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Buddhism is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":752.05,"endTime":753.88,"body":"enormous."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":753.91,"endTime":754.66,"body":"Checks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":753.91,"endTime":754.66,"body":"out."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":754.75,"endTime":756.52,"body":"Yep. 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Mahayana"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1115.51,"endTime":1119.44,"body":"Buddhism is a range of Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1119.44,"endTime":1122.89,"body":"practices, so maybe you've heard"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1119.44,"endTime":1122.89,"body":"of Han, or Pure Land, or Zen, or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1122.89,"endTime":1126.28,"body":"Tibetan Buddhism. These are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1122.89,"endTime":1126.28,"body":"often categorized under the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1126.31,"endTime":1127.45,"body":"Mahayana umbrella."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1127.72,"endTime":1131.44,"body":"Okay,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1127.72,"endTime":1131.44,"body":"wait. Back up. 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Thank you."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1304.0,"endTime":1306.668,"body":"Anyway. 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We were NOT"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1395.63,"endTime":1398.9,"body":"joking when we said that if"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1398.9,"endTime":1401.21,"body":"Buddhism is what Buddhists do,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1398.9,"endTime":1401.21,"body":"then these are some messy,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1401.21,"endTime":1402.65,"body":"delightful, creative traditions."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1403.61,"endTime":1407.45,"body":"Alright,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1403.61,"endTime":1407.45,"body":"well... that-- that's a lot. But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1407.48,"endTime":1410.84,"body":"I also want to say, I gave you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1407.48,"endTime":1410.84,"body":"hell with my wild questions this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1410.84,"endTime":1415.4,"body":"time. And it might be enough of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1410.84,"endTime":1415.4,"body":"us. I think this is a good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1415.4,"endTime":1417.53,"body":"moment to let an actual expert--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1417.65,"endTime":1418.01,"body":"Love it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1418.04,"endTime":1420.8,"body":"--the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1418.04,"endTime":1420.8,"body":"brilliant Dr. Chen, who is, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1420.8,"endTime":1424.13,"body":"remind you, both an expert on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1420.8,"endTime":1424.13,"body":"Chinese Buddhism as well as a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1424.13,"endTime":1427.88,"body":"Buddhist nun. She's got a lot to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1424.13,"endTime":1427.88,"body":"teach us, and I'm really excited"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1427.88,"endTime":1429.23,"body":"to hear what she's got to say."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1429.59,"endTime":1430.16,"body":"Yeah!"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1432.28,"endTime":1435.28,"body":"Hello!"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1432.28,"endTime":1435.28,"body":"My name is Dixuan Yujing Chen."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1435.52,"endTime":1440.08,"body":"My research and teaching focuses"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1435.52,"endTime":1440.08,"body":"on Mahayana Buddhism, Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1440.08,"endTime":1444.64,"body":"practices and beliefs, and the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1440.08,"endTime":1444.64,"body":"history of Chinese Buddhism. I'm"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1444.64,"endTime":1449.68,"body":"also interested in issues"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1444.64,"endTime":1449.68,"body":"related to religious healing and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1449.68,"endTime":1454.21,"body":"health. I care that folks, my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1449.68,"endTime":1454.21,"body":"students, my neighbor, my mom,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1454.24,"endTime":1458.74,"body":"my nephew, know about what I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1454.24,"endTime":1458.74,"body":"study because religion is the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1458.74,"endTime":1464.98,"body":"essential part of human life."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1458.74,"endTime":1464.98,"body":"What I wish people knew about"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1464.98,"endTime":1469.33,"body":"Chinese Buddhism is that don't"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1464.98,"endTime":1469.33,"body":"confuse Chinese Buddhism with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1469.36,"endTime":1473.68,"body":"Tibetan Buddhism. It's very"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1469.36,"endTime":1473.68,"body":"often people say that Tibet is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1473.68,"endTime":1478.54,"body":"located in part of China, so"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1473.68,"endTime":1478.54,"body":"Tibetan Buddhism is the same as"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1478.54,"endTime":1483.58,"body":"Chinese Buddhism. In reality,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1478.54,"endTime":1483.58,"body":"it’s not true. Historically,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1483.61,"endTime":1488.17,"body":"they are different. Buddhism was"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1483.61,"endTime":1488.17,"body":"introduced to China in the 1st"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1488.17,"endTime":1492.43,"body":"century. On the other hand,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1488.17,"endTime":1492.43,"body":"Tibetan Buddhism developed from"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1492.46,"endTime":1498.25,"body":"7th or 8th century. Due to their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1492.46,"endTime":1498.25,"body":"different geographical location,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1498.61,"endTime":1503.08,"body":"they interact with different"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1498.61,"endTime":1503.08,"body":"local culture. For example,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1503.14,"endTime":1507.79,"body":"Tibetan Buddhism has been"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1503.14,"endTime":1507.79,"body":"influenced by cultures in north"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1507.79,"endTime":1513.1,"body":"India and Nepal, but in Chinese"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1507.79,"endTime":1513.1,"body":"Buddhism, many interact with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1513.13,"endTime":1518.02,"body":"Taoism and some folk religions"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1513.13,"endTime":1518.02,"body":"in central China. Sometimes"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1518.02,"endTime":1522.91,"body":"students feel confused about"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1518.02,"endTime":1522.91,"body":"those two traditions. Another"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1522.91,"endTime":1527.38,"body":"thing deserves our attention is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1522.91,"endTime":1527.38,"body":"that the Chinese government"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1527.44,"endTime":1532.54,"body":"develops different attitudes"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1527.44,"endTime":1532.54,"body":"toward traditions in Tibet and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1532.57,"endTime":1537.73,"body":"in mainland China. For Buddhism"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1532.57,"endTime":1537.73,"body":"developed in mainland China, the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1537.76,"endTime":1543.4,"body":"Chinese government usually has a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1537.76,"endTime":1543.4,"body":"more generous attitude. But for"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1543.4,"endTime":1548.53,"body":"Tibetan Buddhism, it’s usually"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1543.4,"endTime":1548.53,"body":"under more rigid control."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1550.18,"endTime":1555.13,"body":"Buddhist tradition in China and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1550.18,"endTime":1555.13,"body":"the West are very different. In"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1555.13,"endTime":1560.68,"body":"the West, most popular one will"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1555.13,"endTime":1560.68,"body":"be Zen. People are interested in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1560.71,"endTime":1566.77,"body":"mindfulness or meditation. They"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1560.71,"endTime":1566.77,"body":"will say it's very relaxing,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1566.8,"endTime":1573.61,"body":"peaceful. So, I may hear people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1566.8,"endTime":1573.61,"body":"say “I'm so zen.” They may be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1573.64,"endTime":1578.86,"body":"influenced by the counterculture"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1573.64,"endTime":1578.86,"body":"movement in the United States in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1578.86,"endTime":1586.63,"body":"the 1960s and 1970s. In East"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1578.86,"endTime":1586.63,"body":"Asian countries, *inaudible*"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1586.66,"endTime":1591.88,"body":"Korea, China, Japan, they have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1586.66,"endTime":1591.88,"body":"other forms, or other schools,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1591.91,"endTime":1596.98,"body":"of Buddhist tradition. For"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1591.91,"endTime":1596.98,"body":"example, Tendai, or in Japanese,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1597.37,"endTime":1604.15,"body":"Tendai. T-E-N-D-A-I, Tendai."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1597.37,"endTime":1604.15,"body":"This school has philosophical"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1604.18,"endTime":1609.79,"body":"analyses of doctrine. In Japan,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1604.18,"endTime":1609.79,"body":"it has been regarded as the most"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1609.82,"endTime":1615.22,"body":"wonderful teaching of Buddha. In"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1609.82,"endTime":1615.22,"body":"China, there are a monastery"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1615.22,"endTime":1620.65,"body":"dedicated to Tendai practice and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1615.22,"endTime":1620.65,"body":"beliefs. But in the West, this"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1620.68,"endTime":1625.45,"body":"tradition is relatively unknown."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1620.68,"endTime":1625.45,"body":"Another example that can"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1625.48,"endTime":1629.41,"body":"illustrate the differences"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1625.48,"endTime":1629.41,"body":"between Buddhism in China and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1629.41,"endTime":1634.24,"body":"the West is Pure Land tradition."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1629.41,"endTime":1634.24,"body":"In the West, almost everything"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1634.27,"endTime":1638.83,"body":"is about Zen, but in China, the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1634.27,"endTime":1638.83,"body":"most popular one will be Pure"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1638.83,"endTime":1643.51,"body":"Land Buddhism. The major belief"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1638.83,"endTime":1643.51,"body":"in the Pure Land tradition is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1643.51,"endTime":1649.18,"body":"the power of Buddha Amitābha."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1643.51,"endTime":1649.18,"body":"According to the teachings in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1649.18,"endTime":1654.61,"body":"the Pure Land tradition, people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1649.18,"endTime":1654.61,"body":"rely on Amitābha Buddha's power"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1654.67,"endTime":1660.25,"body":"to reach Pure Land. The Pure"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1654.67,"endTime":1660.25,"body":"Land tradition is very much"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1660.28,"endTime":1667.12,"body":"based on faith. Those people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1660.28,"endTime":1667.12,"body":"believe that if they deploy"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1667.12,"endTime":1672.34,"body":"faith in Amitābha Buddha, then"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1667.12,"endTime":1672.34,"body":"they will reach Pure Land after"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1672.34,"endTime":1678.16,"body":"death. If compared with other"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1672.34,"endTime":1678.16,"body":"Buddhist practice, it’s"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1678.16,"endTime":1683.2,"body":"relatively acceptable for most"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1678.16,"endTime":1683.2,"body":"people, including those who are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1683.2,"endTime":1689.23,"body":"not interested in philosophical"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1683.2,"endTime":1689.23,"body":"analysis or doctrine. So, it has"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1689.23,"endTime":1693.94,"body":"been regarded as the easy path"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1689.23,"endTime":1693.94,"body":"of practice. But in the West,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1693.97,"endTime":1699.52,"body":"Pure Land is less popular. I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1693.97,"endTime":1699.52,"body":"asked some Western Buddhists why"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1699.55,"endTime":1703.78,"body":"they don't like Pure Land"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1699.55,"endTime":1703.78,"body":"tradition. Their answer is that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1703.78,"endTime":1708.55,"body":"because it's very similar to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1703.78,"endTime":1708.55,"body":"salvation of God in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1708.55,"endTime":1712.84,"body":"Christianity, so they feel less"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1708.55,"endTime":1712.84,"body":"and less attracted. But in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1712.84,"endTime":1717.76,"body":"Chinese Buddhism, almost every"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1712.84,"endTime":1717.76,"body":"Buddhist temple incorporates"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1717.76,"endTime":1723.52,"body":"Pure Land practice into their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1717.76,"endTime":1723.52,"body":"daily activities. It becomes the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1723.52,"endTime":1728.59,"body":"most prominent element of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1723.52,"endTime":1728.59,"body":"Buddhist tradition in China, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1728.59,"endTime":1734.23,"body":"the same also applies to Korea"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1728.59,"endTime":1734.23,"body":"and Japan. The believer in this"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1734.23,"endTime":1739.42,"body":"tradition is that they will be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1734.23,"endTime":1739.42,"body":"reborn in Amitābha Buddha's Pure"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1739.42,"endTime":1744.22,"body":"Land after death, so there are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1739.42,"endTime":1744.22,"body":"funeral rites and retreats"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1744.25,"endTime":1750.19,"body":"associated with this tradition."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1744.25,"endTime":1750.19,"body":"The major practice in Pure Land"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1750.19,"endTime":1755.08,"body":"tradition is devotional"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1750.19,"endTime":1755.08,"body":"activities and develop faith in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1755.11,"endTime":1760.36,"body":"Amitābha Buddha. If we use"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1755.11,"endTime":1760.36,"body":"ritual as the example, then we"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1760.36,"endTime":1764.65,"body":"can see the differences between"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1760.36,"endTime":1764.65,"body":"Chinese Buddhism and Buddhism in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1764.65,"endTime":1769.93,"body":"the West. The death rights and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1764.65,"endTime":1769.93,"body":"funeral service include"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1769.96,"endTime":1774.97,"body":"recollecting Amitābha Buddha's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1769.96,"endTime":1774.97,"body":"name, chanting Amitābha Buddha"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1774.97,"endTime":1780.82,"body":"sutra, or visualizing Amitābha"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1774.97,"endTime":1780.82,"body":"Buddha's Pure Land. The family"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1780.82,"endTime":1785.59,"body":"will perform those ritual on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1780.82,"endTime":1785.59,"body":"behalf of the death and request"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1785.8,"endTime":1791.05,"body":"Amitābha Buddha's blessing to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1785.8,"endTime":1791.05,"body":"help the death to gain good luck"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1791.08,"endTime":1795.88,"body":"at the underworld and to help"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1791.08,"endTime":1795.88,"body":"the death to be reborn in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1795.88,"endTime":1801.1,"body":"Pure Land. This ritual is less"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1795.88,"endTime":1801.1,"body":"popular among Western Buddhists."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1801.16,"endTime":1805.36,"body":"On the surface, it seems that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1801.16,"endTime":1805.36,"body":"developing faith in god-like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1805.36,"endTime":1809.17,"body":"figures seems very"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1805.36,"endTime":1809.17,"body":"superstitious. So, American"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1809.17,"endTime":1813.4,"body":"Buddhists preferred Zen or"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1809.17,"endTime":1813.4,"body":"meditation. It seems that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1813.43,"endTime":1818.83,"body":"meditation is more logical, more"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1813.43,"endTime":1818.83,"body":"reasonable. These phenomena tell"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1818.89,"endTime":1823.84,"body":"us the Orientalist approach to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1818.89,"endTime":1823.84,"body":"see Buddhism in the West. People"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1823.84,"endTime":1828.61,"body":"tend to assume that Zen is more"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1823.84,"endTime":1828.61,"body":"logical, more scientific. In"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1828.61,"endTime":1833.62,"body":"reality, religion has multiple"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1828.61,"endTime":1833.62,"body":"dimensions, no matter the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1833.62,"endTime":1838.06,"body":"devotional practice or logical"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1833.62,"endTime":1838.06,"body":"thinking. They are in terrible"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1838.06,"endTime":1842.89,"body":"parts of religion. The Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1838.06,"endTime":1842.89,"body":"tradition in the world religion"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1842.89,"endTime":1847.9,"body":"model has two major issue. 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The core of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1863.5,"endTime":1867.85,"body":"Buddhist tradition is the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1867.85,"endTime":1873.88,"body":"Buddha's teaching, a so-called"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1867.85,"endTime":1873.88,"body":"dharma. Not all of the Buddhists"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1873.88,"endTime":1881.05,"body":"practice and believe in dharma"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1873.88,"endTime":1881.05,"body":"the same way. We can use the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1881.05,"endTime":1885.85,"body":"term Buddhism in a conventional"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1881.05,"endTime":1885.85,"body":"sense, but we shouldn't overlook"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1885.85,"endTime":1891.85,"body":"its diverse, multiple angles."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1885.85,"endTime":1891.85,"body":"Another issue is text centralism"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1891.88,"endTime":1896.23,"body":"in the world religion model."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1891.88,"endTime":1896.23,"body":"Sacred texts– Bible scriptures–"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1896.29,"endTime":1901.78,"body":"are the center of world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1896.29,"endTime":1901.78,"body":"religions. Because Buddhism has"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1901.81,"endTime":1907.87,"body":"classical texts, it seems it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1901.81,"endTime":1907.87,"body":"civilized, well developed, just"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1907.87,"endTime":1913.3,"body":"like Christianity, so Buddhism"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1907.87,"endTime":1913.3,"body":"has been considered as part of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1913.3,"endTime":1918.88,"body":"world religions. But canonical"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1913.3,"endTime":1918.88,"body":"text is only a small part of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1918.88,"endTime":1923.65,"body":"Buddhism. Buddhist tradition"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1918.88,"endTime":1923.65,"body":"also has its own community,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1923.68,"endTime":1927.61,"body":"meditation, ritual, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1923.68,"endTime":1927.61,"body":"priorities that may not be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1927.61,"endTime":1934.09,"body":"recorded in sacred texts. Texts"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1927.61,"endTime":1934.09,"body":"are essential and significant,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1934.66,"endTime":1938.44,"body":"but Buddhist traditions have"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1934.66,"endTime":1938.44,"body":"been developed for more than"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1938.47,"endTime":1943.78,"body":"2500 years. In the ancient times"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1938.47,"endTime":1943.78,"body":"and medieval times, Buddhists"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1943.78,"endTime":1949.6,"body":"were not always literate. Many"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1943.78,"endTime":1949.6,"body":"of them were illiterate, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1949.6,"endTime":1955.51,"body":"they were unable to read. The"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1949.6,"endTime":1955.51,"body":"well-educated people were the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1955.51,"endTime":1961.57,"body":"minority. The majority of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1955.51,"endTime":1961.57,"body":"Buddhists may never read any"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1961.57,"endTime":1966.91,"body":"text that they exactly engage in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1961.57,"endTime":1966.91,"body":"practicw. The dharma was the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1966.94,"endTime":1971.14,"body":"integral part of their daily"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1966.94,"endTime":1971.14,"body":"life. In the contemporary"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1971.14,"endTime":1978.4,"body":"Buddhism as well, not everyone"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1971.14,"endTime":1978.4,"body":"is interested in scriptures. Our"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1978.4,"endTime":1983.38,"body":"dietary habits, or our food"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1978.4,"endTime":1983.38,"body":"choices, reflect our beliefs."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1983.41,"endTime":1988.06,"body":"Food choice in Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1983.41,"endTime":1988.06,"body":"traditions indicate the multiple"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1988.09,"endTime":1993.88,"body":"angles and the complexity of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1988.09,"endTime":1993.88,"body":"this religion. Some people may"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1993.88,"endTime":1997.96,"body":"say that “Oh, all of the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1993.88,"endTime":1997.96,"body":"Buddhists should be vegetarian.”"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1998.44,"endTime":2002.76,"body":"Or some people may even say that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":1998.44,"endTime":2002.76,"body":"“no, Buddhists should be vegan.”"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2003.87,"endTime":2008.85,"body":"This is a controversial"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2003.87,"endTime":2008.85,"body":"assumption. Some Buddhists"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2008.85,"endTime":2013.68,"body":"decide to be a vegetarian"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2008.85,"endTime":2013.68,"body":"because they believe that all"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2013.68,"endTime":2019.05,"body":"human beings are interconnected."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2013.68,"endTime":2019.05,"body":"We, as human beings, we are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2019.08,"endTime":2023.46,"body":"interrelated with animals,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2019.08,"endTime":2023.46,"body":"environment, the Mother Earth–"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2023.49,"endTime":2029.79,"body":"so being a vegetarian means"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2023.49,"endTime":2029.79,"body":"their practice of compassion,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2030.03,"endTime":2036.06,"body":"their practice of non-killing,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2030.03,"endTime":2036.06,"body":"don't hurt any other animals, or"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2036.06,"endTime":2042.06,"body":"protect their Mother Earth. But,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2036.06,"endTime":2042.06,"body":"if we trace the history back to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2042.06,"endTime":2047.79,"body":"the historical Buddha's time,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2042.06,"endTime":2047.79,"body":"monks ate whatever they received"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2047.79,"endTime":2054.39,"body":"from lay people. Their practice"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2047.79,"endTime":2054.39,"body":"of compassion was not to ask"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2054.45,"endTime":2059.16,"body":"other people to kill, not"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2054.45,"endTime":2059.16,"body":"commission any animals to be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2059.16,"endTime":2063.12,"body":"killed. So, contemporary"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2059.16,"endTime":2063.12,"body":"Buddhists may accept meat-eating"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2063.15,"endTime":2067.74,"body":"with a sense of gratitude toward"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2063.15,"endTime":2067.74,"body":"food. The practice about"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2067.74,"endTime":2073.59,"body":"meat-eating or not is actually"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2067.74,"endTime":2073.59,"body":"illustrating multiple angles of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2073.62,"endTime":2079.11,"body":"Buddhist traditions. We should"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2073.62,"endTime":2079.11,"body":"not judge someone because of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2079.11,"endTime":2084.84,"body":"their meat-eating, or saying"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2079.11,"endTime":2084.84,"body":"that they are not Buddhist, they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2084.93,"endTime":2090.33,"body":"are not compassionate. There is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2084.93,"endTime":2090.33,"body":"one anecdote that I would like"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2090.33,"endTime":2096.03,"body":"to share with you. When I did"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2090.33,"endTime":2096.03,"body":"research in Taiwan, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2096.03,"endTime":2100.86,"body":"interviewed Buddhists and asked"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2096.03,"endTime":2100.86,"body":"their views towards Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2100.86,"endTime":2105.27,"body":"doctrines and to know whether"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2100.86,"endTime":2105.27,"body":"they exactly study Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2105.27,"endTime":2109.92,"body":"scriptures, so-called sutra. In"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2105.27,"endTime":2109.92,"body":"Taiwan, most people are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2109.92,"endTime":2115.11,"body":"literate. They are able to read,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2109.92,"endTime":2115.11,"body":"they are able to study, but they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2115.11,"endTime":2120.27,"body":"might not be interested in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2115.11,"endTime":2120.27,"body":"learning Buddhist sutras. I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2120.27,"endTime":2125.4,"body":"interviewed most Buddhists in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2120.27,"endTime":2125.4,"body":"the popular Buddhist temple, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2125.4,"endTime":2129.9,"body":"I asked them two questions. The"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2125.4,"endTime":2129.9,"body":"first question is: can you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2129.9,"endTime":2134.28,"body":"explain the Four Noble Truths?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2129.9,"endTime":2134.28,"body":"The second question is whether"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2134.28,"endTime":2140.7,"body":"or not you study Agama or Nikāya"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2134.28,"endTime":2140.7,"body":"sutra. Those texts are the very"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2140.7,"endTime":2145.11,"body":"first Buddhist scriptures that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2140.7,"endTime":2145.11,"body":"represent early Buddhism. What"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2145.11,"endTime":2153.12,"body":"surprised me was that about 70%"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2145.11,"endTime":2153.12,"body":"of the people saying that they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2153.12,"endTime":2159.09,"body":"never study Agama or Nikāya,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2153.12,"endTime":2159.09,"body":"those early Buddhist texts, but"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2159.09,"endTime":2163.11,"body":"they identify themselves as"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2159.09,"endTime":2163.11,"body":"Buddhists, and they claim that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2163.11,"endTime":2168.33,"body":"they are sincere Buddhists. So I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2163.11,"endTime":2168.33,"body":"asked them, what do you do and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2168.33,"endTime":2172.71,"body":"why do you identify yourself as"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2168.33,"endTime":2172.71,"body":"a Buddhist? They say, “I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2172.71,"endTime":2177.27,"body":"practice it. It’s part of my"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2172.71,"endTime":2177.27,"body":"daily life.” They may never"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2177.27,"endTime":2181.83,"body":"study Buddhist doctrines, but"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2177.27,"endTime":2181.83,"body":"they are the volunteers in the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2181.83,"endTime":2187.8,"body":"temple. Those Buddhists made new"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2181.83,"endTime":2187.8,"body":"friends in the temple, and they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2187.8,"endTime":2192.87,"body":"visit there regularly in order"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2187.8,"endTime":2192.87,"body":"to establish social networks."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2193.53,"endTime":2198.75,"body":"This experience let me realize"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2193.53,"endTime":2198.75,"body":"that we scholars always focus on"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2198.75,"endTime":2204.48,"body":"doctrine, teachings, scriptures."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2198.75,"endTime":2204.48,"body":"But for people, they may care"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2204.48,"endTime":2209.55,"body":"about their social life."},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2204.48,"endTime":2209.55,"body":"Religion provides a way to bring"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2209.55,"endTime":2214.23,"body":"people together. Most"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2209.55,"endTime":2214.23,"body":"importantly, religion allows"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2214.23,"endTime":2216.69,"body":"people to develop their own"},{"speaker":"Dr. Dixuan Yujing Chen","startTime":2214.23,"endTime":2216.69,"body":"social life."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2219.78,"endTime":2221.94,"body":"The best part of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2219.78,"endTime":2221.94,"body":"this extended season is how many"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2221.94,"endTime":2223.92,"body":"folks are willing to share their"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2221.94,"endTime":2223.92,"body":"expertise with us. 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Interesting."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2270.48,"endTime":2271.02,"body":"Shock."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2271.38,"endTime":2275.07,"body":"I know. And awe."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2271.38,"endTime":2275.07,"body":"But now it's time to move on to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2275.16,"endTime":2276.36,"body":"A Little Bit, Leave It!"},{"speaker":"A Little Bit Leave It","startTime":2280.74,"endTime":2281.61,"body":"*A Little"},{"speaker":"A Little Bit Leave It","startTime":2280.74,"endTime":2281.61,"body":"Bit, Leave It*"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2283.41,"endTime":2287.04,"body":"Where we give you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2283.41,"endTime":2287.04,"body":"a little bit to leave you with."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2288.6,"endTime":2290.85,"body":"Clearly, the most important"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2288.6,"endTime":2290.85,"body":"thing about this episode is the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2290.85,"endTime":2293.85,"body":"part where Levar Burton liked a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2290.85,"endTime":2293.85,"body":"thing I did. 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