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Like, I knew what was"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1167.4,"endTime":1170.49,"body":"wrong, but I couldn't quite"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1167.4,"endTime":1170.49,"body":"figure out what felt right."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1174.03,"endTime":1176.73,"body":"Well, would you do it again?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1174.03,"endTime":1176.73,"body":"Would you write a book with me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1176.73,"endTime":1177.18,"body":"again?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1177.57,"endTime":1179.22,"body":"I would write a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1177.57,"endTime":1179.22,"body":"book with you again."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1179.31,"endTime":1180.75,"body":"Not,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1179.31,"endTime":1180.75,"body":"not for a while, though,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1181.29,"endTime":1186.9,"body":"I, like, I in in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1181.29,"endTime":1186.9,"body":"the great vein of books is what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1186.9,"endTime":1190.2,"body":"we do. I have left the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1186.9,"endTime":1190.2,"body":"traditional Academy, and yet I'm"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1190.2,"endTime":1192.84,"body":"still unwilling to let go of my"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1190.2,"endTime":1192.84,"body":"next book project, and I've got"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1192.84,"endTime":1195.33,"body":"one planned after that. So,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1192.84,"endTime":1195.33,"body":"like, I would like to do some"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1195.33,"endTime":1197.58,"body":"research writing for a while,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1195.33,"endTime":1197.58,"body":"but I would absolutely write a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1197.58,"endTime":1200.43,"body":"book with you again. And I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1197.58,"endTime":1200.43,"body":"would, I would. Like to think"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1200.43,"endTime":1203.37,"body":"that maybe it would go smoother"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1200.43,"endTime":1203.37,"body":"this time, but who can say?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1205.039,"endTime":1206.419,"body":"all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1205.039,"endTime":1206.419,"body":"things considered? I actually"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1206.419,"endTime":1210.259,"body":"think it went real smooth, but I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1206.419,"endTime":1210.259,"body":"think it was a fascinating part"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1210.259,"endTime":1215.179,"body":"of our friendship to have to say"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1210.259,"endTime":1215.179,"body":"like, I love you as a scholar, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1215.179,"endTime":1218.539,"body":"read every word you write. You"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1215.179,"endTime":1218.539,"body":"read every word I write, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1218.539,"endTime":1223.069,"body":"have for honestly, more than a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1218.539,"endTime":1223.069,"body":"decade at this point. So it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1223.069,"endTime":1225.529,"body":"not like, I don't know your"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1223.069,"endTime":1225.529,"body":"tone. It was just so interesting"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1225.529,"endTime":1228.709,"body":"to have that tone be my tone. It"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1225.529,"endTime":1228.709,"body":"was like, oh, oh. When I don't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1228.709,"endTime":1232.519,"body":"talk in writing, I'm like, all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1228.709,"endTime":1232.519,"body":"for it. But when it has my name"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1232.519,"endTime":1235.459,"body":"on it, and I'm like, Ooh, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1232.519,"endTime":1235.459,"body":"don't these pants don't fit,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1235.549,"endTime":1238.189,"body":"this is wrong. Like, this is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1235.549,"endTime":1238.189,"body":"itchy. I'm wearing an itchy"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1238.189,"endTime":1239.269,"body":"sock. You know?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1239.559,"endTime":1242.272,"body":"well, and it has"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1239.559,"endTime":1242.272,"body":"that. For me, it was also a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1242.334,"endTime":1246.095,"body":"thing of, like, I don't know,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1242.334,"endTime":1246.095,"body":"this is how I would say this. I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1246.157,"endTime":1249.857,"body":"don't see the problem. Slash,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1246.157,"endTime":1249.857,"body":"I'm not just saying it for me,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1249.919,"endTime":1253.742,"body":"I'm saying it for us, which is,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1249.919,"endTime":1253.742,"body":"that's a thing that I'm always"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1253.804,"endTime":1257.196,"body":"going to work on, always,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1253.804,"endTime":1257.196,"body":"because I just don't think in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1257.257,"endTime":1261.266,"body":"teams. but also, like, in a real"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1257.257,"endTime":1261.266,"body":"way, you have to think about how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1261.327,"endTime":1265.212,"body":"this book gets received within"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1261.327,"endTime":1265.212,"body":"the academy in a way that I have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1265.274,"endTime":1269.098,"body":"the luxury of, like, not giving"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1265.274,"endTime":1269.098,"body":"a shit about honestly. Like, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1269.159,"endTime":1273.106,"body":"said, what I said? What are you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1269.159,"endTime":1273.106,"body":"gonna do? Not hire me some more."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1273.168,"endTime":1276.991,"body":"Suck it. So, which I think is,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1273.168,"endTime":1276.991,"body":"in some ways really freeing and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1277.053,"endTime":1280.074,"body":"in some ways maybe"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1277.053,"endTime":1280.074,"body":"counterproductive. So I'm glad"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1280.136,"endTime":1281.74,"body":"that we reached a balance."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1281.74,"endTime":1284.198,"body":"Me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1281.74,"endTime":1284.198,"body":"too. well on that note, Megan,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1284.273,"endTime":1286.359,"body":"what do we have left to say?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1287.079,"endTime":1289.119,"body":"We have left to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1287.079,"endTime":1289.119,"body":"say that you can find us across"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1289.119,"endTime":1292.119,"body":"social media, still on Twitter,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1289.119,"endTime":1292.119,"body":"reluctantly and Insta and Tiktok"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1292.119,"endTime":1294.459,"body":"and Facebook. And if none of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1292.119,"endTime":1294.459,"body":"that crumbles your cookie, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1294.459,"endTime":1297.039,"body":"have a newsletter you can join"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1294.459,"endTime":1297.039,"body":"via our website, which is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1297.219,"endTime":1301.019,"body":"keeping it one, oh one.com, drop"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1297.219,"endTime":1301.019,"body":"us a rating review in your"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1301.019,"endTime":1302.039,"body":"podcaster of choice,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1302.099,"endTime":1303.599,"body":"and if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1302.099,"endTime":1303.599,"body":"you are one of the people that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1303.599,"endTime":1305.999,"body":"are hoping to get us to come to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1303.599,"endTime":1305.999,"body":"your local bookstore to do a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1305.999,"endTime":1308.939,"body":"book reading, or to your campus"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1305.999,"endTime":1308.939,"body":"to give a talk, that would be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1308.939,"endTime":1312.059,"body":"amazing. Please, please, please,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1308.939,"endTime":1312.059,"body":"do reach out to us, or better"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1312.059,"endTime":1315.659,"body":"yet, to Caitlin Meyer, our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1312.059,"endTime":1315.659,"body":"incredible marketing and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1315.659,"endTime":1319.079,"body":"publicity Maven, over at Beacon."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1315.659,"endTime":1319.079,"body":"All of that contact information"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1319.079,"endTime":1325.039,"body":"is over on our website, so get"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1319.079,"endTime":1325.039,"body":"to it with that peace out nerds"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1325.399,"endTime":1325.579,"body":"and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1325.579,"endTime":1327.319,"body":"do your homework."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1325.579,"endTime":1327.319,"body":"It's on the syllabus. You"},{"speaker":"Belle","startTime":1350.98,"endTime":1359.782,"body":"it's my favorite part,"},{"speaker":"Belle","startTime":1350.98,"endTime":1359.782,"body":"because you see we shake please"},{"speaker":"Belle","startTime":1359.945,"endTime":1369.399,"body":"wish Prince Charming, but she"},{"speaker":"Belle","startTime":1359.945,"endTime":1369.399,"body":"won't discover that it's him"},{"speaker":"Belle","startTime":1369.562,"endTime":1372.66,"body":"till chapter three."}]}