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Hi,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":43.11,"endTime":46.62,"body":"hello, I'm Megan Goodwin, a"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":46.62,"endTime":49.23,"body":"scholar of American religions"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":46.62,"endTime":49.23,"body":"race, gender, and politics."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":49.3,"endTime":51.94,"body":"Hi, hello. I'm Ilyse"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":49.3,"endTime":51.94,"body":"Moorgenstein Fuerst historian of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":51.94,"endTime":54.88,"body":"religion, Islam, race, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":51.94,"endTime":54.88,"body":"racialization and South Asia."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":55.12,"endTime":56.08,"body":"How's it going Megan?"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":56.47,"endTime":58.66,"body":"Oh, you know, it's going,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":56.47,"endTime":58.66,"body":"like the dude I abide."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":60.16,"endTime":65.02,"body":"Glad to hear it. 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Fucking jihad"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":91.57,"endTime":94.09,"body":"on that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":95.98,"endTime":99.43,"body":"Stop waging jihad, we're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":95.98,"endTime":99.43,"body":"in the first minute of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":99.43,"endTime":103.3,"body":"podcast, and you're already"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":99.43,"endTime":103.3,"body":"doing some damage."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":105.31,"endTime":107.95,"body":"Doing some Eddie Izzard,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":105.31,"endTime":107.95,"body":"thank you very much. All right."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":107.95,"endTime":111.73,"body":"All right. No jihad on Jihad"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":107.95,"endTime":111.73,"body":"except maybe jihad on Jihad."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":111.73,"endTime":116.26,"body":"Anyway, what do folks get wrong?"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":111.73,"endTime":116.26,"body":"I should say incorrect, when it"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":116.26,"endTime":117.01,"body":"comes to Jihad?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":117.73,"endTime":119.41,"body":"I'm so glad you asked"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":117.73,"endTime":119.41,"body":"Megan!"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":121.55,"endTime":123.77,"body":"There that's the other"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":121.55,"endTime":123.77,"body":"one."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":124.52,"endTime":127.88,"body":"Okay, I'll stick with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":124.52,"endTime":127.88,"body":"\"incorrect\". Here's what folks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":127.88,"endTime":133.55,"body":"are doing incorrectly when it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":127.88,"endTime":133.55,"body":"comes to jihad, not correct."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":134.21,"endTime":139.67,"body":"First and foremost, they think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":134.21,"endTime":139.67,"body":"incorrectly that Jihad means an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":139.7,"endTime":145.43,"body":"infinite, unending, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":139.7,"endTime":145.43,"body":"mandatory war by Muslims against"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":146.12,"endTime":149.27,"body":"I'm gonna say anyone who's not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":146.12,"endTime":149.27,"body":"Muslim, all non Muslims,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":149.3,"endTime":153.62,"body":"Yeah yeah, onstant"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":149.3,"endTime":153.62,"body":"always. Ya know, so incorrect to"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":153.62,"endTime":159.05,"body":"assume that Muslims are waging"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":153.62,"endTime":159.05,"body":"infinity war on everyone. This"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":159.05,"endTime":160.88,"body":"is not a Marvel movie. No."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":161.18,"endTime":164.21,"body":"All right, incorrect."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":161.18,"endTime":164.21,"body":"Point number two: Jihad is a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":164.21,"endTime":168.26,"body":"preoccupation of Muslims"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":164.21,"endTime":168.26,"body":"throughout all time, and every"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":168.26,"endTime":172.13,"body":"single place Muslims have lived"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":168.26,"endTime":172.13,"body":"and continue to live. 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The"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":187.37,"endTime":192.14,"body":"third and final thing that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":192.14,"endTime":196.19,"body":"people get wrong every single"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":192.14,"endTime":196.19,"body":"frickin time we talk about"},{"speaker":"jihad","startTime":196.19,"endTime":199.13,"body":"is a very simple"},{"speaker":"jihad","startTime":196.19,"endTime":199.13,"body":"equation. It's gonna be mind"},{"speaker":"jihad","startTime":199.13,"endTime":199.73,"body":"blowing Megan..."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":200.12,"endTime":203.03,"body":"all right, I'm,  I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":200.12,"endTime":203.03,"body":"braced. I'm ready. 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Sorry, go"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":236.56,"endTime":236.83,"body":"ahead."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":237.17,"endTime":240.29,"body":"No one could have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":237.17,"endTime":240.29,"body":"expected you or the Inquisition."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":240.32,"endTime":245.66,"body":"So let's let's roam through"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":240.32,"endTime":245.66,"body":"these incorrect assumptions."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":246.11,"endTime":250.34,"body":"Because I've got to be honest,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":246.11,"endTime":250.34,"body":"I'm so...one of the reasons that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":250.34,"endTime":253.1,"body":"I decided to do that you had"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":250.34,"endTime":253.1,"body":"episodes that people have asked"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":253.1,"endTime":258.02,"body":"for for a long time is frankly,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":253.1,"endTime":258.02,"body":"because I'm sick of having this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":258.02,"endTime":264.05,"body":"exact conversation. 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I am not a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1384.88,"endTime":1390.55,"body":"secret jihadi nor have I ever"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1390.55,"endTime":1393.73,"body":"been, as has been reported on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1390.55,"endTime":1393.73,"body":"many websites."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1393.79,"endTime":1396.19,"body":"I'm not now nor had I"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1393.79,"endTime":1396.19,"body":"have I ever been a secret"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1396.19,"endTime":1396.55,"body":"jihadi."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1397.0,"endTime":1400.96,"body":"Nor am I an open jihadi,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1397.0,"endTime":1400.96,"body":"I suppose is also a good agenda."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1401.23,"endTime":1405.79,"body":"I am nerds a good post-holocaust"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1401.23,"endTime":1405.79,"body":"Postclassic Jew, which means I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1405.79,"endTime":1407.8,"body":"straight up do not remove"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1405.79,"endTime":1407.8,"body":"violence from the toolkit of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1407.8,"endTime":1411.61,"body":"rebellion. But I don't like it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1407.8,"endTime":1411.61,"body":"either. I'm not generally in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1411.61,"endTime":1416.44,"body":"favor of holy wars, Jews tend to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1411.61,"endTime":1416.44,"body":"do very poorly in holy way."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1416.62,"endTime":1418.54,"body":"The numbers are not on"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1416.62,"endTime":1418.54,"body":"your side, not a fan."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1418.789,"endTime":1423.919,"body":"But I can acknowledge"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1418.789,"endTime":1423.919,"body":"that using a religious concept"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1423.949,"endTime":1429.079,"body":"to think about how one agitates"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1423.949,"endTime":1429.079,"body":"against one's own oppression is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1429.109,"endTime":1434.569,"body":"effective. That does not make me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1429.109,"endTime":1434.569,"body":"any of those things. Please stop"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1434.569,"endTime":1435.679,"body":"sending me hate mail."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1436.5,"endTime":1438.87,"body":"Yeah, I have to do this"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1436.5,"endTime":1438.87,"body":"every semester to because my"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1438.87,"endTime":1442.92,"body":"second so I do two days on Islam"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1438.87,"endTime":1442.92,"body":"and my global religions class"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1442.92,"endTime":1447.27,"body":"and the second day is look at"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1442.92,"endTime":1447.27,"body":"American imperialism, Michael."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1447.57,"endTime":1453.81,"body":"And so I look at work by like"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1447.57,"endTime":1453.81,"body":"Saba Mahmood. 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When Muslims now"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1505.98,"endTime":1508.92,"body":"talk about Jiha, what are they?"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1505.98,"endTime":1508.92,"body":"What are they talking about?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1509.4,"endTime":1511.35,"body":"So I can't speak to all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1509.4,"endTime":1511.35,"body":"times in places, but let me let"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1511.35,"endTime":1513.69,"body":"me do some of the stuff I know."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1511.35,"endTime":1513.69,"body":"Right? 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So"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1778.23,"endTime":1781.56,"body":"Well, but I also I really"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1778.23,"endTime":1781.56,"body":"appreciate a space where I get"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1781.56,"endTime":1786.0,"body":"like squishy in my soul about"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1781.56,"endTime":1786.0,"body":"religion are the spaces where"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1786.03,"endTime":1789.45,"body":"folks who are really trying to"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1786.03,"endTime":1789.45,"body":"work make the world a better"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1789.45,"endTime":1792.87,"body":"place, dig in their heels and"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1789.45,"endTime":1792.87,"body":"say, like, you don't get to have"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1792.87,"endTime":1795.51,"body":"this you don't get to take this"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1792.87,"endTime":1795.51,"body":"from me because it's important."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1795.78,"endTime":1799.98,"body":"So like, I am not a Quranic"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1795.78,"endTime":1799.98,"body":"scholar, as you know, is jihad"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1800.01,"endTime":1801.03,"body":"In the Quran?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1801.9,"endTime":1804.06,"body":"There is a couple"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1801.9,"endTime":1804.06,"body":"mentioned in the Quran, it comes"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1804.06,"endTime":1807.72,"body":"up more in Hadith, like the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1804.06,"endTime":1807.72,"body":"sayings and traditions of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1807.72,"endTime":1809.85,"body":"Prophet Muhammad, you know,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1807.72,"endTime":1809.85,"body":"because those are the places"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1809.85,"endTime":1814.5,"body":"where Muslims are figuring out"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1809.85,"endTime":1814.5,"body":"how you live life and war is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1814.5,"endTime":1817.32,"body":"part of life, then that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1814.5,"endTime":1817.32,"body":"obviously part of the corpus of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1817.32,"endTime":1822.18,"body":"how we addresseverything in our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1817.32,"endTime":1822.18,"body":"lives, not just like the hunky"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1822.0,"endTime":1825.75,"body":"Yes, it's, I always think"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1822.0,"endTime":1825.75,"body":"of it. This, I don't know if"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1822.18,"endTime":1822.96,"body":"dory bits."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1825.75,"endTime":1827.55,"body":"this is reductive, but I always"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1825.75,"endTime":1827.55,"body":"think of it as like the workbook"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1827.55,"endTime":1829.98,"body":"session like this is where we're"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1827.55,"endTime":1829.98,"body":"actually working it out. But the"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1829.98,"endTime":1832.29,"body":"reason that I asked about the"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1829.98,"endTime":1832.29,"body":"Quran honestly, is because that"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1832.29,"endTime":1836.16,"body":"means God said it, God said this"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1832.29,"endTime":1836.16,"body":"word. This is a word that comes"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1836.16,"endTime":1840.9,"body":"from the Divine, to sort of see"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1836.16,"endTime":1840.9,"body":"folks struggle with this and try"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1840.9,"endTime":1844.92,"body":"to use it to the betterment of"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1840.9,"endTime":1844.92,"body":"themselves and others and the"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1844.92,"endTime":1851.52,"body":"world. Like that. That gets me"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1844.92,"endTime":1851.52,"body":"and I am inspired by that. I"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1851.52,"endTime":1855.09,"body":"will also just say from like a"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1851.52,"endTime":1855.09,"body":"math point of view, how they're"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1855.09,"endTime":1859.26,"body":"like, what, almost 2 billion"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1855.09,"endTime":1859.26,"body":"Muslims in the world. So like,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1859.35,"endTime":1865.35,"body":"if all Muslims everywhere every"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1859.35,"endTime":1865.35,"body":"second of every day, we're just"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1865.35,"endTime":1868.38,"body":"like, fucking jihad on all of"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1865.35,"endTime":1868.38,"body":"this all of it, jihad"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1868.38,"endTime":1873.69,"body":"everywhere. 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So I want to"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1879.9,"endTime":1882.51,"body":"suggest just from like a"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1882.51,"endTime":1887.07,"body":"practicality standpoint, that it"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1882.51,"endTime":1887.07,"body":"can't be all of all the Muslims"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1887.1,"endTime":1890.07,"body":"thinking about this all the"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1887.1,"endTime":1890.07,"body":"time. I just Yeah, I feel like"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1890.07,"endTime":1891.09,"body":"maybe there's something else."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1891.12,"endTime":1894.36,"body":"Yeah, this is the part"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1891.12,"endTime":1894.36,"body":"that has bothered me, like since"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1894.36,"endTime":1899.7,"body":"911, quite frankly, is like just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1894.36,"endTime":1899.7,"body":"just your logic alone. Fucking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1899.7,"endTime":1904.68,"body":"white people is is incorrect."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1899.7,"endTime":1904.68,"body":"Not Correct. Correct."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1904.98,"endTime":1908.28,"body":"Incorrect. does not add"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1904.98,"endTime":1908.28,"body":"up does not literally does not"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1908.28,"endTime":1912.21,"body":"compute. Oh, so Okay, so we're"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1908.28,"endTime":1912.21,"body":"oh go ahead,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1912.3,"endTime":1916.23,"body":"No, I was gonna say let's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1912.3,"endTime":1916.23,"body":"let's wrap this up. Let's, I was"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1916.23,"endTime":1916.68,"body":"gonna say"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1924.69,"endTime":1929.61,"body":"Hey, jihad is not"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1924.69,"endTime":1929.61,"body":"straight up, just all out"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1930.27,"endTime":1934.38,"body":"holy-war. Jihad means struggle."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1930.27,"endTime":1934.38,"body":"And that struggle is"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1934.38,"endTime":1939.57,"body":"complicated. And often internal"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1934.38,"endTime":1939.57,"body":"and more about you trying to be"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1939.57,"endTime":1941.73,"body":"the best person you are then"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1939.57,"endTime":1941.73,"body":"like, taking over the world."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1942.03,"endTime":1946.26,"body":"Yeah. Second, second bit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1942.03,"endTime":1946.26,"body":"to sum-up textual history when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1946.26,"endTime":1951.51,"body":"jihad is warm it's usually"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1946.26,"endTime":1951.51,"body":"rendered as just-war, which can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1951.51,"endTime":1955.11,"body":"mean a defensive war, after all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1951.51,"endTime":1955.11,"body":"other options have been"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1955.11,"endTime":1960.0,"body":"exhausted. It is not like a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1955.11,"endTime":1960.0,"body":"bunch of like real creepy"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1960.0,"endTime":1962.79,"body":"looking dudes being like, \"Oh my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1960.0,"endTime":1962.79,"body":"God, who are we gonna fuck up"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1962.79,"endTime":1967.38,"body":"today?\" God, that's not how it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1962.79,"endTime":1967.38,"body":"works."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1967.86,"endTime":1971.73,"body":"So again, if we're"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1967.86,"endTime":1971.73,"body":"talking about Muslim spiritual"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1971.73,"endTime":1975.66,"body":"practice, jihad is about working"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1971.73,"endTime":1975.66,"body":"through your own shit, just"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1975.66,"endTime":1979.8,"body":"doing better all of the time. 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And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2014.12,"endTime":2017.63,"body":"the assumption that all Muslims"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2017.63,"endTime":2021.47,"body":"are secretly jihadis, and all of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2017.63,"endTime":2021.47,"body":"us who talk about jihad, as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2021.47,"endTime":2026.39,"body":"secretly jihadis is a racialized"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2021.47,"endTime":2026.39,"body":"and racist assumption."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2026.51,"endTime":2030.65,"body":"Yeah, that's stupid and"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2026.51,"endTime":2030.65,"body":"bad and wrong. So Yeah, correct."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2030.71,"endTime":2035.9,"body":"Incorrect. 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You"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2048.26,"endTime":2051.2,"body":"have homework, homework, what"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2048.26,"endTime":2051.2,"body":"homework?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2051.59,"endTime":2053.81,"body":"Goodwin I figured I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2051.59,"endTime":2053.81,"body":"taking over the homework today,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2053.81,"endTime":2056.84,"body":"and I will put some stuff in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2053.81,"endTime":2056.84,"body":"show notes. But mostly, I'm just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2056.84,"endTime":2060.59,"body":"gonna give you the highlights of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2056.84,"endTime":2060.59,"body":"all of my years of research. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2060.59,"endTime":2063.71,"body":"first, the woman I quoted before"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2060.59,"endTime":2063.71,"body":"Aisha Jalal, has a great book"},{"speaker":"called \"Partisams of Allah","startTime":2063.71,"endTime":2066.14,"body":"Jihad in South Asia\".  It's a"},{"speaker":"called \"Partisams of Allah","startTime":2066.14,"endTime":2070.25,"body":"fantastic Clear, clear book on"},{"speaker":"called \"Partisams of Allah","startTime":2066.14,"endTime":2070.25,"body":"what's going on in South Asia"},{"speaker":"called \"Partisams of Allah","startTime":2070.25,"endTime":2073.19,"body":"with the word jihad. 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Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2099.15,"endTime":2102.36,"body":"Then you've got us Asma"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2099.15,"endTime":2102.36,"body":"Afsaruddin's book,  \"Striving in"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2102.36,"endTime":2104.61,"body":"Jihad in"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2102.36,"endTime":2104.61,"body":"martyrdom Islamic thought\","},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2104.64,"endTime":2107.04,"body":"again, a really good"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2104.64,"endTime":2107.04,"body":"intellectual history about what"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2107.04,"endTime":2111.72,"body":"jihad is doing and what it is"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2107.04,"endTime":2111.72,"body":"not doing. 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He is"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2120.54,"endTime":2123.33,"body":"literally saying we are obsessed"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2120.54,"endTime":2123.33,"body":"with jihad in the United States."},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2123.45,"endTime":2126.15,"body":"And after taking many of the"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2123.45,"endTime":2126.15,"body":"federal government's dollars,"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2126.15,"endTime":2129.81,"body":"he's like, Yo, we just don't"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2126.15,"endTime":2129.81,"body":"have jihadis here. So I don't"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2129.81,"endTime":2132.84,"body":"know what the fuck you're"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2129.81,"endTime":2132.84,"body":"talking about. But the numbers"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2132.84,"endTime":2135.45,"body":"don't add up. Like literally the"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2132.84,"endTime":2135.45,"body":"missing martyrs refers to the"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2135.45,"endTime":2139.56,"body":"missing number of jihadis that"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2135.45,"endTime":2139.56,"body":"the government is counting on"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2139.56,"endTime":2142.02,"body":"being there, but that just never"},{"speaker":"the path of God","startTime":2139.56,"endTime":2142.02,"body":"show up."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2142.26,"endTime":2146.28,"body":"Golly, it sounds like"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2142.26,"endTime":2146.28,"body":"Jihad might be more of I don't"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2146.28,"endTime":2150.39,"body":"know, a money, money laundering"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2146.28,"endTime":2150.39,"body":"scheme for defense contractors."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2150.96,"endTime":2153.24,"body":"Right? That's wonder if I will"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2150.96,"endTime":2153.24,"body":"be writing about that. In my"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2153.24,"endTime":2155.4,"body":"book where I talk about the"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2153.24,"endTime":2155.4,"body":"cultification of American Islam."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2155.61,"endTime":2158.28,"body":"There's big money in"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2155.61,"endTime":2158.28,"body":"Islamophobia. Sure, there's"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2158.28,"endTime":2161.25,"body":"always money in the"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2158.28,"endTime":2161.25,"body":"Islamophobia. We can point you"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2161.25,"endTime":2161.46,"body":"to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2161.46,"endTime":2163.62,"body":"Islamophobia, Inc, and a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2161.46,"endTime":2163.62,"body":"few other books like that. I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2163.62,"endTime":2167.52,"body":"will link to some of my own work"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2163.62,"endTime":2167.52,"body":"on jihad in South Asia, but I'll"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2167.52,"endTime":2169.92,"body":"put that in the show notes."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2167.52,"endTime":2169.92,"body":"Megan, did you have anything"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2169.92,"endTime":2171.42,"body":"that you want to add? Or is that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2169.92,"endTime":2171.42,"body":"enough?"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2171.55,"endTime":2174.464,"body":"No, I have a couple"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2171.55,"endTime":2174.464,"body":"quickie things. So one I want to"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2174.52,"endTime":2177.994,"body":"shout out as always, Dr. Amina"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2174.52,"endTime":2177.994,"body":"Wadud and her concept of gender"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2178.05,"endTime":2181.357,"body":"Jihad struggling for gender"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2178.05,"endTime":2181.357,"body":"justice, because I think that's"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2181.413,"endTime":2184.887,"body":"really important. I have quoted"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2181.413,"endTime":2184.887,"body":"a number of times a very short"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2184.943,"endTime":2188.306,"body":"part of Eddie Izzard stress to"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2184.943,"endTime":2188.306,"body":"kill, but hers is the voice I"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2188.362,"endTime":2191.836,"body":"hear when someone says jihad, so"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2188.362,"endTime":2191.836,"body":"I will yank that out for you."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2191.892,"endTime":2195.423,"body":"And then also I'm just going to"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2191.892,"endTime":2195.423,"body":"shout out again that that short"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2195.479,"endTime":2198.842,"body":"music video with land called"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2195.479,"endTime":2198.842,"body":"Paradise because it is I think,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2198.898,"endTime":2202.316,"body":"in addition to being incredibly"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2198.898,"endTime":2202.316,"body":"moving and deeply personal, I"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2202.372,"endTime":2205.679,"body":"think it does more work than a"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2202.372,"endTime":2205.679,"body":"lot of my classroom voice or"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2205.735,"endTime":2208.985,"body":"yelling online could do to just"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2205.735,"endTime":2208.985,"body":"disrupt this idea of jihad"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2209.041,"endTime":2212.235,"body":"because like I I, at this point"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2209.041,"endTime":2212.235,"body":"also can't hear that word"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2212.291,"endTime":2215.766,"body":"without seeing that like little"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2212.291,"endTime":2215.766,"body":"seven year old guy being like,"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2215.822,"endTime":2217.84,"body":"it's broccoli. My Jihad is broccoli."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2219.21,"endTime":2221.648,"body":"Awesome. Shout out to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2219.21,"endTime":2221.648,"body":"Evee Wolfe, Rachel Zieff, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2221.696,"endTime":2224.661,"body":"Juliana Finch the key I want to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2221.696,"endTime":2224.661,"body":"one team whose work makes this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2224.709,"endTime":2227.531,"body":"pod accessible and therefore"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2224.709,"endTime":2227.531,"body":"awesome. Listen, of all social"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2227.578,"endTime":2230.113,"body":"media of all among many other"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2227.578,"endTime":2230.113,"body":"things for which we are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2230.161,"endTime":2231.07,"body":"eternally grateful."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2231.07,"endTime":2234.569,"body":"And we appreciate you you"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2231.07,"endTime":2234.569,"body":"can find mega that's me on"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2234.637,"endTime":2237.8,"body":"Twitter @mpgPhD and Ilyse"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2234.637,"endTime":2237.8,"body":"@profirms or the show"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2237.867,"endTime":2241.973,"body":"@keepingit_101 Find the website"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2237.867,"endTime":2241.973,"body":"at keepingit101.com. 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