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So to tell"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2678.72,"endTime":2686.3,"body":"other people who were not wanted"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2686.3,"endTime":2690.2,"body":"or able to be kept by the family"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2686.3,"endTime":2690.2,"body":"that birthed them that their"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2690.2,"endTime":2692.72,"body":"feelings are less important,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2690.2,"endTime":2692.72,"body":"their experiences are less"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2692.72,"endTime":2696.26,"body":"important. Their trauma is less"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2692.72,"endTime":2696.26,"body":"important than your desire to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2696.26,"endTime":2700.6,"body":"make your own family. That"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2696.26,"endTime":2700.6,"body":"fucking sucks. I hate that. 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Say more."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2781.2,"endTime":2787.2,"body":"Okay, well, so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2781.2,"endTime":2787.2,"body":"I'm this first came up in a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2787.2,"endTime":2794.1,"body":"conversation about abuse that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2787.2,"endTime":2794.1,"body":"happens in families. 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