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Please continue."},{"speaker":"Ilyse","startTime":284.43,"endTime":284.82,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":285.29,"endTime":287.93,"body":"So I might have mentioned"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":285.29,"endTime":287.93,"body":"that I published a book a few"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":287.93,"endTime":291.77,"body":"years back once or twice, a few"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":287.93,"endTime":291.77,"body":"times, a couple. Whatever. I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":291.77,"endTime":294.47,"body":"very chill about it. The central"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":291.77,"endTime":294.47,"body":"question of that book is does"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":294.47,"endTime":297.41,"body":"religion cause abuse? Which is"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":294.47,"endTime":297.41,"body":"just another way of asking Is"},{"speaker":"Megan","startTime":297.41,"endTime":301.01,"body":"religion dangerous? 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