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We literally"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":369.51,"endTime":372.78,"body":"cannot and should not think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":369.51,"endTime":372.78,"body":"about the world religions model"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":372.81,"endTime":378.18,"body":"apart from the world in which it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":372.81,"endTime":378.18,"body":"was created, sometimes by the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":378.18,"endTime":382.56,"body":"very authors of other"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":378.18,"endTime":382.56,"body":"problematic racist stuff!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":382.89,"endTime":386.61,"body":"Yeah, no, I don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":382.89,"endTime":386.61,"body":"think we can overstate that some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":386.61,"endTime":389.07,"body":"of the scholars, bureaucrats,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":386.61,"endTime":389.07,"body":"philosophers, economists,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":389.07,"endTime":393.24,"body":"policymakers, and alleged"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":389.07,"endTime":393.24,"body":"scientists were sometimes one"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":393.24,"endTime":396.87,"body":"and the same, or besties, or, in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":393.24,"endTime":396.87,"body":"one part of their lives the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":396.87,"endTime":399.39,"body":"scholar and another part a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":396.87,"endTime":399.39,"body":"Parliamentarian, or an expert"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":399.39,"endTime":402.0,"body":"witness, or part of the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":399.39,"endTime":402.0,"body":"colonizing army. Those"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":402.0,"endTime":405.63,"body":"boundaries are not so rigid, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":402.0,"endTime":405.63,"body":"the racism is everywhere."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":405.9,"endTime":408.12,"body":"A"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":405.9,"endTime":408.12,"body":"million kajillion percent. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":408.12,"endTime":410.64,"body":"let's talk specifically about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":408.12,"endTime":410.64,"body":"the world religions model piece"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":410.64,"endTime":411.3,"body":"of this."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":411.36,"endTime":411.69,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":412.17,"endTime":415.44,"body":"Goodwin,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":412.17,"endTime":415.44,"body":"Dr. Rashid said last time that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":415.44,"endTime":418.29,"body":"the world religions paradigm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":415.44,"endTime":418.29,"body":"divided the world into East and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":418.29,"endTime":421.62,"body":"West, and then Dr. Petersen"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":418.29,"endTime":421.62,"body":"added onto that, and both of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":421.62,"endTime":425.58,"body":"them ended up saying that this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":421.62,"endTime":425.58,"body":"makes Islam really confusing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":426.42,"endTime":429.57,"body":"when you're working within this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":426.42,"endTime":429.57,"body":"system Because it's an Abrahamic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":429.57,"endTime":433.29,"body":"religion, it comes literally"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":429.57,"endTime":433.29,"body":"from the same Arab, Middle"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":433.29,"endTime":437.13,"body":"Eastern lands that Judaism and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":433.29,"endTime":437.13,"body":"Christianity come from. So,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":437.16,"endTime":440.31,"body":"naturally, if those religions"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":437.16,"endTime":440.31,"body":"from the Middle East are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":440.31,"endTime":444.39,"body":"Western, then non-Western"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":440.31,"endTime":444.39,"body":"religions from the real east,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":444.42,"endTime":449.46,"body":"like Asia, are Eastern. Except"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":444.42,"endTime":449.46,"body":"that Islam is big in the East."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":449.52,"endTime":454.71,"body":"So already, Islam being Eastern"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":449.52,"endTime":454.71,"body":"is factual and missing from the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":454.71,"endTime":455.4,"body":"paradigm."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":457.08,"endTime":459.9,"body":"Yeah, okay. Wait."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":457.08,"endTime":459.9,"body":"You're not wrong, obviously. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":459.9,"endTime":462.87,"body":"also, I know from prior episodes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":459.9,"endTime":462.87,"body":"that you are big mad about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":462.87,"endTime":466.2,"body":"Orientalism-- the bias against"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":462.87,"endTime":466.2,"body":"the so-called East which"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":466.35,"endTime":471.6,"body":"definitely includes bias against"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":466.35,"endTime":471.6,"body":"Islam. So, what is... what is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":471.6,"endTime":472.35,"body":"happening here?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":472.44,"endTime":473.22,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":472.44,"endTime":473.22,"body":"exactly."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":473.64,"endTime":476.07,"body":"What? No, that's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":473.64,"endTime":476.07,"body":"not helpful. What... what is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":476.07,"endTime":476.97,"body":"happening?!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":477.66,"endTime":480.24,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":477.66,"endTime":480.24,"body":"Okay. Because the world"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":480.24,"endTime":483.18,"body":"religions paradigm, which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":480.24,"endTime":483.18,"body":"assumes East and West, because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":483.21,"endTime":486.18,"body":"18th and 19th century"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":483.21,"endTime":486.18,"body":"religio-racism, it doesn't make"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":486.18,"endTime":488.16,"body":"sense. So of course I didn't say"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":486.18,"endTime":488.16,"body":"anything helpful!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":488.16,"endTime":488.19,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":490.17,"endTime":492.45,"body":"It is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":490.17,"endTime":492.45,"body":"fluid. The system itself is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":492.45,"endTime":496.95,"body":"fluid to suit the needs of white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":492.45,"endTime":496.95,"body":"Christian supremacy, full stop."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":497.4,"endTime":500.73,"body":"Islam is Eastern when it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":497.4,"endTime":500.73,"body":"convenient-- when Islam is a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":500.73,"endTime":503.34,"body":"threat to Christianity, when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":500.73,"endTime":503.34,"body":"Islam needs to be made"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":503.34,"endTime":508.05,"body":"fundamentally other and exotic,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":503.34,"endTime":508.05,"body":"incompatible with Western ideas"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":508.05,"endTime":511.56,"body":"and norms. It is Western,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":508.05,"endTime":511.56,"body":"though, when we want to claim"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":511.56,"endTime":514.83,"body":"multiculturalism, everyone's in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":511.56,"endTime":514.83,"body":"the same boat, the nearness of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":514.83,"endTime":519.33,"body":"Islam is a way to prove its"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":514.83,"endTime":519.33,"body":"wrongness. Close! So close! But,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":519.36,"endTime":521.91,"body":"no cigar! But Megan?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":522.21,"endTime":522.96,"body":"Yes, IRMF?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":524.22,"endTime":526.77,"body":"Where"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":524.22,"endTime":526.77,"body":"is Africa-- the whole ass"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":526.8,"endTime":528.78,"body":"continent-- in any of this?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":530.1,"endTime":533.85,"body":"Okay, let me"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":530.1,"endTime":533.85,"body":"think. I-- well, it's not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":533.88,"endTime":541.98,"body":"East... but it's not West? But,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":533.88,"endTime":541.98,"body":"I don't know. I... I assume some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":541.98,"endTime":544.74,"body":"of Northern Africa-- like, the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":541.98,"endTime":544.74,"body":"brown, Arabic speaking, maybe"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":544.74,"endTime":548.4,"body":"Arab parts of northern Africa--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":544.74,"endTime":548.4,"body":"get classified as East, because"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":548.4,"endTime":551.85,"body":"they fit a model of Islamic or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":548.4,"endTime":551.85,"body":"how we think about Islamic?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":553.83,"endTime":555.81,"body":"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":553.83,"endTime":555.81,"body":"fair. Even though that makes me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":555.81,"endTime":559.71,"body":"livid (and I know that you're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":555.81,"endTime":559.71,"body":"saying this because we are doing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":559.71,"endTime":560.31,"body":"a bit here)--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":560.34,"endTime":560.64,"body":"Yes!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":560.64,"endTime":562.38,"body":"But,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":560.64,"endTime":562.38,"body":"obviously this makes me livid,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":562.38,"endTime":566.4,"body":"because Morocco is definitely"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":562.38,"endTime":566.4,"body":"west of like, HALF of Western"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":566.4,"endTime":566.91,"body":"Europe??"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":567.06,"endTime":569.49,"body":"Yeah. It's very"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":567.06,"endTime":569.49,"body":"West. Like... *laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":569.73,"endTime":571.65,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":569.73,"endTime":571.65,"body":"what about Africa, though? You"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":571.65,"endTime":574.26,"body":"sort of rationalized the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":571.65,"endTime":574.26,"body":"question, and we are making a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":574.26,"endTime":576.69,"body":"joke about it. So neither of us"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":574.26,"endTime":576.69,"body":"are really answering it, but--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":576.72,"endTime":578.76,"body":"so let's-- let's come back to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":576.72,"endTime":578.76,"body":"this question! What about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":578.76,"endTime":579.45,"body":"Africa?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":580.38,"endTime":583.38,"body":"Yeah, okay. So,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":580.38,"endTime":583.38,"body":"the part where Africa gets left"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":583.38,"endTime":586.65,"body":"out is perhaps your literal"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":583.38,"endTime":586.65,"body":"point here, you tricky, tricky"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":586.65,"endTime":587.1,"body":"bitch."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":587.22,"endTime":590.16,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":587.22,"endTime":590.16,"body":"basically. Africa, the whole ass"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":590.16,"endTime":594.69,"body":"continent, is either divided up"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":590.16,"endTime":594.69,"body":"using racially motivated and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":594.69,"endTime":599.85,"body":"fucking suspect assumptions into"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":594.69,"endTime":599.85,"body":"areas like \"northern Africa,\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":600.12,"endTime":605.85,"body":"\"brown Africa,\" and \"subSaharan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":600.12,"endTime":605.85,"body":"Africa,\" which is, again, code"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":605.85,"endTime":612.3,"body":"for where we expect to find"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":605.85,"endTime":612.3,"body":"\"brown\" versus \"Black\" skin."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":612.42,"endTime":614.97,"body":"Which, so you hear me say it,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":612.42,"endTime":614.97,"body":"isn't even in the LEAST"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":614.97,"endTime":615.48,"body":"accurate."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":615.72,"endTime":616.35,"body":"Yeah, no. That's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":615.72,"endTime":616.35,"body":"wrong."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":616.47,"endTime":618.15,"body":"It is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":616.47,"endTime":618.15,"body":"actually grotesquely assumptive"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.15,"endTime":621.0,"body":"and, again, built within racist"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.15,"endTime":621.0,"body":"paradigms."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":621.03,"endTime":621.45,"body":"Woof."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":621.66,"endTime":625.32,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":621.66,"endTime":625.32,"body":"Africa as its own thing does not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":625.35,"endTime":629.94,"body":"exist in the world religions"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":625.35,"endTime":629.94,"body":"model. Islam exists as this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":629.94,"endTime":633.66,"body":"nebulous thing that can't really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":629.94,"endTime":633.66,"body":"fit into east and west-- again,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":634.11,"endTime":637.65,"body":"remember, west almost"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":634.11,"endTime":637.65,"body":"exclusively means white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":637.65,"endTime":640.23,"body":"Christians. (And we're gonna get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":637.65,"endTime":640.23,"body":"to how Judaism was written OUT"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":640.26,"endTime":643.11,"body":"of westerners in the Making Mel"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":640.26,"endTime":643.11,"body":"Brooks Proud Judaism episode."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":643.14,"endTime":648.06,"body":"Hold on to your butts.) Africa"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":643.14,"endTime":648.06,"body":"is missing in the model. So, if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":648.06,"endTime":650.94,"body":"that's true, if Africa is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":648.06,"endTime":650.94,"body":"missing in the model, then Islam"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":650.94,"endTime":654.27,"body":"can't be African in the model."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":650.94,"endTime":654.27,"body":"And, huh! Fuck, do we have a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":654.27,"endTime":654.84,"body":"problem!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":654.87,"endTime":656.52,"body":"Yeah, that's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":654.87,"endTime":656.52,"body":"big problem. That's a really big"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":656.52,"endTime":660.0,"body":"problem! Because even *I* know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":656.52,"endTime":660.0,"body":"that Islam is the second largest"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":660.0,"endTime":662.52,"body":"religion in Africa, and that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":660.0,"endTime":662.52,"body":"there are thriving,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":662.52,"endTime":665.94,"body":"millennia-old Muslim communities"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":662.52,"endTime":665.94,"body":"in places like Senegal, Mali,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":665.97,"endTime":669.39,"body":"Nigeria in western Africa, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":665.97,"endTime":669.39,"body":"Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Malawi"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":669.39,"endTime":672.39,"body":"in eastern Africa-- there's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":669.39,"endTime":672.39,"body":"lot of Islam in Africa! What the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":672.39,"endTime":672.69,"body":"hell!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":672.69,"endTime":674.07,"body":"Like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":672.69,"endTime":674.07,"body":"so much. Like, SO much."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":674.19,"endTime":678.9,"body":"Okay. So, I hear"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":674.19,"endTime":678.9,"body":"you say, as always, the world"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":678.9,"endTime":683.79,"body":"religions paradigm is a problem,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":678.9,"endTime":683.79,"body":"here because it does not even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":683.79,"endTime":687.21,"body":"THINK about Africa! It's just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":683.79,"endTime":687.21,"body":"dropped out a whole ass giant"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":687.21,"endTime":691.2,"body":"continent. And it treats Islam--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":687.21,"endTime":691.2,"body":"the world religions paradigm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":691.2,"endTime":695.91,"body":"treats Islam in a bizarre way."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":691.2,"endTime":695.91,"body":"So even though Black Africans"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":695.91,"endTime":699.87,"body":"have also been Muslims for a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":695.91,"endTime":699.87,"body":"lo-- such a long time!-- Black"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":699.87,"endTime":703.26,"body":"African Islam is often ignored"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":699.87,"endTime":703.26,"body":"within the framework through"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":703.26,"endTime":706.26,"body":"which we-- like, scholars, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":703.26,"endTime":706.26,"body":"also media and policymakers--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":707.28,"endTime":711.84,"body":"it's how we understand religion."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":707.28,"endTime":711.84,"body":"Africa, just like-- Africa and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":711.84,"endTime":714.72,"body":"African Islam just drop out of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":711.84,"endTime":714.72,"body":"how we're thinking about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":714.72,"endTime":715.68,"body":"religion in the world."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":716.01,"endTime":718.83,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":716.01,"endTime":718.83,"body":"exactly what I'm saying. 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But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1046.549,"endTime":1050.419,"body":"beyond that, scholars and data"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1046.549,"endTime":1050.419,"body":"suggest that something like 95%"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1050.809,"endTime":1053.209,"body":"of Muslims are part of Sufi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1050.809,"endTime":1053.209,"body":"orders."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1053.21,"endTime":1053.3,"body":"Oh wow!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1053.33,"endTime":1055.82,"body":"So--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1053.33,"endTime":1055.82,"body":"which is to say that they are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1055.82,"endTime":1059.54,"body":"Muslims who also belong to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1055.82,"endTime":1059.54,"body":"collectives that study, pray,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1059.54,"endTime":1062.72,"body":"sing, gather together, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1059.54,"endTime":1062.72,"body":"usually subscribe to what a lot"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1062.72,"endTime":1067.43,"body":"of folks call \"mystical\" Islam."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1062.72,"endTime":1067.43,"body":"And I said mystical in that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1067.43,"endTime":1071.87,"body":"silly way because I-- like, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1067.43,"endTime":1071.87,"body":"word makes me itchy. I would-- I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1071.87,"endTime":1076.07,"body":"would maybe suggest Sufi Islam"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1071.87,"endTime":1076.07,"body":"is something like that, and it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1076.07,"endTime":1078.92,"body":"also is something that stresses"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1076.07,"endTime":1078.92,"body":"a personal transcendent"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1079.1,"endTime":1083.09,"body":"relationship with God within a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1079.1,"endTime":1083.09,"body":"community. (Hashtag it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1083.09,"endTime":1085.85,"body":"complicated.) But I get itchy"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1083.09,"endTime":1085.85,"body":"about the word mystic because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1085.85,"endTime":1088.97,"body":"it's either sounds insane--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1085.85,"endTime":1088.97,"body":"like, like literally, it sounds"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1088.97,"endTime":1092.21,"body":"like what people used to be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1088.97,"endTime":1092.21,"body":"incarcerated in mental"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1092.21,"endTime":1095.66,"body":"institutions for, particularly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1092.21,"endTime":1095.66,"body":"when they were racialized"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1095.69,"endTime":1101.96,"body":"others-- or mystic sounds like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1095.69,"endTime":1101.96,"body":"what Omid likes to call \"Islam"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1101.96,"endTime":1105.26,"body":"lite,\" or \"diet Islam,\" which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1101.96,"endTime":1105.26,"body":"isn't the case either."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1105.38,"endTime":1107.66,"body":"Right. Or it gets"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1105.38,"endTime":1107.66,"body":"removed from Islam altogether,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1107.66,"endTime":1110.66,"body":"like we saw when he talked about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1107.66,"endTime":1110.66,"body":"Rumi, right? People, white"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1110.66,"endTime":1114.95,"body":"ladies and bookclubs loooooove"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1110.66,"endTime":1114.95,"body":"them some Rumi. They are often"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1114.95,"endTime":1119.6,"body":"very surprised to find out that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1114.95,"endTime":1119.6,"body":"Rumi was Muslim! Anyway."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1120.08,"endTime":1121.64,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1120.08,"endTime":1121.64,"body":"Yeah. So, suffice it to say that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1121.64,"endTime":1125.54,"body":"Sufi traditions, which are found"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1121.64,"endTime":1125.54,"body":"in both Sunni and Shi'i Islam,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1125.75,"endTime":1130.37,"body":"take love, connection, peeling"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1125.75,"endTime":1130.37,"body":"back the veil of this existence"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1130.4,"endTime":1135.92,"body":"to a brighter reality really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1130.4,"endTime":1135.92,"body":"seriously, on top of the other,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1135.92,"endTime":1139.82,"body":"like, so called \"regular\" Muslim"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1135.92,"endTime":1139.82,"body":"things that Muslims do, like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1139.85,"endTime":1143.75,"body":"prayer, or fasting during"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1139.85,"endTime":1143.75,"body":"Ramadan, or charity work."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1143.81,"endTime":1146.72,"body":"Yeah. Okay. So,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1143.81,"endTime":1146.72,"body":"what does Senegalese Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1146.72,"endTime":1149.18,"body":"really look like? It seems like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1146.72,"endTime":1149.18,"body":"it's Sufi, but practically,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1149.21,"endTime":1150.53,"body":"what's involved in that?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1151.52,"endTime":1153.08,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1151.52,"endTime":1153.08,"body":"so one of the hallmarks of Sufi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1153.08,"endTime":1156.29,"body":"orientations within Islam is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1153.08,"endTime":1156.29,"body":"that the end-goal is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1156.29,"endTime":1160.4,"body":"experiencing what is called"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1156.29,"endTime":1160.4,"body":"annihilation in God, or \"fana.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1160.58,"endTime":1163.16,"body":"That doesn't mean death--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1160.58,"endTime":1163.16,"body":"famously, the Sufi injunction is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1163.16,"endTime":1166.64,"body":"to \"die before you die,\" which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1163.16,"endTime":1166.64,"body":"always confuses my students and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1166.64,"endTime":1170.33,"body":"sounds pretty grim, but for Sufi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1166.64,"endTime":1170.33,"body":"philosophers and poets means"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1170.36,"endTime":1174.89,"body":"something like both experiencing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1170.36,"endTime":1174.89,"body":"God directly, and then coming to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1174.89,"endTime":1178.46,"body":"the realization that what we see"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1174.89,"endTime":1178.46,"body":"here in this mortal realm isn't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1178.49,"endTime":1184.1,"body":"all there is. It's just, like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1178.49,"endTime":1184.1,"body":"knowing. Not just, like, knowing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1184.1,"endTime":1187.4,"body":"that, but seeing it, feeling it,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1184.1,"endTime":1187.4,"body":"comprehending it, having some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1187.4,"endTime":1192.11,"body":"sort of relevatory story"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1187.4,"endTime":1192.11,"body":"experience. This is the part of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1192.11,"endTime":1195.5,"body":"Islamic studies where I, quite"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1192.11,"endTime":1195.5,"body":"frankly, flail, because words"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1195.5,"endTime":1199.52,"body":"don't really add out when we're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1195.5,"endTime":1199.52,"body":"talking about this kind of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1199.55,"endTime":1202.4,"body":"experiencential phenomenon."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1202.61,"endTime":1205.31,"body":"Yeah, okay. I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1202.61,"endTime":1205.31,"body":"also getting a sense, more"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1205.31,"endTime":1208.49,"body":"clearly now, of what you said in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1205.31,"endTime":1208.49,"body":"the last episode was that, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1208.73,"endTime":1211.7,"body":"Sufi isn't a third checkbox when"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1208.73,"endTime":1211.7,"body":"we're talking about kinds of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1211.7,"endTime":1216.86,"body":"Muslims, right? Like, it's not a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1211.7,"endTime":1216.86,"body":"Sunni, Shi'i, Sufi option. This"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1216.86,"endTime":1219.35,"body":"is a way of being in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1216.86,"endTime":1219.35,"body":"relationship to God and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1219.35,"endTime":1224.42,"body":"community that isn't, like, a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1219.35,"endTime":1224.42,"body":"demographic percentage."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1224.6,"endTime":1225.71,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1224.6,"endTime":1225.71,"body":"exactly right."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1225.8,"endTime":1226.07,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1226.07,"endTime":1228.14,"body":"Which--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1226.07,"endTime":1228.14,"body":"and frankly, like, this problem"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1228.14,"endTime":1232.13,"body":"of explaining Sufism-- which I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1228.14,"endTime":1232.13,"body":"overstating on purpose because I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1232.13,"endTime":1236.57,"body":"want folks to feel that it isn't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1232.13,"endTime":1236.57,"body":"a third box, it's not super..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1237.05,"endTime":1241.55,"body":"it's not simplistic-- Sufi music"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1237.05,"endTime":1241.55,"body":"is one of the ways that we might"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1241.55,"endTime":1243.8,"body":"talk about something that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1241.55,"endTime":1243.8,"body":"actually hard to talk about. So,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1243.83,"endTime":1246.65,"body":"in Senegal, there is a long,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1243.83,"endTime":1246.65,"body":"vibrant, incredible history of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1246.65,"endTime":1250.97,"body":"music accompanying Sufi dhikr"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1246.65,"endTime":1250.97,"body":"rituals, or remembrance rituals."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1251.27,"endTime":1254.09,"body":"In other places in the world,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1251.27,"endTime":1254.09,"body":"there is music, chanting, or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1254.09,"endTime":1256.82,"body":"dance-- famously, for example,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1254.09,"endTime":1256.82,"body":"lots of folks have heard of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1256.82,"endTime":1261.2,"body":"whirling Dervishes of Turkey."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1256.82,"endTime":1261.2,"body":"Those guys are-- that's a Sufi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1261.2,"endTime":1264.8,"body":"order, and they're doing Sufi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1261.2,"endTime":1264.8,"body":"ritual. The music in Senegal is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1264.8,"endTime":1269.36,"body":"so infused with Sufi Muslim"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1264.8,"endTime":1269.36,"body":"imagery, and then in turn, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1269.36,"endTime":1273.29,"body":"explicitly ritualistic music is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1269.36,"endTime":1273.29,"body":"so tied to religious experience"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1273.35,"endTime":1277.04,"body":"that, frankly, it's a bit famous"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1273.35,"endTime":1277.04,"body":"(even if white, American,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1277.07,"endTime":1279.29,"body":"non-Muslims don't know about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1277.07,"endTime":1279.29,"body":"it)."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1280.04,"endTime":1282.23,"body":"Huh! So it seems"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1280.04,"endTime":1282.23,"body":"like what you're saying is that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1282.23,"endTime":1286.52,"body":"this overwhelmingly Muslim"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1282.23,"endTime":1286.52,"body":"place, Senegal, has an"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1286.58,"endTime":1291.23,"body":"overwhelming orientation to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1286.58,"endTime":1291.23,"body":"mystical or Sufi Islam, and then"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1291.26,"endTime":1293.9,"body":"specifically, there are musical"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1291.26,"endTime":1293.9,"body":"traditions met to articulate,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1293.9,"endTime":1297.95,"body":"artistically, one's relationship"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1293.9,"endTime":1297.95,"body":"to the Divine. And, you're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1297.95,"endTime":1300.98,"body":"suggesting that this is so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1297.95,"endTime":1300.98,"body":"widespread, that popular music"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1300.98,"endTime":1303.8,"body":"has some of these features in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1300.98,"endTime":1303.8,"body":"religious ritual uses of these"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1303.8,"endTime":1308.93,"body":"songs-- beats sounds, all of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1303.8,"endTime":1308.93,"body":"this is unique to the space, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1308.93,"endTime":1313.46,"body":"also, it has influenced and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1308.93,"endTime":1313.46,"body":"shaped and gone beyond just,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1313.46,"endTime":1316.79,"body":"like, explicitly Muslim ritual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1313.46,"endTime":1316.79,"body":"practice."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1317.63,"endTime":1319.55,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1317.63,"endTime":1319.55,"body":"Perfect. So much better than"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1319.55,"endTime":1320.33,"body":"what I managed."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1321.08,"endTime":1323.0,"body":"I don't know that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1321.08,"endTime":1323.0,"body":"that's true, but it was shorter."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1324.23,"endTime":1327.17,"body":"Anyway, I want to switch it up"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1324.23,"endTime":1327.17,"body":"for a minute and talk about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1327.17,"endTime":1330.05,"body":"Black Muslims in what's now the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1327.17,"endTime":1330.05,"body":"United States, many of whom"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1330.05,"endTime":1333.14,"body":"trace their ancestry to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1330.05,"endTime":1333.14,"body":"enslavement, but not all of whom"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1333.14,"endTime":1337.28,"body":"trace their Islam to the same"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1333.14,"endTime":1337.28,"body":"sources. Like you said already,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1337.28,"endTime":1340.85,"body":"in the world religions paradigm,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1337.28,"endTime":1340.85,"body":"Africa just falls out, just,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1340.85,"endTime":1344.63,"body":"like, disappears from the map,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1340.85,"endTime":1344.63,"body":"except for, like, old school"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1344.63,"endTime":1347.54,"body":"terms that I loathe, like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1344.63,"endTime":1347.54,"body":"\"animism.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1348.02,"endTime":1350.18,"body":"Oh, my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1348.02,"endTime":1350.18,"body":"god. Yeah. I totally forgot"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1350.18,"endTime":1352.28,"body":"about that piece. Gross."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1350.18,"endTime":1352.28,"body":"Continue."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1352.31,"endTime":1357.59,"body":"Yeah, yeah. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1352.31,"endTime":1357.59,"body":"can't help but wonder if Africa"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1358.04,"endTime":1362.45,"body":"and Islam and African Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1358.04,"endTime":1362.45,"body":"falling out of how America"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1363.35,"endTime":1368.36,"body":"thinks about its history... just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1363.35,"endTime":1368.36,"body":"doesn't tie to larger anxieties"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1368.36,"endTime":1373.28,"body":"about admitting that, like, the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1368.36,"endTime":1373.28,"body":"founding of America is gross and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1373.28,"endTime":1377.24,"body":"based in enslavement. 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Her book, in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1832.25,"endTime":1836.78,"body":"particular, calls for ways both"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1836.78,"endTime":1841.4,"body":"to honor religious commitments"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1836.78,"endTime":1841.4,"body":"and the space made for multiple"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1841.4,"endTime":1845.06,"body":"partner marriages in a way that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1841.4,"endTime":1845.06,"body":"takes care of the most"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1845.06,"endTime":1848.15,"body":"vulnerable people in those"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1845.06,"endTime":1848.15,"body":"relationships."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1849.53,"endTime":1851.96,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1849.53,"endTime":1851.96,"body":"No, I think that's exactly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1851.96,"endTime":1855.38,"body":"right. I think one of the things"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1851.96,"endTime":1855.38,"body":"that I really respond to and Dr."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1855.38,"endTime":1858.29,"body":"Majeed's work is, actually, when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1855.38,"endTime":1858.29,"body":"we asked her to be on this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1858.29,"endTime":1862.73,"body":"podcast (and she very graciously"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1858.29,"endTime":1862.73,"body":"accepted), she said that she"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1862.73,"endTime":1865.85,"body":"really bristled at the idea of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1862.73,"endTime":1865.85,"body":"being called an expert"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1865.85,"endTime":1869.3,"body":"because... you know, we had like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1865.85,"endTime":1869.3,"body":"a couple of emails back and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1869.3,"endTime":1872.27,"body":"forth, and it was all in good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1869.3,"endTime":1872.27,"body":"fun, but she sort of was like,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1872.27,"endTime":1875.18,"body":"there's a lot of different kinds"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1872.27,"endTime":1875.18,"body":"of expertise, and that PhD is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1875.18,"endTime":1877.88,"body":"only one of them. 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The person"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1912.2,"endTime":1918.62,"body":"who takes novice responses, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1918.62,"endTime":1921.74,"body":"then expertly weaves them"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1918.62,"endTime":1921.74,"body":"together, but rather as one"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1921.74,"endTime":1925.4,"body":"person who is doing work in her"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1921.74,"endTime":1925.4,"body":"own expertise, representing the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1925.4,"endTime":1929.72,"body":"expertise of others, which I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1925.4,"endTime":1929.72,"body":"think is a radical way to think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1929.72,"endTime":1934.46,"body":"about people who have been"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1929.72,"endTime":1934.46,"body":"systemically oppressed and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1934.46,"endTime":1938.12,"body":"persecuted, and taking them"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1934.46,"endTime":1938.12,"body":"seriously. So, I think it's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1938.12,"endTime":1939.14,"body":"great model for us."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1939.32,"endTime":1949.73,"body":"It absolutely is."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1939.32,"endTime":1949.73,"body":"Now it's time to move on to... 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It is a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1961.61,"endTime":1965.63,"body":"little bit to leave you with."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1966.89,"endTime":1971.51,"body":"For me, little bit leave it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1966.89,"endTime":1971.51,"body":"today is that Islam is literally"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1971.51,"endTime":1974.27,"body":"everywhere, and no matter how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1971.51,"endTime":1974.27,"body":"much you know about Islam and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1974.27,"endTime":1977.24,"body":"Muslims, there's always more to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1974.27,"endTime":1977.24,"body":"learn. Today, I hope we learned"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1977.24,"endTime":1980.87,"body":"that both Black Muslims-- duh,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1977.24,"endTime":1980.87,"body":"exist, and have existed for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1980.87,"endTime":1984.17,"body":"literally centuries-- and that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1980.87,"endTime":1984.17,"body":"anti-Blackness has shaped how we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1984.17,"endTime":1986.66,"body":"think about Islam and Muslims,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1984.17,"endTime":1986.66,"body":"both globally and here in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1986.66,"endTime":1987.2,"body":"US."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1987.86,"endTime":1992.15,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1987.86,"endTime":1992.15,"body":"Yes. I guess I'll follow that up"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1992.18,"endTime":1995.39,"body":"with... *blows raspberry* Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1992.18,"endTime":1995.39,"body":"I said this last time, but I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1995.39,"endTime":1996.47,"body":"gonna build on it. I'm just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1995.39,"endTime":1996.47,"body":"gonna commit."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1996.47,"endTime":1996.53,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1996.59,"endTime":1999.47,"body":"Islam"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1996.59,"endTime":1999.47,"body":"is plural and global. AND we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1999.47,"endTime":2002.38,"body":"miss a lot of the Islams that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1999.47,"endTime":2002.38,"body":"happen in the world--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2002.38,"endTime":2005.53,"body":"historically, locally,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2002.38,"endTime":2005.53,"body":"contemporarily-- because we do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2005.53,"endTime":2009.82,"body":"not take Africa, as a whole ass"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2005.53,"endTime":2009.82,"body":"continent, or Black folk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2009.85,"endTime":2014.29,"body":"seriously, regardless of where"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2009.85,"endTime":2014.29,"body":"those folk live. We here is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2014.29,"endTime":2017.44,"body":"white people, but also white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2014.29,"endTime":2017.44,"body":"institutions. That's education,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2017.44,"endTime":2020.38,"body":"of course, but also healthcare,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2017.44,"endTime":2020.38,"body":"law, housing, you name it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2020.41,"endTime":2025.0,"body":"That's it. Islam is plural. It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2020.41,"endTime":2025.0,"body":"global. And it's Black. And it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2025.0,"endTime":2028.15,"body":"African. And we do better when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2025.0,"endTime":2028.15,"body":"we know about the richnesses of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.15,"endTime":2028.72,"body":"our world."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2029.08,"endTime":2031.78,"body":"Yes, we do. And"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2029.08,"endTime":2031.78,"body":"if you don't know, now you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2031.78,"endTime":2032.17,"body":"know--"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2032.77,"endTime":2034.72,"body":"*If"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2032.77,"endTime":2034.72,"body":"You Don't Know, Now You Know*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2034.78,"endTime":2038.2,"body":"The segment where"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2034.78,"endTime":2038.2,"body":"we get one factoid each. Today,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2038.23,"endTime":2040.45,"body":"I have a good one. It is not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2038.23,"endTime":2040.45,"body":"specifically about Black"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2040.45,"endTime":2043.54,"body":"Muslims, but it is about Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2040.45,"endTime":2043.54,"body":"in the US, and I learned it from"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2043.54,"endTime":2047.68,"body":"our beloved Dr. Kathleen Marie"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2043.54,"endTime":2047.68,"body":"Foody. Did you know, IRMF, that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2047.68,"endTime":2050.89,"body":"the \"Halloween\" franchise, which"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2047.68,"endTime":2050.89,"body":"irrevocably changed American"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2050.89,"endTime":2054.97,"body":"horror, was produced by a Muslim"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2050.89,"endTime":2054.97,"body":"dude? His name was Moustapha Al"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2054.97,"endTime":2058.36,"body":"Akkad, and I WILL find a way to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2054.97,"endTime":2058.36,"body":"footnote him in my next book."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2058.42,"endTime":2059.41,"body":"You mark my words."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2059.889,"endTime":2062.319,"body":"I did"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2059.889,"endTime":2062.319,"body":"NOT know that, because I don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2062.319,"endTime":2063.339,"body":"really care about horror."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2063.34,"endTime":2066.61,"body":"*laughs* Fair"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2063.34,"endTime":2066.61,"body":"enough. I care about a deeply."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2067.54,"endTime":2071.65,"body":"\"Halloween\" was an inflection"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2067.54,"endTime":2071.65,"body":"point, I would argue, in the way"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2071.65,"endTime":2074.14,"body":"that Americans understand"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2071.65,"endTime":2074.14,"body":"horror. And the fact that it was"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2074.14,"endTime":2076.42,"body":"bankrolled-- like, the entire"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2074.14,"endTime":2076.42,"body":"franchise was bankrolled by a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2076.42,"endTime":2078.55,"body":"Muslim dude is the thing that I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2076.42,"endTime":2078.55,"body":"just learned and I'm very"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2078.55,"endTime":2079.06,"body":"interested in."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2079.96,"endTime":2083.47,"body":"I love"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2079.96,"endTime":2083.47,"body":"that! I also don't know what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2083.47,"endTime":2086.44,"body":"people know, so I guess I'll say"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2083.47,"endTime":2086.44,"body":"this one as my little factoid."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2086.47,"endTime":2089.68,"body":"Swahili is one of those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2086.47,"endTime":2089.68,"body":"languages that just shows how"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2089.68,"endTime":2093.16,"body":"cosmopolitan, how globalized the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2089.68,"endTime":2093.16,"body":"world is if you actually pay"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2093.16,"endTime":2097.48,"body":"attention and, like, learn some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2093.16,"endTime":2097.48,"body":"shit. So. 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I didn't know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2380.98,"endTime":2382.54,"body":"about this book."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2382.63,"endTime":2385.39,"body":"Oh,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2382.63,"endTime":2385.39,"body":"SUPER rad. That was on Senegal."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2385.39,"endTime":2388.27,"body":"Let me move on to Mali and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2385.39,"endTime":2388.27,"body":"Timbuktu, as well as a few"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2388.27,"endTime":2390.64,"body":"publicly available resources"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2388.27,"endTime":2390.64,"body":"since that was the other main"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2390.64,"endTime":2393.19,"body":"example I gave y'all. 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For good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2437.08,"endTime":2440.2,"body":"measure. I have a book that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2437.08,"endTime":2440.2,"body":"pushes back on Timbuktu as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2440.2,"endTime":2444.34,"body":"unique. There's Ousmane Oumar"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2440.2,"endTime":2444.34,"body":"Kane's \"Beyond Timbuktu: An"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2444.34,"endTime":2447.64,"body":"Intellectual History of Muslim"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2444.34,"endTime":2447.64,"body":"West Africa,\" which is really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2447.64,"endTime":2448.78,"body":"great, and you should pick it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2447.64,"endTime":2448.78,"body":"up."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2449.17,"endTime":2452.32,"body":"Awesome! 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