Autoish Podcast Episode 3 - Mike and Pete talk BMW, Pete's Wagoneer and the worst car ever made

In this episode of the Autoish Podcast Mike talks about one of his votes for the worst car ever made, the Cadillac Cimarron. Pete talks about his love for the Jeep Wagoneer and so much more. Mike picks up where he left off in episode 2 talking about the all-new BMW M3, M4 and his exclusive look at the two cars long before their release.

The Cadillac Cimarron is Mike's first pick for Pete's new segment called "What's aged the worst." Mike renames this segment as "one of the worst cars ever made" and comes out of the gate making fun of this early 80's Cadillad on the J-Platform made popular by the Chevy Cavalier, Oldsmobile Firenza, Buick Skyhawk and the Pontiac J2000. This poorly rebadged GM vehicle was a tragic fail for Cadillac and bears the brunt of Mike's jokes in this episode.

Mike also talks about a visit to the BMW assembly plant back in 2000 when the Spartanburg plant was building the BMW Z3 and the E53 X5 at the time. He recalls watching a new X5 being disassembled for quality purposes.

Pete eludes to upcoming episode 4 where Mike and Pete geek out about audiophile audio gear, tech, and the world of vinyl. Mike is looking forward to this episode where he seems to be ready to bore everyone not interested in audio with his knowledge of two channel, analog audio and the world of turntables and vinyl.

As always, thanks for listening. Please like and subscribe to the Autoish Podcst.

Transcript

spk_0:   0:12
Welcome to the audio.

spk_1:   0:14
Well, yep. Said you're going to do it

spk_0:   0:18
is broadcast on Pete. And that's might

spk_1:   0:21
Yet here I am waiting for Pete this group and say audio ish and I

spk_0:   0:26
got you're a good start for episode. Yeah, I agree. How's everything

spk_1:   0:32
going? Oh, man, everything's awesome. You know, every time we take a break, things just get so much smoother. Same with with the first episode after that break. Anyone who listened Episode one you got to get past, like, 20 minutes, because after that, it gets it's just so much better. And, uh, and this appears to be the same. So nice little break on Episode three. Yes. And feeling good, Loving my new microphone.

spk_0:   1:00
Yeah. Yeah, it suits. It looks good. I like it. We're gonna test out another new new segment. What's aged? The worst.

spk_1:   1:09
Okay, man, I gotta start.

spk_0:   1:11
All right, Just jump right

spk_1:   1:12
in. All right. All right. I gotta sew, and I gotta stick with cars. At least for my What's aged. Worse for me has to ask to be cars, at least this week. Um, and immediately Now there's tons of cars that come to mind. I mean, I could go on for days with the cars that age the worst. Or I would almost say some of the worst cars ever made probably is. That would be the name of the episode I would do, but, um but I think probably my favorite car. And now, well, maybe I'll talk about the Pontiac Aztek some other day. But one of came to my mind first, which is one of them to stick with is the Cadillac Sim Iran and Cinnamon Sim Iran. I don't know if I'm saying that, right, but I believe so. I was around back in when these cars came out so Cadillac. And this is a rough time for American auto man and manufacturing in general. So it's not just cattle act that made really bad cars and early eighties. Even some of the late 70 cars were pretty rough. But when we were having this conversation before we started this podcast, Simmer on came to mind immediately, and this was just a really poor judgment on Cadillacs part. And this is one of those things where I wish and this car came out in 1981 so I wish I was in the board room in 79 or 80. And somebody has this, You know, this presentation on board? Because, you know, back then I'm sure it wasn't on. There wasn't. Ah, you know, slide shows and

spk_0:   2:55
stuff. He's got the phone. Cory. Yeah, he's got that. I got this idea, guys. It's called the cinnamon. It's gonna be our new

spk_1:   3:04
Yeah, here's our ah, our Japanese fighter. It's gonna be good on gas, is gonna have a small four cylinder engine, but it's going to carry the Cadillac name and the guy puts up on the board the kind of picture of the guy. Alexa, I'm wrong. Which It's a Chevy Cavalier, man. I mean, that's the worst part of this whole thing. And Cadillac says, Hey, you know what? We're gonna take this four cylinder Chevy Cavalier, which was on a platform that called the J Platform at the time. So there was there was an Oldsmobile that that was under that platform. I think it might have been the friends, um, you had the Chevy Cavalier, which I think did fairly well for Chevy at the time, I think it was actually an okay car in terms of volume. I don't think it's a great car, but I think it's sold fairly well at the time. But Cadillac introduces this car in 1981 with a 1.8 litre, four cylinder engine and 88 horsepower speed demon. Yet, and it's it's a cavalier and everybody knows it. I mean, that's the worst part.

spk_0:   4:06
So the this this guy who goes in to make this presentation, it's worse than we had an issue initially thought it's not just that he's going into pitch the car, that he misspelled cinnamon. He's actually forgot to do his own work, and he's like, Oh, that conditions. Today we're just going to copy this other car.

spk_1:   4:25
There you go. I hadn't even thought of that. You know, you're right. He just says, Hey, guys, give me the boards from the from when we pitched Cavalier.

spk_0:   4:33
Yeah, and he's got a Sharpie and some white out like,

spk_1:   4:35
Yeah, you puts a skylight badge on the front, he goes, Look, Miran, but it's it's It's tragic. I mean, the car, the car is an absolute travesty. Tiu the kind of like brand to the to the, you know, all of G M's products. In my opinion, I mean just an awful car. They take a cavalier. They put leather interior in it. They put a kind of, like badge on it. They do a two tone paint job, and it still looks like a damn cavalier. It's got better headlights. And just so all of you in the audience know I put it up on our big screen and the in the conference room here. So So Pete's getting a good I IFE full of the simmer on for the first time. So if you haven't done so already, going you're on your phone or on your laptop and typing Cadillac. Simmer on because you're gonna get a chuckle. This thing's a really real

spk_0:   5:33
jam, a picture. The person driving this to be wearing a members only jacket and, oh, yeah, oversized glasses will like the purple tint that, like feeds as it goes down.

spk_1:   5:44
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

spk_0:   5:46
Yeah, that's rough. That's rough

spk_1:   5:51
yet. Well, you know there is a There's a bright spot. It was like 85 86. Somewhere around there, they decide to put the 2.8 leader six owned or in the car and bring it up to, I believe, a whopping 130 horsepower track. Yeah, well, I mean, it's a 50% increase in horsepower talking about a pretty significant improvement. So, I mean, that's Ah, that's a real jump there, but

spk_0:   6:17
I'm gonna imagine eighties American made car reliability issues.

spk_1:   6:21
Awful. Yeah. I mean, absolute junk. Just just yeah, poorly made. And I hate to say this because I'm you know, I'm definitely ah, patriot and, you know, and a car enthusiast in general, I mean, I love all cars if I can, But this car just it pains me to know that then American car company made this

spk_0:   6:42
thing. Well, I mean, for any American made car, the time had a different manufacturing process completely. So believe it. Waas This American life did a look back at the American cars in the manufacturing process. When they did that, they looked at how the assembly line and how it was worked, right? If, as the car was being made going through, if there was a mistake of missing part, what have you They didn't stop rank of union workers. Hourly wages, right? Sure seemed more expensive to stop everything pause the assembly line to fix the problem. Didn't matter. Car went all the way through with the problem. It was labeled. This is the problem with the car, and it brought the end of the assembly line and they tried to go back and fix it. Well, what would happen when I went back to get fixed? You wouldn't get fixed. Sure, these cars will get out on the road. Major major problems and, if they found in the car, was too damaged to not be sold. If you lived in my wife and you're well where they would literally roll the Fords into the round for reservation. Wow. So there was this whole. There's a movie made about, um,

spk_1:   7:52
I got to look that up.

spk_0:   7:53
Yeah, it's it's It gets even crazier than that. We'll leave that for another day, but you know, the the Japanese, and now they're making cars. If there's a problem, the assembly line stops. They fix the problem right there, make sure that doesn't repeat itself, and then they go forward. And over time, as they continue to do that not only did become more fiscally responsible to do it with their vehicles but also they became known for better reliability Allah, Honda and Toyota and so on. So they brought the American executives over to Japan, and they were like, Okay, guys like they're gonna teach you how you should be doing this in the Japanese way. Okay, Yeah, we'll show them That's fine, right? And they kind of prepped them like these are some of the customs. And these are some of the things that you were going to have to do and how to be an et cetera on it didn't go so well and they came back, just couldn't do it the way they were doing it.

spk_1:   8:48
Wow. Well, I've been to, ah, to a number of BMW production facilities. And, um, you know, the manufacturing plant in Munich And the first time I was in the South Carolina plant, which has now become huge, I think I was there in 2000 1st time I was there, um, there was that they were building the x five at the time in the X five came out 99 as a 2000 model in the 4.4 leader. The eights owner came out first. Um, so I'm down there. They're building this X five and they're building. At the time they were building the ex there, the Z three in the X five that those were the only two cards are being manufactured in South Carolina. At the time, the Z three was built probably 80% by hand. And on the other side of the production facility was the X five, which is 80% computer. Like robots, I mean, just almost probably more than 80% robot. At the end of the assembly line for the X five was an X five that was being completely disassembled in torn apart. It was a 100% functional X five that came off the assembly line. That was not a sold car. And they just randomly picked one every single day and they torch a car, The pieces Wow. They separated every weld. They disassembled the whole car looking for any anomalies, any problems in production. And that just floored me. Yeah, I mean, they were They sacrificed a X five every day or once a week or whatever made then I don't know the exact time frame, but the day I was there, they had next finder tearing it apart. And I'm like, You know what happened? No, no known error with the car, No known anything. They're just It's part of their quality was part of production. They were tearing this thing apart. I thought, Wow, that's That's a serious commitment to quality.

spk_0:   10:44
Yeah, that's what I would have never thought that it makes sense that you're saying it. But, I mean, when you think about how quickly a lot of these Japanese cars gain reputation for being reliable vehicles, you know, I mean, that's Do you think about the German reputation? There's there's no doubt about a German made car that mean they're joked about its German like yeah

spk_1:   11:05
way. We have technicians in the shop today and and die hard BMW enthusiast that still drive the E 53 which is the chassis code for that x five of that time for him and most one like the older ones like the 2005. Um, you know, with the three leader that happened to be a really durable engine as well, but they just they drive really well. They're very durable because we see him with 303 150,000 miles on all the time, and they're just really good cars.

spk_0:   11:35
Yeah, well, there's something to be said for that. And I don't feel like vehicles. In general, certain vehicles get get enough credit for their legacy, so that that would be one. The Lexus that we discussed in Episode two is has a little bit of a cult following. Oh, no doubt a good car, you know, I have a Wagoneer, and it's the 2.2. It's an 89. That particular vehicle, it's got 260,000 miles on it. It's going to go for another 100. It's easily, you know, just need very, very well all the way through.

spk_1:   12:07
Yeah, that's Ah, simple car. I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong is probably a 2 58

spk_0:   12:15
Yeah, and you could actually take it apart, like with two tools. You need the entire car. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise. Yeah, it's, uh it's nice that you could do most of the work on it yourself. It's not super complicated. And, you know, my father will jump under. That would be like, this is how you do this on bits. You know, he showed me how to do a quick which is great,

spk_1:   12:37
right? Yeah. We don't do a lot of that with the newer BMW. Three guys go to school for years and years. Yeah, most of the repairs were done on the computer anyway, now, but they're

spk_0:   12:46
these, like, you know, these legacy cars that are just tough as nails that you know, you can always go back to. And they're always just gonna keep on going. I mean, even now, like, no, me older Camrys, do you see? All right.

spk_1:   12:59
Oh, and then there's old. They still they got toe like, a 2 $3000 value, and they just don't go in. And below that, everyone knows, even if it's got 200,000 it's got value. Gonna keep going,

spk_0:   13:10
right? Yeah. So just I have a question. Yes, this particular Cadillac Cinnamon. The hyung's gonna keep Theo s o. I started to find cause I'm watching like Doug Eurovision.

spk_1:   13:25
Sure. Yeah, yeah. He's become really popular.

spk_0:   13:28
He's He talked sometimes about values of cars, rarity of cars. Right. There's the the Nissan Murano that has the soft top, which is just so weird looking. But it

spk_1:   13:39
is that funny car

spk_0:   13:40
Yeah, but it has, like, this unique, very niche following where people like actually seek it out. And I believe in its first year, manufacturing that car only sold 200 nationally, and I believe that number still doesn't exceed 500. So if you do see one on the road, it is a unique thing. But there's always rare. So a car like this this similar on, like, you imagine that there's no absolutely Yeah,

spk_1:   14:06
no, I know where you're going with

spk_0:   14:07
that. Absolutely there. Is there a market there for it? Is there? So

spk_1:   14:10
I don't know if there's a single one on the road at this point. I really I don't know. I don't remember the last time I saw one of these in person, like in motion? Yeah. Yeah. Been a long time. I don't I really don't think it was a durable car to begin with. And, um, there's Ah, there's a car show called Rad. Would that I haven't attended yet, but it's something that I'm really interested in. It is specifically eighties, eighties and nineties cars on Lee. Okay. And the guys that started it, we're just getting tired of going to car shows and seeing 55 Chevys and, you know, hot rods and the same cars they would keep going to the car shit car show after car show. It was a seam. You don't mustangs and Camaros in that stuff. So they start this car show and it has to be an eighties or nineties car. And you know, those really tough times for a lot of manufacturers, not just American cars. There were tough times were very strict emission standards and gas prices were really high. And just a lot of things going on out there that that made cars poorly built, I guess. But they quite frequently, and in the pictures I look at, they'll have like a pristine Cadillac Cimarron or, you know, like a Yugo like original. You go from 84 whenever that car came out. You know that that shouldn't have survived, and somebody just had it in a garage. And it's like this car was 4900 when it was brand new. Yeah, you know, and that's I mean, I'm a lot older than you, so I remember that you go when it was a new car is in the ads of that thing under $5000 brand new and just have badly made. That

spk_0:   16:00
thing was It s so we're talking about some bad cards. Let's change it up. Let's talk about some four cars, Okay? We teased a little bit. Episode two That's a new BMW product. You were lucky enough to get a preview of it. Top secret. They locked her down. They patted you down.

spk_1:   16:21
Yeah, that was crazy. I've been to a lot of BMW events. I've never had to go through security screening. Like I was at the airport on get wanded down to make sure wasn't hiding anything. And I did find out later I was talking to after the event, was talking to one of the guys and security. And, um, he said it one of the events. One of the attendees had, ah, an inhaler. And, you know, he went through the security thing, and they're like, Oh, and it set the alarm off, and he's like, Oh, no, this is my asthma inhaler. And I had a camera in it, and they, you know, they you know, somebody was onto their, like, why is this guy you know, escorting his inhaler? towards the car and, you know, they pull him aside and they find out that it's this little micro camera with a you know, micro SD slot, and it's got a little car. So they confiscate the card and, you know, send him on his way. But this he was trying to get some pictures of, ah, early production BMW. Um, so they take it very seriously. And once I got in the room, I realized why, um, I got to see the new M three in the new M four, which are, you know, probably at this point being end of January 2020 probably close to a year away. So

spk_0:   17:41
close to concept, are they versus, actually,

spk_1:   17:45
Yeah, that's Ah, that's really good question, because there's a lot of renderings out there on the on the Web. And if you type in 2021 BMW M three or four, you're going to see a ton of pictures out there. Um, the majority of those pictures are not even close, and it's laughable. Like I want to get on some of these forms and be like you have no idea what the car does not look like this. I have seen this thing, but I did find one that was truly a spy shot that somebody had taken. The car is on an assembly line and it's shot flick through a doorway and with data, and it's the yet with an inhaler, and it's it is the grills of the the new N three. And that is the point that's got everybody fired up right now. The grill's Yeah, the grill's change really dramatically.

spk_0:   18:35
Well, that's gonna hold up. We're gonna have some people real upset with a change to the ground. No question. When the X seven grill came out enlarged, we have people up in arms, so

spk_1:   18:49
yeah, yeah, a lot of people did not warm up to it. Not initially. I think that's kind

spk_0:   18:53
of changed. Yeah. I mean, I actually like it. I look at the old saying about the new style way cooler, but I mean,

spk_1:   19:00
yeah, you know, when you have ah Maur evolutionary kind of change in a body style on dhe. That's kind of what BMW's more known for. It doesn't make a lot of noise. You know, a lot of the and it's I think it's typically German. They're just these changes a revolutionary, and they're just kind of Oh, it's definitely BMW. It's identifiable is a BMW when they make these more revolutionary changes in body style, and I'll point back to the 2000 to 7 series of 7 45 Everybody hated that car had the bank will. But it's this. It's that it's, you know, and I didn't warm up to that car that much either. But But this when the X seven came out and everyone said and or even the seven series, for that matter, what came out with a big girl? Oh, you know, eventually the whole front is gonna be a grail and what are they doing? But for me, and I think everyone that kind of warmed up to it, which everyone will. It immediately made the previous body style look old. Yeah, like instantaneously overnight. That previous body sound was old looking to May and and I think that's part of what BMW's going for. We're looking to still look, units stand out a little bit

spk_0:   20:10
more. I just not to direct, but I noticed certain manufacturers in their next evolution they're going with the sharper lines kind of more cut, in some cases making the cars look a little leaner. Someone a little flatter, you know, is, are we going in that direction? Are we going more towards something that's uniquely BMW, which being very tends to do? And I like that when they do these evolutionary revolutionary changes, it's always distinctly BMW. It's not that they're not following a trend, but they make it their own. I would appreciate that. Can tell us a little,

spk_1:   20:49
Yeah, I think you know, for me When I first saw the M three and and and I was talking to a couple of people who'd seen it before me that some people got to see it. Any dealer that that's an M certified dealer got to see the car of the day before I did, Um, and I was talking to him and that night before I got to see the car. And so what do you think? And you know, what can I expect? And they all said the same thing, Dale said. It's very different, but it's very cool and you're gonna like it and it's it's powerful looking, and, um, you know, they finally did it and and, you know, for me who I'm really enthusiast and you know me, I like my mighty 46. I mean, that's you know, to me, that's an M three. Um, and that's just my my taste and every every m three. After the 46 m three, it was a little heavier and a little bigger and a little. And, you know, these guys are saying I went, Wait till you see this car. It's sharp. It's that card back again. It's It's hot. It's, you know, it looks smaller and more nimble and all these things that we expect an M three to bay. Um, but from a design standpoint, the grills have become vertical instead of the traditional horizontal, Um, the pictures that you're seeing online currently, or these big, almost squared off grills. And it's the whole front of the car that's not the cardinal. And that, actually is the grill layout of the eye for which I got to see also, um, in the I four is gonna be an all electric four. Siri's basically, and it's BMWs. Answer to Tesla. It's It's a really Tesla competitors. The ah, the range is going to be 330 miles. It is a purely electric car. And it is a really good looking car, which, which is what we need, cause the eye three was a little quirky and definitely cater to a very specific customer. Was boxy. Yeah, boxes being kind. Yeah, we'll go with boxing. Um, it was definitely a unique are the eye three. But the eye four looks like a car. Looks like a BMW. Very futuristic. Um, and we'll have the performance of a BMW in the range to compete with the tassels. So, looking forward to that, that car later this year actually pretty close. Okay? Yeah. So, um, the eye next I saw the eye. Next, it is a very futuristic looking They called in an SUV. Looks to me like a oversized wagon. Almost. Okay, but it is the height of an SUV electric also, and four passenger or five passenger, um, with decent cargo area. But the only way I could describe it And there are some pictures online of that actual cars. I mean, it's the real thing. Um, there There's plenty of pictures out there. They let me take pictures of that, so I do have pictures of that car. Um, that car has some interesting technology. They're talking about level for autonomous being available in this, which will be the first level for car out there, at least for being W. Um and I don't think any other manufacturer has a level four on the road. Currently, there's some level threes out there, but, uh, this thing's gonna be pretty pretty amazing. The rear seats, arm or lounge like and I think the, you know, the future car usage there thinking people are just gonna be kind of chauffeured around, they're gonna be lounges and okay, the controls. You can control the car from the vaccine as well. Um, and the controls air in This is hard to visualize, but it's in the fabric of the seat, and they have the technology today. They're actually showing so that you can basically control the I drive. You know, tactile, if through the fabric. And the seat's actually it has peed back or sensors in the I'd almost call it carpet. Looks like shag carpet in the back seats. Very carpet looking very comfortable. Very lounge e. Very cool. Modern.

spk_0:   24:57
You said lounge E. I visualized. You're getting into a car where, like, the doors open and was like French doors and like you're kind of in like Are you even still facing forward at this one?

spk_1:   25:10
You are, and it it, but it it does look like the type of car where now the passenger seat looks to me like it's bins around like you could spend around face people in the back, be chilling with you know, your pals in the back seat and, you know, you could be lounging out. I mean, if it's level for that means you basically get in a car. And today I'm going here and then, you know, interesting bringing with me. They're

spk_0:   25:31
like the autonomous side of it, right where the car can drive itself. And then you have all these other people on the road who don't have that technology at who are driving manually and how those things interact because, well, what? He doesn't take you long to realize how people texting wonder driving and so what

spk_1:   25:48
we're hearing and what the industry's talking about right now is that the humans driving will be far less safe. And it's true. Yeah, yeah. Then then the autonomous cars and, you know, autonomy is not there yet. Um, I think right now some of the real challenges, especially here in the northeast of snow. So And you know, that's those are the types of things. They're working on it. If it snows, you can't see the lines on the road. You have nothing.

spk_0:   26:16
That's the missing component. The music important is the road itself, Right? Correct. You have a smart card and the same asshole that we're driving on. I know that they've done different countries have done different test with different products. Where the road is allowing for feedback like that has to be a component in there. At some point where the road is gonna be able to give that back to the car and the roads, we will take care of itself. And they want to say it was Greenland. I could be wrong, but they tested out this road with these hexagon plates. Yeah, I've seen you and photos were phenomenal. They did on a mile strip one of the cooler things. There are two very interesting things about that. There was a deer on the road or an animal. It would alert you to it in advance. Yeah, and light that up. So that's

spk_1:   27:01
yeah. And they could change the lanes. Yes, like that because the lanes air just displayed on the tiles.

spk_0:   27:08
And then the other thing Waas I think solar wasn't. Yes, it would melt snow. Yeah, it was really a genius idea.

spk_1:   27:16
Why doesn't everybody have this? It's probably a $1,000,000 a square foot.

spk_0:   27:20
Must be something crazy. But in ice and snow, because it was so itself heated. Yeah. So you wouldn't have ice spots at all, which was phenomenal. And yet with solar and actually change. I don't know if they tested this part or if it was just theoretical to the product, but it would change where wiring electrical wires were. They would no longer be above ground. They'd actually move them to below ground because they would run, that they would pull a trick city off the solar grand, which was the road. Sure. So all that time, when people aren't on the road or aren't covering that space, it's it's just pulling in all that energy and then putting it back out to the grid. And, you know, I

spk_1:   28:03
don't remember where I saw that, but I did see

spk_0:   28:04
that it was some kind of a solar scientist who was, like, retired, developed. I don't go, but

spk_1:   28:13
don't quote me on anything.

spk_0:   28:14
Yeah, yeah. It's good to know at this point that our podcast is really meant to be a fun opportunity. Thio here. Two guys talking about some cool stuff on interact on a very casual level. Very casual. We're talking about news, not citing sources melt politics, religion. Just a good opportunity. Kind of hang talk. This is a cool stuff that we heard that we're interested in. Yeah, And then, by all means, in the comments section, let us know what you're interested in. Give us your feedback. And, you know, I want to hear more about the interior on that, you know, And three like,

spk_1:   28:53
Yeah, the the M three. Now that you mention interior three. That I saw it. Yeah, um, was a really interesting combo in terms of colors, and I hope they don't allow this in production, but it was Ah, it was a lighter yellow exterior. Um, I'd liken it to BMW's to car yellow from years ago on an M three and the 36 m three. Um and the interior was a light blue, and I would call a cross between a powder blue and a robin's egg sort of blue. Yeah, Um, very interesting. Now I could see the blue interior on a white car on a black car. Possibly, Um, not much else, but on a yellow car. It was rough. Yeah. I mean, I think they were just trying to Hey, these are some of the possibilities. So, you know, regardless of how ugly this looks together, let's show them what what the yellow is gonna look like. Let's show him what the blue is gonna look like on one car. But you know some of the cool stuff because I have a lot of people asking me, Will it come out? Emmanuel? Well, the car's always manual, so I'm gonna say yes. And and I've been told yes. I've also been told that it will be. It will be oh, all wheel drive or two wheel drive and the manual Trans will only be available in the two will drive, which is kind of common, and then that we could expect. But there was some talk that there would not be it a manual transmission, because that's kind of the way of all manufacturers today. Everyone seems to be leaving the main on transmission behind, um, and will it be all wheel drive? And the answer is yes. To both, but just not together.

spk_0:   30:33
You know, a lot of the concept cars. They do these weird color combos. When Genesis came out with the mint, which is this, like, little mini micro machine thing? That doesn't sound good. Good. Um, but it was like they use this, like mint ice cream color and this white interior and you know, Okay, it's something. But do

spk_1:   31:02
you think of it wasn't a genesis. It would have worked.

spk_0:   31:06
No. I think the philosophy was flawed. So the flaws behind the car was that it was a commuter car for the city and stuff. So you can zip around the city, get around real quick. Okay. Okay. So there's that's flawed on a few different reasons. City traffic. I don't wanna be the small scar. Yeah, I get literally run over by the top. I'm not interested. Yeah, you know, you need something a little bit more powerful. It seems thin. Um I can't imagine that unless there was made of pillows inside that it was gonna be all that safe. It was a concept car. It was the idea of kind of like stretching the definition of commuter cars and kind of showing off a lot of interesting design elements. And steering wheel was really weird and unique. The tech. And they had all the gesture control stuff. And I think they were trying to show what the brand d'oh. Um, all

spk_1:   31:59
right, Yeah. I mean, you you gotta kind of expose people to what you're capable of, I guess.

spk_0:   32:04
But that in a prototype, right? But that after that, it was I really just hope nothing like that comes to market. Yeah, that's

spk_1:   32:15
that's not a resounding excited impression of the car, but on the

spk_0:   32:20
flip side, their DVD looks awesome. I mean, it actually does look like a really cool car. It's the design elements there are safe with a little bit off layer. That's that's, um, interesting headlights they haven't seen us designed. The grill is huge. I mean, the grill is

spk_1:   32:39
that that's a trend. And I mean, you know, not to talk about BMWs. Girls again but that seems to be a really common theme. And then look at Look at Lexus. I mean, it's nothing but grilled.

spk_0:   32:48
Oh, I know

spk_1:   32:48
how these girls have gotten really large as well.

spk_0:   32:50
Yeah, well, you mentioned like the evolution Revolution side of Things. And Alexis is a really good example of a brand that's gone through a complete revolution in their cars and how quickly their cars now look dated. And I like

spk_1:   33:02
that. That's absolutely true, but their their lineup is is kind of stale. It really is theirs. I I can't even name Ah, Hot Alexis right now, and I'm sure there is one. But I just There's nothing that stood out to me where I'm like, Wow, that's that's a real competitors to the BMW, right? There's just nothing there.

spk_0:   33:20
Yeah, and I know that Same with infinity. No. Well, Chief Infinity, that brand puts itself out of business with how quickly they redesigned the exteriors of their cars. And I mean, I'm not tryingto say anything. Super it, but

spk_1:   33:37
no, I mean, I think they make a great car. They always have. I just think that there's nothing exciting in the lineup and not to me anyway. I mean, nothing jumps out and like, Wow, that's Oh, we better look out that that car's coming. Yeah, I think I've seen you in awhile.

spk_0:   33:54
If you're looking in the infinity, you want some specific luxury elements and you can go to Wood Infiniti dealership at certain times of the year and certain times of the month and really get a crazy deal because they gotta move, move a car. Yeah,

spk_1:   34:10
that's that's where the only thing that keeps him going is that they'll have these lease programs that are just killer, loose, programmed, super low payments, you know, But those cars to me when I drive them, they don't have a soul. No, they they do a job. It's It's ah, on all around utility sort of a job. They're decent looking enough. The payments are very attractive, but the car doesn't have a soul. There's nothing exciting about it. There's no visceral experience driving an infinite for me anyway. I mean, lots of people love him, and that's totally cool. Yeah, I'm fine with that. It's just, you know, I like a car. It does a different job.

spk_0:   34:48
Angry. Yeah, I completely agree. As somebody who drove some Solis vehicles. My favor, 12 to me that we had the most soul is is the Jeep Wagoneer. I mean, that's one that I think it got sold over time, right? That's one it when we talk about some things that next time we do what age? The best of what age the worst will talk a little bit about Jeeps and absolutely, you know, that's that's one car.

spk_1:   35:12
A little known fact. I've owned a couple of games. All right, we'll talk teams. That's why I knew it had a 2 58 And I know these things

spk_0:   35:19
were getting some good stuff. So, you know, cars that over time develop missile, which is phenomenal. Let's take maybe one or two minutes because we're a little time. I do want to make just a tease. Episode four Cool. Um, this I'm excited for, So

spk_1:   35:37
lay it on me. What is it?

spk_0:   35:38
So all the tech that goes behind audio on you? Everything was probably

spk_1:   35:46
Oh, man. You know that's the episode. Wrong. I was gonna lose my mind.

spk_0:   35:49
Yeah, because, you know, it's like being a wine connoisseur. You know, it's it's tasting all the different bourbons that are on the table and knowing all the different notes.

spk_1:   35:58
Yeah, we have to do a bourbon episode at some point. We

spk_0:   36:01
do, Yes, we D'oh, we'll have to

spk_1:   36:02
find a venue for that. Yeah, we'll definitely

spk_0:   36:04
do that, but, you know, kind of taking it one step further into the audio around talking about some of the finer details of what makes truly high resolution.

spk_1:   36:14
Yeah, well, last week we didn't record in episode, but we had a chance to sit in my car and just, you know, kind of listened to what title sounds like through apple carplay, which is, uh, you know, I found out sounded so much better, and I was trying to figure out why. And I was telling Pete the story last week. Um, it sounded so much better than streaming blue two's into the car. And I later found out that apple carplay in the BMW is using WiFi, and the bandwidth is significantly higher. There's, you know, less compression, if any at all. Um, entitle high rez, high res files of master files. We're coming through in the car exceptionally well, and it sounded really good.

spk_0:   36:57
Yeah, I mean we were listening Thio J. Cole And it was the other musician

spk_1:   37:02
we listened to. Ah, Celeste. That's right. And, um, let's see,

spk_0:   37:08
there was one other.

spk_1:   37:10
There's one of the rap tune, I think.

spk_0:   37:11
Yeah, And what at the end of the day, you know, you're really hearing some of the finer details of these songs that, Yeah,

spk_1:   37:20
I think your explanation was spot on, and I don't think I could have said it any better. And what you said while we're sitting in the car was, And the next time we do something like this, we should mike it because, you know, it was in the moment. But, um, you kind of likened it to a bouquet of flowers,

spk_0:   37:36
right? Right. And yeah, what's that? It's the It's the difference between going to shop, right, getting a bouquet of flowers. It's still arranged that it's nice and your wife is gonna like

spk_1:   37:47
It's still a bouquet of flowers,

spk_0:   37:48
right? Still nice. Smells good, and then going to a florist and having something professionally arranged and it's full, and it's got the baby's breath and it's got a nice vase and it's been watered, and it comes with a little vitamin packet and it lasts a little longer. That's kind of difference between listening to something maybe on a CD on a consent T maybe radio to listening something in high resolution through title.

spk_1:   38:11
Yeah. And, you know, as we're sitting in the car and I think I mentioned this to you at that time. Um, it's the one thing that I think a lot of people neglect. And that's the source. Yeah, a lot of people think, Oh, it's It's the It's the speakers. And sure it is. And it's the It's the amplifiers. The equipment. Yeah, it is. I mean, all those things. You want to get into that? Oh, man, I could go on about bio behind for days. Yeah, And one day I'll have to have the overall.

spk_0:   38:38
Yeah, Spencer Records. All right, cool. I'll bring mine over. Yeah, I got a few. Thank you for listening to the I

spk_1:   38:45
hate to end this, man. I know. You know, I feel like, Yeah, I feel like I'm getting in the groove, you

spk_0:   38:50
know, fortunately, thanks. Listening to the audio ish podcast

spk_1:   38:54
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