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But like you can, right same with chickens like, I'm gonna make this chicken lay eggs until that chicken can't lay eggs anymore and then maybe we'll have like the Indian version of Coco Van or something like. So, but the sacred cow laws assume that all Hindus in all times in all places find all beef to be sacred and therefore not food and thus, predominantly Muslim butchers should be restricted from owning either abbatoirs or butcher shops, and restricted in what they can sell. So it doesn't matter that Muslims eat beef, it matters that it is an impingement or it causes religious conflagration to have cows be eaten, even though again, we could talk about animal abuses and the state of cows in India and like it's not as if they're all living in like cow Utopia right. 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Nothing, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1685.41,"endTime":1689.22,"body":"don't have to share that story."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1685.41,"endTime":1689.22,"body":"Also, do we think that Swedes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1689.22,"endTime":1694.26,"body":"don't share food because of the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1689.22,"endTime":1694.26,"body":"atheism? Question mark? Anyway,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1695.46,"endTime":1696.57,"body":"don't pack up your stuff yet."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1695.46,"endTime":1696.57,"body":"Nerds, it's time for homework!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1696.57,"endTime":1696.87,"body":"\"Homework? What homework?\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1700.26,"endTime":1702.66,"body":"All"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1700.26,"endTime":1702.66,"body":"right, we have a lot on food."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1702.66,"endTime":1705.51,"body":"And I want to just say we're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1702.66,"endTime":1705.51,"body":"gonna say maybe three things"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1705.54,"endTime":1710.37,"body":"each, but I have stashed like 14"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1705.54,"endTime":1710.37,"body":"things in the shownotes. So, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1710.37,"endTime":1713.31,"body":"have tried to be representative"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1710.37,"endTime":1713.31,"body":"in the shownotes of multiple"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1713.31,"endTime":1717.87,"body":"religions and religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1713.31,"endTime":1717.87,"body":"worldviews. We can't read all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1717.87,"endTime":1721.41,"body":"that to you nerds, it's too"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1717.87,"endTime":1721.41,"body":"boring. So, here's what I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1721.41,"endTime":1727.53,"body":"recommend. I recommend like all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1721.41,"endTime":1727.53,"body":"of Michael Twitty's work. He"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1727.53,"endTime":1732.99,"body":"hosts the afroculineria.com"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1727.53,"endTime":1732.99,"body":"super great. He also wrote \"The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1733.02,"endTime":1737.61,"body":"Cooking Gene\". And one of my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1733.02,"endTime":1737.61,"body":"favorite books of the last, say"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1737.61,"endTime":1740.91,"body":"The"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1737.61,"endTime":1740.91,"body":"Faith and Food Journey of an"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1740.91,"endTime":1744.57,"body":"African American Jew\". It's just"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1740.91,"endTime":1744.57,"body":"so good and the recipes are dope"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1744.57,"endTime":1748.02,"body":"as hell. So all of Michael"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1744.57,"endTime":1748.02,"body":"Twitty's work, I recommend. A"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1748.02,"endTime":1752.58,"body":"book that I think I gave my dad"},{"speaker":"three years. \"Kosher Soul","startTime":1748.02,"endTime":1752.58,"body":"a few years ago is Ted Mewin's"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1753.03,"endTime":1756.27,"body":"An"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1753.03,"endTime":1756.27,"body":"Overstuffed History of the"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1756.27,"endTime":1761.55,"body":"Jewish Deli.\" And it's just it's"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1756.27,"endTime":1761.55,"body":"good, it's good, you know, it's"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1761.55,"endTime":1767.85,"body":"good. And then I'll end with"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1761.55,"endTime":1767.85,"body":"another really good food about"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1768.54,"endTime":1771.96,"body":"curry..  sorry, a good food"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1768.54,"endTime":1771.96,"body":"about curry a good book about"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1771.96,"endTime":1777.24,"body":"curry it's an edited volume by"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1771.96,"endTime":1777.24,"body":"Krishnai Nurai and Tulasi"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1777.24,"endTime":1780.63,"body":"Shrinivas. It's called \"Curried"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1777.24,"endTime":1780.63,"body":"Cultures: Globalization, Food,"},{"speaker":"book called \"Pastrami on Rye","startTime":1780.63,"endTime":1781.71,"body":"and South Asia.\""},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1781.0,"endTime":1783.61,"body":"Well now I want"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1781.0,"endTime":1783.61,"body":"curry though."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1784.06,"endTime":1785.35,"body":"What"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1784.06,"endTime":1785.35,"body":"do you recommend Goodwin?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1784.88,"endTime":1788.046,"body":"Oh, let's see I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1784.88,"endTime":1788.046,"body":"recommend Febe Armanios and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1785.0,"endTime":1814.13,"body":"Shout out to Evie Wolfe, Rachel"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1785.0,"endTime":1814.13,"body":"Zieff, and Juliana Finch the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1788.12,"endTime":1791.949,"body":"Bogoc Ergene, their, \"Halal"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1788.12,"endTime":1791.949,"body":"Food: A History\". I also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1792.022,"endTime":1796.661,"body":"recommend, \"Religion, Food, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1792.022,"endTime":1796.661,"body":"Eating in North America\" edited"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1796.735,"endTime":1801.374,"body":"by Marie Dahlem, Reed Nielsen,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1796.735,"endTime":1801.374,"body":"Nora Rubel and Ben Zeller. and I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1801.448,"endTime":1805.792,"body":"will remind our listeners that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1801.448,"endTime":1805.792,"body":"Dr. Abel Gomez talks about a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1805.866,"endTime":1810.137,"body":"native salmon ceremony on our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1805.866,"endTime":1810.137,"body":"episode from last season. So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1810.21,"endTime":1814.776,"body":"that's the indigenous religions"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1810.21,"endTime":1814.776,"body":"Part Two episode and then yeah"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1814.85,"endTime":1819.12,"body":"just check out the show notes"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1814.85,"endTime":1819.12,"body":"for every single other thing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1819.194,"endTime":1822.14,"body":"that Ilyse listed because"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1819.194,"endTime":1822.14,"body":"there's a lot."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1824.42,"endTime":1831.26,"body":"KI101 team whose work make this"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1824.42,"endTime":1831.26,"body":"pod accessible and therefore"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1831.26,"endTime":1834.59,"body":"awesome, listenable, and social"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1831.26,"endTime":1834.59,"body":"media-able among many other"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1834.59,"endTime":1836.09,"body":"things for which we are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1834.59,"endTime":1836.09,"body":"grateful."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1836.0,"endTime":1840.98,"body":"We are. You can find Meghan,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1836.0,"endTime":1840.98,"body":"that's me, on Twitter @mpgphd,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1841.28,"endTime":1847.88,"body":"and Ilyse @profirmf or the show"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1841.28,"endTime":1847.88,"body":"@keepingit_101. Find the website"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1847.88,"endTime":1851.75,"body":"at keepingit101.com. Find us on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1847.88,"endTime":1851.75,"body":"Insta and now, apparently"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1851.75,"endTime":1855.14,"body":"TikTok?? 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