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Anyway."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1263.24,"endTime":1266.72,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1263.24,"endTime":1266.72,"body":"what I hear you saying, Megan,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1266.96,"endTime":1272.24,"body":"is that there have been quite a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1266.96,"endTime":1272.24,"body":"number of legal interventions."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1272.72,"endTime":1275.24,"body":"And there are quite a number of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1272.72,"endTime":1275.24,"body":"ways that those legal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1275.24,"endTime":1279.65,"body":"interventions have worked. 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Some of it is about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1287.51,"endTime":1292.55,"body":"corporations becoming sentient"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1287.51,"endTime":1292.55,"body":"beings whose beliefs are able to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1292.55,"endTime":1295.61,"body":"weigh more than scientific"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1292.55,"endTime":1295.61,"body":"evidence and more than the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1295.61,"endTime":1300.17,"body":"individuals who comprise those"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1295.61,"endTime":1300.17,"body":"corporations. And a lot of it is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1300.17,"endTime":1303.68,"body":"based on what religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1300.17,"endTime":1303.68,"body":"sentiment and specifically"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1303.68,"endTime":1307.61,"body":"Christian religious sentiment"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1303.68,"endTime":1307.61,"body":"believes about things like sex"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1307.64,"endTime":1312.41,"body":"and women's bodies and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1307.64,"endTime":1312.41,"body":"conception and personhood."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1312.36,"endTime":1315.72,"body":"Yes, yes. Again,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1312.36,"endTime":1315.72,"body":"often flying in the face of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1315.72,"endTime":1319.95,"body":"medical science, and that is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1315.72,"endTime":1319.95,"body":"frustrating, but again, the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1319.95,"endTime":1322.86,"body":"Constitution protects religion,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1319.95,"endTime":1322.86,"body":"it doesn't protect science or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1322.86,"endTime":1328.35,"body":"medicine. So, big sum up moment,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1322.86,"endTime":1328.35,"body":"Constitution allegedly forbids"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1328.35,"endTime":1330.57,"body":"the establishment of a state"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1328.35,"endTime":1330.57,"body":"religion, meaning the US"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1330.57,"endTime":1332.79,"body":"government is not allowed to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1330.57,"endTime":1332.79,"body":"pick sides or favor one"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1332.79,"endTime":1338.01,"body":"tradition over any others. The"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1332.79,"endTime":1338.01,"body":"place where this decision is a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1338.01,"endTime":1342.33,"body":"stupid, bad decision, not just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1338.01,"endTime":1342.33,"body":"for people who can get pregnant"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1342.33,"endTime":1345.12,"body":"but also for people who care"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1342.33,"endTime":1345.12,"body":"about the Constitution is that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1345.27,"endTime":1349.23,"body":"this Dobbs decision is de-jury"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1345.27,"endTime":1349.23,"body":"about privacy and state right"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1349.26,"endTime":1353.52,"body":"rights, which is disgusting,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1349.26,"endTime":1353.52,"body":"right? So on its face, it's a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1353.67,"endTime":1359.46,"body":"decision about privacy. But in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1353.67,"endTime":1359.46,"body":"reality, de facto, it's about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1359.46,"endTime":1361.68,"body":"further codifying white"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1359.46,"endTime":1361.68,"body":"Christian nationalist sexual"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1361.68,"endTime":1362.25,"body":"morality."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1362.37,"endTime":1362.97,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1363.66,"endTime":1365.4,"body":"This is a lot"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1363.66,"endTime":1365.4,"body":"about Catholicism, which again,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1365.4,"endTime":1368.16,"body":"I'm not going to do a deep dive"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1365.4,"endTime":1368.16,"body":"on here, but it is chapter one"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1368.16,"endTime":1372.09,"body":"of my book. So as we said at the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1368.16,"endTime":1372.09,"body":"top, not only is the Supreme"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1372.09,"endTime":1374.88,"body":"Court buggering all pregnant"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1372.09,"endTime":1374.88,"body":"people, it is also flipping the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1374.88,"endTime":1376.35,"body":"bird to the establishment"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1374.88,"endTime":1376.35,"body":"clause."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1377.74,"endTime":1379.45,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1377.74,"endTime":1379.45,"body":"so it sounds like what we want"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1379.45,"endTime":1382.69,"body":"some of our nerds to take away"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1379.45,"endTime":1382.69,"body":"is that the United States has a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1382.69,"endTime":1387.7,"body":"really long history of religion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1382.69,"endTime":1387.7,"body":"and sexual entanglements,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1387.73,"endTime":1392.08,"body":"especially when we think about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1387.73,"endTime":1392.08,"body":"the courts, correct? Yes. We're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1392.08,"endTime":1396.04,"body":"pretending and by \"we\", I mean,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1392.08,"endTime":1396.04,"body":"frankly, a lot of stupid"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1396.04,"endTime":1399.19,"body":"journalists and white people,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1396.04,"endTime":1399.19,"body":"are pretending this decision"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1399.22,"endTime":1403.03,"body":"isn't religiously motivated, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1399.22,"endTime":1403.03,"body":"as a Jew and a scholar of Islam,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1403.09,"endTime":1406.18,"body":"I say fuck you. Incorrect!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1406.21,"endTime":1406.99,"body":"Incorrect."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1408.22,"endTime":1409.6,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1408.22,"endTime":1409.6,"body":"stuff is pretty bad. But what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1409.6,"endTime":1411.85,"body":"else? Why else? Is it bad Megan?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1409.6,"endTime":1411.85,"body":"And what are the other kinds of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1411.85,"endTime":1414.49,"body":"takeaways? What's the slippery"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1411.85,"endTime":1414.49,"body":"slope here? Why are people like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1414.49,"endTime":1419.8,"body":"you and I continuing, this is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1414.49,"endTime":1419.8,"body":"not new, but continuing to sound"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1419.8,"endTime":1421.3,"body":"like the fascism alarm bells."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1421.3,"endTime":1423.82,"body":"Yeah, yeah, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1421.3,"endTime":1423.82,"body":"are clanging like somehow trying"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1423.82,"endTime":1425.56,"body":"to make more noise even though"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1423.82,"endTime":1425.56,"body":"we've been freaking out for a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1425.56,"endTime":1429.01,"body":"while. So all of that is bad on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1425.56,"endTime":1429.01,"body":"its own. But it also endangers a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1429.01,"endTime":1433.3,"body":"number of other rights,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1429.01,"endTime":1433.3,"body":"including like, Clarence Thomas,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1433.3,"endTime":1435.91,"body":"straight up told us they were"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1433.3,"endTime":1435.91,"body":"coming for same sex marriage,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1436.06,"endTime":1440.47,"body":"queer sex in general,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1436.06,"endTime":1440.47,"body":"contraceptive access. So it's,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1440.68,"endTime":1443.71,"body":"it is a bigger deal than just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1440.68,"endTime":1443.71,"body":"abortion, although that would be"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1443.71,"endTime":1447.07,"body":"enough. 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And"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1452.47,"endTime":1457.72,"body":"this was really a banner week"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1457.72,"endTime":1460.84,"body":"for the Supreme Court because,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1457.72,"endTime":1460.84,"body":"like a day later, two days"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1460.84,"endTime":1463.99,"body":"later, the Kennedy versus"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1460.84,"endTime":1463.99,"body":"Bremerton school district"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1463.99,"endTime":1467.68,"body":"decision further shat upon the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1463.99,"endTime":1467.68,"body":"Establishment Clause"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1468.43,"endTime":1471.16,"body":"specifically around praying in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1468.43,"endTime":1471.16,"body":"schools so we're like quadruple"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1471.16,"endTime":1471.7,"body":"fucked."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1474.31,"endTime":1476.68,"body":"Indeed,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1474.31,"endTime":1476.68,"body":"we are. 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And"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1490.84,"endTime":1493.63,"body":"there's a long long history of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1490.84,"endTime":1493.63,"body":"Religious Action for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1493.63,"endTime":1496.0,"body":"reproductive justice. So check"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1493.63,"endTime":1496.0,"body":"out the show notes for more"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1496.0,"endTime":1497.89,"body":"Megan,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1496.0,"endTime":1497.89,"body":"that's a great place for me to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1496.03,"endTime":1496.54,"body":"info."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1497.89,"endTime":1503.35,"body":"add some stuff Please do. 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Please"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1764.72,"endTime":1765.14,"body":"continue."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1765.0,"endTime":1766.89,"body":"Please"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1765.0,"endTime":1766.89,"body":"don't make me more of a national"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1766.89,"endTime":1772.35,"body":"like of a of like a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1766.89,"endTime":1772.35,"body":"Neo-Orientalist. Honestly, it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1772.35,"endTime":1775.86,"body":"because I've been watching. 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They also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1998.07,"endTime":2001.91,"body":"have, they also have more women"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2001.91,"endTime":2005.15,"body":"in their elected government than"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2001.91,"endTime":2005.15,"body":"we do so like, glass-houses"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2006.38,"endTime":2007.73,"body":"friends. Anyway."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2007.72,"endTime":2009.623,"body":"To"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2007.72,"endTime":2009.623,"body":"round it up in another place"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2009.684,"endTime":2013.307,"body":"where religious nationalism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2009.684,"endTime":2013.307,"body":"rears its ugly head. Let's talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2013.368,"endTime":2017.359,"body":"about Israel for a second. Sure."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2013.368,"endTime":2017.359,"body":"So Israel has had legal abortion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2017.421,"endTime":2021.044,"body":"since since 1977, with a really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2017.421,"endTime":2021.044,"body":"interesting caveat that the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2021.105,"endTime":2024.728,"body":"woman, seeking an abortion, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2021.105,"endTime":2024.728,"body":"it is gendered here, needed"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2024.789,"endTime":2028.105,"body":"approval form, like a little"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2024.789,"endTime":2028.105,"body":"medical community, like a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.166,"endTime":2031.789,"body":"committee in ways that more or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2028.166,"endTime":2031.789,"body":"less reflect mainline Jewish"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2031.85,"endTime":2035.596,"body":"legal interpretation. But as a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2031.85,"endTime":2035.596,"body":"response to SCOTUS, like three"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2035.657,"endTime":2039.402,"body":"days after the Supreme Court"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2035.657,"endTime":2039.402,"body":"ruling that overturned Roe, they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2039.464,"endTime":2043.271,"body":"loosened that law considerably,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2039.464,"endTime":2043.271,"body":"making it possible for Israeli"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2043.332,"endTime":2046.955,"body":"women to access abortion care"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2043.332,"endTime":2046.955,"body":"without this committee, which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2047.016,"endTime":2050.823,"body":"for the record, the committee,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2047.016,"endTime":2050.823,"body":"based on this newspaper article"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2050.885,"endTime":2054.63,"body":"I read out of Jerusalem said"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2050.885,"endTime":2054.63,"body":"that 98 The records for the last"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2054.691,"endTime":2058.56,"body":"15 years were that 98% of women"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2054.691,"endTime":2058.56,"body":"applying to this committee were"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2058.621,"endTime":2062.121,"body":"immediately approved. 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Uh yeah, period."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2104.5,"endTime":2107.59,"body":"So we have to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2104.5,"endTime":2107.59,"body":"care about reproductive justice."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2107.59,"endTime":2111.37,"body":"We have to think about it both"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2107.59,"endTime":2111.37,"body":"in terms of religion and not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2111.37,"endTime":2115.21,"body":"just in terms of religion. It is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2111.37,"endTime":2115.21,"body":"real fucking bad in the United"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2115.21,"endTime":2119.71,"body":"States right now. But the US is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2115.21,"endTime":2119.71,"body":"not the entire story here"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2119.71,"endTime":2126.67,"body":"either. Yes. Yeah. All right."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2119.71,"endTime":2126.67,"body":"Well, I feel gross, but don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2126.67,"endTime":2130.36,"body":"pack up yet, nerds. It's, it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2126.67,"endTime":2130.36,"body":"time for homework. Homework."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2132.31,"endTime":2134.83,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2132.31,"endTime":2134.83,"body":"I mean, yeah, stay tuned for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2134.83,"endTime":2139.0,"body":"work from digital defenders of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2134.83,"endTime":2139.0,"body":"collaboration between the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2139.0,"endTime":2143.83,"body":"Women's March, Sacred and Auburn"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2139.0,"endTime":2143.83,"body":"media, which is a budding thing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2143.86,"endTime":2146.02,"body":"of for lack of a better word"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2143.86,"endTime":2146.02,"body":"that Meghan and I are actually"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2146.02,"endTime":2146.89,"body":"both apart of."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2146.95,"endTime":2149.2,"body":"We are, we're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2146.95,"endTime":2149.2,"body":"working with a bunch of really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2149.83,"endTime":2154.09,"body":"interesting folks from different"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2149.83,"endTime":2154.09,"body":"religious backgrounds, about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2154.69,"endTime":2157.78,"body":"more effective communication"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2154.69,"endTime":2157.78,"body":"around religion and reproductive"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2157.78,"endTime":2159.82,"body":"justice online. Stay tuned."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2159.0,"endTime":2160.999,"body":"I also"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2159.0,"endTime":2160.999,"body":"want to cite our colleagues"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2161.057,"endTime":2164.761,"body":"Zahra Ayubi's article. She is a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2161.057,"endTime":2164.761,"body":"scholar of Muslim bioethics and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2164.82,"endTime":2168.466,"body":"is working on projects around"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2164.82,"endTime":2168.466,"body":"Muslim reproductive health care,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2168.524,"endTime":2172.052,"body":"and she has this really great"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2168.524,"endTime":2172.052,"body":"article titled, \"Authority and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2172.111,"endTime":2175.815,"body":"Epistemology and Islamic Medical"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2172.111,"endTime":2175.815,"body":"Ethics of Women's Reproductive"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2175.874,"endTime":2179.166,"body":"Health\" in the Journal of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2175.874,"endTime":2179.166,"body":"Religious Ethics and I'll link"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2179.225,"endTime":2182.929,"body":"you to that. I mentioned above"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2179.225,"endTime":2182.929,"body":"this Vice piece on abortion as a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2182.988,"endTime":2186.457,"body":"religious right, which will be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2182.988,"endTime":2186.457,"body":"in the homework and previous"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2186.516,"endTime":2189.926,"body":"guests, Dheepa Sundaram on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2186.516,"endTime":2189.926,"body":"Hindus supporting abortion even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2189.985,"endTime":2193.571,"body":"if classical texts forbid it. 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Well, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2204.42,"endTime":2207.21,"body":"wrote an article about this"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2207.21,"endTime":2210.93,"body":"called, \"Costs of Christian or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2207.21,"endTime":2210.93,"body":"sorry, I wrote an article about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2211.29,"endTime":2214.47,"body":"Hobby Lobby and Burwell called"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2211.29,"endTime":2214.47,"body":"the \"Costs of Corporate"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2214.47,"endTime":2220.11,"body":"Conscience\" how women queers and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2214.47,"endTime":2220.11,"body":"people of color are paying for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2220.65,"endTime":2223.02,"body":"something like other folks"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2220.65,"endTime":2223.02,"body":"sincerely held beliefs, it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2223.02,"endTime":2226.41,"body":"very snarky and very angry. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2223.02,"endTime":2226.41,"body":"wrote it in 2017. And yet,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2226.41,"endTime":2229.86,"body":"somehow, I'm even angrier today."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2226.41,"endTime":2229.86,"body":"So you can check that out. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2229.86,"endTime":2233.94,"body":"also mentioned the first chapter"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2229.86,"endTime":2233.94,"body":"of my book. You should look at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2233.94,"endTime":2237.27,"body":"that if you want to hear more"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2233.94,"endTime":2237.27,"body":"about how Catholic thinking and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2237.27,"endTime":2241.62,"body":"Catholic moral law or sorry"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2237.27,"endTime":2241.62,"body":"Catholic natural law are driving"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2241.65,"endTime":2245.22,"body":"a lot of the judicial activism"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2241.65,"endTime":2245.22,"body":"that we are seeing play out"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2245.25,"endTime":2248.49,"body":"today. In addition to my own"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2245.25,"endTime":2248.49,"body":"stuff, I am going to encourage"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2248.49,"endTime":2252.09,"body":"you to look at some resources"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2248.49,"endTime":2252.09,"body":"from Jill Frank, who has been"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2252.09,"endTime":2256.14,"body":"really great both about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2252.09,"endTime":2256.14,"body":"highlighting the role that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2256.17,"endTime":2260.91,"body":"religious folks have played in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2256.17,"endTime":2260.91,"body":"fighting for abortion, access"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2260.91,"endTime":2263.88,"body":"and reproductive justice. Patty"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2260.91,"endTime":2263.88,"body":"Miller's got a great book called"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2264.75,"endTime":2268.71,"body":"\"Good Catholics\", which talks"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2264.75,"endTime":2268.71,"body":"about Catholic agitation for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2268.95,"endTime":2273.24,"body":"abortion, access and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2268.95,"endTime":2273.24,"body":"reproductive justice. Our dear"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2273.24,"endTime":2277.53,"body":"friend Dr. Sajida Jalalzai,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2273.24,"endTime":2277.53,"body":"wrote a fantastic piece for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2278.67,"endTime":2281.94,"body":"Religion Dispatches, it says"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2278.67,"endTime":2281.94,"body":"please stop using Islam to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2281.94,"endTime":2286.53,"body":"critique the abortion ban"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2281.94,"endTime":2286.53,"body":"because A) incorrect B) is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2286.53,"endTime":2291.96,"body":"occluding and drawing attention"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2286.53,"endTime":2291.96,"body":"from this work as specifically"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2291.96,"endTime":2295.59,"body":"work of white Christian"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2291.96,"endTime":2295.59,"body":"nationalism. Samira Mehta has"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2295.59,"endTime":2300.06,"body":"got some great stuff as, as does"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2295.59,"endTime":2300.06,"body":"Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg link to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2300.06,"endTime":2303.81,"body":"both of them in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2300.06,"endTime":2303.81,"body":"And then Mariamay Kaba who's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2303.81,"endTime":2307.95,"body":"prison culture on Twitter has a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2303.81,"endTime":2307.95,"body":"fantastic thread of action"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2307.95,"endTime":2310.89,"body":"items, things that you can do if"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2307.95,"endTime":2310.89,"body":"you want to get involved"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2310.89,"endTime":2314.67,"body":"locally, to support folks"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2310.89,"endTime":2314.67,"body":"seeking access to reproductive"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2314.67,"endTime":2318.33,"body":"care. I also because I am a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2314.67,"endTime":2318.33,"body":"total dork, I'm going to link"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2318.33,"endTime":2320.82,"body":"you to all the OAs for the cases"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2318.33,"endTime":2320.82,"body":"that I mentioned today. These"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2320.82,"endTime":2323.22,"body":"are just kind of summaries of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2320.82,"endTime":2323.22,"body":"like, here's what the case is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2323.22,"endTime":2324.99,"body":"about. Here's how it got"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2323.22,"endTime":2324.99,"body":"decided. Here's why you need to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2324.99,"endTime":2328.77,"body":"care. 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