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And so yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":448.35,"endTime":452.73,"body":"really appreciate being in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":452.73,"endTime":455.7,"body":"relationship with the two of you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":452.73,"endTime":455.7,"body":"and what you- you've been doing"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":455.73,"endTime":457.62,"body":"through this podcast and all the"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":455.73,"endTime":457.62,"body":"other work that you do."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":457.66,"endTime":459.25,"body":"Aw, go team."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":465.54,"endTime":467.37,"body":"So"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":465.54,"endTime":467.37,"body":"this season, because we're doing"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":467.37,"endTime":470.64,"body":"all these interviews, we've got"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":467.37,"endTime":470.64,"body":"a new segment called GETTING TO"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":470.64,"endTime":471.42,"body":"KNOW YOU."},{"speaker":"The King and I","startTime":472.56,"endTime":478.26,"body":"Getting to know"},{"speaker":"The King and I","startTime":472.56,"endTime":478.26,"body":"you, getting to know all about"},{"speaker":"The King and I","startTime":478.26,"endTime":479.31,"body":"you."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":480.62,"endTime":482.0,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":480.62,"endTime":482.0,"body":"is the section where we talk"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":482.0,"endTime":485.06,"body":"with our guests about why they"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":482.0,"endTime":485.06,"body":"do the work they do and how it"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":485.06,"endTime":488.84,"body":"relates to them as people. 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Partially"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":520.1,"endTime":525.2,"body":"because their buddy Simran is"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":520.1,"endTime":525.2,"body":"the author, and partially"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":525.2,"endTime":528.65,"body":"because they just- they know I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":525.2,"endTime":528.65,"body":"quite like reading it so"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":528.65,"endTime":531.41,"body":"they're- they know that I will"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":528.65,"endTime":531.41,"body":"say yes to like the fourth"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":531.41,"endTime":536.21,"body":"reread, whereas other books I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":531.41,"endTime":536.21,"body":"will NOT say yes. 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I say having read"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":578.96,"endTime":580.13,"body":"it, and then completely"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":578.96,"endTime":580.13,"body":"forgotten."},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":580.34,"endTime":581.57,"body":"Yeah, he"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":580.34,"endTime":581.57,"body":"started- he started running in"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":581.57,"endTime":585.23,"body":"his 80s and he ran until the age"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":581.57,"endTime":585.23,"body":"of 104. So yeah, just an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":585.23,"endTime":588.65,"body":"incredible human being. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":585.23,"endTime":588.65,"body":"I appreciate that. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":588.0,"endTime":592.53,"body":"But, you like-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":588.0,"endTime":592.53,"body":"you have a PhD in religion from,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":592.53,"endTime":595.02,"body":"like, Columbia and you're fancy"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":592.53,"endTime":595.02,"body":"so like, what the hell you doing"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":595.02,"endTime":597.15,"body":"writing children's books, man,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":595.02,"endTime":597.15,"body":"like, why does this matter?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":597.66,"endTime":600.9,"body":"It is- I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":597.66,"endTime":600.9,"body":"mean, it's so- I appreciate you"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":600.9,"endTime":603.3,"body":"saying it like that, because"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":600.9,"endTime":603.3,"body":"it's- that's the same question I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":603.3,"endTime":607.47,"body":"get from a lot of scholars in a"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":603.3,"endTime":607.47,"body":"more coded way..."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":608.52,"endTime":610.41,"body":"Less obnoxious-"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":608.52,"endTime":610.41,"body":"but you're welcome."},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":610.48,"endTime":612.37,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":610.48,"endTime":612.37,"body":"exactly. And I think the point"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":612.37,"endTime":617.35,"body":"is, I get zero street cred among"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":612.37,"endTime":617.35,"body":"scholars for doing this, right?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":617.35,"endTime":621.58,"body":"And that's fine. I don't have an"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":617.35,"endTime":621.58,"body":"academic book out yet. But I"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":621.58,"endTime":627.22,"body":"think to me, it's- there's a few"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":621.58,"endTime":627.22,"body":"things going on here. 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Following Judith"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2336.01,"endTime":2339.91,"body":"Weisenfeld in Season Two, we"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2339.91,"endTime":2343.42,"body":"thought we'd ask our guests what"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2339.91,"endTime":2343.42,"body":"they've written or made, that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2343.42,"endTime":2345.97,"body":"they're most proud of. So hit"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2343.42,"endTime":2345.97,"body":"us, what- what are you proud of?"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2346.0,"endTime":2348.28,"body":"What work have you done that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2346.0,"endTime":2348.28,"body":"you're most proud of?"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2349.65,"endTime":2352.89,"body":"Oh, thank"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2349.65,"endTime":2352.89,"body":"you for asking that. 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It's the sort of"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2658.65,"endTime":2662.61,"body":"thing that like, I saw land with"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2662.61,"endTime":2665.46,"body":"people I went to high school"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2662.61,"endTime":2665.46,"body":"with, in a way that nothing that"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2665.46,"endTime":2669.12,"body":"I have tried to do on this issue"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2665.46,"endTime":2669.12,"body":"did. They're like, \"oh, no,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2669.12,"endTime":2673.5,"body":"okay. This makes sense. I get"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2669.12,"endTime":2673.5,"body":"this. Okay.\" So yeah, good job."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2673.5,"endTime":2674.22,"body":"We're proud of you too."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2674.67,"endTime":2677.49,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2674.67,"endTime":2677.49,"body":"And nerds, we will link to all"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2677.49,"endTime":2682.65,"body":"of those things and more in the"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2677.49,"endTime":2682.65,"body":"show notes. But with that, I"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2682.65,"endTime":2684.3,"body":"think we're done."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2684.33,"endTime":2684.84,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2686.25,"endTime":2686.97,"body":"Woohoo."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2687.18,"endTime":2688.5,"body":"Peace"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2687.18,"endTime":2688.5,"body":"out, nerds."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2688.74,"endTime":2690.54,"body":"Do your homework,"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2688.74,"endTime":2690.54,"body":"it's on the syllabus."},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2691.33,"endTime":2692.44,"body":"Grab onto"},{"speaker":"Dr. Simran Jeet Singh","startTime":2691.33,"endTime":2692.44,"body":"your butts."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2714.41,"endTime":2716.3,"body":"That"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2714.41,"endTime":2716.3,"body":"feels so dirty that we made you"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2716.3,"endTime":2716.66,"body":"do that."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2716.66,"endTime":2720.38,"body":"I don't- I don't"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2716.66,"endTime":2720.38,"body":"think we made him do that."},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2720.38,"endTime":2722.48,"body":"No we"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2720.38,"endTime":2722.48,"body":"didn't but somehow that seems,"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2722.48,"endTime":2724.49,"body":"like, wrong... like we have"},{"speaker":"Ilyse Morgenstein Fuerst","startTime":2722.48,"endTime":2724.49,"body":"corrupted you."},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2725.69,"endTime":2726.86,"body":"Yeah, we're a"},{"speaker":"Megan Goodwin","startTime":2725.69,"endTime":2726.86,"body":"problem."}]}