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I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":414.0,"endTime":418.86,"body":"also assume our nerds are, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":419.55,"endTime":422.01,"body":"maybe onto this already"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":419.55,"endTime":422.01,"body":"because... many of them have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":422.01,"endTime":424.5,"body":"been listening for a while. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":422.01,"endTime":424.5,"body":"maybe we can still shock you!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":424.5,"endTime":425.13,"body":"Let's find out."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":425.52,"endTime":427.29,"body":"Alright."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":425.52,"endTime":427.29,"body":"Like, as we try to shock (and"},{"speaker":"maybe awe) our nerds, can I ask","startTime":427.29,"endTime":433.35,"body":"why museums and not, say, music,"},{"speaker":"maybe awe) our nerds, can I ask","startTime":433.35,"endTime":437.25,"body":"or news, or some other"},{"speaker":"maybe awe) our nerds, can I ask","startTime":433.35,"endTime":437.25,"body":"practical, material example?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":437.85,"endTime":441.3,"body":"Okay, well... for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":437.85,"endTime":441.3,"body":"the record, you picked museums."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":443.49,"endTime":445.02,"body":"*laughs* That's a little"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":443.49,"endTime":445.02,"body":"obnoxious of you to make ME"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":445.02,"endTime":448.35,"body":"explain why, but okay, sure,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":445.02,"endTime":448.35,"body":"fine. Why not? Museums, for me,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":448.35,"endTime":450.75,"body":"represent a lot of what we're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":448.35,"endTime":450.75,"body":"talking about this megaseason,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":450.96,"endTime":454.35,"body":"that's why! First and foremost,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":450.96,"endTime":454.35,"body":"museums are a status thing. They"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":454.35,"endTime":458.91,"body":"are high culture, they're elite."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":454.35,"endTime":458.91,"body":"There's class and race baked"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":458.91,"endTime":462.45,"body":"right into the concept. Who has"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":458.91,"endTime":462.45,"body":"access to museums, who decides"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":462.45,"endTime":465.75,"body":"what is museum worthy-- or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":462.45,"endTime":465.75,"body":"exhibit worthy, what the capital"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":465.75,"endTime":469.35,"body":"value of a collection would be--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":465.75,"endTime":469.35,"body":"all these hit on my most"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":469.38,"endTime":471.72,"body":"favorite clusterfuck of issues,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":469.38,"endTime":471.72,"body":"like gender, race, class,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":471.72,"endTime":476.13,"body":"sexuality, and of course,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":471.72,"endTime":476.13,"body":"religion. Second, and as deeply"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":476.13,"endTime":479.25,"body":"important to me but probably"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":476.13,"endTime":479.25,"body":"more professionally your bag,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":479.28,"endTime":482.55,"body":"museums are literally developed"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":479.28,"endTime":482.55,"body":"as an idea and go from plots of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":482.55,"endTime":488.49,"body":"land to grand buildings filled"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":482.55,"endTime":488.49,"body":"with STUFF, specifically during"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":488.49,"endTime":491.34,"body":"the European colonial and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":488.49,"endTime":491.34,"body":"imperial period. Museums that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":491.34,"endTime":494.37,"body":"claim to be international-- that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":491.34,"endTime":494.37,"body":"represent \"the world\" in any"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":494.37,"endTime":497.07,"body":"capacity-- are, in many ways,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":494.37,"endTime":497.07,"body":"just plundered goods from"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":497.07,"endTime":499.95,"body":"colonized, imperial subjects."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":497.07,"endTime":499.95,"body":"We'll get there. I know you'll"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":499.95,"endTime":503.31,"body":"get us there. Okay, but Ilyse--"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":499.95,"endTime":503.31,"body":"enough of this monologuing. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":503.31,"endTime":507.57,"body":"need you to get into character."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":503.31,"endTime":507.57,"body":"I know, I know. You like the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":507.57,"endTime":510.33,"body":"scripted, stand-up, truth-bomb"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":507.57,"endTime":510.33,"body":"style. But today, I think we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":510.33,"endTime":512.85,"body":"need to take a different"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":510.33,"endTime":512.85,"body":"approach. I want a quiz show"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":513.06,"endTime":516.48,"body":"meets imagination set of games."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":513.06,"endTime":516.48,"body":"Are you in?!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":516.72,"endTime":517.86,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":516.72,"endTime":517.86,"body":"suppose I don't have a choice,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":517.86,"endTime":518.97,"body":"right? Like, we're in this?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":519.0,"endTime":521.7,"body":"Nope. We're here."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":519.0,"endTime":521.7,"body":"Buckle up, buttercup. Alright,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":521.7,"endTime":525.0,"body":"so here's what I want to do. I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":521.7,"endTime":525.0,"body":"going to walk us through some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":525.0,"endTime":529.53,"body":"museums across the world through"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":525.0,"endTime":529.53,"body":"the cutting use of maps-- no,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":529.56,"endTime":532.68,"body":"NOT like nation-state maps, BUT"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":529.56,"endTime":532.68,"body":"those handy-dandy maps that they"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":532.68,"endTime":535.05,"body":"give you at the information desk"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":532.68,"endTime":535.05,"body":"of any museum."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":535.8,"endTime":538.71,"body":"Alright,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":535.8,"endTime":538.71,"body":"that sounds... great, for an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":538.74,"endTime":540.18,"body":"audio medium."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":540.6,"endTime":542.88,"body":"Shut up and play"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":540.6,"endTime":542.88,"body":"along, goddamnit. *chuckles*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":542.88,"endTime":546.45,"body":"Yes,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":542.88,"endTime":546.45,"body":"ma'am. Alright, let's get--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":546.48,"endTime":550.59,"body":"let's get this going. Okay, I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":546.48,"endTime":550.59,"body":"holding a map, I've unfolded"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":550.59,"endTime":554.07,"body":"it-- NEVER to be refolded"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":550.59,"endTime":554.07,"body":"again-- of the Metropolitan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":554.07,"endTime":557.82,"body":"Museum of Art in New York City."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":554.07,"endTime":557.82,"body":"One of the places my dad took me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":557.82,"endTime":560.79,"body":"regularly as a child. I'm here."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":560.94,"endTime":563.88,"body":"SUCH good foley"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":560.94,"endTime":563.88,"body":"work. 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You"},{"speaker":"something up your alley","startTime":597.51,"endTime":600.66,"body":"brought the South Asians and the"},{"speaker":"something up your alley","startTime":600.66,"endTime":607.32,"body":"Jews together, PLUS, Gallery 234"},{"speaker":"something up your alley","startTime":600.66,"endTime":607.32,"body":"through Gallery 243 represent"},{"speaker":"something up your alley","startTime":607.35,"endTime":611.37,"body":"India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and"},{"speaker":"something up your alley","startTime":607.35,"endTime":611.37,"body":"Sri Lanka. 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But I'm... I'm... I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":640.53,"endTime":645.12,"body":"feeling a little lost on my map!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":640.53,"endTime":645.12,"body":"If I'm looking for Christian or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":645.12,"endTime":648.33,"body":"Jewish art, where should I go?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":645.12,"endTime":648.33,"body":"Because like, I'm already pretty"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":648.33,"endTime":652.86,"body":"familiar with Islamic, Hindu,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":648.33,"endTime":652.86,"body":"Buddhist, and Jain art. I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":652.86,"endTime":656.79,"body":"really here to learn! So what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":652.86,"endTime":656.79,"body":"should I do? I don't-- my map is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":656.79,"endTime":658.08,"body":"not helping right now."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":658.56,"endTime":661.05,"body":"Can't find"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":658.56,"endTime":661.05,"body":"Christians-- check. Okay. Let me"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":661.05,"endTime":665.49,"body":"check my maps legend. There..."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":661.05,"endTime":665.49,"body":"is nothing about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":665.52,"endTime":668.01,"body":"Christianity...?Okay. I'm gonna"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":665.52,"endTime":668.01,"body":"use the interactive map"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":668.01,"endTime":670.62,"body":"online... 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But, like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":676.23,"endTime":680.1,"body":"Christian and Jewish do not...?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":676.23,"endTime":680.1,"body":"I'm directed to galleries with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":680.1,"endTime":683.01,"body":"places or genre names, like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":680.1,"endTime":683.01,"body":"\"Italian Sculpture and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":683.01,"endTime":686.73,"body":"Decorative Arts,\" or \"Baroque,\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":683.01,"endTime":686.73,"body":"or \"Renaissance.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":686.82,"endTime":689.7,"body":"Hmm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":686.82,"endTime":689.7,"body":"Goodwin, I think we've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":689.7,"endTime":691.53,"body":"discovered our very first"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":689.7,"endTime":691.53,"body":"problem."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":691.68,"endTime":692.61,"body":"Dun, dun, dun."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":692.76,"endTime":694.35,"body":"In"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":692.76,"endTime":694.35,"body":"this museum, the Metropolitan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":694.35,"endTime":696.78,"body":"Museum of Art, one of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":694.35,"endTime":696.78,"body":"largest in the world and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":696.78,"endTime":700.71,"body":"certainly the most powerful in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":696.78,"endTime":700.71,"body":"the US, religions associated"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":700.71,"endTime":705.81,"body":"with white folk and Europe are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":700.71,"endTime":705.81,"body":"not on the map! Those religions"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":705.81,"endTime":708.72,"body":"are just part of culture. They"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":705.81,"endTime":708.72,"body":"have specific understandings of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":708.72,"endTime":712.02,"body":"time, style, genre that aren't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":708.72,"endTime":712.02,"body":"reserved just for experts, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":712.02,"endTime":717.0,"body":"for all museum visitors. Right?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":712.02,"endTime":717.0,"body":"If Baroque is a word that is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":717.0,"endTime":720.66,"body":"expected to have any meaning"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":717.0,"endTime":720.66,"body":"with the museum-going public,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":721.56,"endTime":724.38,"body":"but Arab Lands is also supposed"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":721.56,"endTime":724.38,"body":"to have meaning with the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":724.38,"endTime":729.03,"body":"museum-going public... Wow. That"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":724.38,"endTime":729.03,"body":"seems to say that religions like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":729.03,"endTime":732.42,"body":"Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism-- not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":729.03,"endTime":732.42,"body":"only are these primary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":732.45,"endTime":736.26,"body":"organizing identity of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":732.45,"endTime":736.26,"body":"objects, but it's... it's sort"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":736.26,"endTime":740.19,"body":"of, like, generic? That our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":736.26,"endTime":740.19,"body":"museum thinks we... that's all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":740.19,"endTime":742.05,"body":"we need to know about Indian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":740.19,"endTime":742.05,"body":"art."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":742.8,"endTime":747.63,"body":"Yeah, yeah. Okay, so what I hear"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":742.8,"endTime":747.63,"body":"you saying, IRMF, is that for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":747.63,"endTime":750.63,"body":"Europeans and Americans-- or,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":747.63,"endTime":750.63,"body":"ugh, under the umbrella of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":750.87,"endTime":753.66,"body":"Judeo-Christian (which, we don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":750.87,"endTime":753.66,"body":"even have time to get into why"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":753.66,"endTime":756.24,"body":"that's a problem)-- religion is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":753.66,"endTime":756.24,"body":"part of it, but it doesn't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":756.27,"endTime":760.2,"body":"define it. 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And it seems like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":826.02,"endTime":830.22,"body":"Europe and North America get to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":826.02,"endTime":830.22,"body":"be places with, like, varieties"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":830.22,"endTime":832.68,"body":"of art AND experiences."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":833.67,"endTime":836.28,"body":"Weird."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":833.67,"endTime":836.28,"body":"It's almost like we're watching"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":836.28,"endTime":839.94,"body":"the world religions paradigm--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":836.28,"endTime":839.94,"body":"where Christianity is the winner"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":839.94,"endTime":842.94,"body":"of civilization, and also"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":839.94,"endTime":842.94,"body":"Christian art isn't seen as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":842.94,"endTime":847.5,"body":"religious, per se, but culture--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":842.94,"endTime":847.5,"body":"like, it's universal for all--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":847.92,"endTime":851.34,"body":"it's like it's right there on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":847.92,"endTime":851.34,"body":"the wall, and in my map!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":853.92,"endTime":855.54,"body":"Weird indeed."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":856.26,"endTime":857.64,"body":"I got"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":856.26,"endTime":857.64,"body":"a question, though, Megan."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":857.67,"endTime":858.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":858.09,"endTime":859.68,"body":"Do you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":858.09,"endTime":859.68,"body":"think this is the case in other"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":859.68,"endTime":860.67,"body":"museums, too?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":861.87,"endTime":865.62,"body":"I mean... 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Look, I know"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":879.6,"endTime":881.76,"body":"you're getting weirded out by"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":879.6,"endTime":881.76,"body":"all the buddhas and Vishnus and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":881.76,"endTime":884.22,"body":"prayer niches and Qur'anic"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":881.76,"endTime":884.22,"body":"inscriptions just staring at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":884.22,"endTime":887.4,"body":"you. Do you know how these"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":884.22,"endTime":887.4,"body":"objects from faraway lands,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":887.43,"endTime":888.48,"body":"like, got here?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":888.6,"endTime":890.97,"body":"OH! I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":888.6,"endTime":890.97,"body":"totally know this!!!!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":892.11,"endTime":896.58,"body":"Imperialism. Orientalism."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":892.11,"endTime":896.58,"body":"Plunder, and pillage."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":896.61,"endTime":900.0,"body":"Yes, yes, yes."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":896.61,"endTime":900.0,"body":"Say more-- I know you want to."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":900.36,"endTime":902.25,"body":"Well you know how I talk about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":900.36,"endTime":902.25,"body":"imperialism?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":902.4,"endTime":904.53,"body":"No. Do you... do you talk about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":902.4,"endTime":904.53,"body":"imperialism? I don't-- I have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":904.53,"endTime":907.32,"body":"never, I've never noticed. YES,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":904.53,"endTime":907.32,"body":"all the time. Yes. We are aware."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":907.32,"endTime":909.0,"body":"*laughs*"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":907.32,"endTime":909.0,"body":"Alright, well, I was going to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":909.0,"endTime":912.75,"body":"say, you know how I always talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":909.0,"endTime":912.75,"body":"about imperialism and we often"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":912.75,"endTime":915.48,"body":"talk about the guys with guns"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":912.75,"endTime":915.48,"body":"and the guys with pens?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":915.48,"endTime":915.54,"body":"Mhm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":916.44,"endTime":919.14,"body":"Well,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":916.44,"endTime":919.14,"body":"so like, there's a third group"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":919.14,"endTime":924.66,"body":"here, and, um... that's the guys"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":919.14,"endTime":924.66,"body":"with pickaxes and pallets and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":924.66,"endTime":929.22,"body":"ships. The guys with pens tell"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":924.66,"endTime":929.22,"body":"these laborers and, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":929.25,"endTime":933.27,"body":"Indiana Joneses-- the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":929.25,"endTime":933.27,"body":"archaeologists, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":933.27,"endTime":938.4,"body":"anthropologists, the linguists,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":933.27,"endTime":938.4,"body":"the art historians-- where to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":938.4,"endTime":941.34,"body":"dig and where to extract. 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Yes."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":989.79,"endTime":991.35,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":989.79,"endTime":991.35,"body":"when we talk about imperialism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":991.35,"endTime":994.38,"body":"as the extraction of wealth and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":991.35,"endTime":994.38,"body":"resources, this is-- this is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":994.38,"endTime":996.36,"body":"what we're talking about."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":994.38,"endTime":996.36,"body":"Because if you look up the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":996.39,"endTime":1000.62,"body":"Koh-i-Nur, this gigantic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":996.39,"endTime":1000.62,"body":"diamond, you see language like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1000.89,"endTime":1004.4,"body":"\"it was ceded from the Mughals"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1000.89,"endTime":1004.4,"body":"to the British.\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1005.0,"endTime":1006.71,"body":"Interesting use"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1005.0,"endTime":1006.71,"body":"of passive voice there."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1006.92,"endTime":1007.79,"body":"Uh"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1006.92,"endTime":1007.79,"body":"huh!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1007.79,"endTime":1007.85,"body":"Mmm."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1008.66,"endTime":1010.28,"body":"So why"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1008.66,"endTime":1010.28,"body":"are museums like the British"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1010.28,"endTime":1014.03,"body":"Museum, like the Met, like the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1010.28,"endTime":1014.03,"body":"grim-- I'm gonna say this really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1014.03,"endTime":1018.35,"body":"badly, because my French is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1014.03,"endTime":1018.35,"body":"poor-- Musée de quai Branly,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1019.55,"endTime":1021.92,"body":"which some activists call the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1019.55,"endTime":1021.92,"body":"Museum of Stolen Goods in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1021.92,"endTime":1025.28,"body":"France, because it is only"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1021.92,"endTime":1025.28,"body":"dedicated to the arts of Africa"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1025.28,"endTime":1028.73,"body":"and Oceania, it's horribly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1025.28,"endTime":1028.73,"body":"ordered-- like, there's no"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1028.73,"endTime":1032.66,"body":"order, it's basically, like, a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1028.73,"endTime":1032.66,"body":"warehouse of colonial items they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1032.66,"endTime":1036.95,"body":"didn't know where else to put."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1032.66,"endTime":1036.95,"body":"There's dozens of these kinds of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1036.95,"endTime":1041.6,"body":"collections, museums... but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1036.95,"endTime":1041.6,"body":"like, Megan, why did these--"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1042.11,"endTime":1044.0,"body":"like, why do these museums"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1042.11,"endTime":1044.0,"body":"exist?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1044.03,"endTime":1046.55,"body":"Stealing, apparently. 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I think I'm stuck somewhere"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1116.0,"endTime":1119.18,"body":"in the British Museum, or maybe"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1119.18,"endTime":1122.24,"body":"the Met, or possibly the Louvre,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1119.18,"endTime":1122.24,"body":"which might be my nightmare"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1122.24,"endTime":1125.69,"body":"because imperialism and crowds."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1127.61,"endTime":1129.26,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1127.61,"endTime":1129.26,"body":"I mean, it's bad. It's bad. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1129.26,"endTime":1133.37,"body":"here's where we're at. We are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1129.26,"endTime":1133.37,"body":"safely ensconced in our various"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1133.37,"endTime":1137.45,"body":"homes. 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Ergo, religion is in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1235.1,"endTime":1239.96,"body":"your museum-- and whose religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1239.96,"endTime":1245.51,"body":"is religious, and whose is art"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1239.96,"endTime":1245.51,"body":"or culture tells us so much"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1245.54,"endTime":1248.09,"body":"about the world religions"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1245.54,"endTime":1248.09,"body":"paradigm, which we have been"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1248.09,"endTime":1249.65,"body":"yelling about for months now!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1250.31,"endTime":1251.78,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1250.31,"endTime":1251.78,"body":"you know what? Yelling aside,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1251.78,"endTime":1254.24,"body":"what the hell do we know? 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