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And that went"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1116.53,"endTime":1120.97,"body":"about as well as you might"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1120.97,"endTime":1123.46,"body":"expect for the indigenous"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1120.97,"endTime":1123.46,"body":"peoples already living in what's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1123.46,"endTime":1124.48,"body":"now South America."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1124.57,"endTime":1130.06,"body":"*scoffs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1124.57,"endTime":1130.06,"body":"Yeah, yeah. 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So much"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1149.24,"endTime":1152.12,"body":"murder, and a bunch of sexual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1152.12,"endTime":1152.75,"body":"violence."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1153.14,"endTime":1153.38,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1153.38,"endTime":1155.57,"body":"And more murder,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1153.38,"endTime":1155.57,"body":"and then a lot of theft!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1156.26,"endTime":1156.71,"body":"All of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1156.26,"endTime":1156.71,"body":"the theft!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1156.656,"endTime":1159.71,"body":"Because Jesus?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1156.656,"endTime":1159.71,"body":"Question mark? 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We do"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1218.28,"endTime":1222.33,"body":"two days on Christianity and a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1218.28,"endTime":1222.33,"body":"solid quarter of what we're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1222.33,"endTime":1226.38,"body":"talking about is liberation"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1222.33,"endTime":1226.38,"body":"theology. As we have discussed"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1226.41,"endTime":1230.82,"body":"at length on this pod, I am no"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1226.41,"endTime":1230.82,"body":"longer Catholic, but--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1230.82,"endTime":1231.45,"body":"*gasps*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1230.82,"endTime":1231.45,"body":"Shocking."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1231.48,"endTime":1234.54,"body":"I know, I know."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1231.48,"endTime":1234.54,"body":"Spoilers! 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Again, I want you to be"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1328.98,"endTime":1332.31,"body":"thinking about people who are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1332.31,"endTime":1335.91,"body":"working all day to gather food,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1332.31,"endTime":1335.91,"body":"but whose families are starving."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1336.93,"endTime":1339.96,"body":"Liberation theology, as"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1336.93,"endTime":1339.96,"body":"theorized by folks like Gustavo"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1339.96,"endTime":1343.68,"body":"Gutierrez, combines the Second"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1339.96,"endTime":1343.68,"body":"Vatican Council's preferential"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1343.68,"endTime":1347.43,"body":"option for the poor with Marx's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1343.68,"endTime":1347.43,"body":"concern about workers alienated"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1347.43,"endTime":1350.28,"body":"from the products of their"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1347.43,"endTime":1350.28,"body":"labor. 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The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1460.103,"endTime":1463.475,"body":"Church is the people, and some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1463.534,"endTime":1466.61,"body":"of those people do some pretty"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1463.534,"endTime":1466.61,"body":"amazing fucking work."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1468.85,"endTime":1471.97,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1468.85,"endTime":1471.97,"body":"Okay. Okay, so I hear two"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1471.97,"endTime":1479.44,"body":"things, I think, so far. One of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1471.97,"endTime":1479.44,"body":"all, I'm hearing that even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1479.44,"endTime":1482.44,"body":"though we can trace lots of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1479.44,"endTime":1482.44,"body":"Christian communities to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1482.44,"endTime":1487.69,"body":"European colonial and imperial"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1482.44,"endTime":1487.69,"body":"sources, that doesn't mean that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1487.69,"endTime":1491.5,"body":"folks who continue to practice"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1487.69,"endTime":1491.5,"body":"today haven't made Christianity"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1491.5,"endTime":1495.55,"body":"their own! So, people like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1491.5,"endTime":1495.55,"body":"Chavez who, two of all, called"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1495.55,"endTime":1497.98,"body":"upon Church leadership to do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1495.55,"endTime":1497.98,"body":"better based on his own"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1497.98,"endTime":1500.65,"body":"understanding and relationship"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1497.98,"endTime":1500.65,"body":"to Christianity or Catholicism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1500.65,"endTime":1504.67,"body":"in this case. Which I think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1500.65,"endTime":1504.67,"body":"shows me, as usual, that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1504.67,"endTime":1509.89,"body":"religion is what people do, even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1504.67,"endTime":1509.89,"body":"within hugely institutionalized"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1509.89,"endTime":1512.62,"body":"and hierarchical structures,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1509.89,"endTime":1512.62,"body":"like the Catholic Church."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1512.71,"endTime":1513.1,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1514.59,"endTime":1517.17,"body":"So,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1514.59,"endTime":1517.17,"body":"frankly, this feels like as good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1517.17,"endTime":1521.07,"body":"a place as any to let Dr. Jorge"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1517.17,"endTime":1521.07,"body":"Juan Rodriguez V give us some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1521.1,"endTime":1523.98,"body":"expert takes on Latinx"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1521.1,"endTime":1523.98,"body":"Christianity in the US."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1524.01,"endTime":1527.07,"body":"According to his Twitter bio--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1524.01,"endTime":1527.07,"body":"and friends, you must find him"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1527.07,"endTime":1532.92,"body":"on Twitter. It is A+ content--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1527.07,"endTime":1532.92,"body":"Dr. Rodriguez is a DiaspoRican"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1533.04,"endTime":1535.95,"body":"Theo-Socio-Storian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1533.04,"endTime":1535.95,"body":"contextualizing systems"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1535.95,"endTime":1541.17,"body":"historically made Divine. Which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1535.95,"endTime":1541.17,"body":"is, like, a dope ass bio. His"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1541.17,"endTime":1543.81,"body":"research focuses on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1541.17,"endTime":1543.81,"body":"Christianity, social movements,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1543.81,"endTime":1547.83,"body":"and colonization. Specifically,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1543.81,"endTime":1547.83,"body":"he writes on the Young Lords and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1547.83,"endTime":1550.65,"body":"their coalition-building efforts"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1547.83,"endTime":1550.65,"body":"in Chicago and New York in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1550.65,"endTime":1554.16,"body":"60s and 70s. So! While we've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1550.65,"endTime":1554.16,"body":"been really clear that this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.16,"endTime":1556.53,"body":"episode isn't about white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.16,"endTime":1556.53,"body":"mainstream Christianity, and we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1556.53,"endTime":1560.31,"body":"have tried-- Lord knows, I have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1556.53,"endTime":1560.31,"body":"tried to keep us out of the US"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1560.58,"endTime":1563.7,"body":"given how often we've talked"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1560.58,"endTime":1563.7,"body":"about it before, frankly, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1563.7,"endTime":1566.64,"body":"fact of the matter is is that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1563.7,"endTime":1566.64,"body":"lots of Hispanic and Latinx"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1566.94,"endTime":1570.9,"body":"Christianities in the US fit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1566.94,"endTime":1570.9,"body":"exactly into how we're talking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1570.9,"endTime":1574.26,"body":"about religion on this here"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1570.9,"endTime":1574.26,"body":"episode. So, I will take every"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1574.26,"endTime":1577.59,"body":"opportunity to learn from Dr."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1574.26,"endTime":1577.59,"body":"Rodriguez, which means, friend,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1577.62,"endTime":1578.19,"body":"you're up!"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1580.64,"endTime":1583.37,"body":"I'm"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1580.64,"endTime":1583.37,"body":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodriguez V, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1583.37,"endTime":1586.4,"body":"I'm a historian who focuses on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1583.37,"endTime":1586.4,"body":"the intersections of religion,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1586.43,"endTime":1588.95,"body":"specifically Christianity,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1586.43,"endTime":1588.95,"body":"social movements, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1588.95,"endTime":1592.64,"body":"colonialism. In particular, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1588.95,"endTime":1592.64,"body":"love learning and teaching about"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1592.64,"endTime":1595.67,"body":"how religion has historically"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1592.64,"endTime":1595.67,"body":"provided language, symbols, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1595.67,"endTime":1598.85,"body":"embodied practices for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1595.67,"endTime":1598.85,"body":"communities of color to imagine"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1598.85,"endTime":1602.21,"body":"alternative visions for a more"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1598.85,"endTime":1602.21,"body":"just society, and through their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1602.21,"endTime":1606.02,"body":"activism bring that vision into"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1602.21,"endTime":1606.02,"body":"being. As a child of Puerto"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1606.02,"endTime":1609.71,"body":"Rican migrants, so much of my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1606.02,"endTime":1609.71,"body":"own story is shaped by the very"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1609.71,"endTime":1614.57,"body":"questions I study. This leads me"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1609.71,"endTime":1614.57,"body":"to spend a lot of time exploring"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1614.57,"endTime":1618.23,"body":"the ways Latinx people engage"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1614.57,"endTime":1618.23,"body":"Christianity to push against an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1618.23,"endTime":1622.16,"body":"unjust society. What's funny is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1618.23,"endTime":1622.16,"body":"that many people often"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1622.16,"endTime":1626.93,"body":"automatically read Latinos"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1622.16,"endTime":1626.93,"body":"religiously. Indeed, for a lot"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1626.93,"endTime":1631.01,"body":"of folks, Latinx and Catholic"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1626.93,"endTime":1631.01,"body":"are synonymous, or at minimum,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1631.01,"endTime":1634.73,"body":"super closely related. And I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1631.01,"endTime":1634.73,"body":"think part of this is because of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1634.73,"endTime":1637.97,"body":"colonialism. The Spanish and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1634.73,"endTime":1637.97,"body":"Portuguese Catholic Church were"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1637.97,"endTime":1641.84,"body":"central to colonizing what we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1637.97,"endTime":1641.84,"body":"now call the Americas. Part of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1641.84,"endTime":1646.7,"body":"it is demographic-- a lot of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1641.84,"endTime":1646.7,"body":"Latinos are Catholic! Part of it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1646.7,"endTime":1650.69,"body":"is also lowkey, not so lowkey,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1646.7,"endTime":1650.69,"body":"racism. Latinx people are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1650.69,"endTime":1654.05,"body":"treated monolithically in this"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1650.69,"endTime":1654.05,"body":"nation, which functions as a way"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1654.05,"endTime":1657.05,"body":"of invisiblising their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1654.05,"endTime":1657.05,"body":"complexity as an ethnic group."},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1658.16,"endTime":1661.13,"body":"And the reality is that Latinx"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1658.16,"endTime":1661.13,"body":"religiosity is hella"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1661.13,"endTime":1664.76,"body":"complicated. And even Latinx"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1661.13,"endTime":1664.76,"body":"Christianity is hella"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1664.76,"endTime":1668.81,"body":"complicated! Now, aside from the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1664.76,"endTime":1668.81,"body":"fact that there are Latinx"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1668.81,"endTime":1672.98,"body":"Pentecostals and Protestants and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1668.81,"endTime":1672.98,"body":"Catholics, Latinos often embody"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1672.98,"endTime":1677.3,"body":"multiple religious traditions"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1672.98,"endTime":1677.3,"body":"simultaneously. As scholar Sam"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1677.3,"endTime":1681.29,"body":"Cruz argues in his book \"Masked"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1677.3,"endTime":1681.29,"body":"Africanisms,\" there's a clear"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1681.29,"endTime":1684.74,"body":"connection between Puerto Rican"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1681.29,"endTime":1684.74,"body":"Pentecostalism and African"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1684.74,"endTime":1687.95,"body":"Diasporic Religions like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1684.74,"endTime":1687.95,"body":"Santeria and the Creolized"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1687.95,"endTime":1691.61,"body":"versions of Espiritismo. As"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1687.95,"endTime":1691.61,"body":"scholar Daisy Machado has"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1691.61,"endTime":1694.73,"body":"argued, there are many Mexican"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1691.61,"endTime":1694.73,"body":"Catholics on the US Mexico"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1694.73,"endTime":1698.6,"body":"border who are going to Mass on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1694.73,"endTime":1698.6,"body":"Sunday, and the Curandero on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1698.6,"endTime":1701.96,"body":"Monday, the communal faith"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1698.6,"endTime":1701.96,"body":"healer who provides relief for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1701.96,"endTime":1706.46,"body":"their visitors. Shit! Even"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1701.96,"endTime":1706.46,"body":"Latinx evangelicals often talk"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1706.46,"endTime":1709.25,"body":"about embodying their faith"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1706.46,"endTime":1709.25,"body":"through dreams and connections"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1709.25,"endTime":1712.55,"body":"to the spirits, things white"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1709.25,"endTime":1712.55,"body":"evangelicals sometimes called"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1712.55,"endTime":1716.51,"body":"demonic, or at minimum, not,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1712.55,"endTime":1716.51,"body":"quote unquote, \"rational\" and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1716.51,"endTime":1721.01,"body":"thus not okay to do. So, it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1716.51,"endTime":1721.01,"body":"super hard to talk about Latinx"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1721.01,"endTime":1725.0,"body":"religion and Latinx Christianity"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1721.01,"endTime":1725.0,"body":"because there's so much nuance"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1725.0,"endTime":1728.72,"body":"in it that stems from the ways"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1725.0,"endTime":1728.72,"body":"people have negotiated and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1728.72,"endTime":1732.74,"body":"resisted multiple colonial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1728.72,"endTime":1732.74,"body":"impositions over hundreds of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1732.74,"endTime":1738.14,"body":"years. Nonetheless, I think it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1732.74,"endTime":1738.14,"body":"important to explore how Latinx"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1738.14,"endTime":1741.98,"body":"people engage, embody, and speak"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1738.14,"endTime":1741.98,"body":"through the languages of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1741.98,"endTime":1745.67,"body":"Christianity to make meaning in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1741.98,"endTime":1745.67,"body":"the world and specifically fight"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1745.67,"endTime":1749.78,"body":"against racism, colonialism, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1745.67,"endTime":1749.78,"body":"other forms of oppression. 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Though"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1760.55,"endTime":1763.88,"body":"founded in Chicago, I've spent a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1760.55,"endTime":1763.88,"body":"lot of time studying the New"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1763.88,"endTime":1768.11,"body":"York chapter of the Young Lords"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1763.88,"endTime":1768.11,"body":"who, in 1969, occupied the first"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1768.11,"endTime":1771.35,"body":"Spanish United Methodist Church,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1768.11,"endTime":1771.35,"body":"a historically Puerto Rican"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1771.35,"endTime":1775.1,"body":"church, in order to establish"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1771.35,"endTime":1775.1,"body":"free breakfast for children,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1775.25,"endTime":1779.45,"body":"medical testing, and cultural"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1775.25,"endTime":1779.45,"body":"events. 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One of their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1785.75,"endTime":1789.23,"body":"pamphlets read that it was the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1789.23,"endTime":1792.38,"body":"duty of the Church to take care"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1789.23,"endTime":1792.38,"body":"of the least of these, quoting"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1792.38,"endTime":1795.95,"body":"the Christian gospels. A leader"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1792.38,"endTime":1795.95,"body":"of the organization even said"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1795.95,"endTime":1799.1,"body":"that if Jesus were alive, he"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1795.95,"endTime":1799.1,"body":"would be a Young Lord, because"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1799.1,"endTime":1801.95,"body":"it was the Young Lords who were"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1799.1,"endTime":1801.95,"body":"following the biblical ministry"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1801.95,"endTime":1805.67,"body":"of taking care of the sick,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1801.95,"endTime":1805.67,"body":"visiting the prisoners, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1805.67,"endTime":1809.93,"body":"providing shelter for those"},{"speaker":"Dr. Jorge Juan Rodrguez V","startTime":1805.67,"endTime":1809.93,"body":"without homes. 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And if you don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2187.15,"endTime":2191.32,"body":"know, now you know!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2191.59,"endTime":2194.841,"body":"The segment in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2191.59,"endTime":2194.841,"body":"which we get one factoid each."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2191.89,"endTime":2193.87,"body":"*If"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2191.89,"endTime":2193.87,"body":"You Don't Know, Now You Know!*"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2194.913,"endTime":2199.609,"body":"Okay. My-- oh, I'm excited about"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2194.913,"endTime":2199.609,"body":"this one. So, again, if religion"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2195.43,"endTime":2229.51,"body":"One would assume, yes."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2199.681,"endTime":2203.655,"body":"is what people do (and it is),"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2199.681,"endTime":2203.655,"body":"then Catholicism is what"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2203.727,"endTime":2208.062,"body":"Catholics do. And what some"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2203.727,"endTime":2208.062,"body":"Mexican and US-ian Catholics are"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2208.135,"endTime":2212.47,"body":"doing right now is honoring"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2208.135,"endTime":2212.47,"body":"Santa Muerte. The Skinny Lady is"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2212.542,"endTime":2216.805,"body":"especially beloved by trans and"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2212.542,"endTime":2216.805,"body":"queer Catholics, as well as"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2216.877,"endTime":2220.923,"body":"Catholic sex workers. The"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2216.877,"endTime":2220.923,"body":"magisterium-- again, the dudes"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2220.995,"endTime":2225.475,"body":"in charge of the official Roman"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2220.995,"endTime":2225.475,"body":"Catholic Church-- ah! They are"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2225.547,"endTime":2226.92,"body":"big mad about this."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2230.44,"endTime":2233.8,"body":"Like, please stop making"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2230.44,"endTime":2233.8,"body":"cryptosaints, they have said."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2235.12,"endTime":2239.5,"body":"And, those who love Santa Muerte"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2235.12,"endTime":2239.5,"body":"were like \"Lol, nope.\" Santa"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2239.5,"endTime":2243.07,"body":"Muerte loves all vulnerable"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2239.5,"endTime":2243.07,"body":"people, especially trans people,"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2243.34,"endTime":2247.03,"body":"and she respects pronouns! But"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2243.34,"endTime":2247.03,"body":"not borders, because, as Ilyse"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2247.03,"endTime":2250.21,"body":"says, borders are lies we tell"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2247.03,"endTime":2250.21,"body":"on maps and defend with bombs."},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2250.75,"endTime":2253.6,"body":"Or, in the case of the"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2250.75,"endTime":2253.6,"body":"US/Mexican border, whips and"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2253.6,"endTime":2256.87,"body":"water cannons. And, La Nia"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2253.6,"endTime":2256.87,"body":"Blanca definitely says chinga la"},{"speaker":"If You Don't Know, Now You Know","startTime":2256.87,"endTime":2258.49,"body":"migra! End factoid."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2261.34,"endTime":2262.51,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2261.34,"endTime":2262.51,"body":"Well, I can't really follow"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2262.51,"endTime":2263.29,"body":"that, but I have to."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2267.07,"endTime":2267.1,"body":"*cackles*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2267.36,"endTime":2269.07,"body":"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2267.36,"endTime":2269.07,"body":"I'm just gonna-- I'm just gonna"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2269.07,"endTime":2272.34,"body":"restate the thesis here?? It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2269.07,"endTime":2272.34,"body":"easy. And like, again, I am a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2272.34,"endTime":2275.82,"body":"literal historian of imperialism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2272.34,"endTime":2275.82,"body":"and definitions of race within"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2275.82,"endTime":2281.04,"body":"imperialism, so frankly, it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2275.82,"endTime":2281.04,"body":"easy to shit on Christianity. It"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2281.04,"endTime":2285.96,"body":"is! Y'all have done some fucking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2281.04,"endTime":2285.96,"body":"work around the world! Also, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2285.96,"endTime":2290.43,"body":"a Jewish woman who gets hate"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2285.96,"endTime":2290.43,"body":"mail daily. And I gotta tell ya,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2290.46,"endTime":2295.02,"body":"it's never Muslims sending this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2290.46,"endTime":2295.02,"body":"shit to me. It is often, though"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2295.02,"endTime":2298.8,"body":"not always, angry white"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2295.02,"endTime":2298.8,"body":"Christians who really, really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2298.8,"endTime":2302.25,"body":"super hate Jews, and Muslims,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2298.8,"endTime":2302.25,"body":"and also women (but that's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2302.25,"endTime":2304.53,"body":"separate thing, but probably"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2302.25,"endTime":2304.53,"body":"also related because gender"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2304.53,"endTime":2305.22,"body":"matters)."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2305.25,"endTime":2305.67,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2306.09,"endTime":2308.79,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2306.09,"endTime":2308.79,"body":"even *I* know in the soup of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2308.79,"endTime":2312.12,"body":"white Christian supremacy that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2308.79,"endTime":2312.12,"body":"impacts-- I'm not exaggerating,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2312.12,"endTime":2316.32,"body":"my daily life-- that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2312.12,"endTime":2316.32,"body":"#NotAllChristians. And,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2316.38,"endTime":2321.24,"body":"Christianity is also a vibrant"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2316.38,"endTime":2321.24,"body":"and multifaceted religion. And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2321.24,"endTime":2324.69,"body":"I'll be honest, listeners, since"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2321.24,"endTime":2324.69,"body":"the last time we did an episode"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2324.69,"endTime":2328.29,"body":"on Christianity, y'all were up"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2324.69,"endTime":2328.29,"body":"in my DMs being whiny. I am"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2328.29,"endTime":2331.56,"body":"never going to stop shitting on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2328.29,"endTime":2331.56,"body":"all of the hateful stuff,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2331.92,"endTime":2336.09,"body":"because it runs our world and it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2331.92,"endTime":2336.09,"body":"fucks with my family."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2336.12,"endTime":2336.42,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2336.96,"endTime":2338.46,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2336.96,"endTime":2338.46,"body":"it's important that I say and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2338.46,"endTime":2341.43,"body":"that you hear me say that I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2338.46,"endTime":2341.43,"body":"really do know that that's not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2341.43,"endTime":2344.88,"body":"the whole thing. I do! I know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2341.43,"endTime":2344.88,"body":"that. It's a lot of what I see,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2344.91,"endTime":2348.72,"body":"given my identities and my work,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2344.91,"endTime":2348.72,"body":"but I know that that's not the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2348.72,"endTime":2349.32,"body":"whole thing."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2349.89,"endTime":2350.25,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2350.28,"endTime":2353.34,"body":"Mike..."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2350.28,"endTime":2353.34,"body":"Mike drop. But not really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2353.34,"endTime":2356.25,"body":"because we gotta keep going."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2353.34,"endTime":2356.25,"body":"But, mike drop, proverbially."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2357.61,"endTime":2361.521,"body":"*giggles* Places"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2357.61,"endTime":2361.521,"body":"down on the stage gently. On"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2357.63,"endTime":2357.66,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2361.608,"endTime":2367.78,"body":"that note, don't pack up your"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2361.608,"endTime":2367.78,"body":"stuff yet, nerds! It's time for homework."},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":2364.53,"endTime":2367.71,"body":"*What homework?!*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2369.9,"endTime":2371.94,"body":"As always, we've"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2369.9,"endTime":2371.94,"body":"got citations, references, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2371.94,"endTime":2375.87,"body":"other goodies, and the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2371.94,"endTime":2375.87,"body":"obligatory transcripts, stashed"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2375.87,"endTime":2379.98,"body":"at keepingit101.com for every"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2375.87,"endTime":2379.98,"body":"single episode. Check it out!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2380.43,"endTime":2383.04,"body":"Okay, I did so much talking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2380.43,"endTime":2383.04,"body":"today. IRMF, you go first!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2383.36,"endTime":2384.71,"body":"Oh,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2383.36,"endTime":2384.71,"body":"alright then. So, first and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2384.71,"endTime":2389.9,"body":"foremost, you nerds want to read"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2384.71,"endTime":2389.9,"body":"our guest expert, Dr. Jorge Juan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2389.9,"endTime":2393.98,"body":"Rodriguez V. So, he's got a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2389.9,"endTime":2393.98,"body":"brand new article. It is out"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2393.98,"endTime":2398.18,"body":"literally this month in a book"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2393.98,"endTime":2398.18,"body":"called \"Faith and Power:"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2398.27,"endTime":2403.67,"body":"Latina/o Religious Politics"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2398.27,"endTime":2403.67,"body":"since 1945,\" and the article in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2403.67,"endTime":2406.64,"body":"that book is called \"Lived"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2403.67,"endTime":2406.64,"body":"Religion in East Harlem: the New"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2406.64,"endTime":2411.56,"body":"York Young Lords Occupy First"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2406.64,"endTime":2411.56,"body":"Spanish-- The People's Church.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2411.83,"endTime":2413.03,"body":"It looks fabulous."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2413.06,"endTime":2413.51,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2413.78,"endTime":2415.34,"body":"If"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2413.78,"endTime":2415.34,"body":"it's hard to get your hands on a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2415.34,"endTime":2419.78,"body":"book, don't worry. Jorge's on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2415.34,"endTime":2419.78,"body":"two amazing podcasts: one with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2419.78,"endTime":2423.35,"body":"friend of the pod, Greg Soden on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2419.78,"endTime":2423.35,"body":"\"Classical Ideas\" that I'll link"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2423.35,"endTime":2426.23,"body":"to in the show notes, and a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2423.35,"endTime":2426.23,"body":"second with friend of the pod,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2426.23,"endTime":2429.47,"body":"Daniel White Hodge's \"Profane"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2426.23,"endTime":2429.47,"body":"Faith,\" with ANOTHER friend of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2429.47,"endTime":2433.16,"body":"the pod, James H. Hill Jr."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2429.47,"endTime":2433.16,"body":"Frankly, Jorge and James are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2433.16,"endTime":2436.28,"body":"like, thinker BFFAE goals, so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2433.16,"endTime":2436.28,"body":"you should listen to that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2436.28,"endTime":2440.3,"body":"podcast. It's a joy, frankly."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2436.28,"endTime":2440.3,"body":"And, like I've said before, go"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2440.3,"endTime":2447.53,"body":"follow him on Twitter. He is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2440.3,"endTime":2447.53,"body":"@JJrodV. Beyond Dr. Rodriguez's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2447.53,"endTime":2451.88,"body":"work, I recommend my former"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2447.53,"endTime":2451.88,"body":"colleague, Dr. Todne Thomas, who"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2451.88,"endTime":2455.54,"body":"is mandatory reading on black"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2451.88,"endTime":2455.54,"body":"evangelicals who, quite frankly,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2455.54,"endTime":2459.77,"body":"before meeting her, I did not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2455.54,"endTime":2459.77,"body":"really think much about or know"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2459.77,"endTime":2464.33,"body":"The Making of Black Evangelical"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2464.33,"endTime":2467.18,"body":"Sociality\" is available through"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2464.33,"endTime":2467.18,"body":"Duke. It just came out last"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2467.18,"endTime":2470.3,"body":"fall. It's super great. And I'll"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2467.18,"endTime":2470.3,"body":"link to a couple of public"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2470.63,"endTime":2475.13,"body":"profiles and podcasts about it."},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2470.63,"endTime":2475.13,"body":"She also has an article in the"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2475.16,"endTime":2477.62,"body":"JAAR, the Journal of the"},{"speaker":"existed. So, her book \"Kincraft","startTime":2475.16,"endTime":2477.62,"body":"American Academy of Religion,"},{"speaker":"existed. 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Joseph's \"Christianity in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2517.62,"endTime":2521.61,"body":"India: the AntiColonial Turn.\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2521.82,"endTime":2524.82,"body":"It came out last year and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2521.82,"endTime":2524.82,"body":"frankly, it thinks about how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2524.82,"endTime":2529.71,"body":"South Indian Christians were"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2524.82,"endTime":2529.71,"body":"utterly engaged in anticolonial,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2529.74,"endTime":2531.78,"body":"anti-imperial work. Super smart."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2531.93,"endTime":2532.29,"body":"Nice!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2532.6,"endTime":2533.98,"body":"And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2532.6,"endTime":2533.98,"body":"then, my colleague and bud"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2534.01,"endTime":2537.97,"body":"Timothy Dobe's book also does"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2534.01,"endTime":2537.97,"body":"smart work! And it's about--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2537.97,"endTime":2541.36,"body":"it's called \"Hindu Christian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2537.97,"endTime":2541.36,"body":"Faqir: Modern Monks, Global"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2541.36,"endTime":2543.85,"body":"Christianity, and Indian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2541.36,"endTime":2543.85,"body":"Sainthood.\" It's a lot more"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2543.85,"endTime":2546.61,"body":"about the multiplicity of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2543.85,"endTime":2546.61,"body":"religions, but it is thinking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2546.61,"endTime":2549.97,"body":"about this global Christianity"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2546.61,"endTime":2549.97,"body":"as a system, and how that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2549.97,"endTime":2555.1,"body":"functions. 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