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And I hope Star Wars fans"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2331.67,"endTime":2333.47,"body":"who have made it through this"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":2331.67,"endTime":2333.47,"body":"episode, you will too."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2334.2,"endTime":2337.68,"body":"Yeah, yeah, I want to I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2334.2,"endTime":2337.68,"body":"want to just on my own sum up, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2337.68,"endTime":2343.68,"body":"want to say that like, as a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":2337.68,"endTime":2343.68,"body":"historian 1977 is recent. 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