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I had to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2162.42,"endTime":2166.83,"body":"come back with a notarized piece"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2166.83,"endTime":2169.68,"body":"of paper from a lawyer that was"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2166.83,"endTime":2169.68,"body":"like, this is actually a real"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2169.68,"endTime":2172.53,"body":"birth certificate. You have to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2169.68,"endTime":2172.53,"body":"grant her it. And that makes"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2172.53,"endTime":2176.79,"body":"sense, right? 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Is really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3152.06,"endTime":3154.31,"body":"complicated, because, like lots"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3152.06,"endTime":3154.31,"body":"of Christians believe it's like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3154.34,"endTime":3157.64,"body":"they have to choose baptism. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3154.34,"endTime":3157.64,"body":"is a child born Christian in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3157.64,"endTime":3159.83,"body":"same way that a child is born"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3157.64,"endTime":3159.83,"body":"Muslim or Jewish?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3159.89,"endTime":3161.66,"body":"Let's be honest."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3159.89,"endTime":3161.66,"body":"That's some Protestant nonsense."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3161.66,"endTime":3163.4,"body":"Catholics don't bother asking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3161.66,"endTime":3163.4,"body":"their kids. Asking their kids."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3163.4,"endTime":3163.67,"body":"They just don't."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3163.67,"endTime":3165.47,"body":"But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3163.67,"endTime":3165.47,"body":"the Protestants are the thing in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3165.47,"endTime":3169.13,"body":"that region of the world, right?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3165.47,"endTime":3169.13,"body":"So, like, it's complicated, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3169.13,"endTime":3171.68,"body":"I want to be clear, this is not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3169.13,"endTime":3171.68,"body":"just Israel, right? So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3171.68,"endTime":3176.48,"body":"Indonesia, for example, does"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3171.68,"endTime":3176.48,"body":"this as well, with no"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3176.48,"endTime":3180.89,"body":"interreligious or inter ethnic"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3176.48,"endTime":3180.89,"body":"adoption. But it does. I want us"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3180.89,"endTime":3186.35,"body":"nerds to show our listeners that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3180.89,"endTime":3186.35,"body":"the only Jewish state in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3186.35,"endTime":3189.26,"body":"world has reinterpreted Jewish"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3186.35,"endTime":3189.26,"body":"law so that adoptions can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3189.26,"endTime":3190.37,"body":"actually happen."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3192.66,"endTime":3196.08,"body":"It almost sounds"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3192.66,"endTime":3196.08,"body":"like the and I'm going to put"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3196.08,"endTime":3201.38,"body":"this in quote here, right to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3196.08,"endTime":3201.38,"body":"adopt is directly involved in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3201.98,"endTime":3205.7,"body":"statecraft and nation making,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3201.98,"endTime":3205.7,"body":"huh?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3206.14,"endTime":3209.29,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3206.14,"endTime":3209.29,"body":"that's funny, isn't it?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3209.47,"endTime":3212.14,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3209.47,"endTime":3212.14,"body":"interesting. Checks out. Okay,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3212.17,"endTime":3217.27,"body":"so Judaism complex relationship"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3212.17,"endTime":3217.27,"body":"with adoption religiously. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3217.27,"endTime":3220.36,"body":"if religion is what people do"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3217.27,"endTime":3220.36,"body":"and people adopt, then Jews have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3220.36,"endTime":3223.54,"body":"figured out ways, both within"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3220.36,"endTime":3223.54,"body":"nation states like the US, UK"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3223.54,"endTime":3227.8,"body":"and Israel, and within religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3223.54,"endTime":3227.8,"body":"communities to adopt and keep it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3227.8,"endTime":3228.25,"body":"kosher."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3229.72,"endTime":3231.76,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3229.72,"endTime":3231.76,"body":"that checks out. Should we talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3231.76,"endTime":3232.3,"body":"about Islam?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3232.78,"endTime":3233.38,"body":"Why not?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3234.14,"endTime":3235.61,"body":"How"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3234.14,"endTime":3235.61,"body":"about I take this one?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3235.85,"endTime":3236.57,"body":"Yes, please."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3237.5,"endTime":3239.12,"body":"Adoption"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3237.5,"endTime":3239.12,"body":"in Islam is actually pretty"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3239.12,"endTime":3242.63,"body":"complicated. Legally, like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3239.12,"endTime":3242.63,"body":"Judaism, Islam has a tradition"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3242.66,"endTime":3245.57,"body":"of interpretation and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3242.66,"endTime":3245.57,"body":"jurisprudence, and for all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3245.57,"endTime":3248.36,"body":"Muslims that exist in the world,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3245.57,"endTime":3248.36,"body":"a myriad ways of thinking about"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3248.36,"endTime":3252.26,"body":"that thick or Jewish"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3248.36,"endTime":3252.26,"body":"jurisprudence. Here are the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3252.26,"endTime":3256.85,"body":"highlights, though, Islam has"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3252.26,"endTime":3256.85,"body":"some prominent orphans, like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3257.21,"endTime":3260.39,"body":"Muhammad. He's arguably the most"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3257.21,"endTime":3260.39,"body":"important one."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3260.42,"endTime":3264.26,"body":"Yeah, I've heard"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3260.42,"endTime":3264.26,"body":"of him. He's, I feel like he's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3264.26,"endTime":3264.98,"body":"kind of a big deal."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3265.41,"endTime":3268.98,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3265.41,"endTime":3268.98,"body":"Islamic adoption, textually,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3268.98,"endTime":3271.23,"body":"looks similar to Jewish"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3268.98,"endTime":3271.23,"body":"adoption, where there's a sense"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3271.23,"endTime":3274.02,"body":"that one cannot and should not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3271.23,"endTime":3274.02,"body":"try to sever the ties of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3274.02,"endTime":3278.13,"body":"child from their biological"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3274.02,"endTime":3278.13,"body":"family. So no closed adoption, a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3278.13,"endTime":3281.43,"body":"reticence to changing the names"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3278.13,"endTime":3281.43,"body":"either first or last for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3281.43,"endTime":3285.57,"body":"adoptees, that sort of thing."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3281.43,"endTime":3285.57,"body":"However, Islam is explicit that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3285.57,"endTime":3288.72,"body":"caring for foundlings is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3285.57,"endTime":3288.72,"body":"mandatory period the end"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3289.02,"endTime":3291.66,"body":"mandatory. This is there's no"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3289.02,"endTime":3291.66,"body":"bones about it. The legal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3291.66,"endTime":3296.28,"body":"schools are not in they're in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3291.66,"endTime":3296.28,"body":"agreement. There's no argument."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3296.93,"endTime":3300.14,"body":"But supporting us foundlings and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3296.93,"endTime":3300.14,"body":"adoption are actually quite"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3300.14,"endTime":3303.47,"body":"orphans are different"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3300.14,"endTime":3303.47,"body":"than adoption. And in Muslim"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3303.47,"endTime":3306.8,"body":"history and communities, there's"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3303.47,"endTime":3306.8,"body":"a disconnect between how we"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3306.8,"endTime":3309.92,"body":"Westerners talk about adoption"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3306.8,"endTime":3309.92,"body":"and what is considered legally"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3309.92,"endTime":3315.08,"body":"ideal in some big picture ways."},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3309.92,"endTime":3315.08,"body":"And I want to be clear, because"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3315.08,"endTime":3317.36,"body":"I know that our nerds are"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3315.08,"endTime":3317.36,"body":"folding their laundry while they"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3317.36,"endTime":3319.43,"body":"listen to us, and they're also"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3317.36,"endTime":3319.43,"body":"googling. They're like, huh, I"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3319.43,"endTime":3321.5,"body":"never thought about Islam and"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3319.43,"endTime":3321.5,"body":"adoption, and they're like,"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3321.53,"endTime":3325.07,"body":"pulling it up right now. And"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3321.53,"endTime":3325.07,"body":"before you say, Oh, actually,"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3325.07,"endTime":3329.12,"body":"Ilyse, on the on the internet, I"},{"speaker":"different","startTime":3325.07,"endTime":3329.12,"body":"read this really crazy stuff,"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3329.72,"endTime":3334.46,"body":"yes. 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Because"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3363.23,"endTime":3365.93,"body":"when you don't know who your"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3365.93,"endTime":3370.97,"body":"family is, you don't know who"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3365.93,"endTime":3370.97,"body":"your family is. 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The"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3431.09,"endTime":3434.63,"body":"State Department literally says"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3431.09,"endTime":3434.63,"body":"on its website that the way we"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3434.63,"endTime":3438.53,"body":"do immigration papers here,"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3434.63,"endTime":3438.53,"body":"where a child's last name"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3438.53,"endTime":3442.64,"body":"reflects that of their parents"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3438.53,"endTime":3442.64,"body":"probably won't work because many"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3442.64,"endTime":3445.46,"body":"Muslim majority nations allow"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3442.64,"endTime":3445.46,"body":"for something closer to what we"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3445.46,"endTime":3449.51,"body":"would call guardianship,"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3445.46,"endTime":3449.51,"body":"fostering or permanent"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3449.51,"endTime":3452.51,"body":"guardianship, rather than"},{"speaker":"here's the clap back","startTime":3449.51,"endTime":3452.51,"body":"adoption. And Megan?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":3453.05,"endTime":3455.0,"body":"yes, IRMF?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3455.0,"endTime":3456.8,"body":"want"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3455.0,"endTime":3456.8,"body":"to be really clear that even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3456.8,"endTime":3459.35,"body":"though a lot of Americans see"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3456.8,"endTime":3459.35,"body":"this in Islam and say, Oh, they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3459.35,"endTime":3462.29,"body":"say, No adoptions, but you can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3459.35,"endTime":3462.29,"body":"foster permanently, Ooh, that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3462.29,"endTime":3466.31,"body":"sounds really barbaric and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":3462.29,"endTime":3466.31,"body":"backward. 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