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So they've seen a Buddha, or they've heard of Nirvana, and they're babies, so they don't know if that's a religion thing or a band or a t-shirt from Urban Outfitters thing-- but maybe they can recognize phrases like \"Four Noble Truths,\" or \"Eight-fold Path\" or \"monk.\" Which is to say that I propose we tackle those words that are familiar, but not quite understood, and then mess 'em up with our usual brand of complicating, complexifying facts, figures, and maybe"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":230.85,"endTime":260.7,"body":"theories."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":263.18,"endTime":267.89,"body":"delightful, if I don't say so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":263.18,"endTime":267.89,"body":"myself! 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Absolutely!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":353.0,"endTime":356.96,"body":"But the thing is, in the world"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":356.96,"endTime":361.64,"body":"religions model we're stuck with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":356.96,"endTime":361.64,"body":"texts. *sighs* And one of the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":361.64,"endTime":364.67,"body":"most textual things about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":361.64,"endTime":364.67,"body":"world religions model is ALSO to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":364.67,"endTime":368.15,"body":"prioritize origins, and early"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":364.67,"endTime":368.15,"body":"writings, and the so-called"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":368.18,"endTime":371.24,"body":"\"fundamentals\" of a religion."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":368.18,"endTime":371.24,"body":"Which means that \"Four Noble"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":371.24,"endTime":375.11,"body":"Truths\" gets repeated a lot,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":371.24,"endTime":375.11,"body":"gets featured heavily in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":375.11,"endTime":379.85,"body":"textbooks about Buddhas, the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":375.11,"endTime":379.85,"body":"encyclopedia pages. 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What I have learned is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":850.5,"endTime":853.77,"body":"that monastic orders serve"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":850.5,"endTime":853.77,"body":"social roles, maybe even more so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":853.77,"endTime":855.12,"body":"than theological ones."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":855.21,"endTime":855.63,"body":"Okay!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":855.81,"endTime":857.58,"body":"They"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":855.81,"endTime":857.58,"body":"are meant to be examples to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":857.58,"endTime":861.51,"body":"their community about what a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":857.58,"endTime":861.51,"body":"Buddhist looks like, like, in a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":861.51,"endTime":865.29,"body":"physical way, like a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":861.51,"endTime":865.29,"body":"performative way, but also in,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":865.29,"endTime":869.82,"body":"like, a ideological way. 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These folks,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1494.62,"endTime":1497.62,"body":"who we'd normally call in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1494.62,"endTime":1497.62,"body":"English \"priests,\" can be"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1497.62,"endTime":1501.1,"body":"married, they can have children,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1497.62,"endTime":1501.1,"body":"and they can drink alcohol. So,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1501.1,"endTime":1504.91,"body":"you've got-- you've got people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1501.1,"endTime":1504.91,"body":"who are Buddhist leaders in two"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1504.91,"endTime":1509.32,"body":"different countries who live"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1504.91,"endTime":1509.32,"body":"radically different lives. And"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1509.35,"endTime":1511.6,"body":"you can find this kind of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1509.35,"endTime":1511.6,"body":"diversity everywhere across the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1511.6,"endTime":1516.52,"body":"Buddhist world. There's not"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1511.6,"endTime":1516.52,"body":"really any single holiday or"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1516.52,"endTime":1521.41,"body":"ritual that all Buddhists"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1516.52,"endTime":1521.41,"body":"practice or follow. 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But honestly,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1553.36,"endTime":1558.07,"body":"you know, while most Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1553.36,"endTime":1558.07,"body":"countries celebrate the guy that"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1558.07,"endTime":1561.58,"body":"we call the historical Buddha,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1558.07,"endTime":1561.58,"body":"they don't do it all in the same"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1561.58,"endTime":1567.4,"body":"way or at the same time, even."},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1561.58,"endTime":1567.4,"body":"What's interesting to me,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1567.4,"endTime":1572.56,"body":"though, is that vesak has become"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1567.4,"endTime":1572.56,"body":"a much more universal holiday,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1573.34,"endTime":1578.17,"body":"having become recognized by the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1573.34,"endTime":1578.17,"body":"United Nations, and there are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1578.17,"endTime":1581.41,"body":"now Buddhist universities,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1578.17,"endTime":1581.41,"body":"particularly in Southeast Asia,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1582.25,"endTime":1589.15,"body":"that organize conferences to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1582.25,"endTime":1589.15,"body":"celebrate this day. But in some"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1589.15,"endTime":1592.57,"body":"ways, this is more interesting,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1589.15,"endTime":1592.57,"body":"because it's at least partly"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1592.57,"endTime":1596.35,"body":"about Buddhists becoming-- you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1592.57,"endTime":1596.35,"body":"know, in Thailand or in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1596.35,"endTime":1600.52,"body":"Vietnam-- about Buddhists"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1596.35,"endTime":1600.52,"body":"becoming aware of how, quote"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1600.52,"endTime":1606.91,"body":"unquote, \"religions\" or \"world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1600.52,"endTime":1606.91,"body":"religions\" act. That,you know,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1606.91,"endTime":1609.67,"body":"we can, we can see another"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1606.91,"endTime":1609.67,"body":"manifestation of this in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1609.67,"endTime":1616.66,"body":"Singapore, where the government"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1609.67,"endTime":1616.66,"body":"recognizes different religions"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1616.78,"endTime":1619.96,"body":"as having-- and different"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1616.78,"endTime":1619.96,"body":"ethnicities-- as having a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1619.96,"endTime":1626.74,"body":"holiday that is special to them."},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1619.96,"endTime":1626.74,"body":"So, for example, Christians get"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1626.74,"endTime":1632.38,"body":"to celebrate Christmas as a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1626.74,"endTime":1632.38,"body":"national holiday in Singapore."},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1634.51,"endTime":1642.49,"body":"And for Buddhists, vesak is"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1634.51,"endTime":1642.49,"body":"their special holiday. 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Men-- and it's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1667.39,"endTime":1674.11,"body":"primarily men-- in Theravada"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1674.11,"endTime":1678.01,"body":"Buddhism, which is normally"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1674.11,"endTime":1678.01,"body":"associated with mainland"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1678.01,"endTime":1687.49,"body":"Southeast Asia and Sri Lanka,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1678.01,"endTime":1687.49,"body":"will become a monk for a short"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1687.49,"endTime":1694.03,"body":"period of time, ranging usually"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1687.49,"endTime":1694.03,"body":"from two weeks, to three months,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1694.06,"endTime":1698.83,"body":"to an entire lifetime. And in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1694.06,"endTime":1698.83,"body":"that period of time, they take"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1698.83,"endTime":1701.92,"body":"on the full responsibility of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1698.83,"endTime":1701.92,"body":"being monks, they shave their"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1701.92,"endTime":1706.03,"body":"heads, they wear their-- they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1701.92,"endTime":1706.03,"body":"wear robes, they don't eat after"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1706.03,"endTime":1713.86,"body":"noon, and they are supposed to,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1706.03,"endTime":1713.86,"body":"you know, follow all of those"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1713.86,"endTime":1717.91,"body":"rules. And then, when they"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1713.86,"endTime":1717.91,"body":"decide that they're done-- and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1717.91,"endTime":1720.94,"body":"they may decide that they're"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1717.91,"endTime":1720.94,"body":"done for any number of reasons--"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1721.27,"endTime":1727.3,"body":"they simply have to say, \"I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1721.27,"endTime":1727.3,"body":"renounce being a monk,\""},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1727.39,"endTime":1732.73,"body":"essentially, in the presence of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1727.39,"endTime":1732.73,"body":"another monk. And then they,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1732.76,"endTime":1738.58,"body":"they're disrobed! 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So, people in Southwest"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1755.89,"endTime":1759.82,"body":"China have have told me that it"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1755.89,"endTime":1759.82,"body":"used to be the case that if you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1759.82,"endTime":1763.66,"body":"wanted to get married, at some"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1759.82,"endTime":1763.66,"body":"point in your life, you had to"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1763.66,"endTime":1767.59,"body":"first become a monk, because"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1763.66,"endTime":1767.59,"body":"that was how you became, you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1767.59,"endTime":1772.36,"body":"know, a full, proper, civilized"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1767.59,"endTime":1772.36,"body":"adult. But again, that's"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1772.78,"endTime":1777.25,"body":"primarily associated with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1772.78,"endTime":1777.25,"body":"Southeast Asia and not with"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1777.25,"endTime":1782.29,"body":"other parts of the Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1777.25,"endTime":1782.29,"body":"world. The main way that people"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1782.29,"endTime":1787.06,"body":"view Buddhism within world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1782.29,"endTime":1787.06,"body":"religions-- I think there are"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1787.06,"endTime":1792.52,"body":"two things that I would-- that I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1787.06,"endTime":1792.52,"body":"would point to. 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That it's a philosophy"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1796.63,"endTime":1799.78,"body":"based on the reduction of"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1796.63,"endTime":1799.78,"body":"suffering, and that Buddhists"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1799.78,"endTime":1805.99,"body":"are very, very peaceful people."},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1799.78,"endTime":1805.99,"body":"Part of this comes from the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1805.99,"endTime":1813.58,"body":"idea, you know, the ideas from"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1805.99,"endTime":1813.58,"body":"from Max Weber, that Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1813.67,"endTime":1818.98,"body":"monks and nuns were people who"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1813.67,"endTime":1818.98,"body":"were focused on other worldly"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1818.98,"endTime":1824.77,"body":"ascetic practices, and so, monks"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1818.98,"endTime":1824.77,"body":"and nuns are primarily focused"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1824.77,"endTime":1831.25,"body":"on attaining nirvana, you know,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1824.77,"endTime":1831.25,"body":"which means, essentially, escape"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1831.25,"endTime":1835.24,"body":"from the wheel of samsara, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1831.25,"endTime":1835.24,"body":"are not really focused on the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1835.24,"endTime":1840.82,"body":"contemporary world. The world"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1835.24,"endTime":1840.82,"body":"religions paradigm also"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1840.82,"endTime":1847.48,"body":"emphasizes texts, and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1840.82,"endTime":1847.48,"body":"the teachings of the Buddha, and"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1847.54,"endTime":1852.64,"body":"ignores what people do, how"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1847.54,"endTime":1852.64,"body":"Buddhists have acted over the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Thomas Borchert","startTime":1852.64,"endTime":1861.61,"body":"years. 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So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2758.96,"endTime":2762.71,"body":"PhDs, and monks, and-- like, all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2758.96,"endTime":2762.71,"body":"in one volume. So it's a really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2762.71,"endTime":2766.58,"body":"great volume, but a little bit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2762.71,"endTime":2766.58,"body":"expensive, so ask your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2766.58,"endTime":2769.28,"body":"University library to pick it up"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2766.58,"endTime":2769.28,"body":"or ILL it from your local"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2769.28,"endTime":2769.82,"body":"library."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2769.88,"endTime":2770.39,"body":"Love that!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2770.54,"endTime":2772.82,"body":"Then"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2770.54,"endTime":2772.82,"body":"there's an article called \"Belt"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2773.03,"endTime":2776.15,"body":"Religion"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2773.03,"endTime":2776.15,"body":"Making and the Rebuilding of"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2776.15,"endTime":2779.81,"body":"Minority Buddhism in the Reform"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2776.15,"endTime":2779.81,"body":"Era,\" which is in the Journal of"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2779.81,"endTime":2783.26,"body":"Review of Religion and Chinese"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2779.81,"endTime":2783.26,"body":"society. There's one of my"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2783.26,"endTime":2785.48,"body":"favorite things that he's"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2783.26,"endTime":2785.48,"body":"written, which is called \"Bad"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2785.48,"endTime":2788.72,"body":"Gifts, Community Standards, and"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2785.48,"endTime":2788.72,"body":"the Disciplining of Theravāda"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2788.72,"endTime":2791.9,"body":"Monks\" in the Journal of"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2788.72,"endTime":2791.9,"body":"Contemporary Religion, and it's"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2791.93,"endTime":2795.29,"body":"all about, like, when is a gift"},{"speaker":"and Road Buddhists","startTime":2791.93,"endTime":2795.29,"body":"bad, and why do monks still have"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2795.29,"endTime":2799.61,"body":"it"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2795.29,"endTime":2799.61,"body":"is about drinking, even though"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2799.64,"endTime":2802.88,"body":"one is not supposed to drink."},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2799.64,"endTime":2802.88,"body":"It's fascinating stuff. But an"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2802.91,"endTime":2806.18,"body":"early, early, early version of"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2802.91,"endTime":2806.18,"body":"him playing around with this"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2806.21,"endTime":2809.93,"body":"article showed up on the"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2806.21,"endTime":2809.93,"body":"Religion department's blog, so I"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2809.93,"endTime":2814.46,"body":"will also link to that. And"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2809.93,"endTime":2814.46,"body":"then, very recently, my last Tom"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2814.46,"endTime":2819.11,"body":"stan moment-- Tom had a piece"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2814.46,"endTime":2819.11,"body":"come out in The Conversation,"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2819.92,"endTime":2822.5,"body":"titled \"Why Buddhist monks"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2819.92,"endTime":2822.5,"body":"collect alms and visit"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2822.5,"endTime":2825.5,"body":"households even in times of"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2822.5,"endTime":2825.5,"body":"social distancing,\" which is"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2825.53,"endTime":2829.34,"body":"about COVID, religion, and what"},{"speaker":"to accept it? Spoiler alert","startTime":2825.53,"endTime":2829.34,"body":"people do."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2829.58,"endTime":2830.51,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2829.58,"endTime":2830.51,"body":"interesting."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2831.2,"endTime":2832.97,"body":"I've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2831.2,"endTime":2832.97,"body":"got three other recs. So, first"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2832.97,"endTime":2836.57,"body":"and foremost is Donald Swearer's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2832.97,"endTime":2836.57,"body":"\"Becoming the Buddha: The Ritual"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2836.57,"endTime":2840.05,"body":"and Image Consecration in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2836.57,"endTime":2840.05,"body":"Thailand.\" It's a great, classic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2840.05,"endTime":2844.13,"body":"kind of book from an old"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2840.05,"endTime":2844.13,"body":"professor of mine. There's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2844.13,"endTime":2850.31,"body":"Alexander Hsu's work on medieval"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2844.13,"endTime":2850.31,"body":"Chinese text. There's a YouTube"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2850.31,"endTime":2853.58,"body":"clip that I've got, in case all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2850.31,"endTime":2853.58,"body":"this reading isn't your jam,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2853.61,"endTime":2858.71,"body":"nerds. I've got a really great"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2853.61,"endTime":2858.71,"body":"interview with Kodo Nishimura by"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2859.61,"endTime":2863.48,"body":"Tony McNicol, called \"This Monk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2859.61,"endTime":2863.48,"body":"Wears Heels,\" and it's all about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2863.93,"endTime":2866.96,"body":"this Japanese Buddhist monk who"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2863.93,"endTime":2866.96,"body":"is a makeup artist and a drag"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2866.96,"endTime":2870.38,"body":"queen, and it's a really great--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2866.96,"endTime":2870.38,"body":"it's a great read in Tricycle."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2870.54,"endTime":2874.89,"body":"Nice! Cool. Cool,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2870.54,"endTime":2874.89,"body":"cool, cool. I do not have nearly"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2874.89,"endTime":2877.92,"body":"so many recommendations today"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2874.89,"endTime":2877.92,"body":"because I don't know that many"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2877.92,"endTime":2881.91,"body":"things about Buddhism, but! I am"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2877.92,"endTime":2881.91,"body":"sure it is deeply dated, but I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2881.91,"endTime":2885.15,"body":"still use clips from PBS's \"The"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2881.91,"endTime":2885.15,"body":"Buddha,\" which is narrated by"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2885.15,"endTime":2888.6,"body":"Richard Gere (which is hilarious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2885.15,"endTime":2888.6,"body":"to me, and my students don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2888.6,"endTime":2890.64,"body":"understand why I think it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2888.6,"endTime":2890.64,"body":"funny because they don't know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2890.64,"endTime":2894.69,"body":"who Richard Gere is, because I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2890.64,"endTime":2894.69,"body":"am old). I have found the bits"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2894.69,"endTime":2897.72,"body":"about the life of the Buddha and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2894.69,"endTime":2897.72,"body":"the interviews with Buddhist"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2897.75,"endTime":2899.82,"body":"monks and nuns about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2897.75,"endTime":2899.82,"body":"practice of meditation"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2899.82,"endTime":2904.59,"body":"particularly useful in teaching,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2899.82,"endTime":2904.59,"body":"so I'll pull out those clips. In"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2904.59,"endTime":2907.89,"body":"conversations about Buddhism in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2904.59,"endTime":2907.89,"body":"my global religions class, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2907.89,"endTime":2911.85,"body":"always include kind of a quick"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2907.89,"endTime":2911.85,"body":"background on the Rohingya"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2911.85,"endTime":2915.15,"body":"genocide, which is still"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2911.85,"endTime":2915.15,"body":"happening in Myanmar. We talked"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2915.15,"endTime":2917.64,"body":"about this a bit in our Smart"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2915.15,"endTime":2917.64,"body":"Grrl Summer episode on religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2917.64,"endTime":2920.76,"body":"nationalism, so you can go back"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2917.64,"endTime":2920.76,"body":"and check that out if you want"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2920.76,"endTime":2923.64,"body":"to learn more. But I also have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2920.76,"endTime":2923.64,"body":"links to helpful explainers on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2923.64,"endTime":2926.07,"body":"the situation. Mostly, I just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2923.64,"endTime":2926.07,"body":"try to make sure that my"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2926.07,"endTime":2928.35,"body":"students don't leave class"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2926.07,"endTime":2928.35,"body":"thinking Buddhism (or any"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2928.35,"endTime":2931.56,"body":"religion, for that matter) is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2928.35,"endTime":2931.56,"body":"only and everywhere a religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2931.59,"endTime":2937.29,"body":"of peace. Because, you know,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2931.59,"endTime":2937.29,"body":"killjoy. Big thanks to those of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2937.29,"endTime":2940.98,"body":"you writing reviews on iTunes,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2937.29,"endTime":2940.98,"body":"Amazon, and Google. It really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2940.98,"endTime":2944.07,"body":"helps. And, if you want to be"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2940.98,"endTime":2944.07,"body":"Nerd of the Week, write us a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2944.07,"endTime":2947.25,"body":"review! That's how we can see"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2944.07,"endTime":2947.25,"body":"your silly handle, you sillies!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2947.91,"endTime":2949.65,"body":"Join"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2947.91,"endTime":2949.65,"body":"us next time for more HISTORY OF"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2949.65,"endTime":2953.4,"body":"THE WORLD (RELIGIONS) PART 1,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2949.65,"endTime":2953.4,"body":"when we chat more about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2953.4,"endTime":2956.97,"body":"Zoroastrianism, and are helped"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2953.4,"endTime":2956.97,"body":"out by guest expert Kainaz"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2957.0,"endTime":2957.63,"body":"Amaria."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2957.75,"endTime":2959.94,"body":"Shoutout to our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2957.75,"endTime":2959.94,"body":"research assistant, Alex"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2959.94,"endTime":2963.42,"body":"Castellano, whose transcription"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2959.94,"endTime":2963.42,"body":"work makes this pod accessible,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2963.42,"endTime":2968.04,"body":"and therefore, awesome. Need"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2963.42,"endTime":2968.04,"body":"more religion nerderie? You know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2968.04,"endTime":2972.0,"body":"you do, and you know where to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2968.04,"endTime":2972.0,"body":"find us. The answer, as always,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2972.33,"endTime":2972.9,"body":"is Twitter."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2973.32,"endTime":2974.85,"body":"You"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2973.32,"endTime":2974.85,"body":"can find Megan on Twitter"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2974.85,"endTime":2980.16,"body":"basically all day, every day,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2974.85,"endTime":2980.16,"body":"@mpgPhD, and you can find me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2980.37,"endTime":2986.91,"body":"@ProfIRMF. You can also find the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2980.37,"endTime":2986.91,"body":"show @KeepingIt_101. Find the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2986.91,"endTime":2990.54,"body":"website at keepingit101.com."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2986.91,"endTime":2990.54,"body":"Check us out on Instagram! And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2990.54,"endTime":2992.7,"body":"with that, peace out, nerds!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2993.0,"endTime":2994.77,"body":"Do your homework!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2993.0,"endTime":2994.77,"body":"It's on the syllabus"},{"speaker":"Bonus Ending","startTime":3012.59,"endTime":3017.24,"body":"*I Swear* by"},{"speaker":"Bonus Ending","startTime":3012.59,"endTime":3017.24,"body":"Stinger"}]}