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Like, for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1273.02,"endTime":1275.9,"body":"example, in the in the largest"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1273.02,"endTime":1275.9,"body":"Shia majority country in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1275.9,"endTime":1280.4,"body":"world, Iran, tattooing is an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1275.9,"endTime":1280.4,"body":"underground, heavily regulated"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1280.4,"endTime":1284.68,"body":"practice, but, like, we still"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1280.4,"endTime":1284.68,"body":"see a variety in approaches in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1284.68,"endTime":1287.74,"body":"between and amongst Muslims,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1284.68,"endTime":1287.74,"body":"which, you know, is the spice of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1287.74,"endTime":1289.12,"body":"life and religion. Yeah, it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1287.74,"endTime":1289.12,"body":"gonna"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1289.12,"endTime":1292.3,"body":"say. It's almost"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1289.12,"endTime":1292.3,"body":"like religion is what people do,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1292.3,"endTime":1295.18,"body":"and people do a bunch of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1292.3,"endTime":1295.18,"body":"different things they sure do."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1295.42,"endTime":1299.98,"body":"Well, sure do. Someone ought to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1295.42,"endTime":1299.98,"body":"write a book. 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Sure, sure."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1338.42,"endTime":1343.3,"body":"Like we know that facial tattoos"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1343.3,"endTime":1347.62,"body":"existed in a big way in some"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1343.3,"endTime":1347.62,"body":"Buddhist and Hindu communities"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1347.62,"endTime":1351.7,"body":"across Asia, especially in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1347.62,"endTime":1351.7,"body":"region that is marked now by the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1351.7,"endTime":1356.56,"body":"Himalayan Mountains, Nepal,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1351.7,"endTime":1356.56,"body":"Tibet, like those parts of Asia"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1356.86,"endTime":1360.1,"body":"and but those are the same exact"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1356.86,"endTime":1360.1,"body":"communities that have really"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1360.1,"endTime":1363.84,"body":"struggled to survive after"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1360.1,"endTime":1363.84,"body":"imperialism Christian missionary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1363.84,"endTime":1368.04,"body":"work and the global stigma and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1363.84,"endTime":1368.04,"body":"the requirement of seeking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1368.04,"endTime":1371.04,"body":"employment within Global"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1368.04,"endTime":1371.04,"body":"Industrial Systems. Totally,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1371.16,"endTime":1374.34,"body":"totally. I'm also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1371.16,"endTime":1374.34,"body":"thinking like I have seen"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1374.34,"endTime":1377.88,"body":"Aboriginal activists in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1374.34,"endTime":1377.88,"body":"Australia and New Zealand, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1377.88,"endTime":1382.94,"body":"particularly women. Aboriginal"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1377.88,"endTime":1382.94,"body":"activists really reclaim facial"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1382.94,"endTime":1387.02,"body":"tattooing. You see it a lot in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1382.94,"endTime":1387.02,"body":"season four of True Detective,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1387.02,"endTime":1391.76,"body":"actually, where the Inuit women"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1387.02,"endTime":1391.76,"body":"are having facial tattoos. It's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1391.76,"endTime":1394.7,"body":"a whole crisis moment in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1391.76,"endTime":1394.7,"body":"series. And I'm also thinking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1394.7,"endTime":1397.04,"body":"very specifically, like my first"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1394.7,"endTime":1397.04,"body":"thought was like, Oh, well,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1397.04,"endTime":1399.44,"body":"obviously six right out. Like,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1397.04,"endTime":1399.44,"body":"you can't get a haircut. You're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1399.44,"endTime":1401.92,"body":"definitely not getting tattoos."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1399.44,"endTime":1401.92,"body":"But I just remembered when I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1401.92,"endTime":1404.62,"body":"used to teach global religions,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1401.92,"endTime":1404.62,"body":"one of the images that I used"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1404.62,"endTime":1410.98,"body":"was a tattoo, or was an image of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1404.62,"endTime":1410.98,"body":"a baptized sick guy, so would"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1411.1,"endTime":1413.5,"body":"not cut his hair, would not cut"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1411.1,"endTime":1413.5,"body":"his beard, wore a turban, did"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1413.5,"endTime":1417.28,"body":"all of the things, but he's also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1413.5,"endTime":1417.28,"body":"got the what would be the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1417.28,"endTime":1421.02,"body":"boundaries of Punjab tattooed on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1417.28,"endTime":1421.02,"body":"his neck. 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So speaking of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1424.44,"endTime":1428.4,"body":"relationships to colonialism and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1424.44,"endTime":1428.4,"body":"imperialism, yeah, oh, go ahead."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1428.4,"endTime":1428.58,"body":"No, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1428.58,"endTime":1430.08,"body":"was"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1428.58,"endTime":1430.08,"body":"gonna, I was just gonna affirm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1430.08,"endTime":1432.6,"body":"what you were saying, that there"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1430.08,"endTime":1432.6,"body":"is so much on indigenous"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1432.6,"endTime":1436.38,"body":"tattooing in various places, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1432.6,"endTime":1436.38,"body":"to be honest with you, for our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1436.38,"endTime":1439.8,"body":"listeners, I didn't include a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1436.38,"endTime":1439.8,"body":"lot of it because quite a lot of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1439.8,"endTime":1444.02,"body":"the popularly accessible work is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1439.8,"endTime":1444.02,"body":"by white people trying to do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1444.02,"endTime":1448.28,"body":"appropriation of native stuff."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1444.02,"endTime":1448.28,"body":"And so without, I didn't, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1448.28,"endTime":1451.1,"body":"didn't want us to treat it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1448.28,"endTime":1451.1,"body":"superficially, without getting"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1451.16,"endTime":1454.88,"body":"into that level of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1451.16,"endTime":1454.88,"body":"appropriation. 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And not every indigenous"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1465.76,"endTime":1468.94,"body":"community has a tattooing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1468.94,"endTime":1472.96,"body":"culture, obviously, but quite a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1468.94,"endTime":1472.96,"body":"lot do, and often they're"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1473.62,"endTime":1477.04,"body":"markings to demonstrate place"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1473.62,"endTime":1477.04,"body":"and space. Where are you from?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1477.04,"endTime":1480.9,"body":"Who are your people? To"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1477.04,"endTime":1480.9,"body":"demonstrate rank, coming of age"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1481.68,"endTime":1485.16,"body":"role in a community. 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So the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1506.36,"endTime":1509.48,"body":"scholarship feels like it's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1509.48,"endTime":1511.76,"body":"wanting, but we'll see when we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1509.48,"endTime":1511.76,"body":"get to homework, that I have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1511.76,"endTime":1512.66,"body":"gotten some stuff"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1512.72,"endTime":1516.38,"body":"all right, cool,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1512.72,"endTime":1516.38,"body":"cool, cool. So what I what I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1516.38,"endTime":1519.5,"body":"have learned today, and what I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1516.38,"endTime":1519.5,"body":"would have known already had I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1519.5,"endTime":1522.4,"body":"given a moment to think about it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1519.5,"endTime":1522.4,"body":"is that the practice of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1522.4,"endTime":1527.38,"body":"tattooing and its relationship"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1522.4,"endTime":1527.38,"body":"to religion and race making are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1527.38,"endTime":1531.16,"body":"directly just all tied up in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1527.38,"endTime":1531.16,"body":"imperialism, colonialism,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1531.16,"endTime":1534.64,"body":"because, of course, they are. 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