What is the purpose of faith based books and why should we consider writing them? That's the topic I'm discussing today with Christian Author Maressa Mortimer.
What is the purpose of faith based books and why should we consider writing them? That's the topic I'm discussing today with Christian Author Maressa Mortimer.
Hi, and welcome to the writing and Marketing Show brought to you by author Wendy H. Jones. This show does exactly what it says on the tin. It's jam packed with interviews, advice, hints, tips and news to help you with the business of writing. It's all wrapped up in one lively podcast, so it's time to get on with the show. And welcome to Episode 80 of the writing and Marketing Show with author entrepreneur, Wendy h. Jones. It's going to be a short intro today because my throat is extremely strained because I've been on zoom a couple of times already today, and my throat seizing up a little bit. So I don't want to have to give up halfway through. So today we're going to be interviewing Mrs. Mortimer about writing faith based books. And she is one of the authors of my creativity matters books, which comes out on the first of September. And I want to talk to her about her particular chapter, and get to know more about maresa. So before I interview her, it's an absolute honour to do the show for you every week. And I do it willingly. And I do it with pleasure because I enjoy it. But it does take time out of my writing time. And that's if you would like to support that time, then you can do so by going to patreon.com that's pa t ar e o n.com. and supporting me for just $3 a month which is less than the price of a tea or coffee a month. And it would let me know that you're enjoying the show and that you want me to continue with it up to the 100th episode and beyond. So what have maresa Well, Marissa and is the minister martyrdom is Dutch but she lives in the beautiful Cotswolds England with her husband and four adopted children. maresa is a homeschool mom as well as a pastor's wife. So her writing has to be done in the evening when peace and quiet descend on the house once more. She loves writing Christian fiction as it's a great way to explore faith in daily life. Her debut novel Sapphire Beach was published in December 2019. And her first self published novel walled city came out in December 2020, followed by Viking fairy and Avella. Beyond the hills is the second book in the Elabi Chronicles was released on June the 18th 2021. All of her latest books are available from her website. So without further ado, let's get on with the show. And hear from maresa Dang. Alright, hi, Marissa, how are you?
Maressa Mortimer:I'm fine. Thank you.
Wendy Jones:But it's such a pleasure to have you on the show again, how have you been since the last time you were on?
Maressa Mortimer:I'm quite busy actually doing lots of crazy sort of summery things, which is really nice. You know, being outside and campaigning and all sorts of wild adventures.
Wendy Jones:I would say how exciting but I managed to do that for 17 years in the Army put me off camping for life. To literature, which I know more about when camping. Today, we're going to be talking about faith based books, which I think is a great topic, to be honest. And I know we're going to talk about this later. But it's the chapter that you're doing for creativity matters, you know, so I thought I would interview you and just find out a bit more about you and about writing faith based books. So my first question is always we like to get a, you know, a starting point, we like to be everybody to be on a level playing field when we start off. So let's lay our cards on the table here. What would you consider to be faith based books.
Maressa Mortimer:I've probably you know, maybe a bit broader than some people would prefer. But there are sort of faith based books and there's books that have hints or faith in them, I suppose. Personally, I actually really like very strong faith based books, because it encourages me and it helps me and I think it's just books that you know, that where the characters will live out their faith rather than I mean, you know, you get the books in it, it seemed to be like tacked on at the end sort of thing. And I don't really like that because it's not how life works. It's not like you know, you say a prayer in the morning and then the rest of the day just goes head to think so. For me, a faith based book is written that it you know, the characters lives the way they think that, to me is a faith based.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, I mean, that leads quite nicely on to my second question, but before that, I would just like to say that I agree. You know, there are levels of faith in your faith base. boots, because some people just have a very light touch. For example, in my, in my class claim or books, they're not big boots per se, but her sister is a is a vicar in the Church of Scotland. So faith is brought into it very lightly. But I think these books will mean, as Christians, we always think it's Christian books. But of course, there are Jewish books, you know, there are Muslim books, there are other. There are books where the protagonist might be a Muslim, you know, living their faith, but still. And so it's all faiths, really. And this leads me on quite nicely to my next question, because there's To be honest, when I think of faith based books, I think a Christian fiction, or any type of fiction, really, but, of course, it's not just fiction, is it? So it's quite a broad term faith based books, what books would fit into this wide ranging category of faith based books?
Maressa Mortimer:I think because like a very long way, doesn't it from like you say, you know, it's just a very, very light touch to sort of like the self help type money also or devotional reading. And I think my mind tends to be slightly frazzled by the end of the day. And so to me, a nonfiction book that is just very hard work. So when I read a faith based nonfiction book, it's just very hard to try and picture I'm not very good at abstract like maths is not my thing. So, you know, when they say, Oh, you know, we should trust and have courage. You think, yeah, well, what does that look like on a Monday morning, and I just find that really hard work, because it means that I have to actually figure out what it looks like. So I find a faith based fiction book, you sort of get gripped by the story, and it makes it clear straight away what you mean. And I think it helps to picture I remember for school, we had to read I think it's called the chosen. So my name is Asher lev. I think they're all home Pathak alumni. And, you know, and like you said, they're Jewish Facebook's, and it really brought out, you know, different kinds of Jewish groupings. And, and I think, you know, if you just read that as an article, I think especially, it's like, all the teenagers would have definitely gone straight over my head, and it wouldn't have made any sense whatsoever. But to read it in a book, and to see the personal struggles of the things, I think that she has really helped because it gives you a picture. So there's like a wide range now where you have, you know, like, like, my name is Ashley left and the chosen there, it's very much over about a faith battle. And I've just read the most fantastic book called the tapestry of light. And, and again, it's like a very obvious struggle about a faith incident in a way. So I think you get that, really, the faith is the centre of the book, or you get the sailors just light touch, or a little if there's a line, but but not, not in your face sort of thing.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, I mean, I would agree, actually, because there are so many different subcategories within that. For example, you know, linetti Singh, and people like her who write romantic suspense. They're very Christian focused. You've got the historical ones like Tricia Goyer, you know, and then you've got books like his body. th, O, E, and E.
Maressa Mortimer:I call it tuna. That's probably completely wrong, but
Wendy Jones:I have no clue how you pronounce it. So if you're listening, if you're still alive in listening, I apologise. But I learned so much do about it so much about Jewish faith and the struggle from reading her books, and their their books like that. But then there are other writers who've written about, and they're not Christian writers, but they've written where and I've completely forgotten the name. I was thinking of my brains dead, it's late at night. But there was the who've written about the struggles in the Jewish ghettos and things like that during the war. And they're not faith, not faith themselves, but they unpick it so well, that you learn about it. So I think you're right, that you can learn a lot through the pages of fiction, as long as the facts behind it is correct. You know, and nonfiction, you're right. Have I read nonfiction, non fiction, nonfiction. I read it first thing in the morning because really, and truly by the time I go to bed, nothing against anybody that writes Christian nonfiction, but I can bet your bottom dollar before I've read three lines of a sleep. Whereas with a fiction book, I take it a bit further. So you're right. You know, there are different versions of it. You know, there's romance, there's mystery. There's this No culture, there's biblical books. You know, like Amanda bajra that I interviewed her about her book, Leah, and who's the author we were talking about recently, you and I, and or maybe it was myself and Amanda. But she's written a book. And it's about Leah, Jacob and Leah. But it's set in contemporary, not contemporary, and Scotland during the Jacobite rebellion. You know, yeah, let's cut to six. Yes,
Maressa Mortimer:sir. She's got two theories. One, exactly. They're brilliant.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, there are so many different versions, that if you wanted to try your hand, writing any faith based book, you have a fighting chance at it?
Maressa Mortimer:Absolutely. Absolutely. It's a fantastic way to look at faith in a way because, like I said, it, it makes it practical, you know, whereas, you know, writing a sort of self help type book, or devotional type bogey, in a way you it's a lot more abstract. And, and they sort of, like, you know, like, almost that the safety from the pulpit thing, isn't it? You know, you can still like, talk at people, but it's hard to sort of see, you know, well, what do you mean, have courage, you know, so I, you know, it's quite easy to be sort of armchair Christian sort of thing. Isn't it adverse, I think, you know, if you put it in a story, you find out that actually, when you're like really tired and you have a headache, because someone knocked on the head with something, it's really hard to be patient and courageous and kind and, you know, be meek, you just want to walk them back. Or say, oh, bitcoins, you think Yeah, well, that only works until you know, someone makes that last car park space, isn't it?
Wendy Jones:Yeah, I would kill somebody for the last time. We need to write books about that car parking spaces, Christy, I think car parking space. Absolutely.
Maressa Mortimer:Absolutely. Christianity all over
Wendy Jones:that area. I know so many people were going off the boil here slightly. But you know, at one point there was a real, a real passion for having a fish on your car to city your question. I knew loads of people that went couldn't my pastor at the time who said I wouldn't put fish on the Karla means you've got to be nice on the road. Anyway, moving swiftly onwards, from our abilities, and cars, were all good that promise, we will move on to the next question. Oh, that's terrible. What are we saying? Said I think we even picked this already, Really? But why do you feel that these types of books are important?
Maressa Mortimer:I think it's because, you know, that there's a lot of things I think, not just for Christians, but also people's perspective of Christians. I mean, you know, other faiths, probably as well. But it's like, Christianity is like a Sunday thing. You know, you go to church, and like, we say, you're nice to people there and you have a nice cup of tea afterwards. And, and then you go home, and then your life starts. And and it's not like that. Because, you know, what does it mean to be a Christian on a Tuesday morning, when someone is taking your last car, parking space, whatever, what do you do? So it's, I think it's a, it's a great way to look at faith questions in context. So rather than say, Oh, well, you know, just be you know, trust God, you think, do you know, what if there's a problem? So I think, you know, those kinds of books really helped. And I find that really encouraging. I mean, like, the one I just mentioned, a tapestry of light. It's someone you know, struggling with questions or faith, like, Is God real? Is he actually, you know, am I following the right God? What if I'm, you know, completely mistaken. So, and you follow along with how you go, like, Oh, yeah, you know, so, I think it's really important because, because it helps you to understand God in a much deeper way. And I think it's a theme of like historical fiction, you know, you learn a lot about history without just learning dates and names and, and it makes a much bigger impact, I think because it's now associated with with other people, even though they're fictional people that you sort of thought up you know, that faith has faced in a way and Christian living gets a shape to it rather than being very abstract thing you to mow the lawn. That's my view. That's what I think is really important because I think it encourages and helps to shape your, your way. You can bring in different characters as well, rather than, you know, only be with the people that you live with. You meet different kinds of people, but within a faith context, you think, oh, wow, I've never thought of that.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, no, I would agree with you because you can't bring it into you. No different ways where people would, there are no Christians would read them as well. Because Forgive me, my memory is short tonight. Okay, I've had a very long day. But whatever Psalm The The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want. Yeah, that one, whatever number it is, I've forgotten, but somebody has a series of books and the call to some whatever number is mysteries. Yeah. Sorry.
Maressa Mortimer:And then 23
Wendy Jones:Yeah, yeah, that's it. But then they're brilliant because there's a the main the two protagonists. One is the secretary from a church. The other is the rabbi from the synagogue next door. Yeah. And they always find a dead body there. There's always a mystery. And then they go on to solve it. But matters of faith are woven through it. And the way it's woven through is very good. Because obviously, there's, they got on very well together, they're friends. And they work together to do this. But they've obviously got different ideas of what faith is because one's Jewish. One is a Christian, and so weaves the end what they think and how it is into a mystery. That's done very well. And so that's, you know, I think that's one of the reasons as well, that you can write faith based books, because these books do lend themselves to bringing out matters of faith without battling your own head with it.
Maressa Mortimer:Absolutely, yeah. I think it's a good point. Because in address, people have lots of, you know, misconceptions and things. And, and I think, you know, you could write an endless book about trying to put Africa on straight, but you know, people like to say, read three lines, and then nod off. And I think, you know, I mean, like, children being adopted, lots of people think, Oh, well, now they're in a good family, all the trauma will just disappear overnight. And of course, it's not like that. And I think, you know, as, in a lot of Christians can be very glib, and they think, Well, you know, you just say a quick prayer, and all your problems will just sort of dissolve. And it's not like that, if you write in a book, they go, Oh, that's not a very good book, because there's not much, you know, trust in there. Whereas if you put it in a story, you can see people struggling with the same thing. So I did, like biking very, you know, that she sort of forgives until you look in the mirror and think, actually, I'm still really angry, and you have to forgive all over again. It's not like that, you know, one time often, so I forgive that person. And life moves on, it doesn't because you can sincerely forgive until you read something you think you know what I'm actually that person, I you know, if they were here, now, it would have a black eye.
Wendy Jones:Well, I recently read a series of books more recently, it was about six months ago, but there's quite a few in the series. And this led this young woman, her sister and brother in law die and leave her with eight kids, eight children. And she has to look after these eight kids and have Christian books, and tell I'll tell you these novels are what's and all, you know, they really are warts and all, they bring it all out, you know, and if she could have had God standing in front of her, she would have smacked him in the face, you know, grim What's going on? You know? And so you can't be real I think that's what you're saying you know that you can't be real in fiction. Whereas if you're real in nonfiction very often people will you know, say oh, well as you say, what do you think you can't be very good Christian. What is a nonfiction you can unpick it all really great books. I read them all one after the other. I couldn't put
Maressa Mortimer:Aggie something
Wendy Jones:Yes, Aggie somethi
Maressa Mortimer:Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read one of them one years ago. Yeah. I think I think she was shocked that her Sister Wives lots of kids runny noses with a baby wipe and she thought that's that's really not very respectful to the poor child you know, I mean, if you need to blow you know, she used like a proper tissue in there. But then she wants you to go she was like, forget the tissues and all the, you know, the right way of doing things
Wendy Jones:Wipe you noseon th curtains if you like. Just to tell you the truth. It made me ray that I'd never be left wit
Maressa Mortimer:That's fine.
Wendy Jones:They're very good, but you've a better memory tha me. You can remember everythin me have a terrible memory. can't remember what I had for m tea. I did it was chocolate. shouldn't say that. I'm no going to be having chocolate a the moment Anyway, moving o from my abilities to do what I' told that and, again, I thin we've unpacked some of the nex question, but there are tw distinct subcategories within i fiction and nonfiction. And, yo know, why are why is i important that we have both o these types of books
Maressa Mortimer:Yeah, I think it's because there's different kinds of people as well, isn't there? I think. I mean, like, my husband never reads fiction, the only fiction books he's read are mine. He wrote my first one. And then he couldn't believe I hadn't sold it now, 5 million copies within the first week. So I think, because he thought it was like the best book ever. And I was like, it's only because you know, Atlanta blind to one would one is king sort of thing isn't. So you have no comparison. So that's fine. But he likes the nonfiction books. And I think, you know, people that are very sort of analytical mind probably don't want all the fluff around the story, they just want what's the point of the thing. And I think, in a way, in a in a nonfiction book, you could maybe make the point, quick, or you could, you know, make more points in a way, if you would have a topic, you could really deal with it all the range is off the topic, I suppose. Whereas in fiction, you can't bring in, you know, 500 questions they have for God to have the you know, it would, it would just make for a very long book. So I think you'd be more limited, you end up with one smallest theme, I think, through the book. So. So I think it serves different kinds of people, and different times.
Wendy Jones:Yes, I would agr e with that, you know, peop e have different needs at di ferent times, as you say, and di ferent people react differe tly to different things. Abso utely. You know, I know peop e that would never read a fictio book, if it was the only t ing on offer, you know, and y t they would devour a nonficti n book and tell you every sing e word in it and you're like
Maressa Mortimer:exactly, you know, exactly. And I think there's a time and place I'm, I'm in like, my first book, Sapphire beach, this is a lot around domestic violence. And it's based on a friend coming out with it. And me learning that actually, in the church, there is domestic violence still happening. So I did read some nonfiction books about it, because I was like, how can you live like this? And why would you not just, you know, the first time someone glares at you pack your bags, do you know why? But why would you do that for 20 years, so I needed to read nonfiction books to just get my head round. You know, why they stay, why they keep keep going back after every apology, why they would put their children at risk, why they, you know, and the whole gaslighting and narcissism and the whole thing involved and, and I didn't have time to read a whole series with fiction books, or dealing with tiny, little nuances. I just needed a nonfiction book that gave me all the facts as soon as possible, in a shorter time, and it helps. And it's that kind of book that you just need to absorb all the questions, because I have so many questions, because that that just never occurred to me that that would still happen. But
Wendy Jones:that's an excellent example, actually. Because there are times when you just need to get to the nitty gritty. If you're about to adopt a kid, you don't want to read 12 novels about it. You want to read a book on how to cope when y u've suddenly got eight kids on yo
Maressa Mortimer:Even with four I read a lot of nonfictio books, a couple of months befor the
Wendy Jones:You want, this is what you do when your kids ha ing a meltdown, you know? N, no, I'll reach nine till sh deals with that topic. Yeah. Y ah. So, I mean, there are a l t of writers who have a faith a d they write different types o books. Why do you think that an writer who lives accordi g to a faith should try writing books, be faith be spooks?
Maressa Mortimer:I think for me, it's a very good way of processing my own questions. And you know, what, if you know whatever it is, and you just put it you know, you give it a name and a face and you come up with some characters and you might have like, a really pleasant character and then you bring in a very unpleasant character and and see what happens to your really nice, kind, meek little character suddenly gets really riled up and suddenly she's no longer polite, or kind to that it's just really, really struggle to make someone a coffee. And you know, it feels like putting in salt instead of sugar and, you know, so and then, you know, what would happen because she would maybe force herself to stay kind. And would that make the, the opposite person worse without just antagonise or without though, like, Oh, I'm so sorry. I upset your poor little characters. What I think so. You can play things out and I think it sort of reflects life in a way isn't it? You know, if you, if you're not real, it's not going to make people think, Oh dear, you're such a pleasant person. And so doing your best in your face or better be really nice. It doesn't that really annoys them. So they, they become worse and they, so you can try it out your characters and so I wonder what happens if, you know, I did it in walled city I wonder what happens if someone goes to evangelise in a really awkward place all by himself. And that went well for a bit. And then it's like, well, let's take his Bible away. And now see how the evangelism goes when he has no Christian input, and no friends, you know, and it's just a nice way of exploring what happens if, and I think it's a really good thing to do. Ask questions, because, you know, you all have like, little doubts or questions or, you know, things he thing or wonder why that is, in the Bible. I wonder, you know, who saw that that was a good idea today. And so put it in context, and, you know, give it a name and a ration and play with it and give it a hard time. Let's see what happens.
Wendy Jones:Yeah, no, I would agree. There was a there was an author who suddenly I've completely forgotten. Somebody forgetting a Christian name, or surname is Fox. And she wrote three books in a trilogy about female Vicar. And the way she struggled with things, you know, she, she was married, but she fancied The, the Archbishop, and things like that. And it was the way she struggled with everyday things. And she put her in some terrible, terrible situations. And it really played out, you know, how we do struggle. And we always get the idea that, you know, everybody else is 100%, straight down the middle, and they have no problems. When that's not the case, you know, you can see that other people struggle. And as I say, I have a terrible memory for names tonight. I apologise. Normally, I would real these names off, but I've completely forgotten. But you're right, you know, you can, you can see the way that people are struggling. And if you're writing those books, you can deal with things that you might feel people would struggle with, or you may be struggling with yourself or your friends are struggling with. Exactly,
Maressa Mortimer:exactly. And I think that's the thing is, like, you know, people could say, Oh, you know, just trust God, but it's like, well, that's fine on like, a Sunday morning, when you're all nice and cosy up with a cup of tea and a biscuit at the end of the night service. But, you know, it's life is really hard. And also, it's like, well, what do you mean? So I try that in Sapphire beach where she was like, write that said, I will be courageous, and I will not be manipulated anymore, I'll trust thought and, and then she goes off and does something really stupid. You think? Well, that's not quite what God has in mind when he says, you know, trust God with the outcome, he doesn't want you to be an idiot, you know, you know, how common sense. So, you know, that's being courageous and as being, you know, foolish. But
Wendy Jones:well, you know, we've, we've all been there, haven't we? And, and to be honest, it's good to see it in books, because we can see the way it's playing out. And we don't feel as if we're the only person struggling with that, you know, and it's in a safe way. Now, I know, I know, your books have an element of faith in them, how do you read this thing? Without overpowering the reader?
Maressa Mortimer:Um, I think it's just, I tend to have like, a question that I want to, you know, see, or, or a theme or, or just the character that I really like, and I just want to see in trouble. And because the characters know, they might be people or face so it comes out like inviting fairy, you know, she, she feels that she ought to forgive because she's a good Christian girl, and she should forgive, but she really doesn't want to forgive them at all. And then, you know, she feels that maybe she doesn't have to, because they, you know, they're time travelling Viking. So they might not even be real. So, you know, doesn't even have to bother forgiving them. And, you know, like in Wall city, the question was, what happens if you go by yourself in a completely different environment, which you get assimilated in the end. And that happens to a lot of young people when they go off to college university. It's just not that they break with a church, they just gently drift away because they assimilate into that group. So So I wanted to see what that looked like. And, you know, he, he struggled, and he did sort of assimilate a bit. But I think it's that sort of question or faith this that he's living it out, and that that really had more of a faith theme to it. So it just depends on what kind of book it is. I mean, at the moment, I'm writing a book, which is going to be a bit of a wacko book, but it's fun. And it's going to be dealing with grief, where she feels that it's always it's like a teenager I really like being a teenage person. So that's quite fun. It's like in the first person so I feel like I'm 17 again minus the energy sadly but she she feels is always strong people who It's never like the annoying or nasty people, it's always the people you really, really like, who seem to die first. And so I want to deal with that. Because again, it's like, you know, who is she blaming? And, you know, is she right in that and you know, she's angry with God for taking the wrong person away. So I want to sort of deal with that, as well as some weird breathing stuff and DNA changes.
Wendy Jones:That sounds exciting, your books are great ecause you always push the nvelope I love it. You've lready alluded to this, but ou've got a vacant buco and asty you're bringing faith into iking books. And I mean, who oesn't love a good Viking roup, by the way, but they onvert to Christianity in it.
Maressa Mortimer:I know. I love Vikings. I grew up with this Viking series. I think the guy was vaguely I think he was Christian ish. He was definitely a church though. And he wrote this Viking series. And it was just amazing. They were the most amazing books ever. They should be translated, but they're not God. And I grew up with them. So I love Viking. So we travel on the ferry a lot. And I thought, one day on the pharaohs, one of our happens if you wake up one of the night fairies, and all you can see on various like, Vikings, and they take off. So I don't know, I was like, it was meant as a short story. But I was like, I can't leave the poor girl sitting on a beach with a bunch of Vikings, I have to do something with her who they will have to happen. So yeah, so I'm over into a story. But of course, the girl was a Christian girl, so she wants to do the right thing. So she tries to be fairly polite and pleasant, and, you know, tries to sort of trust God through it all. But thinking hang on this, you know, am I even? Is it even real? So should I even, you know, be here or trust God? Or is this even for my good? I mean, how can this be for my good, you know, being dragged off by a bunch of Vikings. So struggled with that, and it's just to get back and, and then, you know, she gets heard by one of the Vikings and really, really struggles to forgive him. She is absolutely furious. And even when another good question, offensively, he ought to forgive because you know, that's the right thing to do. And she sort of nods along because it is the right thing to do. But she really doesn't want to forgive him at all. And she eventually does. But then when she looks in the mirror, she's like, No, I haven't really forgiven him because I am actually still really angry because he has really harmed me. So yeah, so that's how Vikings him and face masks because they were time travelling Vikings. She had to, you know, be with them. And they're her way through her experiences.
Wendy Jones:No, excellent. I mean, I think it's a brilliant idea for a book I have to say. I mean, I've been on the ferry, I don't usually think of Vikings. I mean, I'm impressed by your imagination. Really? No, I want to talk about something that was what this interview got why I thought about this interview. You're part of my it's not an anthology, because it's a chapter it's not, you were invited to write for the book. So it's basically a book on creativity, and finding your passion for writing. And you've read a chapter on writing faith based books. Can you tell us a little bit about your experience of the the book and writer being part of the book and writing the chapter.
Maressa Mortimer:I'm so excited about this book. Because it's just a brilliant idea. It's sort of encouraging people, you know, why you should do it. So I was, I was really thrilled by God to me, I felt really, really honoured. So writing the chapter was very exciting, because I think it's, it's a great thing to do for people of all faith. It's just a way to explore what's in your heart, what's in your head, the way you live the way you want to live, or maybe where you feel you ought to live. So I think, you know, people should try it out. Because it always makes for a very good topic to write, you know, because it's set in it's setting your heart in the way isn't it it starts from your heart, and and from who you are from your identity. And, you know, I think as Christians from who you are in God, and from there, you you just give it give it a new outlook on life in a way. So I think it's an exciting thing to do. And I think you know, the whole it's being creative with what you have really isn't that and being creative that your face in a way that you think well what if this happened or what if I saw this or so it's being creative with face matters and with your writing, and it doesn't have to be a massively long novel. It can just be a short story or, or even a poem but just expressing your faith. in written form, I think it's, it's a really exciting thing to do.
Wendy Jones:I agree, which is why I wanted to bring this book together because I wanted people to get passion for different things, but including things like faith based books, you know, because we've all got, we've all got talents, we just need to find them. We've all got writing talents, we just need to find the right niche, the right thing that fires apart passion, which is why I wanted to do the book. And by the way, guys, creativity marches will be out on the first of September. So coming to a bookstore near you very, very soon, as they say. It's been an absolute pleasure chatting to you as always, but and all interviews have to come to an end. My listeners find out more about you and your books.
Maressa Mortimer:The best places on my website, which is a precarious home.com. But I'm also on Facebook, on my name, and Instagram. And from there, there are direct links to my shop. And of course, my books are in all bookshops anywhere you'd like to find them.
Wendy Jones:Absolutely. So Well, thank you very much. Once again, maresa for joining me, it's always a pleasure.
Maressa Mortimer:Absolutely. Now, thank you for the invite on the brilliant idea of creativity matters. I think it's fabulous idea.
Wendy Jones:enjoying it, I'm enjoying it because everybody else is doing the work non joking. Yeah, a real honour to help people on to edit and to publish people. So you know, it's going to be published under Scotland Lawson, which is my publishing company. So thank you for joining that as well. And have a great week.
Maressa Mortimer:Thank you.
Wendy Jones:That brings us to the end of another show. It was really good to have you on the show with me today. I'm Wendy h Jones. And you can find me at Wendy H jones.com. You can also find me on Patreon where you can support me for as little as $3 a month which is less than the price of a tea or coffee. You go to patreon.com forward slash when the H Jones. I'm also went h Jones on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Pinterest. Thank you for joining me today and I hope you found it both useful and interesting. Join me next week when I will have another cracking guest for you. Until then, have a good week and keep writing. Keep reading and keep learning