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We are not."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1297.38,"endTime":1298.67,"body":"We're blue real."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1297.38,"endTime":1298.67,"body":"Who are they?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1300.83,"endTime":1305.09,"body":"So I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1300.83,"endTime":1305.09,"body":"want us to say that one of our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1305.09,"endTime":1308.9,"body":"big takeaways is that when we're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1305.09,"endTime":1308.9,"body":"talking about nationalism,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1309.02,"endTime":1313.13,"body":"religion is part of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1309.02,"endTime":1313.13,"body":"definition period. The end,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1313.19,"endTime":1316.7,"body":"yes, good. Yes."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1313.19,"endTime":1316.7,"body":"Also, the sounds familiar to me,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1316.7,"endTime":1319.22,"body":"like when we said that religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1316.7,"endTime":1319.22,"body":"isn't done with us, even if"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1319.22,"endTime":1323.66,"body":"we're done with religion, so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1319.22,"endTime":1323.66,"body":"like, even states that are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1323.66,"endTime":1327.14,"body":"claiming that they're secular,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1323.66,"endTime":1327.14,"body":"probably definitely have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1327.14,"endTime":1328.85,"body":"opinions about religion and how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1327.14,"endTime":1328.85,"body":"they should do it."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1330.35,"endTime":1336.44,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1330.35,"endTime":1336.44,"body":"And also, religious nationalism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1336.62,"endTime":1339.77,"body":"is like so here's what I really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1336.62,"endTime":1339.77,"body":"want folks to focus in on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1339.8,"endTime":1342.92,"body":"religious nationalism is when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1339.8,"endTime":1342.92,"body":"religion is specifically linked"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1343.16,"endTime":1346.76,"body":"up to how a nation sees itself."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1343.16,"endTime":1346.76,"body":"And that can play out in a few"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1346.76,"endTime":1350.84,"body":"ways. 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But here's one way that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1367.46,"endTime":1370.46,"body":"you can see it, I know you got"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1370.46,"endTime":1372.86,"body":"it, I got a runner, and it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1370.46,"endTime":1372.86,"body":"just gonna stay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1372.92,"endTime":1374.78,"body":"I'm gonna do it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1372.92,"endTime":1374.78,"body":"And then calendars"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1374.84,"endTime":1379.49,"body":"aren't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1374.84,"endTime":1379.49,"body":"by default interfaith calendars,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1380.36,"endTime":1384.14,"body":"even in multi ethnic multi"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1380.36,"endTime":1384.14,"body":"religious states, nor are they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1384.14,"endTime":1388.67,"body":"scrubbed of religion entirely,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1384.14,"endTime":1388.67,"body":"Even in secular states,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1388.97,"endTime":1393.14,"body":"precisely because states imagine"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1388.97,"endTime":1393.14,"body":"themselves as having a religion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1393.14,"endTime":1397.1,"body":"and in the US, the US sees"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1393.14,"endTime":1397.1,"body":"itself has seen itself as a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1397.1,"endTime":1401.33,"body":"Christian nation, even as it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1397.1,"endTime":1401.33,"body":"purports to be both secular and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1401.33,"endTime":1402.47,"body":"multireligious."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1402.62,"endTime":1403.43,"body":"can confirm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1404.81,"endTime":1407.57,"body":"religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1404.81,"endTime":1407.57,"body":"nationalism is also evident in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1407.57,"endTime":1412.25,"body":"the ways that non religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1407.57,"endTime":1412.25,"body":"folks are barred from particular"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1412.25,"endTime":1417.44,"body":"practices in public. The ways"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1412.25,"endTime":1417.44,"body":"that racialization happens, the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1417.44,"endTime":1421.07,"body":"ways that oath songs and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1417.44,"endTime":1421.07,"body":"patriotic behaviors map onto an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1421.07,"endTime":1426.17,"body":"into religious spaces. It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1421.07,"endTime":1426.17,"body":"things like swearing on Bibles"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1426.17,"endTime":1429.89,"body":"for you Meghan in your primary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1426.17,"endTime":1429.89,"body":"source from back when to get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1429.89,"endTime":1433.91,"body":"married. It's saying in God, we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1429.89,"endTime":1433.91,"body":"trust on our money and under God"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1433.91,"endTime":1438.08,"body":"in our Pledge of Allegiance,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1433.91,"endTime":1438.08,"body":"right. In order to prove that we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1438.08,"endTime":1443.48,"body":"are Allegiant citizens, we have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1438.08,"endTime":1443.48,"body":"to say in God, we trust creepy,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1443.48,"endTime":1448.04,"body":"it's so creepy. It's things like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1443.48,"endTime":1448.04,"body":"the National Prayer Breakfast."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1448.07,"endTime":1453.5,"body":"So even when we invite other non"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1448.07,"endTime":1453.5,"body":"Christian religious members to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1453.5,"endTime":1457.58,"body":"lead that national prayer or to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1453.5,"endTime":1457.58,"body":"be in the audience, the fact"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1457.58,"endTime":1461.45,"body":"that we assume when we eat, we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1457.58,"endTime":1461.45,"body":"say a prayer already assumes a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1461.45,"endTime":1465.71,"body":"particular definition of nation"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1461.45,"endTime":1465.71,"body":"that has religion cooked into"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1465.71,"endTime":1470.48,"body":"its very identity. 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These laws,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1494.21,"endTime":1499.94,"body":"these are the laws that folks"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1499.94,"endTime":1505.31,"body":"are trying to pass barring, like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1499.94,"endTime":1505.31,"body":"barring Sharia in state, local"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1505.31,"endTime":1510.71,"body":"or federal, like legal systems."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1505.31,"endTime":1510.71,"body":"So in theory they're they're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1510.71,"endTime":1514.64,"body":"barring Muslims the the idea of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1510.71,"endTime":1514.64,"body":"a Muslim from establishing their"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1514.64,"endTime":1519.05,"body":"religious law as U S law where"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1514.64,"endTime":1519.05,"body":"the idea here is that the very"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1519.05,"endTime":1523.49,"body":"presence of Islamic religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1519.05,"endTime":1523.49,"body":"law is a threat to your local"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1523.49,"endTime":1525.74,"body":"state or national"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1523.49,"endTime":1525.74,"body":"municipalities."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1526.13,"endTime":1529.19,"body":"Okay, wait. So we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1526.13,"endTime":1529.19,"body":"already talked about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1529.19,"endTime":1533.6,"body":"disestablishment, and it's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1529.19,"endTime":1533.6,"body":"already illegal for anybody to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1533.6,"endTime":1537.71,"body":"make laws in the US based on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1533.6,"endTime":1537.71,"body":"religion. And like all of this"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1537.71,"endTime":1541.58,"body":"is sounding very familiar to me."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1537.71,"endTime":1541.58,"body":"Like we covered approximately 1"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1541.58,"endTime":1544.64,"body":"million of these things before"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1541.58,"endTime":1544.64,"body":"so why are we doing all new"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1544.64,"endTime":1547.25,"body":"episode of nationalism? Did you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1544.64,"endTime":1547.25,"body":"just want to talk more? Are you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1547.25,"endTime":1548.57,"body":"not getting enough attention at"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1547.25,"endTime":1548.57,"body":"home?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1550.58,"endTime":1554.21,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1550.58,"endTime":1554.21,"body":"mean, I always want to talk but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.21,"endTime":1557.54,"body":"I think nationalism gets its own"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1554.21,"endTime":1557.54,"body":"freestanding episode dear nerds,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1557.54,"endTime":1560.72,"body":"because nationalism is a place"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1557.54,"endTime":1560.72,"body":"where we can see the effects of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1560.72,"endTime":1564.05,"body":"religion and politics Polit"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1560.72,"endTime":1564.05,"body":"politicize religion, religion in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1564.05,"endTime":1568.28,"body":"the floorboards all at once. 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And for example, one of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1583.34,"endTime":1588.02,"body":"my major like, why do we care"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1583.34,"endTime":1588.02,"body":"moments here is that religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1588.02,"endTime":1591.71,"body":"nationalism is honestly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1588.02,"endTime":1591.71,"body":"nefarious, even when it rarely"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1591.71,"endTime":1595.13,"body":"starts off that way. And here's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1591.71,"endTime":1595.13,"body":"where I think I'll do like a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1595.13,"endTime":1600.89,"body":"legit shock and awe. And I want"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1595.13,"endTime":1600.89,"body":"to be as brief as possible. But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1600.89,"endTime":1604.94,"body":"I also want to signpost places"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1600.89,"endTime":1604.94,"body":"where religious nationalism is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1604.97,"endTime":1608.54,"body":"part of the story right now, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1604.97,"endTime":1608.54,"body":"I'm going to do my best to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1608.54,"endTime":1613.1,"body":"ignore the US and Europe,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1608.54,"endTime":1613.1,"body":"frankly. So that you know, Megan"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1613.1,"endTime":1617.51,"body":"has something to say later,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1613.1,"endTime":1617.51,"body":"since I'm filibustering. 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I hate the idea"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2478.09,"endTime":2481.51,"body":"because let's be real, my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2481.51,"endTime":2485.08,"body":"birthright is either nothing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2481.51,"endTime":2485.08,"body":"like because I'm not in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2485.08,"endTime":2490.72,"body":"family of my birth. 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I should"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2695.77,"endTime":2700.54,"body":"not turn that's I should not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2700.54,"endTime":2703.45,"body":"write to you. It really did"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2700.54,"endTime":2703.45,"body":"that. So I like the bubbles."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2704.23,"endTime":2707.26,"body":"Don't forget that all of this"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2704.23,"endTime":2707.26,"body":"and more will be in the show"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2707.26,"endTime":2710.8,"body":"notes, at least what do you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2707.26,"endTime":2710.8,"body":"recommend? 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