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Exclusion,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":989.37,"endTime":994.26,"body":"inclusion, diversity and racism."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":989.37,"endTime":994.26,"body":"So that's kind of where I come"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":994.26,"endTime":1000.05,"body":"from, but why I'm still doing it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":994.26,"endTime":1000.05,"body":"is. Because if religions"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1000.05,"endTime":1002.45,"body":"everything everywhere all at"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1000.05,"endTime":1002.45,"body":"once, and people still don't get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1002.45,"endTime":1005.0,"body":"it, then we have an obligation"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1002.45,"endTime":1005.0,"body":"to do that better. 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It's a lot of"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1023.7,"endTime":1024.03,"body":"that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1024.54,"endTime":1028.38,"body":"So Thanks, Julie. That's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1024.54,"endTime":1028.38,"body":"a great question. And now onto"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1028.41,"endTime":1033.36,"body":"homework nerd origins. Homework."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":1028.41,"endTime":1033.36,"body":"Why don't work?"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1033.39,"endTime":1035.85,"body":"Yeah, we're not giving"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":1033.39,"endTime":1035.85,"body":"you like homework homework. 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