from that than the other ones that I mentioned. That's the reason why I wanna talk about cuz it's so interesting how you can kind of categorize it, even though if you really look at the whole thing. In general, it's really stupid because it's a generalization there. Like black people don't just sound a specific way. Or like, just because you speak in a proper way, like you're, you're white or like only white people can speak, but we're just gonna play on it. Right. Like what we know and how people sometimes describe. Um, but would you agree to my description? Like, well, Rondo, would you think it's something

Leo Chan: 8:21

that's, that's, pretty spot on. And again, I think like we're even having this kind of conversation because there is a diverse mix of different kinds of Asians. And that's why it's like, we're talking about the different categories. Like really like, talk about how, like, there's not just one type of Asian because. There isn't just one type of Asian, um, versus what we, we normally see on TV or movies. So like, this is a healthy conversation. This is not like to talk bad about any person . Um, this is just to talk about like, openly that, like, it's not just one type of Asian out there that there is all these different kind of subtypes per se. Yeah.

Mike Tran: 8:59

Yeah. So it's, so it's super interesting that I hear this. And, and sometimes, yeah, sometimes I feel like some of these categories get a bad, like, you know, you hear it all the time. Oh, why are you trying to be black? Or why are you trying to be so white? Or like, there's always like this. Maybe it's something that I've seen in like, uh, social media with the comments. Like they're always like arguing with each other,

Leo Chan: 9:19

uh,

Mike Tran: 9:20

And I think because of it, there's like a divide, you know, like it's so weird. It's like, and, and I think it's unfair that why can't, I guess, inside, like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if we even have that, do we, what does that look like? Transcribing...

Leo Chan: 10:06

there is we do. Yeah. It's kind of cool. Cuz it's like, when I see it all, I'm always

Mike Tran: 10:15

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Dragon ball Z and stuff.

Leo Chan: 10:19

but like they love anime. Like I've seen photos and videos of people who love anime and it's like, you know, I'll be honest cuz we're trying to be honest on the podcast. Like, I'll be honest at first I'm like, oh now you like anime. Oh I'm sorry. Like that's kind of weird. Like that's our thing. And then of course I have to peel myself back and it's like, wait a minute. I grew up on black culture. I grew up with their music and their, you know, sports and it's like, whoa, hold on. Like, if they never had problems with me liking that stuff, I shouldn't have a problem with black people liking anime. Like, it's not fair. Like you can't just claim something. That's not your creation and be like, oh, it's not for black people. Or like for white people. Right. Like that's also kind of messed up. So, but yeah, but I I've seen it. And it's like, kind of cool in a way, if you really think about it, that like now anime reach. All kinds of demographic and it's very diverse audience

Mike Tran: 11:16

That's actually very funny now that you mention it. You're right. Cause I, I feel like there are some like the black guys that will like outta nowhere talk about these anime shows or something. And then when you really think about it, I think even like some athletes, some NBA athletes, like. I forgot who it is, like a well known, like they're hella into it.

Leo Chan: 11:34

Zion, Zion. Williamson is one of them. And then like, um, Yeah. like, oh, and then also, um, Michael B. Jordan, he did a whole thing with like Naruto and

Mike Tran: 11:44

Yeah. Yeah.

Leo Chan: 11:45

and it's just like, oh, like if, like I said, at first it's like, oh, like enemy is mainstream, but then it's like, that's kind of cool that they liked it so much that they wanted to bring it up with their own collaboration. like If you like something that much, that means you're like putting this with your image.

Mike Tran: 12:04

You're locking it in like yet, like you're associating, I'm associating myself with this this thing. Yeah.

Leo Chan: 12:09

like association. Um, so in that way, it's, it is kind of cool.

Mike Tran: 12:14

You know, what's interesting too, to me, I feel like mainstream culture for the largest part of, I don't know, like the se seventies, eighties, nineties. Was like geared towards white, you know, white culture where like there's Backstreet boys, like the, I'm talking about like mainstream, right? Where Britney Spears pop and like in the Mo even, even, even in the movies, like a lot of the songs that they used during those times was like very pop or rock. But now, as we're transitioning in, in black culture is becoming more of the, the prominent culture of mainstream media and stuff like that. Now, even in movies, the music and stuff is integrated into movies or whatever it, it may be. So I wonder what does mainstream look like when, and if Asian American culture or whatever it may be becomes, if it ever does become like the main thing. Like, I mean, right. Like we're making these transitions. I don't know if it's like, and what does that look like? And what, what does that entail? Like, you know what I

Leo Chan: 13:14

it's just like, it, it is, it is kind of hard to tell because the only little bit we see is, um, K-pop you do kind of see BTS and the K-pop groups, like one of their songs are kind of on the top 50 on Spotify. They're obviously the only Asian group in like the music war shows

Mike Tran: 13:36

And even then it's not even, it's not even home bread. That's also another thing, you know what I

Leo Chan: 13:41

It's different because even to us, it's like K K-pop is still. Korea Korea.

Mike Tran: 13:48

Yeah,

Leo Chan: 13:49

feel different in that way. And like, when you look at it that way, it's like, there's not any Asian

Mike Tran: 13:55

we don't really have anything for

Leo Chan: 13:57

artist per se. Um, I mean, you can argue Olivia RGO cuz she was

Mike Tran: 14:05

She's Filipino. And uh, what else

Leo Chan: 14:07

Half a Filipino. I think, but it's just like, it's almost like if she's not really being seen, if, if they're not being seen as Asian, like we don't really have Asian artists cracking even in the top 50 per se, let alone hanging that impact. But yeah. I mean, it's kind of, I don't know. That's hard to imagine because, but I, I mean, even like Hollywood is just starting to crack open. So then maybe as we go forward, if it's like an all Asian film with all Asian producers and cast, then you can use all Asian music. Like, I don't know, like I'm, I'm thinking what kind of impact that's gonna bring.

Mike Tran: 14:48

Yeah, because when I'm thinking about like what, African Americans, blacks, like they're the ones that came up with hip hop or like R and B. And for us, it's like, I don't even know. What's like, What's solely ours, you know, like I guess the only thing would be like food that's gone mainstream, like Chinese food, like FA and that's the only thing that we can kind of cuz you know, like the FA in America is completely different from FA in, in Vietnam. So we can call it our own because it's Vietnamese, American food, you know? So like, like what else do, can we provide like, yeah, again, that's why like black cultures, like they, they have music, they have they're dominating sports they're so I always wonder like if it were. To come to a time where Asian American culture is like prevalent in America, like, what does that look like? What are we offering? What can we offer? You know, like we, we can name so many things with, with white America cuz they, you know, there's a ton of stuff for them, but like what do we have to offer? And I guess that's why we have these labels where we can't have a label of our own really, you know, like that's why we have like, oh, this Asian guy is like wanna be black or this Asian guy wants to be white.

Leo Chan: 15:53

yeah, I was thinking like, you know, growing up in the black culture, um, I've been part of it. So like you're probably really into street style. Um, Sneakers jerseys, listen to hip hop, rap. Like you are very in tune with these artists and that kind of music as well. Like, you know, what's going on. Um, and again, these are like super stereotypical. Like, I feel Like,

Mike Tran: 16:16

yeah, of

Leo Chan: 16:16

they would apply the same stereotype. If they're describing a white person who's more black or a white person, who's more, you know, vice versa. Um, but yeah, like I feel like that's kind of like the stereotype and uh, yeah, and I feel.

Mike Tran: 16:29

The sports are like football, basketball.

Leo Chan: 16:31

like, I, I feel like we know quite a few people who are like that too. And like, there's nothing wrong with it. Like, that's just, that's just how they grew up. Like, it's not, it's not like they were trying to be someone who they're not, it's not like they're trying to copy someone and it's not like they're doing it for their benefit. And it really is a product of their environment. And the people they grew up with, like, I know someone like we, we know someone like Andy, like he grew up in Oakland, right. He's always wearing sneakers and, and, he talks that way and it's like I get it. You know, it's not that he's doing This for fun or on purpose. Like that's who he is He grew up that way. So like, yeah.

Mike Tran: 17:12

And you know what? This is a good segue. I think, um, what, like Aquafina, right? She grew up, apparently she grew up in Queens or something. Brook, I don't know. What is she? Is it Queens? And then she has that accent. She has that very unique accent. That is part of, you know, like she says that she grew up in, in, a lot of people. They just don't, they can't get it in their head that this person. Did go up in that environment and they just picked up the way this they spoke and they're not, you, you know, you get what I'm saying and they, they had these arguments and then for some reason, Aquafina, sometimes she'll speak. Differently too. It's almost like a, in corporate America. Yeah. In corporate America. It's called code switching. Right. It's where people will try to talk proper or like, you know, professional. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like they'll yeah. Corporate speaking. So it's like, so let let's say Aquafina does code, switch, whatever it is that doesn't take away. I don't think people understand. That it doesn't take away from how she grew up and how they spoke then. Cuz cuz when I was a kid, I spoke differently from this as well, but it doesn't take away that I'm trying to speak a different way. You know what I mean? Like, like, and people are so upset about it. Like, oh she don't speak that way then why she speak so proper here? Like, you know, I

Leo Chan: 18:22

a way it's like, in a way it's like, there's no win, win for her because then you're trying to please different people. And like the haters are gonna hate regardless. And yeah, like the whole thing is like people who grew up in New York city, they're like, that's how we all talk. We all talk like this Like all grew up

Mike Tran: 18:41

even people defend her in the comments. They'll say that they literally, no.

Leo Chan: 18:45

up. Like what the hell? Like literally, that's how we talk. Like you just don't know. And you're saying that because you're not from here. Yeah. I mean, it's tough.

Mike Tran: 18:54

Yeah.

Leo Chan: 18:55

It's like, what do you want her to do?

Mike Tran: 18:58

Honestly, those people that say these things, I have a problem with it. I feel like these people are from areas where there's no diversity. They don't ever see a certain person speak this way is that they lack the exposure. You know, they come from a place where they don't have enough exposure to it to

Leo Chan: 19:12

So maybe, uh, maybe they grew up in an all black neighborhood or all white neighborhood and they're just. like,

Mike Tran: 19:18

In the south or something. Yeah. Cause I know there's still parts in the south where it's very like, I guess segregated, even though it's not where people stay in their own communities and they don't. And I can see that, you're only, uh, exposure to how an Asian can be is like through media then. Yeah, of course. You're gonna think that's funny or like that doesn't look natural because you have no other way to, to see it. Right.

Leo Chan: 19:40

yeah.

Mike Tran: 19:41

So I know that's, that's so interesting that this conversation has led to all these, you know, different nuances. But I, I know Aquafina definitely is one of those victims where that, oh, you're just trying to capitalize on black Americas, like lingo or whatever, you know, like what do they call it? What is it it's like, um,

Leo Chan: 19:58

Uh,

Mike Tran: 20:00

or what is, how do

Leo Chan: 20:01

I don't know, but yeah, I, I, totally get what you're saying. Yeah. yeah, I, I, definitely get what you're trying to say. Yeah. But yeah, let's move on to the last one, the Asian, Asian one.

Mike Tran: 20:12

Oh, yeah. Yeah. They, so yeah, the Asian Asian one again is the Asians where they grew up with nothing. It would be the equivalent of being in Kentucky and all you're surrounded by are just white people.

Leo Chan: 20:23

So just all

Mike Tran: 20:24

are also only Asians. Yeah. And that's their community. That's their bubble. And those. yeah,

Leo Chan: 20:31

I feel like, yeah, they, they only eat Asian food. They only have bubble tea or Boba. Um, they probably have those like cute Asian plush pillow things, or if it's for well guy or girl, they could also have like the Asian action figures. Like, I don't know, like a dragon ballsy Goku, or like a Gundo figure. Um, and also speak from experience. I feel like I was obviously Asian, Asian, cuz I grew up in Hong Kong for 10 years. So I feel like that's the part of me. I feel like that that's the part of me that I had growing up cuz like Asian, Asian is Asian. So then I come to America and it's like, well I can't be Asian cuz I need to fit in. So I kind of abandoned that to fit in. So like, yeah. So then it's like that. That's when I'm like, oh I'm not gonna watch Asian TV shows cuz I'm trying to learn English. I'm trying to learn the culture. So part of that is like a banding. That side of me to fit in. So I guess in a way, if you are like multiple generations in California and you only grow up in, um, this massive Chinatown community, basically you don't have to fit in. You don't have to deal with. Diversity issue. You are always surrounded by Asian. So you're in that community. So you don't need to abandon the things that you grew up with, right? Like, I guess like, that's, that's the difference, cuz like for you, you, you grew up in multiple places And I grew up in multiple places and like it was never just the Asian community. Um, yeah. I, I imagine like, cuz I think like WAFF food is a really good example because. Their content is very much that Korea, like the K drama, Korean drama vibe, like the Hong Kong China style show, but made Americanized in their version. But like it has that kind of like, uh, romance kind of show vibe to it. Yeah.

Mike Tran: 22:29

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And don't, and don't get me wrong. Uh, I remember the first time I, I stumbled upon Wong food and I was like, damn, this is cool. Cuz I'd never seen Asians like acting in that

Leo Chan: 22:40

on a screen.

Mike Tran: 22:42

Yeah, cause you know, like that's the only way we could access like Asian talent was like YouTube, you know, Asian creators on YouTube. But I think the guys are also from that area too. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but at that same San Gabriel, I feel that there's a large YouTube population like there that initial Asian, YouTube they're from that area. So it's very interesting. And, and again, I think the entire point of it, just to understand. The weird nuance and categories that we define as, you know, Asian guys or whatever. I think one thing I've also noticed is like, there are Asians who grew up in the white, you know, communities and like are the bananas or whatever, or even the opposite, right? The yellow cake, fudge, whatever. They don't know how to befriend other Asians because of those things. They always, sometimes they'll reach out to me by like, I grew up white now I'm trying to reconnect with other Asians. I just don't know how, like we're so different and they'll say these things. So I was like, it's interesting. Right? Like

Leo Chan: 23:41

true. Yeah. Right. Like we're, we're all Asians, but yet we're like, we're so different. like you, cuz you can't connect on, on the same topics and the same hobbies and the same things. Um, yeah. You like, I also think like the whole Asian, Asian probably is more in tune with watching K drama and K-pop which for me that even might be the yeah, like what you're saying, like I'm. The most far away from that compared to the other two categories. Like I probably more in tune with the mainstream stuff in America, like what's going on on HBO, max, and what's going on on Netflix versus what's going on on K drama and like YouTube. Like I have no idea. And even like what you were saying too, like the Asian artists, like 88 rising it's like, for me, it's kind of one of those things where it's like recently I. Oh, I should pay attention to this and like support these Asian artists, cuz Like I don't know. I otherwise, why would I just come across them? Cuz I'm not in the Asian community. Like I don't just, I didn't just openly seek out Asian artists. I didn't know they even existed. But if you're in the community, you know, they've been around

Mike Tran: 24:54

no, they're huge. Yeah. That's also funny too. Like Rich, Brian, remember like his name was controversial back in the day, cuz it was a rich chia, I think a play on words. And he got from trouble with that. Brian like,

Leo Chan: 25:09

does sound familiar. Now

Mike Tran: 25:11

what is it rich? Yeah. Yeah, it was, uh, he's an Indonesian rapper, which is even funny, cuz yeah, he's from Indonesia. Apparently. I don't know how long he was there for, but his original name was uh, rich Jigga and then he got into a lot of trouble because obviously he's too close to, and now he's rich Brian, which is, you know, much

Leo Chan: 25:32

But like ADA rising, this other guy has, has a few, uh, big hits. Like, um, I don't know if he Koji, I like him. He's a good vibe.

Mike Tran: 25:43

yeah, heard his last song. It was his wonder song. I thought it was

Leo Chan: 25:45

top he's he's top 50, but I don't know. I don't know. I see, like, I, I like the music. Okay. So he's he's half and he's part of the whole 88 rising. I. Yeah. but that's cool. Like, um, you know, I think these are the baby steps we need to make to kind of break

Mike Tran: 26:03

Joji Joji.

Leo Chan: 26:06

These are the kind of baby steps we need to make to kind of change the perspective.

Mike Tran: 26:10

So wait, 88 rising they're international. They're not like a like America born type.

Leo Chan: 26:16

you asking the wrong person.

Mike Tran: 26:19

Oh yeah, because I'm looking up their artists and they look like they're not, they're like international.

Leo Chan: 26:24

But then maybe now they have artists all over to represent and all that. Maybe. I don't know how they started.

Mike Tran: 26:30

Oh. So they must have started off.

Leo Chan: 26:32

Mm-hmm

Mike Tran: 26:34

Because Joji, he's from Japan, like he's born in Osaka

Leo Chan: 26:37

Mm that's. Cool.

Mike Tran: 26:40

And then, yeah, so I guess, yeah, they came from Asia and then they got big in America. I thought this whole time, 88 rising where artists in America that were Asian, Asian Americans. Wow. Learn something new every day,

Leo Chan: 26:53

Yeah. So I know like recently there was like a Asian music festival and like, you know, stuff like that, that like, I I've never heard, like, the thing was like hits in the cloud or something. Like, I've never heard of that. cuz. um, I don't know I didn't grow up with that kind of culture. that's. not really on my radar, but like, part of me feels bad cuz it's like, oh, I'm Asian. I should know about this. like, I should support them. And like, you know, I'm trying to pay more attention to that. Especially for someone like me who has, you know, for us, like with social media presence, we really need to like keep being vocal about supporting each other and like have that kind of sense of community in that way. Yeah.

Mike Tran: 27:34

But yeah, I mean, It's funny how we, uh, well, for everyone listening, you guys know what a banana is now for all the dirty minds out there. That's not what I was talking about. Y'all nasty. you too Lee. You're like, wait, wait, you said you wanna do episode

Leo Chan: 27:47

like, what's going on?

Mike Tran: 27:51

Uh, but anyway, I think as, as far as we can go with the, the banana category, but I think it's so interesting and I think maybe one day. Asian American culture will be the prominent culture in America. That would be crazy. Thanks for hopping on Leo. And we'll talk to you guys for the next episode. All right guys.