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Guess who's most"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":380.84,"endTime":386.12,"body":"likely to identify as religious?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":386.3,"endTime":389.75,"body":"People of color, women, poor"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":386.3,"endTime":389.75,"body":"folks. Guess who's most likely"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":389.75,"endTime":393.68,"body":"to not identify as religious or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":389.75,"endTime":393.68,"body":"to identify as atheist? White"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":393.68,"endTime":397.52,"body":"cis dudes. Now this isn't to say"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":393.68,"endTime":397.52,"body":"that all women, all people of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":397.52,"endTime":400.61,"body":"color, all poor people, are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":397.52,"endTime":400.61,"body":"religious, or that there aren't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":400.64,"endTime":404.3,"body":"vibrant and important traditions"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":400.64,"endTime":404.3,"body":"of, like, Black Free Thought."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":404.81,"endTime":408.02,"body":"But overwhelmingly, the folks"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":404.81,"endTime":408.02,"body":"who identify as not religious"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":408.05,"endTime":411.71,"body":"tend to be white. So dismissing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":408.05,"endTime":411.71,"body":"religion as stupid or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":411.89,"endTime":415.16,"body":"irrelevant, isn't just missing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":411.89,"endTime":415.16,"body":"the boat. It's racist. It's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":415.16,"endTime":419.63,"body":"sexist. It's classist. And, it"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":415.16,"endTime":419.63,"body":"is incorrect. So let's talk"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":419.66,"endTime":423.08,"body":"about who thinks they're done"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":419.66,"endTime":423.08,"body":"with religion? Who gets to opt"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":423.08,"endTime":424.49,"body":"out? Who's allowed to opt out?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":424.94,"endTime":428.36,"body":"Yes,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":424.94,"endTime":428.36,"body":"please. Let's talk about that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":428.84,"endTime":432.65,"body":"Because even though voluntary is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":428.84,"endTime":432.65,"body":"a really good keyword alert"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":432.65,"endTime":433.22,"body":"moment."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":434.15,"endTime":434.18,"body":"Ooh."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":434.54,"endTime":436.49,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":434.54,"endTime":436.49,"body":"idea that we all have equal"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":436.49,"endTime":440.84,"body":"access to choose, like you just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":436.49,"endTime":440.84,"body":"said, is racist, classist,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":440.84,"endTime":443.93,"body":"sexist, and incorrect. But"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":440.84,"endTime":443.93,"body":"specifically, this idea of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":443.93,"endTime":450.05,"body":"choosing is not just individual,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":443.93,"endTime":450.05,"body":"it's communal. So I loathe the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":450.05,"endTime":453.8,"body":"idea that somehow some of us are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":450.05,"endTime":453.8,"body":"part of 'voluntary religions,'"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":453.92,"endTime":457.73,"body":"because some of our volunteerism"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":453.92,"endTime":457.73,"body":"is not recognized as legitimate."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":458.12,"endTime":462.02,"body":"So here's what I mean by that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":458.12,"endTime":462.02,"body":"Who gets to assert that they are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":462.02,"endTime":465.77,"body":"an atheist, and then be"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":462.02,"endTime":465.77,"body":"believed, is a really good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":465.77,"endTime":468.98,"body":"example. And I think one of the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":465.77,"endTime":468.98,"body":"ways we can see this is in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":469.16,"endTime":475.16,"body":"names. There's a long standing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":469.16,"endTime":475.16,"body":"gag on Twitter, about like, #"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":475.16,"endTime":480.17,"body":"flying while brown. There's a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":475.16,"endTime":480.17,"body":"very good set of comics, who do"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":480.17,"endTime":483.59,"body":"shticks about, like, 'My name is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":480.17,"endTime":483.59,"body":"Ahmed Ahmed, that's my real"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":483.59,"endTime":488.9,"body":"name, and no, I can't fly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":483.59,"endTime":488.9,"body":"anywhere.' And like, LOL, sob."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":489.08,"endTime":494.39,"body":"But here's the real question."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":489.08,"endTime":494.39,"body":"When folks are racialized, when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":494.39,"endTime":495.98,"body":"religions are racialized,"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":496.04,"endTime":497.96,"body":"It's our secret word of"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":496.04,"endTime":497.96,"body":"the day!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":498.77,"endTime":500.78,"body":"Which"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":498.77,"endTime":500.78,"body":"is to say that when a religion,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":500.78,"endTime":504.89,"body":"like Islam, is thought to be one"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":500.78,"endTime":504.89,"body":"homogenous whole, and that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":505.13,"endTime":510.38,"body":"identity of Muslim tells someone"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":505.13,"endTime":510.38,"body":"something intrinsic and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":510.38,"endTime":514.19,"body":"prognostic about that person's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":510.38,"endTime":514.19,"body":"thoughts, actions, futures,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":514.19,"endTime":517.88,"body":"past, children, country of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":514.19,"endTime":517.88,"body":"origin, region of origin,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":517.88,"endTime":522.17,"body":"language, etc. What happens when"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":517.88,"endTime":522.17,"body":"your name is Ahmed Ahmed, can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":522.17,"endTime":525.44,"body":"you be an atheist? No, of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":522.17,"endTime":525.44,"body":"course, there are real people"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":525.44,"endTime":528.98,"body":"named Ahmed Ahmed. And I'm sure"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":525.44,"endTime":528.98,"body":"that in a world of 1.8 billion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":528.98,"endTime":531.41,"body":"Muslims, many of whom have the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":528.98,"endTime":531.41,"body":"first name Ahmed and quite a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":531.41,"endTime":533.96,"body":"number have last name Ahmed,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":531.41,"endTime":533.96,"body":"some of them have- are bound to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":533.96,"endTime":538.76,"body":"be atheist. So dear Mr. Ahmed, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":533.96,"endTime":538.76,"body":"am not talking about you. I am"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":538.76,"endTime":542.21,"body":"however, talking about this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":538.76,"endTime":542.21,"body":"imagined guy, Mr. Ahmed, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":542.21,"endTime":547.73,"body":"whether or not systems of power"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":542.21,"endTime":547.73,"body":"believe him to be an atheist. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":547.73,"endTime":552.26,"body":"when he shows up in the TSA"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":547.73,"endTime":552.26,"body":"precheck line, does someone look"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":552.26,"endTime":555.8,"body":"at his name and think, let me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":552.26,"endTime":555.8,"body":"check to see if he believes in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":555.8,"endTime":561.41,"body":"God. Before I assume that a very"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":555.8,"endTime":561.41,"body":"particular understanding of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":561.44,"endTime":565.37,"body":"terrorism, in which Muslims are"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":561.44,"endTime":565.37,"body":"commanded by their religious"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":565.37,"endTime":569.3,"body":"texts, and their God, and their"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":565.37,"endTime":569.3,"body":"religious community, to wage"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":569.3,"endTime":573.26,"body":"war, which, P.S. everybody, you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":569.3,"endTime":573.26,"body":"hear my tone, this is not real."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":573.71,"endTime":574.58,"body":"That is not true."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":574.7,"endTime":575.99,"body":"But if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":574.7,"endTime":575.99,"body":"that's what the system of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":575.99,"endTime":579.89,"body":"surveillance is based on, do you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":575.99,"endTime":579.89,"body":"think Mr. Ahmed, our imaginary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":579.89,"endTime":583.85,"body":"atheist, is allowed to say to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":579.89,"endTime":583.85,"body":"the TSA guy, \"Yo, buddy, let me"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":583.85,"endTime":587.0,"body":"just, uh, wink-wink,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":583.85,"endTime":587.0,"body":"nudge-nudge, I know my name is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":587.0,"endTime":590.69,"body":"Ahmed. No big deal. I'm an"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":587.0,"endTime":590.69,"body":"atheist.\" And then the dude at"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":590.69,"endTime":596.69,"body":"the TSA is like, \"Oh, sorry,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":590.69,"endTime":596.69,"body":"man. Go right ahead.\" That's not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":596.69,"endTime":601.91,"body":"how this works. There is no"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":596.69,"endTime":601.91,"body":"universe in which Mr. Ahmed will"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":601.91,"endTime":606.68,"body":"be taken seriously as someone"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":601.91,"endTime":606.68,"body":"who is unaffiliated with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":606.68,"endTime":611.12,"body":"religion broadly, and with Islam"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":606.68,"endTime":611.12,"body":"specifically, given the name on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":611.12,"endTime":615.98,"body":"his documents. And so this \"Hey,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":611.12,"endTime":615.98,"body":"man, if your concern is that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":615.98,"endTime":618.98,"body":"I'll murder in the name of God,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":615.98,"endTime":618.98,"body":"I don't believe in that dude. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.98,"endTime":621.02,"body":"no worries, mate, can I go"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":618.98,"endTime":621.02,"body":"through I'd like to get to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":621.02,"endTime":624.29,"body":"Starbucks before my flight.\" If"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":621.02,"endTime":624.29,"body":"that doesn't work, then this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":624.29,"endTime":627.56,"body":"question of volunteerism is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":624.29,"endTime":627.56,"body":"rendered null and void because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":627.56,"endTime":631.07,"body":"Mr. Ahmed does not have the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":627.56,"endTime":631.07,"body":"choice to opt out."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":632.35,"endTime":635.17,"body":"LOL sob, indeed."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":632.35,"endTime":635.17,"body":"Also point of order, I want to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":635.17,"endTime":640.75,"body":"point out that your imaginary"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":635.17,"endTime":640.75,"body":"Ahmed Ahmed atheist still refers"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":640.75,"endTime":644.26,"body":"to God as a \"he,\" just saying."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":640.75,"endTime":644.26,"body":"This is another place where we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":644.26,"endTime":646.84,"body":"think about, like, what are our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":644.26,"endTime":646.84,"body":"assumptions about religion even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":646.84,"endTime":650.17,"body":"if we claim we're atheist? A lot"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":646.84,"endTime":650.17,"body":"of times atheists are pushing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":650.17,"endTime":652.57,"body":"back against a very specific,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":650.17,"endTime":652.57,"body":"and often very Christian"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":652.57,"endTime":654.88,"body":"understanding of God, just"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":652.57,"endTime":654.88,"body":"saying! It's a thing."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":654.94,"endTime":656.11,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":654.94,"endTime":656.11,"body":"yeah, yeah. Call me out on my"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":656.11,"endTime":657.07,"body":"sexism Go for it."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":658.63,"endTime":660.49,"body":"Technically, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":658.63,"endTime":660.49,"body":"was calling Ahmed Ahmed out, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":660.49,"endTime":662.77,"body":"like he's got bigger problems"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":660.49,"endTime":662.77,"body":"and he is definitely not getting"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":662.77,"endTime":664.72,"body":"to the Starbucks before he gets"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":662.77,"endTime":664.72,"body":"on his plane. Just saying."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":666.49,"endTime":668.29,"body":"Who"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":666.49,"endTime":668.29,"body":"wants Starbucks anyway? I mean-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":669.17,"endTime":672.38,"body":"No, it's gross."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":669.17,"endTime":672.38,"body":"They over-burn their beans. So"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":672.41,"endTime":675.59,"body":"our first concern with this 'you"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":672.41,"endTime":675.59,"body":"might be done with religion, but"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":675.59,"endTime":678.98,"body":"religion is not done with you'"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":675.59,"endTime":678.98,"body":"is, who gets to opt in and opt"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":678.98,"endTime":684.08,"body":"out of being religious, or of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":678.98,"endTime":684.08,"body":"getting coded as religious. Our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":684.08,"endTime":687.59,"body":"second bit, is this 'spiritual,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":684.08,"endTime":687.59,"body":"but not religious' thing, which"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":687.59,"endTime":692.48,"body":"like, you can hear both Ilyse"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":687.59,"endTime":692.48,"body":"and I do a, like, \"[heavy sigh]"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":692.51,"endTime":693.38,"body":"Okay...\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":693.44,"endTime":695.6,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":693.44,"endTime":695.6,"body":"I mean, I teach at UVM, I am at-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":695.63,"endTime":698.57,"body":"I am at ground zero for"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":695.63,"endTime":698.57,"body":"'spiritual, but not religious,'"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":698.9,"endTime":703.13,"body":"so, I am both well versed, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":698.9,"endTime":703.13,"body":"tired."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":703.75,"endTime":708.7,"body":"So tired, so very"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":703.75,"endTime":708.7,"body":"tired. Okay. Okay. So, why do we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":708.7,"endTime":712.18,"body":"think 'spiritual, but not"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":708.7,"endTime":712.18,"body":"religious' is a thing that we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":712.18,"endTime":716.86,"body":"can say and make sense in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":712.18,"endTime":716.86,"body":"world? For starters, I hear"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":716.86,"endTime":719.95,"body":"'spiritual, but not religious'"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":716.86,"endTime":719.95,"body":"as \"Alright, I have, maybe,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":719.95,"endTime":724.06,"body":"moral commitments. I have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":719.95,"endTime":724.06,"body":"thoughts about the way that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":724.09,"endTime":726.1,"body":"people should be to each other"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":724.09,"endTime":726.1,"body":"or how people should be in the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":726.1,"endTime":730.93,"body":"world. But I am not affiliated"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":726.1,"endTime":730.93,"body":"with a religious institution."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":731.35,"endTime":736.18,"body":"So, I think that the public"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":731.35,"endTime":736.18,"body":"square should be secular.\" (a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":736.18,"endTime":736.93,"body":"keyword alert)"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":737.02,"endTime":738.94,"body":"It's our secret word of"},{"speaker":"Detox","startTime":737.02,"endTime":738.94,"body":"the day!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":739.92,"endTime":742.74,"body":"So, when we talk"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":739.92,"endTime":742.74,"body":"about secularism, we often"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":742.74,"endTime":748.32,"body":"assume that we mean secular = no"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":742.74,"endTime":748.32,"body":"religion, not religion, the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":748.32,"endTime":752.88,"body":"absence of religion. 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And I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1871.33,"endTime":1875.53,"body":"think about this all the time"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1875.53,"endTime":1879.76,"body":"when I think about what it means"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1875.53,"endTime":1879.76,"body":"to pass, but not to have been"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1879.85,"endTime":1883.39,"body":"absorbed, right? So to pass as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1879.85,"endTime":1883.39,"body":"white and Christian as opposed"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1883.39,"endTime":1888.43,"body":"to be recognized fully, all the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1883.39,"endTime":1888.43,"body":"time, as white and Christian. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1888.43,"endTime":1891.16,"body":"I think about that when I think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1888.43,"endTime":1891.16,"body":"about the limits of thinking"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1891.16,"endTime":1894.34,"body":"about religion as voluntary, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1891.16,"endTime":1894.34,"body":"even when I think about what"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1894.34,"endTime":1897.49,"body":"Freud was trying to do, right,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1894.34,"endTime":1897.49,"body":"Freud's entire life work of like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1897.49,"endTime":1899.74,"body":"religion is bullshit. Religion"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1897.49,"endTime":1899.74,"body":"is bullshit. Religion is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1899.74,"endTime":1903.01,"body":"bullshit. Dude, that Christmas"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1899.74,"endTime":1903.01,"body":"tree did not protect you, you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1903.01,"endTime":1905.92,"body":"didn't have to be religious to"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1903.01,"endTime":1905.92,"body":"get- to get threatened. And if"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1905.92,"endTime":1908.5,"body":"you weren't Freud, you would"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1905.92,"endTime":1908.5,"body":"have died. And so that's like a-"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1908.53,"endTime":1911.71,"body":"that's like a big womp womp, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1908.53,"endTime":1911.71,"body":"I really, I think of that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1911.71,"endTime":1913.75,"body":"Christmas tree all the time,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1911.71,"endTime":1913.75,"body":"like the Christmas tree will not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1913.75,"endTime":1914.38,"body":"protect you."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1914.89,"endTime":1916.54,"body":"Oh my god, I'm so"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1914.89,"endTime":1916.54,"body":"damaged by that story."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1917.74,"endTime":1921.49,"body":"I'm so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1917.74,"endTime":1921.49,"body":"sorry. My primary sources are so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1921.55,"endTime":1922.36,"body":"dark."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1923.44,"endTime":1929.74,"body":"I just- hoo. I,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1923.44,"endTime":1929.74,"body":"hoo. Okay, like A) \"Sigmund"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1929.74,"endTime":1931.9,"body":"Freud's Christmas Tree\" should"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1929.74,"endTime":1931.9,"body":"be someone's band name, B)"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1931.9,"endTime":1933.31,"body":"It's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1931.9,"endTime":1933.31,"body":"mine now! Because I-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1933.31,"endTime":1933.55,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1933.57,"endTime":1934.98,"body":"I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1933.57,"endTime":1934.98,"body":"might've made the story up like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1934.98,"endTime":1939.21,"body":"I don't- I- I couldn't- I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1934.98,"endTime":1939.21,"body":"couldn't find the citation. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1939.21,"endTime":1942.0,"body":"like, that doesn't mean it's not"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1939.21,"endTime":1942.0,"body":"there, but I could not find it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1942.03,"endTime":1944.07,"body":"while we were prepping for this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1942.03,"endTime":1944.07,"body":"podcast."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1944.94,"endTime":1946.41,"body":"I choose to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1944.94,"endTime":1946.41,"body":"believe it's true, regardless,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1946.41,"endTime":1949.47,"body":"it is head canon now. I also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1946.41,"endTime":1949.47,"body":"love that the move to \"I'm an"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1949.5,"endTime":1953.37,"body":"atheist, I'm going to blend in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1949.5,"endTime":1953.37,"body":"and be secular. Let me get this"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1953.37,"endTime":1954.06,"body":"Jesus tree.\""},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1954.42,"endTime":1957.18,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1954.42,"endTime":1957.18,"body":"well, because how do you prove"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1957.21,"endTime":1961.23,"body":"that you're participating in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1957.21,"endTime":1961.23,"body":"cultural norms? Christmas. So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1961.23,"endTime":1963.96,"body":"your secularity isn't secular,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":1961.23,"endTime":1963.96,"body":"ba da ba ba da bom."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1963.96,"endTime":1967.62,"body":"Womp! Well, on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1963.96,"endTime":1967.62,"body":"that note."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1974.28,"endTime":1976.71,"body":"Cup of tea, dearies? It's STORY"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1974.28,"endTime":1976.71,"body":"TIME."},{"speaker":"Krusty the Klown","startTime":1977.16,"endTime":1979.59,"body":"Hey, kids,"},{"speaker":"Krusty the Klown","startTime":1977.16,"endTime":1979.59,"body":"it's story time."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1980.32,"endTime":1982.57,"body":"Today's storytime"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":1980.32,"endTime":1982.57,"body":"is taken from Ann Pellegrini and"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1982.57,"endTime":1985.78,"body":"Sexual Regulation and the Limits"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1985.78,"endTime":1988.54,"body":"of Religious Tolerance.\" This is"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1985.78,"endTime":1988.54,"body":"a book that looks at how judges"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1988.54,"endTime":1991.51,"body":"have decided Supreme Court cases"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1988.54,"endTime":1991.51,"body":"about sexuality, based on their"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1991.51,"endTime":1994.57,"body":"personal interpretations of"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1991.51,"endTime":1994.57,"body":"sexual morality. Their personal"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1994.57,"endTime":1997.0,"body":"interpretations of sexual"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1994.57,"endTime":1997.0,"body":"morality, by the way, are pretty"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1997.0,"endTime":2000.99,"body":"Christian, even if the judges"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":1997.0,"endTime":2000.99,"body":"themselves aren't, or they don't"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2001.05,"endTime":2004.47,"body":"acknowledge having a Christian"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2001.05,"endTime":2004.47,"body":"bias. So here's the quote. \"With"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2004.47,"endTime":2007.29,"body":"this recasting of specific"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2004.47,"endTime":2007.29,"body":"religious laws as generically"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2007.29,"endTime":2011.31,"body":"moral ones, the Court dispenses"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2007.29,"endTime":2011.31,"body":"religion in the place of justice"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2011.31,"endTime":2015.0,"body":"-- and this despite the Court's"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2011.31,"endTime":2015.0,"body":"responsibility to uphold the"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2015.0,"endTime":2018.3,"body":"principle of Church-state"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2015.0,"endTime":2018.3,"body":"separation. / This is not a"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2018.3,"endTime":2021.39,"body":"matter of hypocrisy or"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2018.3,"endTime":2021.39,"body":"duplicity. Even as it appeals to"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2021.39,"endTime":2024.99,"body":"religious doctrine, the Court"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2021.39,"endTime":2024.99,"body":"can truly believe that it is"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2024.99,"endTime":2027.75,"body":"acting in a secular"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2024.99,"endTime":2027.75,"body":"manner...even at its moment of"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2027.75,"endTime":2031.23,"body":"institution the secular is not"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2027.75,"endTime":2031.23,"body":"necessarily 'free' from the"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2031.23,"endTime":2033.51,"body":"religious\" (32-33). Okay,"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2031.23,"endTime":2033.51,"body":"there's a lot going on in this"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2033.51,"endTime":2036.18,"body":"passage. But what Pellegrini and"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2033.51,"endTime":2036.18,"body":"Jakobsen are saying here, is"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2036.18,"endTime":2039.39,"body":"that our assumptions about"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2036.18,"endTime":2039.39,"body":"secular institutions like"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2039.39,"endTime":2044.37,"body":"governments, courts, schools,"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2039.39,"endTime":2044.37,"body":"hospitals, maybe? All of these"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2044.4,"endTime":2047.28,"body":"assumptions about what"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2044.4,"endTime":2047.28,"body":"secularism should look like, or"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2047.28,"endTime":2051.21,"body":"what secular institutions should"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2047.28,"endTime":2051.21,"body":"do, come out of an explicitly"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2051.21,"endTime":2054.39,"body":"Christian worldview. This"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2051.21,"endTime":2054.39,"body":"manifests in a lot of different"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2054.39,"endTime":2057.18,"body":"ways. Quirky ones, like the fact"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2054.39,"endTime":2057.18,"body":"that we still vote on Tuesdays"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2057.18,"endTime":2060.93,"body":"because farmers who wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2057.18,"endTime":2060.93,"body":"work on Sundays because most"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2060.93,"endTime":2063.66,"body":"Christians observe the Sabbath"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2060.93,"endTime":2063.66,"body":"on Sunday, would need Monday to"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2063.66,"endTime":2066.84,"body":"travel to the polls, right? So"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2063.66,"endTime":2066.84,"body":"you you vote on Tuesday, because"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2066.84,"endTime":2069.18,"body":"Christianity, even though"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2066.84,"endTime":2069.18,"body":"separation of church and state,"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2069.36,"endTime":2072.69,"body":"it also manifests in some truly"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2069.36,"endTime":2072.69,"body":"terrifying ways. Like, as I"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2072.69,"endTime":2075.3,"body":"mentioned, people not being able"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2072.69,"endTime":2075.3,"body":"to access reproductive health"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2075.3,"endTime":2078.9,"body":"care or not having full bodily"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2075.3,"endTime":2078.9,"body":"autonomy, because we gloss"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2078.9,"endTime":2082.08,"body":"conservative Christian sexual"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2078.9,"endTime":2082.08,"body":"ethics as 'good old American"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2082.08,"endTime":2085.65,"body":"values.' 'Good old American"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2082.08,"endTime":2085.65,"body":"values' is a Jakobsen and"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2085.65,"endTime":2087.96,"body":"Pellegrini quote, also. P.S. if"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2085.65,"endTime":2087.96,"body":"this is something you're"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2087.96,"endTime":2090.57,"body":"interested in, I might have just"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2087.96,"endTime":2090.57,"body":"written a book about it. We'll"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2090.57,"endTime":2093.15,"body":"come back. Hey, Ilyse, what are"},{"speaker":"Janet Jakobsen's \"Love the Sin","startTime":2090.57,"endTime":2093.15,"body":"you hearing in this quote?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2093.0,"endTime":2094.44,"body":"So I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2093.0,"endTime":2094.44,"body":"know that Pellegrini and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2094.44,"endTime":2098.07,"body":"Jakobsen are go-to's for you,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2094.44,"endTime":2098.07,"body":"they're- they're less familiar"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2098.07,"endTime":2101.31,"body":"to me. though you recommend them"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2098.07,"endTime":2101.31,"body":"to me all the time. So I think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2101.34,"endTime":2105.54,"body":"what I hear them saying, is that"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2101.34,"endTime":2105.54,"body":"not only are secularisms"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2105.57,"endTime":2108.39,"body":"grounded in Christian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2105.57,"endTime":2108.39,"body":"worldviews, but that Christians,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2108.63,"endTime":2112.71,"body":"or those of us who are steeped"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2108.63,"endTime":2112.71,"body":"in Christian-spaces or Christian"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2112.98,"endTime":2117.03,"body":"etiological spaces, can't even"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2112.98,"endTime":2117.03,"body":"see the Christianity anymore."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2117.06,"endTime":2119.01,"body":"And so it for me, it like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2117.06,"endTime":2119.01,"body":"reminds me of that old gag,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2119.01,"endTime":2121.32,"body":"right? Like the fish doesn't"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2119.01,"endTime":2121.32,"body":"know that it's in water because"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2121.32,"endTime":2123.9,"body":"it's immersed so fully, so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2121.32,"endTime":2123.9,"body":"completely, it just- it just"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2123.9,"endTime":2128.28,"body":"literally doesn't know it's in"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2123.9,"endTime":2128.28,"body":"water. And so I think that's why"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2128.43,"endTime":2132.45,"body":"we think the calendar is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2128.43,"endTime":2132.45,"body":"secular, which y'all nerds know"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2132.45,"endTime":2136.74,"body":"I am intent on making you never"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2132.45,"endTime":2136.74,"body":"forget that it isn't. I think"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2136.74,"endTime":2139.8,"body":"that's why we think the week is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2136.74,"endTime":2139.8,"body":"somehow neutral, that Saturday"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2139.8,"endTime":2143.46,"body":"and Sunday should be off. And"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2139.8,"endTime":2143.46,"body":"that's like a natural end to the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2143.46,"endTime":2147.48,"body":"week even though that's"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2143.46,"endTime":2147.48,"body":"biblical, and why I have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2147.48,"endTime":2151.32,"body":"supposed colleagues on campus"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2147.48,"endTime":2151.32,"body":"who say and who teach, absurdly"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2151.32,"endTime":2155.52,"body":"racist things like Islam is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2151.32,"endTime":2155.52,"body":"incompatible with democracy, as"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2155.52,"endTime":2158.31,"body":"if the US wasn't founded on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2155.52,"endTime":2158.31,"body":"white Christian supremacy, and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2158.31,"endTime":2163.53,"body":"as if that doctrinal orientation"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2158.31,"endTime":2163.53,"body":"were democratic. So I think this"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2163.53,"endTime":2167.46,"body":"question of being stuck inside"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2163.53,"endTime":2167.46,"body":"religion is what- is what I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2167.46,"endTime":2170.01,"body":"taking out of this Pellegrini"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2167.46,"endTime":2170.01,"body":"and Jakobsen quote."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2170.27,"endTime":2174.2,"body":"YES! Sorry, but I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2170.27,"endTime":2174.2,"body":"was excited. Yes, that is- that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2174.2,"endTime":2177.38,"body":"is correct. Which brings us to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2174.2,"endTime":2177.38,"body":"the thesis I think. Voluntary"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2177.38,"endTime":2180.83,"body":"religion, feeling like you have"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2177.38,"endTime":2180.83,"body":"a right, as an individual, to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2180.83,"endTime":2184.46,"body":"choose to be religious or not,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2180.83,"endTime":2184.46,"body":"is real. But it's also rooted in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2184.46,"endTime":2188.21,"body":"whiteness, Christianity, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2184.46,"endTime":2188.21,"body":"access. Someone else's religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2188.21,"endTime":2191.03,"body":"might impact your ability to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2188.21,"endTime":2191.03,"body":"make choices like in our"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2191.03,"endTime":2194.36,"body":"Catholic hospitals example, your"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2191.03,"endTime":2194.36,"body":"name and how it's seen or read"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2194.36,"endTime":2196.97,"body":"might impact your ability or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2194.36,"endTime":2196.97,"body":"your community's ability to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2196.97,"endTime":2201.23,"body":"choose to be an atheist, or to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2196.97,"endTime":2201.23,"body":"have your atheism count, say,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2201.26,"endTime":2206.3,"body":"when crossing a border, or"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2201.26,"endTime":2206.3,"body":"facing a genocidal regime. 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Religion is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2209.03,"endTime":2212.33,"body":"everywhere, in our personal"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2212.33,"endTime":2215.63,"body":"lives and our legal systems, and"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2212.33,"endTime":2215.63,"body":"our ways of structuring ideas"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2215.66,"endTime":2218.57,"body":"and even in how we talk about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2215.66,"endTime":2218.57,"body":"being or not being religion."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2218.87,"endTime":2223.79,"body":"Religion is not done with you."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2218.87,"endTime":2223.79,"body":"And neither are we, maniacal"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2223.79,"endTime":2225.17,"body":"laugh, maniacal laugh!"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2230.13,"endTime":2232.29,"body":"Alright,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2230.13,"endTime":2232.29,"body":"nerds. Next time. We have been"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2232.29,"endTime":2235.35,"body":"working y'all really hard with"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2232.29,"endTime":2235.35,"body":"definitions and examples and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2235.35,"endTime":2239.1,"body":"keywords and theses and homework"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2235.35,"endTime":2239.1,"body":"lists that seems to be growing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2239.1,"endTime":2243.48,"body":"by the episode. Do you feel like"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2239.1,"endTime":2243.48,"body":"you're behind and need to make"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2243.48,"endTime":2247.56,"body":"up some imaginary points in our"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2243.48,"endTime":2247.56,"body":"imaginary course? Well, good"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2247.56,"endTime":2250.98,"body":"news, nerds. We've got an extra"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2247.56,"endTime":2250.98,"body":"credit opportunity. We have a"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2250.98,"endTime":2254.16,"body":"guest, Professor Omid Safi,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2250.98,"endTime":2254.16,"body":"joining us on the pod to talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2254.16,"endTime":2257.16,"body":"religion, social justice, being"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2254.16,"endTime":2257.16,"body":"a scholar, being an activist,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2257.19,"endTime":2260.25,"body":"and just being in the world."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2257.19,"endTime":2260.25,"body":"He's going to say love a lot,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2260.28,"endTime":2262.2,"body":"because he loves love."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2262.26,"endTime":2265.02,"body":"He does love"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2262.26,"endTime":2265.02,"body":"love. He also loves us. 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Tune in"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2277.44,"endTime":2281.79,"body":"next time for extra credit. But"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2281.82,"endTime":2284.91,"body":"don't pick up your stuff yet,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2281.82,"endTime":2284.91,"body":"nerds. You've got homework!"},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":2284.94,"endTime":2286.59,"body":"Homework, what"},{"speaker":"Simpsons","startTime":2284.94,"endTime":2286.59,"body":"homework?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2286.74,"endTime":2288.18,"body":"Don't forget,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2286.74,"endTime":2288.18,"body":"that all of this and more will"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2288.18,"endTime":2291.9,"body":"be in the show notes. And for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2288.18,"endTime":2291.9,"body":"today's homework, class, there's"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2291.9,"endTime":2294.48,"body":"lots of great books about"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2291.9,"endTime":2294.48,"body":"thinking through how religion is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2294.63,"endTime":2299.43,"body":"everywhere, that makes religion"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2294.63,"endTime":2299.43,"body":"hard to escape. Ilyse, what do"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2299.43,"endTime":2299.67,"body":"you got?"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2299.69,"endTime":2301.49,"body":"So I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2299.69,"endTime":2301.49,"body":"kind of want to assign a bunch"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2301.49,"endTime":2303.05,"body":"of stuff about the Orientalism,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2301.49,"endTime":2303.05,"body":"appropriation, and involuntary"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2303.08,"endTime":2309.5,"body":"religion pieces here. So I'm"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2303.08,"endTime":2309.5,"body":"going to recommend a couple of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2309.5,"endTime":2313.43,"body":"heavy books and then some fun"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2309.5,"endTime":2313.43,"body":"accessible pieces. And I will"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2313.43,"endTime":2316.28,"body":"link up a few things I've"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2313.43,"endTime":2316.28,"body":"written myself. 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I want to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2400.85,"endTime":2403.79,"body":"know all of that. I also can't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2403.79,"endTime":2406.7,"body":"help but notice that the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2403.79,"endTime":2406.7,"body":"Islamophobia is Racism Syllabus"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2406.7,"endTime":2410.63,"body":"seems to have been largely"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2406.7,"endTime":2410.63,"body":"compiled by women professors. 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In terms of how"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2484.21,"endTime":2486.55,"body":"religious volunteerism is"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2484.21,"endTime":2486.55,"body":"complicated by factors like"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2486.55,"endTime":2490.39,"body":"race, I would like for you to"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2486.55,"endTime":2490.39,"body":"look at Nyasha Juniors work,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2490.63,"endTime":2492.97,"body":"including her BuzzFeed piece"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2490.63,"endTime":2492.97,"body":"\"Black Church Taught Me How To"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2492.97,"endTime":2496.63,"body":"Be Black.\" When we're thinking"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2492.97,"endTime":2496.63,"body":"about how religious volunteerism"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2496.63,"endTime":2499.69,"body":"gets complicated by class, I"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2496.63,"endTime":2499.69,"body":"really like Mary McClintock"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2499.69,"endTime":2501.67,"body":"Fulkersons \"Changing the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2499.69,"endTime":2501.67,"body":"Subject,\" which is on"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2501.67,"endTime":2504.28,"body":"conservative Christian white"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2501.67,"endTime":2504.28,"body":"women in Appalachia. We also"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2504.28,"endTime":2507.13,"body":"talk some smack about the"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2504.28,"endTime":2507.13,"body":"'spiritual, but not religious'"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2507.13,"endTime":2512.32,"body":"crowd. But I do really like Kaya"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2507.13,"endTime":2512.32,"body":"Oakes, the nones- \"The Nones Are"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2512.32,"endTime":2515.59,"body":"Alright.\" I think even as we're"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2512.32,"endTime":2515.59,"body":"complicating this 'spiritual,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2515.71,"endTime":2518.14,"body":"but not religious'"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2515.71,"endTime":2518.14,"body":"identification. It's really"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2518.14,"endTime":2521.29,"body":"important to take folks self"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2518.14,"endTime":2521.29,"body":"description seriously. Even"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2521.29,"endTime":2523.24,"body":"while we're insisting that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2521.29,"endTime":2523.24,"body":"religion matters for"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2523.24,"endTime":2524.2,"body":"nonreligious folks."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2524.57,"endTime":2526.37,"body":"We say"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2524.57,"endTime":2526.37,"body":"this every week, nerds, but"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2526.37,"endTime":2529.4,"body":"ratings matter. Please rate and"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2526.37,"endTime":2529.4,"body":"review the podcast on iTunes or"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2529.4,"endTime":2534.41,"body":"wherever you listen. You can"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2529.4,"endTime":2534.41,"body":"find Megan on twitter @mpgPhD"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2534.47,"endTime":2539.6,"body":"and me, I'm Ilyse, @profirmf ."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2534.47,"endTime":2539.6,"body":"You can find the show"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2539.75,"endTime":2543.83,"body":"@keepingit_101 , and find us on"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2539.75,"endTime":2543.83,"body":"our website at keepingit101.com"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2543.86,"endTime":2547.4,"body":". That's where we hide the show"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2543.86,"endTime":2547.4,"body":"notes and all other sorts of"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2547.4,"endTime":2550.4,"body":"goodies. Till next time, peace"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2547.4,"endTime":2550.4,"body":"out, nerds."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2550.46,"endTime":2552.44,"body":"Do your homework!"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2550.46,"endTime":2552.44,"body":"It's on the syllabus."},{"speaker":"Sela","startTime":2574.41,"endTime":2577.17,"body":"[Rocks out]"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2577.17,"endTime":2578.01,"body":"What"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2577.17,"endTime":2578.01,"body":"song is that?"},{"speaker":"Sela","startTime":2580.44,"endTime":2584.07,"body":"The theme song for Keeping"},{"speaker":"Sela","startTime":2580.44,"endTime":2584.07,"body":"It 101."}]}